Sonic X-Treme prototypes and more - But does it work on Real Hardware?
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- There are several Sonic X-Treme prototypes for the SEGA Saturn but do they actually work on hardware?
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We're on a different planet with this episode! With all publicly known Sonic X-Treme prototypes built for the Sega Saturn gets put to the test. Tagging along will be the SAGE 2018 demo, Sonic Z-Treme. But does it work on Real Hardware?
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro
1:12 - Modding the Sega Saturn
2:16 - Sonic X-Treme V40 Prototype
3:42 - Sonic X-Treme 14th July 1996 Prototype
5:15 - Sonic X-Treme 18th July 1996 Prototype
6:49 - Sonic Z-Treme
9:56 - Conclusion
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People forget if this released before Crash or Mario 64 I reckon people would have still been quite impressed with it. I mean imagine if this were late 1995 and 3d being experimented those days, it probably would have been looked at somewhat fondly at the time.
Honestly, even if it did I still don't think it'd even compare to something like Jumping Flash.Even then, once those games did come back X-treme would still look bad by comparison.Sonic games don't exactly have a short shelf life after all.
Honestly, everything I've ever seen of Xtreme looks more like a tech demo of the Saturn's hardware capabilities than something you'd ever want to actually play.
it was going to be released after both of them tho
Dont worry fans recreated it
@@jeffreywilliams1347Sonic X-treme never progressed past the tech demo state. They were not able to get the levels to run on Sega Saturn.
There are actual level layouts drawn by Sonic 2's level designer and they are available online. But they were not implemented and its unclear if those levels can even run on Sega Saturn
Yes, the revealed footage of Sonic X-treme was just tech demo footage. They had difficulty even getting Sonic to move on Saturn.
There are also only a few fully drawn level layouts. Practically no progress was made with Sonic X-treme development other than graphics (which may of changed anyway)
10:07 Actually, the creator has moved on to creating an FPS Shooter for the Saturn since Z-Treme was met with a lot of unfounded criticism and he's not much of a Sonic fan. It's unclear if he'll return to the project.
Aw, that sucks. I quite enjoyed it. My only issue was that it was short and the map design could be a bit more clear.
@@redhotsonic hi red hot sonic. I need a bit of help. On the ps2 version of sonic heroes on team dark when it loads onto hang castle it loads for a sec then it crashes.
@@callumcrispin817 Might be a problem with the disc itself.
*NOOOOOOOO!!!*
Dang that sad
That one built on the Nights boss engine pissed Yuji Naka off so much he almost quit Sega.
Threatened to quit over the devs use of his nights engine without permission then Yuji makes the over world for sonic jam with the nights as a big FU and to say it is possible to make sonic work in 3d on the Saturn, imagine if sega wasn't feuding with its self we could of got a good Saturn sonic game with the nights engine
STI only had the nights engine for 2 weeks, and it was mostly just spent learning how it worked.
@@That_Guy- It wasn't the dev's fault, Bernie Stolar never asked Naka permission before he gave it to them. Then the one who was doing all the work on the project got extremely sick and couldn't finish it. IMHO they should have made Naka and Sonic Team do a 3D Sonic game first and have it ready by 1996 at the latest. Letting them do Nights Into Dreams left the Saturn without a 3D Sonic platformer for its entire lifespan. Alternatively, they could have had Traveler's Tales do a fully 3D Sonic platformer instead of Sonic Blast and Sonic R. They managed to achieve polygon transparencies and good graphics with Sonic R, it's just too bad all that effort went into a racing game instead of a platformer.
It's hard to know. Nights has a very short draw distance. 3D worlds weren't a good fit for Saturn. A 2D Sonic with fancier graphics would've done the trick. Or perhaps the Crash style of bendy corridors to hide draw distance and reduce load on system.
to think of that, how annoying must've been to program 3d graphics for the console back then
It's kind of a shame that sonic xtream was never realised.
It looked truly interesting and it's nice to see that it at least has a prototype.
