The Lost Unproduced Sequels to He-Man and the Masters of the Universe: He-Ro - Son of He-man! MOTUC
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2021
- Scott ToyGuru Neitlich reviews the two lost unproduced He-Ro Son of He-Man concepts and how both were used in the Masters of the Universe Classics line to introduce new heroes and villains to help expand the line and ideally make more toys! The difference between He-Ro and He-Ro II explained. Plus - the Mask of Skeleteen!!!! Comes with our highest possible recommendation!
He-Ro Son of He-Man concept 2 SDCC write up from Power Party:
www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...! 
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Kind of cool how the name He-Ro came full circle. The first person to wield the 'SWORD OF HE' was a man named Ro. Good way to recycle and sell more toys 😅🤣
It really was about selling more toys. I mean it was a toy line!
When I first heard about the "Son of He-Man" concept I knew that He-Ro II and He-Ro were separate characters. I thought it was a missed opportunity not having them be the same character through time travel.
Time travel gives me headaches.
@@spectorcreative1872 I can understand that. the time travel in "end game" and "agents of shield" are suppose to be the same universe. However, they have really conflicting ideas for time travel.
@@spectorcreative1872 me too, man. Although I have to say I'm surprised you feel that way since you created Spector, who went through time to serve the Royal family
I'd love to see a He-Ro Son of He-Man cartoon.
Me too!
ALAN Moore, and he's never seen the Watchmen movie and never will see it, he's made that very clear
Yup. I get it
@@spectorcreative1872 did you read that in Comic Book Guy’s voice too? I bet Mike here is a scream at parties.
@@jayofthedead7750 same could be said for Scott
Alan Moore and his wife also wrote Lost Girls that was practically child pornography...Wouldn't want Alan Moore's opinion on anything...
@@lutherheggs451 Really? Oh my gosh. I knew he’d got into ‘antique erotica’ years ago. He’s a very good writer but very opinionated and like many very opinionated people he’s not afraid to inflict them upon the world.
In hindsight, a figure or character called Old Man Beast would have been amazing. He could have wandered Eternia without purpose after the defeat of Skeletor. Perhaps he could have found and fostered a different wild/lost child.
Oh I so wanted to do that! Get off my lawn kids!
@@spectorcreative1872 When you think of Beastman, Scott, is it the more buffoonish Fimation version, the fierce 200X incarnation, or something in-between?
Oh, the potential character arcs. Reflection about his past actions, realizing how Skeletor abused him, reconnecting with his nature and in the end becoming a heroic warrior opposing the returned Skeletor.
We need this as a feature film!
@@martinfiedler4317 Beast Man's Big Adventure!
Air Bag looks like a Red Inspiration for Big Hero 6, lol, what a hilarious looking character. Good Old Air Bag!
He really does huh!
Scott ,you took care of that line ,heart & soul.The folks that took over were "just doin a job" ,clearly.Be PROUD ,& think of all you did while you could ,for us ! ..it mattered.It showed. :D
Oh I am very proud indeed. I just wish the new team could have kept it going.
@@spectorcreative1872 dam straight ! ..ya ,if only 1of em had half the love you put in ,...
@@genesanford9412 My thoughts exactly! Passion for a concept should be part of the process!
Regarding the foul ups of that release, this is what happens when you don't have a nerd for consultation anymore
Always available
I see what you're doing here, using these "history of" type videos to set up future director's commentary videos just like using the mini comics to set up future figures. Well played.
Get out of my head!
Meta.
!!!??? oh; he-ro is the son of heman & shera....
@@OikPoinFive He-Man and Teela... She Ra is He-Man's sister.
@@spectorcreative1872 hopefully you're also doing this to solidify your position in helping future He-Man movie producers make actual story decisions that are true to the source material. This is SO vital now. Look at how succesful MCU and the Mandalorian are because they are taking into account actual lore and actually designed backstories of the characters.
It is vital today for a franchise to pay attention and properly respect the source material. If something seems silly.. MAKE IT WORK.
