Though being a big fan of DJay Pro Ai, I have to hand it to Serato, their stems sound cleaner and more refined when played as instrumental or a capella
To be honest it would be sort of embarrassing if the quality would be worse, seeing they are over two years late to the party. On top of that I fully expect the other guys to up their game too.
I will take Djay Pro Al over Serato anyday of the week, yes Serato fade and cappella is cleaner but that is it.. I can mix much faster and do more with DJ.. DJ is award winning software..
Ok I guess it was worth the wait. Serato clearly sounds better to my ears. If this is beta I'm wondering if the official release will sound even better. It's a great time to be a DJ. Thanks again Mojaxx.
I love that Serato finally has an offering. I am a fan of Algorriddim, I’ve just always felt that there’s a little more tuning that can be done with their isolation. You can tell something is missing. Serato sounds like the instrumentals are great, I would personally maybe filter the vocals a little to see if they sound more isolated. But overall they sound like the clear cut winner as of right now.
Okay Serato DJ, you came back strong with this addition. Now let’s see what your answer to DVS vinyl compared to Algoriddim dejay Pro’s version. I can’t wait because I know it’s coming. 💪🏾👍🏾
Considering that PioneerDJ makes almost all of the main equipment for Serato, I cannot believe that this caught PDJ by surprise like when Algoriddim and VDJ first announced this in their software. That said, I am sure they are letting Serato rock first and RKB 6.x will have this as well. I cannot see Pioneer letting RKB be excluded in this.
My humble opinion is that it’ s nice for use @ home but not good enough yet for use at a club or festival, therefore it needs alot more of improval but let’s give it some time, we’ll see!😊
Not even close, Serato for the win. Other two are too close to call for me. Pioneer are just plain lazy at development, too slow to adapt things such as upgraded operating systems, things like macOS are in beta for ages before public release. Pioneer are two thousand and late in both Hardware and Software.
OMG! I use primarily Serato but I do have DJay Pro on my iPad and I do play with it as works on my Rane72 (but not on my Rev 7 yet) so I'm familiar with stems on DJay Pro, but these Serato stems sound cleaner. When I'm using DJ Pro, there seems to be more distortion. This is only a few samples, so actual differences may not be that much different when I start using the Serato stems feature... but so far, I'm pretty excited. I was wondering why it was taking Serato so long to have stem separation, but I guess they just spent more time to have a better product. I can totally respect that decision to resist coming out with a sub-par product early just to say they have that feature. Thank you Serato!!! And thank you DJcity for posting this!
Serato is in a different class! It was definitely worth the wait! The other two are brutalizing the music! I have tried them all and Serato 2.6.1 without stems is still a better DJ software. Clean, straight forward, incredible sound and my mint DDJ SX2 is mapped superbly!
I'm a user of DJay Pro and I have to say Serato sounds the best in my opinion. I am using the new 2021 Mac Book Pro with M1 chip and 32GB memory, after playing about 30 tracks with the stems setting to analyse on load a message appeared stating that Serato have used all 30+ GB of memory and needs be to force close.
Serato for the win for my ears. It doesnt have that "under-water" sound when you isolate the track. Im glad they took their time and got this 'almost' perfect instead of keeping up with the JONES" and releasing it with the others. It was DEFINITELY worth the wait...... but DAMN IT.....HURRY UP WITH THE OFFICIAL RELEASE 😁😁😁
I would have wish the following feature were used for VDJ stems comparison that Serato or DJAY does not offer. Below are 2 features that destroy all the others. PRECOMPUTE: This feature is on the VDJ SW but yet is never highlighted by Serato riders. The precompute is stem AI feature, apart from file analyzation, it is own AI/ feature that creates a separate stem file for the track. Yes it take up more HD space, yet its making the steam feature WAY better than of its competitors; in addition, making it sound BETTER with "setting the bleed to defaults". Try it. STEM with EQ: The ability to have the option in a 4 channel mixer to separate STEM on the mixer, YES, this is something as DJ's we like, options. OPTIONS, is what make the creative process best. VDJ understand this and gave that to its customer. Why wasn't this highlight? Again, if we are going to compare the STEM feature, then show all the capabilities not just pull up track and let see what is sound like on each software. I left serato years ago to VDJ once the STEM feature was introduce. VDJ has been leading the market in this technology and has more feature with STEM's at the moment, yet no one wishes to highlight. Sadly no videos on the web have highlighted these points or features. How come? What is this channel take on this?