EDGE LORD WHY ARE YOU COMING ON SO MANY VIDEOS
bruh I see you everywhere now lol
**xtream intensifies** also you are everywhere xD
Hello again
Ah yes, Sonic *X-tream*
I can’t believe we have a clean sweep of software working on real hardware!
Quite
Your Spoiling It For Others
He installed a Phantom mod chip into the SEGA Saturn. Does that qualify as “real hardware”?
If Ztreme ever adds the fisheye lens, I will be ecstatic.
There won't, because Z-treme received a lot of undeserved negative criticism from all these toxic assholes insulting the dev.
@@alexk8792 *Z-treme
X-Treme v40 already lags so much on real hardware which is why XL2 refused to add such thing.
@@gavinwilson3707 Thanks for the correction
@@alexk8792 Well as he said hismelf even if he had continued developing it it wouldn't have had it because it probably isn't possible, as the sprite characters aren't either.
2:15 "In loving memory of Segata Sanshiro"
The second prototype you testes is not made by any in SEGA at all. It was made by POV (point of view), which was contracted to help out with the game.
Still official
2:27 >>> NOW LOADING >>>
very true cuz the sonic 06 loading screens take like 15 years to complete
Man, can you imagine a Saturn game like Z-xtreme where you can play as both Sonic and Tails on a split screen? That would probably be the killer app that Saturn missed.
Pd: man, those Saturn shots were very well made! Your videos are of a super professional quality and I love everything on your channel
7:02 Ah yes. Spring Yard Zone, my favorite country. Surprisingly, it has a high population with lots of friendly folks like buzz bombers, crabmeat, rollers, and spikes. Our country is home to plenty of bumpers. Not a single day goes by without hearing their bump sound.
Lmao
Fact Check: The Sonic X-Treme Boss Engine was *not* based on NiGHTS.
Chris Coffin the coder has refuted such claims fully. It was mostly using tools created from Panzer Dragoon II - which Sonic Team also used for NiGHTS.
The full time window from when STI saw the NiGHTS engine code, to when executives ordered them to erase all copies (at the demands of Yuji Naka) was less than a week.
Some of this confusion comes from Christmas NiGHTS having a Sonic mode Easter Egg, which was mostly an internal snub by Naka to his former STI teammates, that Sonic Team was well ahead of where they were (to the detriment of course of Sega itself).
It was Christina Coffin.
I didn't know Sonic X-Treme prototypes existed. This is pretty awesome lol.
You didn't know they existed or you didn't know some were found?
7:56 - 8:04 That accurately describes my first time playing Bubsy 3D. I loved it since then.
You need help
@@MochaFatTart The only one here who needs help is the one who isn't capable of respecting others' opinions just because they don't match the popular opinion in a particular subject, despite that opinions regarding said subject are completely subjective, and no one is either right or wrong about it. Now go back to kindergarten and LEARN to respect people.
A little correction, the boss engine was not made with the nights engine. STI only had 2 weeks to work with it and it was mostly spent learning how it worked.
It was made by Christina Coffin
It's a real shame they Sega made no real effort into bringing out a decent Sonic game like this to the Saturn. It may have helped improve sales for the console. When both Saturn and Playstation were launched I went to my local "video shop" and rented both consoles before I decided which one to buy. This was before Sony released any serious 3D games and I actually preferred the Saturn at the time. I bought Saturn in January 1996. I still have that console in storage today. Just a few more great games could have saved Sega. What a waste.
The real reason why Sonic Xtreme game was never released for the Saturn was because at that point of time Sonic was the main rival for Mario and any Sonic game they released had to live up to the quality of the Mario game on the rival console which at the time Sega wasn't able to do. Sega just didn't have the time and resources to come up with a Sonic game that rivalled Mario 64.
Sega of America really didn't care about the Saturn at all. A lot of its big killer apps stayed Japan exclusive.
@@Klonoahedgehog It's not that Sega of America didn't care, It's just that Sega of Japan design the Saturn as a console to mainly fit the Arcade scenes at the time to emphasise on fighters and Shooters with great 2D capabilities and which Sega of America didn't want much to do with.
