Fat Mike: Why GOOD CHARLOTTE is in the Punk Rock Museum (NOFX)
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2023
- Fat Mike of NOFX talks about why Good Charlotte is in the Punk Rock Museum
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I used to be an elitist with punk. I would get soooo mad when people would call Blink, Greenday and others punk. Then i matured and realized they are all punk. Just a different part of punk
Pop punk for sure!
Listen to those old Offspring albums. They rip.
Well I guess this is growing up
Blink is dope
Rock Show is still my favorite love song.
I think afi is another one of those bands who people nowadays might not consider punk but they very much are they just happened to cross over in a major way at one point
AFI is fire even now the line fly the blag flag over the west coast from escape from LA is very much punk you can hear it in daveys delivery
100 percent. AFI doesn't get the credit they deserve when they were pure punk rock. I used to take drumming g lessons from their drummer, and watching him play was magic. I like Fat Mike's approach towards the museum.
I’ve long been of the mindset that *every* AFI record is good once you stop giving a fuck about the “punk” label. I might “like” some of their records more than others, but I LOVE them all.
I'd put AFi in 100 times before i stop wincing at GS but it's not my museum
AFI used to be punk as fuck
Being a 90’s punk kid, there isn’t a more exclusionary genre than punk. Still love it, but let’s not pretend it’s some all inclusive love fest.
Totally agree. Punk Rock just like Metal is as gatekeeping as it gets.
@@danielsolano330metal is WAAAAAAY worse but yeah if you are anything but pure punk they shit on you especially if you start punk and go punk rock like say blink and the offspring. Ska fans will get pretty gate keepy as well.
How were you excluded? Let me guess, somebody hurt your feelings? If you were excluded then someone was a dick. That dick doesn't represent punk rock. That dick is just in the company of an asshole and balls.
I'm a '90s punk kids too and I'm definitely not in the scene anymore, but I've brought my kids to plenty of shows, and it's changed a lot. Metal has gotten even more exclusionary over time, but some of the edges of the punk scene have softened while other parts have sharpened or hardened. Just wanted to share my experience from the Seattle area scene.
Correct
That means a lot coming from Mr. "it's my job to keep punk rock elite" himself.
I was thinking the same thing 😂
Elitists are everywhere.
I always thought that song was satirical lol.
Always thought it paired nicely with Kill Rock Stars.
@@m00k61 be goes out of his way to be a nasty POS to people because that's punk rock. He's awful
MCR and Thursday should be in the museum tbh
Pretty sure they have sections on the modern punk level (at least I remember some Thursday memorabilia)
I had an opinion like a lot of kids that grew up with punk when Good Charlotte came out. I had my opinions of their music and the guys that played in the band. They were the punchline to jokes for me and my friends. I ended up meeting the Benji through friends and went to his house for a party. He was the nicest super humble guy. Extremely normal and super down to earth. Definitely changed me and made me less judgmental of people I haven’t met in real life.
Not to mention good Charlotte brought a lot of new punk fans into the scene
You'd be surprised, I know a whole bunch of guys that scoff if you mention NOFX and call them pop. I've never heard of any of the bands they named.
Just because you hung out with them doesn’t make them good mate 😂 you’re blinded by the fact someone famous gave you attention lol
sure, people is just people but that doesn´t mean they didn´t became more and more pop and turn away de movement, nothig change, one thing is them as persons and other, their work as artists, as bands and the impact and legacy.
@@davidmcdonald3780 and jerks like you keep the negative band shaming in punk rock alive ugh
One of my favorite photos I have is myself with Fat Mike and Joel from Good Charlotte at 2002s Warped Tour. Punk AF
Posers.
I hate when people always said blink-182, green day, Whatever pop punk band, "tHeY ArrrEe nOt PuNK" man, punk has A LOT of subgenres, hardcore punk, skate punk, post hardcore, post punk, melodic hardcore, POP PUNK. Glad Mike put GC in the museum.
i remember them saying that about rancid and bad religion back in the day. hell, in the late 80s a lot of elitests said the ramones werent true punk.