Man, I had zero Idea they had a Concept for Son of He-Man, never knew anything about it until this video, much thanks for the info Guru, amazing vid as always!
Glad you continue to enjoy Jeff!
Oh my, while unpacking some MOTU stuff from my storage unit, I came across the HE-RO Bible, well, a print out that is. I’ll take this as a sign to read it again.
I new you would explain this nonsense. The new team clearly didn't care of your wonderful job in the past years. You are the one that kept this brand alive and fought hard to keep it for us fans. I own every Motuc except the Bronze Grayskull (one day sooner than later). I've always loved this line since 1982. I still collect them. All what can be done on Motu. I'm sad you're gone because you added a lot of communication with the fans. Even though I'm French, I keep following you. I still run Musclor. org FB group and also my French RUclips channel MortalG about all Pop-Culture heroes. Of course Motu are my first. I wake up motu, I sleep motu 😜 many thanks for continuing the legeng behind. I hope one day to have the joy to interview you on my RUclips channel. Every Thursdays I do a live with a fan a collector and we discuss, share and then he shares his own collection. Maybe you will be one day my guest... Gary Goddard has accepted to be in my March 28th Live with Arnaud Brun. We will do a Motu Thema so Arnaud will show us his Original Dolph Sword and Cosmic Key and Gary will join us. I'm so happy. Take care my dear Toy Guru.
Merci Beaucoup pour votre tres gentile parole!
Great stuff! I was going to use the extra Vykron I got many years ago to make a torn-in-half "Defeated by Gygor" Vykron, but I guess I'm now going to make him into He-Ro II! Good thing I rarely had the time to customise, back in the day . . . .
See, he was worth keeping!
Ok now I want the inflatable Emperor Throne. Somebody make that happen. 😁
Here that Disney!
I had a Darth Maul shaped one
love these videos. I dont have a question really when i was young i sort of got in to heman. Now i just love the lore of it
The lore is some of the best part. Share with your friends! It helps the channel a ton
So, like I've said before, watching your videos specifically got me interested in He-Man for the first time since the 200X days, and got me interested in the Classics line. So all thanks to you, I got Classics He-Ro II from BigBadToyStore a couple months ago as a way to sort of "cap off" my childhood with He-Man and start fresh with the line (I'm starting fresh collecting Origins now, while occasionally scouring for Classics on places like eBay. Might even snag a Super7 or two from BBTS down the line).
In my mind, I'm going the Classics-as-a-200X-continuation route based on what I learned from your videos, and the He-Ro II figure I have is indeed the son of the 200X He-Man I owned and played with as a kid.
I've been looking forward to a He-Ro II video from you since then, and this was a really cool one. I like how it also sort of doubles as a Secrets of He-Ro II towards the end. I personally don't mind the blue pants/harness look and I'm fine with it, but I still display mine with the New Adventures armor because I think it looks better, and I like the idea that the 1988 pitch evolved into New Adventures and paying homage to that.
Because of that Vykron bit and your high encouragement of part-swapping customization in general, a part of me wants to put He-Ro II's head on another figure to make my own He-Ro variant a la Thunder Punch/Flying Fists He-Man. But like, a "Thunder Punch He-Ro II". Or "Flying Fists He-Ro II". Or "Ninja He-Ro II". Or "Dentist He-Ro II". Or "He-Ro II if he was also Fisto II". Or whatever.
I've heard He-Ro II is controversial in the fanbase but I've personally grown to really like the guy.
Yeah for an odd reason some fans did not like him despite him being part of the brand since the 80's. I think most people like there stories to stay as they are, no change if you will. More here:
ruclips.net/video/G4sdKJnUv34/видео.html
Love your videos! I´work making toy commercials in Argentina and I apeciate very much all your knoweledge. Thanks!
Oh man, toy commercials in South America can do so much more vs. the restrictions we have in America. "not a flying toy".
I really wish that all the classics mini-comics could get collected release.