So what we ended up with was a console which Sega of America wasn't interested in what the console was designed for which resulted in a console that consisted mostly of terrible games which Sega of America thought was the right way to go because they were either digitised or in 3D despite it being a pile of crap.
@@neobogard There was a lot that the Saturn was capable of that was never realised due to lack of development support to third parties too as I understand it. Some of it's best 3D stuff features many work arounds.
You raise a good point though about the arcades. Saturn was quite the "2D Powerhouse" it has been said. I can't speak for Japan at the time but this came at a time arcades were dying off. I don't think the shoddy port of arcade flagship Virtua Fighter 1 helped either in that respect.
It also doesn't help how much Sega of Japan were screwing around Sega of America during the Saturn era. Sonic was much more successful in the west than the east, so Sonic took a backseat. Sega of Japan basically sacrificed every bit of goodwill they had with fans just so they could finally beat Nintendo in their home country. Which they did, as the Saturn outsold the N64 there. Too bad it cost them everything else.
God I wish Sonic X-Treme wasn't cancelled
This looks like a mix of Bug! And the floor from Nights (lovely game, weird feeling when ur not flying).
It's strange how the Sonic World from JAM runs so smoothly, it had a lot of potential to be the base of a Sonic3d.
Redhotsonic: “why am I going to get a haircut?”
Me: “you do.”
He said when...
Bullshit: "..."
You: "Makes absolutely no sense and I have no idea why I have 32 likes"
That last one is pretty amazing! I especially appreciate the polygonal Sonic to the bitmap one for the game.
And it's really impressive considering that it's a fan project for the Sega Saturn, which was infamously difficult to develop 3D games for.
I still want to know more about the Spin Slash move. I have no idea what function it would’ve served. Also, Sonic Z-treme, while having a garbage name, looks super interesting. I’m glad people are speaking up about this game. I wish Sega had made this a full game.
1:05, amazing intro there. OW! I love the tune!! ^_^
5:50, this music fits Sonic X-Treme pretty well tbh.
9:09, 2 PLAYER?!! 0.0
9:58, YAY!!
Sonic X-Treme had alot of potential, its sad that it got scrapped.
yeah the fisheye lens is such an interesting concept. It's like combining the 2d gameplay from previous titles with 3d and it's incredible. Idk how it will work in terms of going fast in gameplay but it seemed promising.
Yeah I agree it liked a really good game I was so exitced for it
3:19 RHS' best line: Gordon Benett! LOOK AT THAT FRAME-RATE!
"Did I say Earth? I meant Saturn!"
can we all agree that this man has the best transitions?
kneeko
I like how every video on DIWORH, you have a sign that says either a pun or something that makes sense to the actual video, Nice detail.
you two playing ztreme was so wholesome i loved it
The build, with fully 3D (including Sonic) and no FE effect, looks pretty good. Perhaps not worthy of classic Sonic, but with another character, this could have fun final game.
That was fanmade game.
4:37 so now i reallize it was possible to play Minecraft in Sonic Xtreme
"Wow! It took 30 seconds to long!"
This loading screen is longer than Sonic 06's!
Its actually "load" not "long"
Sonic 06 has more loading screens, though. A lot more.
@@Chocice75 Yeah there's more but they're not as long.
There is a difference.
8:57 what a nice throwback to super mario 64
"good luck."
Really interesting video! Always been fascinated by this game and it’s weird development, so cool to see it running on real hardware! Great overview of the different versions of the prototypes too
Sonic X-Treme is very interesting with all the engine changes making it feel like a completely different game
Wheres this creator from?
*SPRING YARD ZONE*
LOL
*spring yard theme starting*
more like *SPARKLING ZONE*
This never showed up in my sub box. If it wasn't for the recommendations I would have missed this and that would have been awful because this video is great
"Wow, that took about 30 seconds to load"
sonic 06 in a nutshell
I've gotta say, I've heard of this channel, but never watched it until now. I'm a part of the SRB2 community, and people have been talking about your channel or poking fun at it (in a good way). This is a good channel, I must say.