@@MrEek11 what! Ramones are like the Beatles of punk, idk if they invented punk as a hole genre but they are up there. Cheers man!
They Came to conquer … URANUS 😎🎸🔥
@@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial love Scott era! Dude Ranch, They Come To Conquer are good stuff.
@@itschavez115 my favorite too! Cheshire Cat and Dude Ranch are legendary albums!
"Young and the hopeless" still one of my favorite albums brings back so many good memories and just solid songs
Finn this is a great interview. You’re the man!
Pop punk, melodic hardcore punk, and skate punk are not all synonymous. And they all have their merits.
Pop punk is garbage fake punk
Skate punk is just pop punk with uglier dudes and hardcore is more athletic
@Swampcrypt I respect your opinions but disagree.
Yeah gatekeeping should stop. Like because bands got popular they shouldn’t be added.
And like how a murderer gets on the list but some perceived racist band doesn't. Your right gatekeeping should stop especially from self proclaimed historians.
I have always loved the song First Call🎉 Rock on Mike! We love you.❤
Fat Mike interview! Hell yeah!
“These critics and these trust fund kids / Try to tell me what punk is
/ But when I see them on the street they got nothing to say.” - Young and Hopeless. Good Charlotte walked the walk.
This
I’m here for Fat Mike’s wholesome phase 😂
For claiming to be individual and thinking for themselves. Punk has the most rules of any scene I've encountered
Hahahaha. Facts. Glad someone else in the comments gets it. Punk has always been completely disingenuous and fake. Completely aligned with power at every opportunity. Fake rebellion at its finest. Raging on behalf of the machine rather than against it.
The only thing you need in a punk rock museum is a shitty couch that smells like beer. And Fred Armisen to manage it. Maybe some feedback on a broken PA. The rest is implied by said shitty couch.
The mental gymnastics I just witnessed was quite impressive.
I dont care what you call Geenday or Good Charlotte. American idiot was my first album and Good Morning Revival was a very early one. Very influential in my music taste today
Have you heard any of the pre-Dookie Green Day stuff?
Fat Mike said A Green day do not Consider as a Punk Band. Dammit he did put Green day on the Museum,iThink. 🤔😞
Damn your childhood sucked
@@boofert.washington2499 I think you missed the whole point
@@WessStewart That's the real good stuff. For better or worse I gave up on green day when Dookie came out. Their roadie gave me a demo cassette in early 1993 of 4 songs that ended up on Dookie and I LOVED it. But once dookie came out I hated the overblown recording.
Warped tour in somerset Wisconsin 2002-ish… it got rained out. We all waited for nofx so they came out to play an acoustic set. Good Charlotte came out and tried to play along and I just remember fat mikes face, just a grimace and a complete dead look of “what the fuck happened??”. lol wish we had camera phones then but many of us didn’t. I didn’t get a cell until 2003
Ik people aren’t gonna like hearing this but I think gg allin needs to be in there
GG should have his own museum, he’s more punk than punk
Too punk for punk😅
Definitely should be in it , especially since they tossed in Good Charlotte ..!?
No, you are right
I actually found a lot of iconic bands from GC stickers on the guitars and T-shirt like Nofx , Mest , Rancid and others more .
Killing someone is forgivable, but don't you dare say bad words.....
Yea for real. What a hypocrite. He’s totally fine with fang and doesn’t want to “cancel bands” but then he said he does exactly that if someone he considered homophobic/racist. I could see why he wanted to change the subject at the end, he knows how dumb he sounds. That’s like excluding hitler from a museum bc he was racist. Should geo Washington not be in a museum? Martin Luther king and Malcolm x didn’t love the gays.
Cant wait to see it. Wish it was somewhere besides Vegas, but it is what it is. The actual rock and roll hall of fame (had or has) a Naked Raygun flyer in it, so thats punk.... but anyway, it looks cool enough to check out
Finn and mike. legendary.
Love you Fatius Mikesonsmith. Keep doin whatcha doin.
Punk is an attitude not whether or not you have major label contract.
Do it yourself, make it yourself, tour on your own skin, write about what is "real" to you, over cliches or what will "sell".
