Secrets of Wun-Dar the Wonder Bread He-Man in MOTUC from Mattel. Was he real?
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024
- Scott ToyGuru Neitlich talks about the 2010 MOTUC subscription figure Wun-Dar other wide known as the Wonder Bread He-Man and his mysterious history as well as inclusion in the Masters of the Universe Classics toy line from Mattel. Toy secrets and how toys are made! From Spector Creative.
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"The awesomeness of Mon-chi-chis" (oh so soft and cuddle-y) is my first takeaway from this video. My second is how impressively you've woven the original Glut/Alcala story of He-Man's origin into Wun-Darr's. I see that and I deeply love it.
So glad that detail was appreciated! It was done with so much love
You did solve the mistery after all this time!
It was quite a surprise to me!
Thanks for helping make him a reality. He's my favorite figure from the line!
Glad you enjoyed!
instablaster
You are a very intelligent man. You must know there are multiple "things" which historically can't be explained from the 80s. Mr Roger's song lyrics, Nelson Mandela dying, Forrest Gump quote, the missing Sinbad movie, Berenstein Bears books, et al.
Fun video
Don't forget the Luke and Biggs scene being in Star Wars!
Even I don't collect MOTU I still find the store behind this Wonder bread He-Man rather interesting
A true Toy Story!
I always had this vague recollection of seeing an advert for wonder bread he-man at k-mart. Crazy story
The mystery continues... maybe a follow up video some day.
Love all your videos! I look forward to your commentary and insight into the amazing MOTUC toyline. Thank you Toy Guru! 🥳🤓🙌🏼
Well thanks so much! Appreciate the comment
"Perhaps the archives are incomplete"
Only a sith deals in absolutes
Great video! Thank you! This was a fun figure set, and the only time so far that I've had to resort to evilBay for a MOTUC item. I wasn't as plugged in back then, and hadn't found out about the subscription -- and didn't know it could be available outside the USA -- until it was too late. But, thanks to the help of a couple of my friends back in the States, I was finally able to bag one and his map. And as soon as the offer for the 2011 sub was up, I signed up, and continued to do so until the very end. 😉
It's still good that you got him on ebay early! They're expensive now! I was unfortunately very late to the party and didn't pick up my first Classics figure until the Matty Club was closed, so I'm missing quite a few of the high dollar figures.
I didn't realize how expensive he got. He is great toy. And greats toys are worth it!
@@spectorcreative1872 I collect a lot of different toy lines and the MOTU Classics line is easily one of my favorites! There are so many great interpretations of awesome characters in the line, plus cool characters who were never made into figures before! For me personally, once a figure gets up into the $50 range, it becomes difficult for me to pick up. Classics Beast Man and Scareglow are two that I would love to own, but those two are tough to find at $100 now. As much as I do love those two figures, $100 is just too much for me.
@@WeHadThat I think I paid $80 for Wun-Dar in late 2010, if I recall. Not cheap, but still a lot better than Slime Zombie He-Man has shot up to in less than a year. Damn power-Con exclusives and their scalpers . . . .
One of the coolest MOTUC bonus toys, and a nice nod to the mystery of Wonder-bread He-man.
I remember getting it as a subscription, and agonising over whether to open or leave on card.
See I knew it would skyrocket in price, but i bought it because I knew I’d never be able to own an ‘actual’ Wonderbread he-man figure.
Scott what did me in, and finally made me open it, was that darn loaf of bread accessory. I could repaint a basic he-man figure and armour black, but I wanted to pose him holding a loaf of bread.
To this day I don’t regret opening him though, because it was such a cool feeling to hold Wundar in my hands after dreaming of owning a motu wonderbread in real life. Given the larger size of motu classics, it probably was close to scale with how my young hands would have held him had I a wonderbread as a kid. Of course I never knew about it growing up so not exactly a childhood dream, but it was special to me. So thanks!