Oh me too! Let DC Comics know if you want to see this
@@spectorcreative1872 They did release it in 2015 search amazon for He-Man and the Masters of the Universe Minicomic Collection (DARK HORSE BOOK) Hardcover - Illustrated, November 3, 2015
He-Man and the Masters of the Universe Minicomic Collection (DARK HORSE BOOK) Hardcover - Illustrated, November 3, 2015
@@ElBlogiante That collects the old mini comics MOTU, She-ra, and New Adventurers, but only has "Powers of Greyskull" from classics.
@@JosephMason oooo
Ok this clears up a lot. I knew about he ro son of he man way before ever finding your channel but I always heard you talk about preternia he ro so I was wondering if I was making up the son of thing. Glad to hear I’m not crazy 😜
If anyone here is crazy it is clearly me
I just got He-Ro II along with Skeletor Lord of Galactic Evil or whatever he is was called for New Adventures last year and loved the figures. I'd love to see more done with those abandoned lines and figures.
Oh me too!
nice one Scott. here's hoping for a hero2 and skeleteen rise of evil 2pack for origins lol.
hero and hero 2 were also in the bundle I snagged last week. thanks for explaining why hero wasn't taking after his father in regards to style and grooming lol.
that cosmic key, space and time travel went in heavy for the team around the time of the 87movie. its really the key to explaining away continuity issues 30 years later and I aint complaining lol.
Now that is an origins pack I would get!
Another great video 👍👍, these informative videos tying in the universe of He-man help grow our hunger. Please continue, are there others in your archive that you suggest that will expand our knowledge that has been released on RUclips?
Well you should check out the Tales of Interest playlist on this channel
Wow. As soon as you left the change in management was quickly felt.
Someone needs to be there to fight the good fight
@@spectorcreative1872 true
Michael Moore will watch The Watchmen in his upcoming documentary called "Who Watches the Watchmen? Michael Moore".
Yeah. oops.
I wish you could continue the classics line with pre-ordering or Kickstarter to finish up alot of the great and amazing ideas and concepts you have and want to do.
Hey let Mattel know this is what you want!
Ever notice, how Prime from Malibu Comics looks almost identical to He-Ro?
I never did, but now I can't not
I actually really liked this figure the way it came in the package. I thought that's how he was supposed to look. Sort of a mix between classic He-Man and NA He-Man with the blue pants and blaster. Now I want to have both versions. One with the harness and loin cloth and one with the armor and blue pants. I actually got a Vykron for Christmas a few years ago, so I'm tempted. I'd have to buy another He-Ro II figure though, and perhaps another Vykron if I still wanted to display him as well. This was very interesting.
Well, glad the packout look was still a hit.
@@spectorcreative1872 I've decided to get another He-Ro II figure since they're relatively cheap now. It would be nice if someone could 3D print that cod piece though.
as an 80s kids, 200x was my Motu series, i think the time leap was just right, got their figures as well..
Glad you liked!
In my canon on my shelf, Dare, He-Ro II is the son of Princess Adora and Sea Hawk, raised on Eternia by He-Man and Teela.
Nice
These videos are great!
Well thank you! Feel free to share with friends online, it helps the channel a ton
Wow, this entire line & future line were meticulously well thought out! Too bad stuff happened that they couldn't be implemented properly. I have no issue w/ reuse of parts (because it tends to save the company money, which can be passed on to us as consumers), so long as it's done in a creative way. Too bad Spector Creative didn't stick around for the entirely of the MOTUC & POP lines for Mattel, because he has some ingenious ideas & tactics on how to implement them.
I wish I could have, but alas the situation changed too much and I had a family to think of. But I appreciate the kind words! It was all done with love
*Important Documents for Masters of the Universe*
(Some custodian)
"Probably nothing important"
I still cry about it. And UI did clearly label it too!