I've been waiting a long time for this!
Yess finally. Thank you redhotsonic. I was really curious about this game years ago.. still am tbh
You do great on this stuff, RHS. Keep up the good work.
Looks like Z-Treme uses the actual 3D Sonic model from Jam/R. Nice.
The camera rotation in Zstreme shows that it was clearly based on the same framework used for NiGHTS and later Burning Rangers, so had bitch boy Yuji Naka not thrown a temper tantrum, that's likely what Xtreme would have looked like.
RedHotSonic's captions taught me something, then I forgot
Superb video - very well done mate. And wow, Z-Treme runs incredibly well in split screen, that would have been phenomenal in 1996!
Z-Treme was made much later and on modern hardware though.
Look at Project SXU. It faithfully recreated Jade Gully and other levels.
It has been abandoned.
i absolutely loved the saturn joke lmao
What I would’ve loved to see was Sonic Adventure on the Saturn before it became Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast. As far as I know there’s only pics but no actual gameplay footage. We did get to see Shenmue on the Saturn though and it looked pretty good.
At 2:57 what's that song? It's been bugging me since I first heard it forever ago
"In loving memory of segata sanshiro"
I remember years ago me trying for weeks to get hands on the Jade Garden build.
Probably grabbed a ton of viruses along the way and then the Saturn emulator I used wasn't really doing well either but damn... That was one fun ride.
Really hope the guy behind it finishes Z-Stream one day, it looks good!
It was cancelled.
@@noveltyman6723 Oh... 😢
@@MegaManNeo It's because toxic people insulted that fangame.
@@noveltyman6723 that is nuts.
Holy shit another Mega Man fan out in the wild
Hello
2:45 that's old CD players for ya
I've been following the dead son of the Sonic family for well over a decade. It's development life is so convoluted that just now and here I get to learn that there WAS a fisheye lens-involving proto for the Saturn! And also that Jade Gully ALSO had a Saturn release! WOW!
Thank you so much for this video, Red.
The creator or Sonic Z-treme being from Spring Yard Zone actually made me laugh.
A trip to the Saturn, Sega Saturn. I also like what you did in your scene set: "X Marks Z Spot!" Going back to the poll question, it sounds better to say X Marks Zee Spot, even though I pronounce that letter as Zed since I was extremely little.
7:11 didn't expect to see that.
Was nice to see Millie play a Sonic game with you. What was her true reaction after that test run?
Her true reaction after playing the game was: "Can I go to bed now?"
@@redhotsonic Haha 😂
X Marks Z Spot heh i see what you did there.
im actually quite surprised it works on real hardware! now we just need more saturn hacks in the future...
Evidently there are also builds of the game for PC, as (oversimplification incoming) evidently that was the manner in which it was developed.
you don't need a haircut
you need hot red hair dye.
and then get a red sonic costume so i could literally call you redhotsonic.
You didn't cover all of the builds for Sonic X-Treme - there is one build that is more complete, but it WON'T work on Saturn as it is a PC build. It's a more complete version of the second build and you should DEFINITELY check it out - there is a video of gameplay of it on RUclips - it has ACTUAL levels with interactability.
I have a Phoebe so I knew about the other 3 betas working on real hardware, but I had NO idea that Z-Treme would work and that's FANTASTIC news! Thanks for that.
-Anyhow do a follow up video on the PC build of the beta.
What is this build called?
"You didn't cover all of the builds for Sonic X-Treme - there is one build that is more complete, but it WON'T work on Saturn as it is a PC build." - Well, that answers your question to as why I didn't cover it; as it's on PC. I am aware of there being more on PC. May cover them on my secondary channel as a live stream soon.
RIP sonic z-treme
being a remake of x-treme you were always doomed to the same fate
Let's hope Sonic X-Treme Unity doesn't have the same fate...
this game had really fresh ideas that at the same time truly hard to be executed
3:28 that's so funny!!
Now I’m actually wondering why the game got scrapped, the prototype looked very promising.