Serato is the clear winner in this video by using the preset settings by Serato. However, the fully adjustable settings in VDJ give far more flexibility and the same clarity as, or maybe better, Serato. This is a beta and will get better but it has a lot of catching up to do. Videos like these are always biased towards the preferences of the publisher.
until Serato finally got around to doing stems it was Algoriddim thats was best as far as dj software was concerned.VDj was good was a tad more wooshy .As always it does rather depend on the track and how good your computer is as this can be heavy on the cpu.At a pinch i would say that right now Serato are just a little bit better and they are just introducing their version.This will continue to develop I will happily give up a pad mode for this as i mainly use cues and the sampler and the rest im not that bothered about so what ever one i use least on my Rane will be the one that becomes the stem mode.When this first came about it was not very good but each update has got a little better.After a bit of a false start with Traktor that required the co operation of record companies for it to work at the time and it was such a radical idea that it needed time to develop and for the tech to catch up to turn a good idea into something more immediate and intuitive.For it to really explode it will need to go on developing as computer tech improves.
The traktor thing wasn't this. It was making 4 or so stems available in their proprietary format. This is splitting the audio file using filtering and AI. NI's idea was needlessly complicated and clunky the flac format would have supported the idea, but they thought they could corner the market. They were wrong. Greed got in the way of what could have been a good idea. Badass dj's were ready for something like that but not with them controlling the format, price and what got split into each stem.
@@matthewjswider lol. Thanks bro. I have my wishlist which is long and might not be for everyone, but what about simple UI stuff like selecting and moving more than one crate? 🙂
@@djBrainDeaD ok, you just blew my mind. I have realized some minimal features like that are quite lacking. What about searching a track and then showing me which crates that track is in? Jesus. You’re making me hate serato again. Lol
@@matthewjswider Yep that's another one on my wishlist. I really love Serato and still use it for most sets, but when it comes to feature prioritization... I guess they prefer focusing on features that engage new costumers and\or make Djs switch from other platforms. I will wait patiently...
i'm a big fan of VirtualDJ but i have to admit that the live stems implementations have become better by release date. djay came after VDJ and is better than VDJ, and serato came a lot later and is better than both. i really hope VDJ and djay can improve their algorithms to keep up with the new competition on this feature!
ok ok lets be clear.. to get the BEST audio quality from serato stems feature, solely depends on the quality kbs bites of music you try to extract, "Meaning" if your files are not meeting the standerd kbs, the quality that's stem out will sound horrible!
Its even quicker if you go to the settings and click to replace sampler or loop roll pads. They will be doing this to the other sections depending on mixer, for example like the Slicer Section.
Separated parts in all 3 platforms sounds like 96kbps which is perfect for shitty audience with smartfons in hand who only needs louder and harder drops every 30 sec :D
All of these algorithms sound like crap compared to RipX (paid) and Demucs (free open source). So if you want the cleanest separation I would use either of these 2 software. RipX allows a lot more granular control to mess with the notes. While Demucs is still being improved upon and free.
@@Mojaxx Realtime separation is cool, but the sound quality is what matters the most to me. And in that regard, I won't be using it in my Serato Pro setup. The algorithm needs to improve in order to match the algorithm of Demucs and RipX. As computing power increases, non real time algorithms will eventually be real time using GPU and/or AI processing unit. In this regard, Demucs (open source, free, co-developed by Facebook) could very well be the real time algorithm of choice.
Though being a big fan of DJay Pro Ai, I have to hand it to Serato, their stems sound cleaner and more refined when played as instrumental or a capella
To be honest it would be sort of embarrassing if the quality would be worse, seeing they are over two years late to the party. On top of that I fully expect the other guys to up their game too.
acapella yes Serato is cleaner but the instrumentals on djay is hitting wayyyyy harder
I will take Djay Pro Al over Serato anyday of the week, yes Serato fade and cappella is cleaner but that is it.. I can mix much faster and do more with DJ.. DJ is award winning software..