Great vid and very informative one,since i do not like The New Adventures of He-man way back when i was a kid it didnt have that luck luster appeal on me,but the He-ro of preternia man that i was dying to know more on i really want to have the insight on how it started 😅,from snakemen to horde,dinosaurs giants of preternia its really kinda cool for me, anf of course i almost forgot that techno organic virus hehehhehe cant recall if that was from hordeprime doing
I"ll do a video all about the techno organic virus and it's effect on Eternia soon
Okay, I'm running out to my MOTUC stands and going to change HE-RO the way his is supposed to look... Wish me luck ! AAaah!
Nice. And thank you
So perhaps a silly question however wasn't there some sort of (abreviated) "Backup copy" of the notes they threw out?
E.g. in the form of minutes of meetings you guys had at the time.
If only their was...
Finally I was really curious about He-ro's backstory and stuff
Really sorry about all the technical problems that happened after you left, sounds super frustrating =~=
Just one question left, what was She-ra doing during all this next generation thing?
She was there. We did a figure of her and I'll get to her video in release order!
So by the end He-ro is Adams son?
Crazy
Yes. Him and Teela
@@spectorcreative1872 that’s crazy
I like Skeletos better as a carry on name than skeletene lol
That kinda reminds me of the Zartan,
Zarana, Zandar carry on
So in a sense the story Hero morphs into the new he man and skeletene with mask, kinda leads the way for Keldor
It’s like creation in reverse lol
:-)
Been watching 200X and the figures for that show would have been pretty awesome. The Moss Man is pretty awesome and he is an awesome character in the show. This video was a bit too long and I got lost.
I try to keep them as short as possible. I'll keep this feedback in mind going forward
Dear Scott! Would you please tell us something about guard-parts of vintage MOTU swords being placed on "wrong" side of the handle? (sorry for asking this here, wasn't sure about other relevant platform). Love your videos, greetings from Hungary!
See here:
ruclips.net/video/_OOBX_BOv3w/видео.html
Of all the things to get lost, it was the thing that people seemed to question the existence of the most
And my mind
Scott, what I’m hearing from all of this is that you should never have left Mattel. Hahaha
If that had match Jakks' offer, I would have been glad to.
@@spectorcreative1872 We would’ve been glad, too. Hahaha
I really need to track down the comics and i know I want an encyclopedia and art books for sure.
Watchmen was designed to be told as a comic, i felt after i read it that it didn't make sense to make the movie. Im all about expanding franchises and packing my wallet but watchmen, just didn't feel like it was supposed to go there. Figures yes though!! Gimme gimme, V for vendetta too. Two very important books.
DC needs ot do a trade of all of these!
You were the Jack Kirby (as far as design and content ideas) of Classics.
That is a huge compliment!
I love to think about what could have happened to the MOTU Universe if it had lasted for a few more years after '87. Scott, I would love to see a video in which you give us a list (in your proposed order) of the figures you would have wanted to release in the Classics line had it gone on indefinitely.
I think a big reason it went downhill, at least why it did for me, where I’m pretty sure I stopped collecting after the evil horde were released and didn’t know about other characters like ninjor or scareglow until years later, was if filmation continued making more He-Man episodes, we would have still had an interest in it still. But having seen every episode a million times, we grew bored of it.
here you go:
ruclips.net/video/aq2mSvNmJ78/видео.html
@@spectorcreative1872 Awesome! Thanks Scott. I gave my thoughts on the vid itself, but I have to congratulate you on Lady Slither here too! She would have made a fantastic frenemy for King Hiss!
Interesting, indeed!
I love that you fond all the history possible and brought it out for all of us. But I do wonder, was there anything just too obscure or too wild that you found and could not bring into Classics for whatever reason?
We really tried to use everything. If I can think of any good ones that might be a good video to itself!
So, Adam had an adopted son...
I'm sure Teela was happy to have such a chaste husband.
Well in the MOTUC line it was Teela and Adam's biological son
@@spectorcreative1872 Oh good, I'm glad about that. I don't mean to offend anyone who's adopted, but too many times in comics (*cough cough Spiderman cough cough*) the kids get swept away in all sorts of dumb shenanigans (time travel, alternate reality, alternate dimension, ect). It's nice to see one of my heroes grew up and had a family of his own!