I actually keep that loaf on my shelf. It is one of my favorite accessories of all time!
I recently unboxed the Classics Wun-Dar for my channel. He was a grail for me because I didn't subscribe until the second year of MOTUC. When I got around to explaining who he was I felt a little foolish because I realized after all these years I STILL didn't know if the original was a real figure or not! I feel better knowing there's no definitive answer. Thank you!
Glad to help put this one to rest finally!
Not sure how closely you follow Facebook groups, Scott, but Mark and Becca (Taylor) confirmed about a year ago that Premium He-Man (as he was known internally) was, in fact, a give away figure that was a retailer incentive both by mail-in and in store promotion. Mark doesn't remember all of the details but this would seem to gel with most of the details people have come up with and he only would have had the maroon weapons with no weapons pack vest. I'm guessing part of the problem was after the move to the newer HQ in El Segundo that a lot of documentation has sadly been lost to the halls of time as it were. It also had NOTHING to do with Conan which is another popular rumor people continue to spread even though the whole case with CPI LLC. vs. Mattel had been done and settled before much real work was ever started on the line and that was all Big Jim scale.
Wow! Well if that is the answer - AWESOME! I had not head of that but it does logically make sense. Perhaps I'll do a follow up video if we can confirm this angle. That would be terrific. Thanks for the thoughts!!!
@@spectorcreative1872 I consider it legit obviously considering the source despite how long it's been since those events took place as Mark and Rebecca are both sharp as steel with their details on events.
I’m familiar with the video you’re talking about - Wayne did ask them (vaguely) about the figure but I don’t believe Mark knew exactly which figures was being mentioned. After watching the video I personally sent an image of my WB He-Man to Rebecca and she showed Mark and reached back to me and said that Mark had never seen it before.
”Toy history, lore, and mystery”... the lyrics to your new show opening into are practically writing itself!!!! I’m thinking music similar to the “great space coaster”!
Someone call my agent! And where is that kid with my latte?
Another much appreciated video. Thank you sir.
you are most welcome! Any help spreading the word about the channel is appreciated!
If you never got to the bottom of the mystery of the origin of this figure while you were with Mattel I don't think we'll ever find out it's real origin.
Yeah, I agree! If a fan with access to Mattel's archives can't solve the mystery, who could?
@@WeHadThat how about someone with access to Wonderbread's archives? ;)
If we can solve the mystery I'll be sure to do a follow up!
@@ehenyor That would be another stone to turn! However, I suspect that Wonder Bread He-Man wasn't actually a Wonder Bread promotion. On the other hand, I DO have a good bit of experience with being wrong -Haha!
6:55 that’s fan made. It’s really easy to seal a bag
Well yeah...
I have my MOTUC version carded still because there's something about him that makes me want to leave him "special" even though I've opened every other figure in the line.
Yeah he is one of those cool ones worth the packaging. I should do a video about that...
I usually run a blade along the edges of the sides and bottom of the bubble. That way, the toy can always go back inside.
I love the Classics so much, I keep one MOC, great concept!
Glad you enjoy so much. So much love when into this
I love a good mystery and I've always been a fan of mail away figures thanks to Star Wars.
Mail away figures are the best! ruclips.net/video/J__iBHw80tY/видео.html
I slept on the first round of subscriptions, to be honest. Wasn't sure I could commit to all that money at the time, as I was between jobs. Had to chase Wun-Dar up years later and eventually scored him and the map from an eBay seller in the UK. I LOVE the loaf of bread and the jetpack Easter egg! So glad I hunted him down when I did!
Well thanks so much for supporting the brand and this channel!
@@spectorcreative1872 Hey, if you make cool MOTU toys, I'm buying, haha. I subscribed every year after Wun-Dar and even bought two subs for the last year! I still have most of my duplicate figures, haha. But to get such an amazing line as far as it got, it was worth it. :)
I got one of these from a family friend in 1985, John opened up his Mattel briefcase and there he-was, the wonderful brunette man of HE, John used to work for mattel and he had dozens of those figures, he also said that this particular fig was supposed to be Faker,but the blue skin suited better!.Blue bread is moldy so...