Serato really sounds a Generation ahead of Algoriddim and VDJ. Damn its not even close at all.
Hehe, nice to see you are using two song from artists from Nuernberg, Germany. My guys Polique and Richastic! 🙌
They're part of our DJcity/Beatsource family! Great tracks.
Serato is the clear winner to my ears at this point. Can't wait for new controllers to have independent pads especially for stems! ;)
Ok I guess it was worth the wait. Serato clearly sounds better to my ears. If this is beta I'm wondering if the official release will sound even better. It's a great time to be a DJ. Thanks again Mojaxx.
the release will not sound better just less buggy
At last, cannot say that I am disappointed Serato. Boom!
Thanks for bringing that DJ City.
I think Serato went in with the intention, "If you can't be first be the best".
Great feature glad it's finally made it to serato. Can't wait to see how creative guys are gonna get with this.
I love that Serato finally has an offering. I am a fan of Algorriddim, I’ve just always felt that there’s a little more tuning that can be done with their isolation. You can tell something is missing. Serato sounds like the instrumentals are great, I would personally maybe filter the vocals a little to see if they sound more isolated. But overall they sound like the clear cut winner as of right now.
Wow, this is an amazing addition to DJing.
Okay Serato DJ, you came back strong with this addition. Now let’s see what your answer to DVS vinyl compared to Algoriddim dejay Pro’s version. I can’t wait because I know it’s coming. 💪🏾👍🏾
The stems separation in Djay Pro AI is really good, but this is a bit cleaner still. Really impressive.
serato is the best in separation..omg this is amazing....
Thanks for the break down and compare and contrast! 🙏
Hello Rekordbox are you there, Hello.
Considering that PioneerDJ makes almost all of the main equipment for Serato, I cannot believe that this caught PDJ by surprise like when Algoriddim and VDJ first announced this in their software. That said, I am sure they are letting Serato rock first and RKB 6.x will have this as well. I cannot see Pioneer letting RKB be excluded in this.
@@DJMikeMarquez I really hope so, can't wait till Rekordbox gets this feature.
My humble opinion is that it’ s nice for use @ home but not good enough yet for use at a club or festival, therefore it needs alot more of improval but let’s give it some time, we’ll see!😊
Knowing Pioneer they will add Stems as an even more expensive top Tier Subscription. $200 Per Month Stems Tier.
Not even close, Serato for the win. Other two are too close to call for me. Pioneer are just plain lazy at development, too slow to adapt things such as upgraded operating systems, things like macOS are in beta for ages before public release. Pioneer are two thousand and late in both Hardware and Software.
Might have to come back from virtual DJ for this.
Damn the difference is day and night
Serato no doubt !!! Is the way to go.
Chop City Live Mixing !!!
👍👍👍👍👍
OMG! I use primarily Serato but I do have DJay Pro on my iPad and I do play with it as works on my Rane72 (but not on my Rev 7 yet) so I'm familiar with stems on DJay Pro, but these Serato stems sound cleaner. When I'm using DJ Pro, there seems to be more distortion. This is only a few samples, so actual differences may not be that much different when I start using the Serato stems feature... but so far, I'm pretty excited. I was wondering why it was taking Serato so long to have stem separation, but I guess they just spent more time to have a better product. I can totally respect that decision to resist coming out with a sub-par product early just to say they have that feature. Thank you Serato!!! And thank you DJcity for posting this!
Serato is in a different class! It was definitely worth the wait! The other two are brutalizing the music! I have tried them all and Serato 2.6.1 without stems is still a better DJ software. Clean, straight forward, incredible sound and my mint DDJ SX2 is mapped superbly!
I'm a user of DJay Pro and I have to say Serato sounds the best in my opinion. I am using the new 2021 Mac Book Pro with M1 chip and 32GB memory, after playing about 30 tracks with the stems setting to analyse on load a message appeared stating that Serato have used all 30+ GB of memory and needs be to force close.