@@spectorcreative1872 so then is Fisto or Man-At-Arms his Uncle?
I know remember reading somewhere that seemed to hint that the kid may have been the son of - Adora and (edit) Sea Hawk. I think they might've disappeared while pursuing Hordak. Take that with a grain of salt if you will.
@@Goldenbane Don't forget what happened with Jon when Bendis took over the Superman book. The left hates the nuclear family.
Prior to this video, I got my first toy ad on your channel. Rainbow High, FTW! 🌈🥴
Nice! Toys sponsor toys
I like the blue armor blue pants. A "newer" He-ro you'd think would wear pants especially if it takes place after NA.
Hey, everyone looks better in pants
Do you have any insight into Mara from New Adventures ending up in the new Netflix She-Ra?
Alas, no, I know very little about the makings of this show
Really enjoy these videos, but would love them getting to the point faster
So noted! I appreciate the feedback and will work on that!
Woah, it's like I've been stuck in an alternate universe. Not much motu news reached me the last 20 years. I need to actually finish 2X... Don't judge, life's complicated. These stories sound fun and it's too bad we didn't get more cartoons.
Oh I am so for more 200X!
Ty for trying to keep he man alive so to speak
WE did try!
Looks cool 👍🏽
Truly it could have been
So the question is, if you could manage MOTU Brand again, would you?
Would you continue MOTUC with added articulation or make a whole new line (like the new 7 inch one coming soon)
If I was still running (or asked to help) on MOTU I would bring back Classics as a combo of never before done figures and core characters with new head sculpts and updated articulation and accessories
Whoah whoah whoah....that "Yoda's Dagobah Pencil Sharpener" had potential.
It should've been the "Flash Gordon's Wood Beast Challenge Pencil Sharpener" instead.
Hear that Hasbro, make it happen!
I'm so disappointed I missed out on the Classics line.
You are not the only one
He-Ro looks a lot like Prime from Malibu comics any idea the time line on this ? anything borrowed from the other or just coincidental? not accusing just wondering.
Not the first to bring this up but I honestly don't know!
As someone who ended up buying 3 Vikors to get all the looks for display, I would have been a little annoyed at having to get a 4th one to give Hero-II his barbarian look, to be honest considering until it got "clearanced out" was an expensive figure. I'm kind of glad they messed up the packaging. I wasn't a big fan of the New Adventures He-Man armor TBH anyway. Now New Adventures Teela would have been pretty sweet to see, and I love the New Adventures She-ra you guys did, although I wish she'd come with a helmet-less head.
So we actually had planned on having NA She-Ra come with a true She Ra maskl;ess head but it got cut due to cost
@@spectorcreative1872 That really was too bad. She was a gorgeous figure and the extra head would have accentuated it.
By the power of He-man! I am He-ro! Lols awesome!
It is isn't it?
is there a comic that continues this story ?
Wow I wish they went kept with the original plans it would have been awesome
WE can only dream
Where did the image of King He-Man sitting like Conan come from?
It is fan art!
I notice that the Kay-La character has a cross on her badge that looks exactly like He-man's.
Yup. Logos are used to link characters together.
16:06 Alan Moore, not Michael Moore.
Oh wow, did I say Michael Moore? oops.
Wound up laughing at that since it was the part of the video where he’s talking about all the mistakes made with the He-Ro comic....and then flubs Alan’s name. 🤦🏻♂️😆😆😆
Michael Moore is he libtard isn’t he?
I assume Mattel didn’t allow back up copies of the now lost He-Ro bible to be made to prevent such an accident, I suppose not allowing copies in order to protect their IP.
Plus really bad record keeping
Sir,, do you think they will do He-Ro, and He-Ro II, Dare and his bird in Origins?