OMG I NEVER KNEW SONIC Z-STREAM WAS A THING UNTILL NOW (i knew about x-tream tho) but whow thanks!! :D
Redhotsonic: takes any romhack
Also him: BUT DOES IT WORK ON REAL HARDWARE?
'carelessly tosses disk' "We're done with the prototypes."
its impressive how the z-treme one runs on the real sega saturn, considering its has full 3D models and, well, its the saturn! kind of showcase that we could had a 3D sonic main title before the dreamcast, if sega was a little less sega >:T
The haircut is awesome! Keep it.
Sonic ztreme is the sonic game we deserved earlier
The Saturn is underrated
The infinite lives for player 2 in Z-Stream makes me think that that was placeholder code for Tails' AI for the singleplayer. Just thinking out loud.
Youre typing, not “speaking” thoughts
1st redhotsonic
Then jetpacktails
What's next. BLUECOLDKNUCKLES!
Well never know untill redhotsonic makes another channel.
Also 7:11 XD
Even Version 40 is still an awesome peice of technology for the Saturn! I mean to imagine this could have been what 3D Sonic gameplay could standardlu be like this? It's fascinating. And I kinda wanna own and play em all they're a charming
It’s nice when modded rom hacks and such on real hardware also great video as usual
*THE MAN BEHIND THE*
sonic x-treme project
This is me whenever I get hurt by a bully in school 7:12
This game was actually tied with an original sonic movie that was scrapped
I hope sonic x-treme will be finished one day maybe for sonics birthday
0:58 When am i going to get a haircut..
I'm glad things went the way they did, I really think if this released it would've hurt Sonic more than help
Woah, you did the epic.
I wonder if the prototypes were developed in parallel to shop various potential gameplay models for 3D sonic.
Lol ur icon made me think there was a fly on my tablet
That's awesome! But I have a question for you is this the last video of does it work on real hardware or are you gonna continue doing it for the fans?
That's crazy... I knew the XTreme demos would work. I have heard as much. but I really didn't think Z-treme would.
The location of the creator absolutely got me 😂 6:59
I love Saturn, its great for 2D but these just prove the Saturn could never have made full scale 3D Sonic adventure. These are tiny 3D spaces, much like the hub in Sonic Jam.
Bug! and Bug Too! would like to have a word with you...
EDIT: To be fair though, these games used narrow 3D paths and there was no free movement (although Bug Too! actually has some semi-open spaces to run around, mainly hub worlds and some parts of the levels)
RedHotSonic when you did the Sonic 3 Complete Review, you didn't say if the other options that you can choose to get Sonic 2 sprites in Sonic 3 Complete on a website can be done on mobile. Can you tell me if it does work or not?
8:56 sonic with mario's metal cap
I saw that one level as the cover art for a meme rap album.
Ah, Sonic X-Treme, the infamous cancelled prototype Sonic game. Not to be confused with Sonic Extreme, the relatively unknown cancelled prototype Sonic game. It's good to see it running on real hardware after all these years.
what’s the song you used for the start of the player 2 coop? i just subscribed love this video
Reminds me a bit of Mario 3D World meets Little Big Planet kinda 3D gameplay. Really neat concept for the mid-late 90s. :)
-Mad Wolf
2:30 Ahh That Method (Why Did You Knock The CRT Instead Of The Console)
Lmao
Is that a 1991 sonic plush I see at 9:30? I have 1 and my little girl has one to keep mine safe 😂
I had one, my brothers kept killing him by way of hanging from the bedroom light cord. I think my nephew has him now, after years of him being lost in an attic somewhere. Sonic, not the nephew.
@@stephandolby my little one loved mine so much we got her one and even found the matching tails plush to go with it ♥️
Nice sonic v.40 slideshow
This may just be because I live in Australia but zed-streme sounds more natural to me.
Doctor: "Images can't give you pain"
Me: 7:10
on z-treme it sounds like he’s saying z stream
Seeing X-Treme Sonic only makes me want to play SRB2 again.
Footage they showed of the stages in the game I wonder where those builds ended up