Fixed in Serato 3 beta 2 (Memory problem)
Serato for the win for my ears. It doesnt have that "under-water" sound when you isolate the track. Im glad they took their time and got this 'almost' perfect instead of keeping up with the JONES" and releasing it with the others. It was DEFINITELY worth the wait...... but DAMN IT.....HURRY UP WITH THE OFFICIAL RELEASE 😁😁😁
Time to stop my subscription from Algoriddim DJ ... Now can we get Serato to run on iOS iPad please?
Exactly!!! needs iOS!!!
Definitely cancel if Serato comes to IOS.
@@grandstan9448 yup!
Much needed for tablets in general things tablets & phones are becoming the new laptops !
Especially when it comes to Samsung devices
+1!! I know it is possible to happen! We will wait for this!!
Serato for the win! 🎉
I would have wish the following feature were used for VDJ stems comparison that Serato or DJAY does not offer. Below are 2 features that destroy all the others.
PRECOMPUTE:
This feature is on the VDJ SW but yet is never highlighted by Serato riders. The precompute is stem AI feature, apart from file analyzation, it is own AI/ feature that creates a separate stem file for the track. Yes it take up more HD space, yet its making the steam feature WAY better than of its competitors; in addition, making it sound BETTER with "setting the bleed to defaults". Try it.
STEM with EQ:
The ability to have the option in a 4 channel mixer to separate STEM on the mixer, YES, this is something as DJ's we like, options. OPTIONS, is what make the creative process best. VDJ understand this and gave that to its customer.
Why wasn't this highlight? Again, if we are going to compare the STEM feature, then show all the capabilities not just pull up track and let see what is sound like on each software.
I left serato years ago to VDJ once the STEM feature was introduce. VDJ has been leading the market in this technology and has more feature with STEM's at the moment, yet no one wishes to highlight. Sadly no videos on the web have highlighted these points or features. How come? What is this channel take on this?
Serato is the clear winner in this video by using the preset settings by Serato. However, the fully adjustable settings in VDJ give far more flexibility and the same clarity as, or maybe better, Serato. This is a beta and will get better but it has a lot of catching up to do. Videos like these are always biased towards the preferences of the publisher.
until Serato finally got around to doing stems it was Algoriddim thats was best as far as dj software was concerned.VDj was good was a tad more wooshy .As always it does rather depend on the track and how good your computer is as this can be heavy on the cpu.At a pinch i would say that right now Serato are just a little bit better and they are just introducing their version.This will continue to develop I will happily give up a pad mode for this as i mainly use cues and the sampler and the rest im not that bothered about so what ever one i use least on my Rane will be the one that becomes the stem mode.When this first came about it was not very good but each update has got a little better.After a bit of a false start with Traktor that required the co operation of record companies for it to work at the time and it was such a radical idea that it needed time to develop and for the tech to catch up to turn a good idea into something more immediate and intuitive.For it to really explode it will need to go on developing as computer tech improves.
The traktor thing wasn't this. It was making 4 or so stems available in their proprietary format. This is splitting the audio file using filtering and AI. NI's idea was needlessly complicated and clunky the flac format would have supported the idea, but they thought they could corner the market. They were wrong. Greed got in the way of what could have been a good idea. Badass dj's were ready for something like that but not with them controlling the format, price and what got split into each stem.
Useful😎💪🏻 But i must say - Some important key features are still missing and are far more important than this one.
I’m seriously curious what other features you’re waiting for. Love your shit and follow you on insta mainly to bite your shit. ;)
@@matthewjswider lol. Thanks bro. I have my wishlist which is long and might not be for everyone, but what about simple UI stuff like selecting and moving more than one crate? 🙂
@@djBrainDeaD ok, you just blew my mind. I have realized some minimal features like that are quite lacking. What about searching a track and then showing me which crates that track is in? Jesus. You’re making me hate serato again. Lol
@@matthewjswider Yep that's another one on my wishlist. I really love Serato and still use it for most sets, but when it comes to feature prioritization... I guess they prefer focusing on features that engage new costumers and\or make Djs switch from other platforms. I will wait patiently...