It all depends on if kids get into the Origins line or not
@@spectorcreative1872 thank you for replying. You are a man of your word. Rare in the RUclips world. Just one more if you don't mind. Do you feel this will be a success? I saw your video about buying one for a kid ect. But some of us can't do that. I wish I could. I can barely afford one figure a month (gotta love being furloughed). So what do you think sir? I really truly believe the Netflix show will help sells bigtime and will hopefully get us all the way to a Snake Mountain, Fright Zone, even an Eternia playset!!!! Could you imagine a Eternia after so many of us could never afford it as a child! So do you think it'll go great? And when is the Netflix shows coming out (that's me the one question. My apologies. But thank you if to could respond)?
sword of Power was base on the Elric Novels & Hawkmoon
Well, now I know why He-Ro II's design always kind of felt like a mess to me. But to my eyes, the blue harness looks good with the blue pants, it's the gold/tan gloves and tan boots that look weird with the rest of the ensemble.
The pack out still kills me!
"My name is Dare, son of He-Man. This is my friend Feathers. Mystical powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my father's sword and said "By the Legend of GreySkull! I protect the Power!"
"Feathers became the fierce BattleBird. I am helped by my closest friends, Sir Laserlot, Mighty Spector, Kayla, and Orko! Together we protect the timeline of Eternia from The Unnamed One and his servants of time! I am He-Ro, and the Masters of Legend!"
Oh if only!
@@spectorcreative1872 it's not clean, or edited well, but I thought of the continuing story with new characters mixed with a new premise. Glad you liked my "pitch"!
and once again I say that's what I like about the line. Take what could have been and make it so. This video got me to thinking. Ok. You say running out of characters to do. So if a second modern day create a figure contest wasn't an option why not create some new one's in house? Was it because the Masters line was a side project and not y our main job?
We did create new ones in house. Lady Slithor is one example!
@@spectorcreative1872 oh. oops. My bad. Didn't know.
What happens to He-ro 1 after He-ro 2 returns to his time ?
He keeps fighting the good fight. See issue 1 of the MOTUC mini comics
Love your show! Do you ever think about going back to Toy making?
Glad you enjoy! And I never left. ;-) I now consult with toy companies through Spectorcreative.com and I will be launching my own line of product later this year!
@@spectorcreative1872 will it be collector oriented or like for kids?
What do you think of DC and Motu injustice crossover
I dug it.
Say Spector Creative you know what I would've done had I been in your position in Mattel? I'd have taken the old comic version of He-man's origin where he was a shepard's son & used it for part of the origin of King Grayskull.
Hey a valid story as well and part of why their is now a Masters-verse
What I wouldn't give for at least an extra wave dedicated to these SOH characters, good and evil ones cleverly mixed up. The saddest part in all of this hibernation thing regarding Classics is that it definitely killed the fun for me. So much that I didn't even celebrate my Snake Mountain arrival the way it deserves. The flame got extinguished, for good. 😑 OnlyOneSkeletor
Oh me too!
So in the pitch that evolved into New Adventures, you said He-Ro II has the same armor as He-Man.
Would he have worn silver armor like the current toy, or gold armor like actual New Adventures He-Man?
Silver
He-Ro looks like Prime from Ultraverse
Kinda does!
it was called Eternal Sword Of Champions how it became The Black sword Eater Of Souls. sounds Like Samrai story s way of the Sword & eho control s it
It would be nice if Mattel created a King Grace skull action figure.
They did! Twice in the Classics line
@@spectorcreative1872 Wow! I never knew they created a King Grace Skull figure. Thank you for replying.
The canon origin of He-Ro is that he is King Adam's nephew, the son of Adora and Sea Hawk!!
Actually, the canon is he is Adam and Teela's biological kid. See the MOTUC mini comic # 6
not anymore :0
Now this IS lost in history.
Sad I know
Bjorn I have the the Privilege!