Interesting. The stories of Wun-Dar keep coming out!
I enjoyed the video. Thanks for posting! I was expecting a mention that the maroon sword and axe from Wonder Bread He-Man were from the Man-E-Faces that came with the extra weapons (aka Man-E-Weapons). These are relatively easy to find carded with the weapons. I even have one of the card backs myself.
Good point! I'll bring that up in the Man-E-Faces video when I get to it.
I voted for this figure to be in the origins line. I was bummed it didn’t win.
Well I'm sure if Origins does well it will show up eventually. It is pretty much a free bee from a tooling POV once you have Zodac
Spector Creative fingers crossed!
Mr. Spectere does mattel still do the monthly subscriber. If so could you give me any information I'd really appreciate it. Thank you
There is a discussion right now about Wun-Dar on MOTU Nation on Facebook. I'm posting your video on there. This toy is such a mystery!
I hope this video helps solve the mystery some what!
@@spectorcreative1872 It definitely clears up why the Classics Wun-Dar was made, but It does solve the mysterious vintage action figure.
Maybe thats what makes this so interesting is the mystery and journey
True dat
I grew up during the 80s but I can't say I saw this figure anywhere or on anything. Yet somehow it looks really familiar to me. I really wanted the MOTUC Wundar figure but couldn't afford the subscription. Of course, the price has skyrocketed on the secondary market, so that's out. Then I voted for Wundar in the recent Origins poll and he lost, so there goes that hope. Maybe they will make him in the future though. Fingers crossed.
He would be a great choice for Origins!
Just a heads up that that vintage figure in the baggie wasn't sealed. It was purchased on eBay in 1999 in an unsealed bag and that Buy 3 Get 1 promo coupon. So that isn't evidence that the figure originally came in that bag or with that coupon.
Very interesting. I may need to do a follow up some day on this one as more info comes out.
Scott - He-Man and Savage He-Man both have the same exact stamp on the back (Mattel Inc 1981 - Taiwan) FYI
Cool. I'll add that to the list.
Surely that coupon was just there in the listings to show where it came from. Which we now know is the promotion it did come from.
WUN-DAR is now ARM-ER. Armour… er... (where?) WUNDAR!
There you go
Here again.... This video makes me think that Mattel needs to partner with Wonder Bread for this figure in the Origins series!
Wait until you see the follow up video coming in a few weeks! New evidence has come to light!
The most overrated figure in MOTU if you look at the prices on eBay. That is why I made myself a custom instead. Loved the video. very informative as per usual.
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching.
Yeah, I just bought a spare vintage He-Man and painted him. While mine isn’t a bootleg, it is a custom.
Back when you got yours prices were not as CRAZY as they are now!
Indeed
Awesome episode!! Thoroughly enjoyed...👍
I would like to hear the story behind the Doomsday that was released as the final DCUC/ Signature series...💀
Oh I;ll get to that in time. I'm going in release order for all lines.
I knew you were the guy who bought the wonder bread he man on toy hunters ,ive been watching your masters videos thinking i know that guys voice
Yup! I actually got to do two shows with Jordan. It was a blast.