@@djBrainDeaD yeah, eventually someone will quit from rekordbox and serato will scoop them up. At least, I fucking hope so.
Serato ♥️🔥🔥
VDJ has just literaly released stems 2.0 13/11/22
Thanks for the video
Could definitely hear a big difference. Serato seems to smack the competition around.. that coming from a VDJ user lol.
Still Pissed about the SL Boxes. But I Hope I can use this on my SL 3 BOX. NICE WORK MO
i think u can't use this with SL3 simply because SL3 is supported only to 2.5.5 version of Serato :)
hmmm Serato DJ Pro 3.3.0c Sounds the best in my Opinion
i'm a big fan of VirtualDJ but i have to admit that the live stems implementations have become better by release date.
djay came after VDJ and is better than VDJ, and serato came a lot later and is better than both.
i really hope VDJ and djay can improve their algorithms to keep up with the new competition on this feature!
Yea, hands donwn Serato.
When’s traktor coming to the game!? Interesting they were first for stem pad implementation and used to be pioneers
RIP X.
Is there a noticeable difference between the quality of live stem separation from lossless formats compared to MP3?
Serato 💪
I hate to say this because I hate it, but, serato is a clear winner!
PS: I hate it because you can't use it with any hardware, that's all!
why no Traktor with it's f1 controller and stems , in this shoot out
ok ok lets be clear.. to get the BEST audio quality from serato stems feature, solely depends on the quality kbs bites of music you try to extract, "Meaning" if your files are not meeting the standerd kbs, the quality that's stem out will sound horrible!
Serato beats them up… hands up…
I was first introduced to steams by native instruments. It is just sad that traktor is just so out of the picture now…..
SERATO
Ok, Serato win this…. at least in the pad mode. Personally I don’t know yet which is my favorite software. It really depends on your mixing style
Thx for the vid, for me serato sounds more natural 👌 Is Midi Mapping for this feature possible?
Yes, you can map the controls to whatever you like.
@@Mojaxx thx for the answer 😎🙏👐
Its even quicker if you go to the settings and click to replace sampler or loop roll pads. They will be doing this to the other sections depending on mixer, for example like the Slicer Section.
@@RapMaRzRemixes whoa, that sounds awesome 🥳🤟 thx for the answer 🙏👊
Hi Mojaxx., do you know Mix Master G
Don’t forget about Traktor’s Steam deck format 👀
No, we are all waiting what NI will deliver in the next month 🙂
Serato takes it i think
They ask a simple question!Which one you think is better?Me I think serato is.
Wow, this is almost as good as the RipX Deep Remix software...
Serato dj isolation is better. Its more clean than others
Yep, Clearly which one is the quality winner here but, QUALITY does NOT come with SPEED.
Serato sounds great, now all I need is Serato to apply all that to iOS.
Serato hands down wins VJ comes in Second Djay pro is horrible with a big time last
where test scratch? who like real vinyl sounds
to me serato sounds best here but has a slight Lag, i don't hear or see any lag with Djay pro or VDJ
Separated parts in all 3 platforms sounds like 96kbps which is perfect for shitty audience with smartfons in hand who only needs louder and harder drops every 30 sec :D
All of these algorithms sound like crap compared to RipX (paid) and Demucs (free open source). So if you want the cleanest separation I would use either of these 2 software. RipX allows a lot more granular control to mess with the notes. While Demucs is still being improved upon and free.
Why is everyone ignoring the fact that Trakyor has had stems... bro nevermind
Because it can't seperate. It can only play stems tracks if you get them from the studio/artist
Yeah, not the same thing at all. Traktor will have real-time separation like this in future, it’s on their roadmap. But doesn’t yet.
@@Mojaxx Realtime separation is cool, but the sound quality is what matters the most to me. And in that regard, I won't be using it in my Serato Pro setup. The algorithm needs to improve in order to match the algorithm of Demucs and RipX. As computing power increases, non real time algorithms will eventually be real time using GPU and/or AI processing unit. In this regard, Demucs (open source, free, co-developed by Facebook) could very well be the real time algorithm of choice.
It all sounds like a underwater garbled mess.
Software stems sound terrible NI had the right idea shame they never took off