I always figured dare (series bible1) was the son of keldor and evil lynn dumped in a future and raised by jungle animals who end up moving in with him and pulling filmation level shenanigans. and is a biter (marvel also gave He-man a son but he looked like man at arms more than adam and teela never told him of his parentage and neither did adam) theres also adora and sea hawks brat (the mouse fears him you know small kids and small obkects right?) and eventually would need to fight his mom as other dare would need to fight skeletor who figures out what evil lynn did and laugh at the irony of his son becoming a successor to he-man
any concolation if I got this I would put the silver armor on and just keep it that way)
While their was some speculation about this, non of the vintage story bibles went in this direction
@@spectorcreative1872 well funny is he comes back from space and discovers he has a kid he could develop like the marvel version
the concept animation pics here make me think of "skeleton warriors" and "sectuars" cartoons. Goofy Side note: I had buzz off and spidrac be aliens from the sectuar planet in my fictions. It not cannon anymore though. 😆
That is awesome!
There should be Mortal Kombat style MOTU fighting games.
Make it happen Universal!
If they make this movie and do not include you it will be a damn shame... please make sure you talk to whoever is at Mattel and make sure that they make sure it happens.
Oh they have my contact info and can always get me at Spectorcreative.com
Matel. Was realy Reading into Slot of lore mostly A lot of Michael moorcock stories &. Conan And Tarzan. novels
Why did Classic's not have the Dinosaur's. Like Bionatops?
Too much 1 time tooling
@@spectorcreative1872 Bionatops was to much tooling yet. Beast man's Griffin was made. And Battle Lion. But Bionatops would have been to much Tooling. no.
He looks better with the harness and the pants.
Well everyone looks better with pants
So, I’m gonna ask (sorry), what are your feelings on what Keven Smith has done with or to HE-MAN?
I’ve done multiple videos on this! Check the latest uploads!
@@spectorcreative1872 Ah, thank you.
im sure some1 else pointed this out but...
alan moore not michael moore
wrote the watchmen
Yup. Someone else did point that out! oops
A correction on the Flash characters. The Flash characters are not designated as "Flash I", "Flash II", "Flash III". They are called by their "Real Names". Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, Wally West, so on. Among fans the names are so common they don't say "The Flash" when talking about one of these Flash characters. They are treated to some extent as if they were part of a team, or "The Flash Family", or as if "The Flash" was a title. The timelines/multi-verse/lack of a multiverse are complicated and changing enough that it's difficult to say "The Second Flash" let alone "Flash II" since in-world there may or may not have been a Barry Allen at any time.
Yes, but in licensor kits and in the industries this is how the names are used (just FYI). But you do bring up a great point
I much prefer the name He-Ro being used for the son of Adam and Teela rather than a previous hero
Or being an adoptive son
Well hey a little for everyone
Sorry Scot t I know I asked this before. No worries if you don't remember. But in the link you put in this video Description to the .org thread about this, there's a transcription of the page from this bible that you showed at SDCC on the the 'Icarius or Flipshot' slide.
On the first line of the transcription there's a character name that cant quite be made out, something like Madre? Are able to confirm the spelling of this name and give us any details/description about the character please?
Thanks.
I'm guessing Mara from New Adventures. All the New Adventures figures were in this bible
@@spectorcreative1872 thanks for the reply Scott. The name looks like it has 5 letters though. Maybe an early spelling of Mara similar to the Icarius/Flipshot type thing.
I dont suppose you have that one 'Icarius or Flipshot?' silde with the page on do you that you could look at or even post? As the transcript on post #14 on the Org thread was done from a photo someone in the crowd took, so would be great to see it in a better resolution with the text more clear.
No worries if not, I'm just fascinated by this SoHM 88 bible is all and cant believe this piece of MOTU history is likely lost forever.
Hero was Influenced by. Hawkmoon
All I know is, if in 1987, I got He-Ro and not He-Man I would have been vert upset.
Lucky time travel is not yet possible
Fun Fact: Alan Moore cringes every time he watches Bowling For Columbine!
What a slip of the tongue!
You stolen my line!
I found it weird they decided to change New Adventures from being about He-Man's son taking place in a future era to being about He-Man being sent to said future era. That plot point really confuses me and I would have preferred He-Ro II to be the main character
Yeah it could have been much different
he's like bizarro He-man lmao.
I always thought that was faker?