I remember this and I don't have any proof or ad, but to my knowledge I remember feeling disappointed because I didn't have the money to buy my own MOTU, but my parents owned a business and we would buy bread in bulk, specifically Wonder bread. Each loaf had one card. The deal was that you had to buy a certain amount of bread and also a certain amount of MOTU figures. It was a cross promotion to get you to buy bread and MOTU. So if you had a certain amount UPC's from the bread and a certain amount MOTU UPC's then you'd mail it in and get a mystery figure. I remember the ad at the Wonder bread store. I remember I had plenty of UPC'S from the bread, but I didn't have the UPC'S from the MOTU cards. Like I was in the 1rst grade, and I didn't think to keep my card backs. So essentially, I remember the emotion of not being able to get all the UPC's to mail them in. In the 80s a lot of food companies paired with toy companies to get you to buy both their products and the toy products. The ad for the cards was a separate promotion. Because Wonder Bread did 2 promotions with MOTU. It was 1985. I remember distinctively, because out of all those cross promotion in the 80s this was the one that I really, really wanted but never was able to get. So that is the secret. Again I don't have the proof, but I remember, I remember, I remember, and I never forgot. Just never told anyone because this was my way of keeping one of the secrets of Castle Grayskull all to myself. It was a cross promotion between the two companies Mattel, and Wonder bread. I believe they stopped the cross promotion because many of us were like in elementary school and it was just too much on us kids to purchase the food product and the toy product. I think Mattel realized that and just started doing their own buy 3 get a free. Because the very next year when I was in the second grade they tried that promotion with POP, which if you look it up their is a commercial for that particular mail in offer. By that time wonder bread had the mail in for the collection of cards offer, so that was their second MOTU promotion. Which was all just a gimmick for us to buy more products to make more money for both companies. He was just the brown haired He-man with no armor on, I had an older friend who actually had him. He didn't have any weapons at all. Now, looking back as an adult I think one of Mattel's factories must of effed up the paint deco and decided to salvage the figures they created in a smart way where Mattel would still profit off the little mistake. That happens all the time with companies trying to fix the mistake at the factory, but not lose money at the same time. Happens alot with food companies where they will mess up and all of a sudden they offer this special, limited time flavor of their product. Then you start to like it and you never see it again. The reason so many people, including yourself remember him as Wonder bread He-man is because he was actually the joint venture/cross promotion between the two companies. Wonder bread had more than one promotion with MOTU. And Mattel had another promotion too also on their own. I think it was like 10 bread UPC'S and one toy UPC. The idea was to get the person to spend around 15 dollars. Which was alot for a 1rst grader with no allowance in the 80s. And I remember opening the bread up to get those cards out and I saved those bread UPC's, I just didn't get the MOTU card UPC. Once I did the deadline was up and I missed out on him. I remember the promotion clear as day, the stand up sign in the store and everything. My parents used to take me all the time, I loved those twinkies. I remember, because when I got the card that was in the loaf it was the only time that a loaf a bread was like a box of cereal with a prize inside. 🤯🤯🤯 Now the rest of us can remember too.
Yeah, but I do think the promo was for cards, not a figure. To date no one has ever had photo proof otherwise and it has been 30 years.
i lean more towards them being left overs from when motu was going to be conan and they were laying around so they gave em out for free in that promotion that would be why some of them came with different weapons and without armor because its what they had laying around. could be a bootleg too that they confiscated and then gave out for free.
I recently found new evidence which proves where this toy came from. Coming in a few days!
@@spectorcreative1872 cool cant wait to see what you found
Can you point me to the aforementioned Toy Hunter episode? I'd love to watch it!
I'm not sure if they are available. If I can find them I will mention in an upcoming video.
So when I was a kid growing up in the 80’s my parents had a friend of a friend who worked at a factory that made MOTU figures, well to make some extra cash him and some other people would sneak pieces out like full figures and accessories and they would throw them together to sell at the cheap to the community.
I never had a MOTU figure that I actually picked out at the store or opened, but I did have a bunch of figures that came with or without armor, sometimes it was just Skeletors or He-Man’s armor on them but as a kid I didn’t care I had them.
It wasn’t till many years later that I realized this or that some figures had different colored hair or skin to the body they were attached too, so I think your theory is dead on that it was a bootleg of some kind.
Actually... the mystery has been solved! See here: ruclips.net/video/xhnH62KZ0SI/видео.html
Wasn't the loaf tool used later for like a Barbie or something? I personally don't collect them, but I have a friend who does, and I know she has at least a similar looking loaf on display.
Was it? I'd love to know!
Where did the art from his bio come from?
Was there any paperwork for the glued together keldor twin 200X swords being at distribute power-con? If not, that could be the "wonderbread he-man" 25 years from now...
I think the original figure was indeed from the same Taiwan vendor, but officially. They where probably distributed to an east of the Mississippi chain like childworld or toy palace. Probally through an already existing BOGO promotion which could be why no aditional paperwork could be found.
If you look at that mega thread on he-man.org, few of these these authentic figures ever showed up in random vintage childhood collections sold second hand outside that region. The few that do are usually east coast or canada, probably belonging to a family that moved after geting "wonder he-man". I do not think a "wild" wonder-bread he-man has ever been found by a collector outside north America which would be odd for a bootleg manufactured by Taiwan wouldn't it?
Given how few people worked on the 1982-1983 series it is odd nobody interviewed has recolection of him in this deco...perhaps he was a last minute conan redeco ordered from on high shortly before higher ups realizing how R rated the film was. Given away as part of an existing motu promotion would mitigate any legal ramifications via the CPI lawsuit. Also time to ditch any paperwork which could prove a connection if it existed. It could have all been one person in charge of the unproduced conan line responsible for all of this. This could have also spawn the legend that he-man started from mattel making conan figures.
Did you ever find anything regarding mattel's work on the Conan line in the archives? (Its been speculated that "vykor" and "demo-man" as you named them probally where conan afterall but filed incorrectly as Mark Taylor and Tony Guerrero worked on both lines.)
You say there is no internal documentations, but what about that black short test shot as featured in the "Vol.1 art book" from SDCC? I know test shots come in all kinds of colors, but that flesh tone and black belt/short is very coincidental.
I totally think we need to submit this to the youtuber Wang as he and his community are really good at solving internet mysteries that date back to the days of geocities and angelfire...
We never got wundar in canada or least no known cases of him appearing in canada
I believe Terry created it just for the bio
4:59 Hordak looking like Krang with legs. 🤣
From a certain point of view
As of 2021 the guy as is official as he can get as Wundar in the 2021 cartoon... well one of them.
Crazy right?
Probably the most surprising thing in this video is that you did new tooling for the bread. I would think that Mattel would have molds for a loaf of bread lying around somewhere. Heck, Barbie had an actual loaf of Wonder Bread back in the 90s.
Is there a reason you went with new tooling instead of reusing something from outside of MOTU?
You would think that right! We did look into a Barbie loaf, same thing when we did Wonder Pig for JLU. But alas, no bread and no pig tools were available!
i rember the cards being in the bread
Yup the card did happen for sure
My daughter LOVES the bread
Nice
Awesome, thanks! 👍
And thank you!
dan larsen from toy galaxy did a video on this in 2017 wondering about this figure.
Yeah I have seen it and many others. The debate rages on, but I think I may have helped end it. ;-)
But this was not enough for the Toy Detective who stuck to the case with his fearless cat & one day solved the mystery!
World's only consulting toy detective
@@spectorcreative1872 Now you've planted a seed in my mind that- somebody who tracks down missing toys. Sherlock Jr?
I'm not saying this is the answer but I used to go down to Mexico quite often back in the 80s & 90s and I used to see he man knock offs that looked a lot like Wondar.
Dear Scott, please change the setting in this video so that I can translate it into my language with subtitles. Many thanks in advance.
All of the videos are set with subtitles in English. Let me know what other setting is needed in a new comment(not a reply). and I would be happy to!
He looks like _Mitchell!_ with the brown hair.
Mitchelle? Whom is that?
@@spectorcreative1872 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_(film)
Are you or are you not going to include Mo-Lar: Eternian Dentist?
I did his video! Here it is: ruclips.net/video/mSDHuMAWR4s/видео.html
@@spectorcreative1872 Smashing!
Stinking Mandela affect
Haha!
Right! Like the people who swear the Tatooine Biggs scenes were in Star Wars.
@@spectorcreative1872 Really!? I've never heard that! I've seen them on RUclips, but didn't realize that anyone remember them being in the movie! Maybe I just watched the movie so many times on VHS that the RUclips extras didn't stick in my brain -Haha!
That would actually make him Mandelar or something like that then wouldn't it?
Is it just me or is it like a right of passage to buy all the parts from he man and zodak and make him myself even if it is available... Imo buy that too of course, jus sayin'. Did one with mega brands stuff.
Well I do think this is required of all motu fans
For me, He-Man works with brunette hair. I subscribed at mattycollector.com all the years and I was happy, when Wun-dar arrived.
Wait until you see the new evidence I found!
I thought it was from Nestle's Quik
More to come this Saturday!
@@spectorcreative1872 I do remember seeing this on something, maybe it was a M.U.S.C.L.E action figure that was associated with Nestle Quik. But I am certain this figure was a give away from some product and I look forward to finding out, awesome video.
did any one ever make the character batrose? iv never seen it except in one episode of filmations he man
Yes, we did Batros in 2015.
Authentic, legitimate Mattel. Not official until well after the CPI lawsuit was over. My question is why would Mattel make this while CPI was suing them? Maybe a middle finger to CPI or Remco?
I have a video coming out tomorrow clearing up the whole Conan thing
Why are people saying it was a 1981 mail away and you are saying no one knows where it came from?
I actually recently found new evidence about this and a new video is coming soon which should solve this once and for all!
@@spectorcreative1872 awesome. I dont remember it back in the day so it could've been a bootleg.
I thought this was a awesome figure and i am working on a custom one for my vintage line of figures
And now we know where he came from!
@@spectorcreative1872 Thanks to you digging yes now we do. :)
I for one hope the mystery is never solved. Scott, was there no conflict or trepidation from legal in creating this figure?
He mentioned that legal reviewed the colored dots and were okay with it.
@@ehenyor I mean overall, though. I guess he would have mentioned it if there was anything. In a past video about Fuerza-T he said that Mattel doesn't like to push the envelope when it comes to anything questionable, and since the origin of this figure is completely unknown, I thought it might have been seen as questionable.
@@AintNobodyAtAll I'm sure they would have had some kind of debrief of the overall figure for that question. That said, it sounds like Scott was able to do a lot because MOTUC was low priority for a lot of the Mattel depts.
Overall? No. It is our sculpt that was repainted.
chocolate bread accessory
Yum
Popcultureness is a noun ;)
Making up words is fun
@@spectorcreative1872 Agreeeeeeeed!
14:12 the guy needs to eat......
Clearly.
Bootleg. Trust me, we grew up poor and my mom was a master at getting us randomized bootleg action and wrestling figures. I and few people had this (as far as what I know to remember) and we'd actually call him Faker believe it or not
Yeah, I just haven't seen any proof that it is anything but a bootleg. If it was otherwise someone would have come forward with proof by now
@@spectorcreative1872 back then alot of bootlegs were pretty good. Came out of very similar molds. Hard to say but ud think thered be some existing evidence.
It wasn't a bootleg. I got the damn thing in the mail in 1983. Still have, the origins figure and classics figure. Plus the mega blox figure.
@@williamthompson5504 it was def a bootleg albeit sent off by Mattel. Who abruptly ended the promotion because people (or one parent in particular) complained about the character being generic asf and not He-Man. Pretty sure he made a video that finally got to the bottom of this. They likely disbursed them afterwards, which is how many of us obtained him as a kid.
You are speaking 50% too slow!
Absolutely appreciate the feedback. Always looking to improve. See this video as an example in the other direction:
ruclips.net/video/ah4KAUdJV6Y/видео.html