I saw Fang 26 years back at the Gilmans, wild show.
Of course he’s not putting skrewdriver in. The whole hardcore scene is run by djoos now
He drinks Spindrift - I like those too! The lemon flavor is kickass
Their first 3 albums are fucking excellent
Yeah, just wish they had released 'Cardiology' straight after 'Chronicles', rather than the 'Revival'
How is racism and homophobia worse than literally murdering someone over heroin
It’s not.
@@gnarlynomad7792 Fat Mike seems to think it is
Literally astounding
Well does the guy glorify murder in his music I would think that would be the difference.. screwdriver straight up has songs called white power.
@@jimmysmith8663 Okay he still murdered his girlfriend and took her life. That's way worse than just saying something racist. He literally took an innocent's person's life over drugs, a life that can't be brought back over something so petty. If you somehow think its better to murder someone than to be racist you have a serious problem.
I would have never found Nofx without good charlotte. I was like 12, and no one I knew listened to punk. I was in love with Benji, and I would look up the bands on his shirts.
"it's all inclusive, unless you are a....", that doesn't sound like all inclusive 😂😂😂
Good Charlotte was my true introduction to forming my own tastes of music. Before that it was whatever pop was drilled into me by the radio. Then one fateful day the music vid for Lifestyles of the rich and the famous came on and I was in awe. Mainly it was Benjis hair that got me 😂 but from then on I would start to find my own tastes and influences in music
Crazy, that what it was for me. That or blink 182 enema of the state
Green Day started punk but ended up being way more influenced by bands like "The Who"
That's a good point. They did go full rock opera.
We’re not Punk Rock Police
Punk is inclusivity
No, we’re not putting in Skrewdriver, because they’re actively, well, not actively racist….
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Good Charlotte would’ve been in the museum regardless, but I’m pretty sure the Madden Bros are investors too.
Exactly.
The Fat Mike Punk Museum featuring only bands that Fat Mike likes, but all inclusive!
"Now especially" about Foo Fighters. Ouch RIP Taylor lol.
I love Good Charlotte ❤
Everyone in Parkway Drive was doing Punk Rock before they formed the band. They should probably be included as well.
"That kid wearing the green day shirt could kick the kid wearing the blink 182 shirts ass"
Fat Mike at a concert at some point in history
Actually He said "that kid wearing the nirvana shirt would kick the kid wearing the blink shirt"
I'm pretty much impressed on how your comment is somehow almost a page from a comic book.
I've never seen(saw?) that done before.
The point I always bring up when people start to gatekeep punk rock is this: Before the music industry and radio stations wanted to make it more commercially viable and distance themselves from the "punk stigma" by relabeling some of it as "New Wave", bands like Blondie and The Talking Heads were considered punk bands.
Punk rock in its infancy didn't have a specific "sound" or a "look", and was much more diverse and inclusive than it became after that initial first wave of bands.
Yes, there were bands like The Clash, The Ramones, The Sex Pistols, The Dead Boys, etc., but they weren't solely what punk rock was, and when people try to say "x" band isn't punk rock based on some arbitrary criteria that wasn't even present when punk rock was arguably at its commercial peak, I point them back to the history of punk rock itself.
I fucking love that LeeWay shirt. Underated crossover thrash metal ❤
i agree about punk rock scene is inclusive . in the 1980’s i was jumped in an anthrax concert because i had short hair, you would never in a million years see that happening in a punk rock gig every punk rock gig i ever been to people are welcoming wish i could say the same thing about rock..
Hmmmm, you should probably watch The Decline of Western Civilization. The early LA punk scene was just as bad or worse. They had an entire crew dedicated to beating up "posers" and specifically targeted dudes with long hair, they did the exact same shit. Violence and rape were VERY common back then in the scene. Look up the Suicidal Cycos gang. Maybe where you're from it was different or you came along after things got toned down, but in all the big scenes like LA and NY it was definitely NOT all lovey-dovey and acceptance.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the fact you've had nothing but positive experiences, but your comment is coming from a very...uninformed point of view when you consider the scene on a larger scale than your own personal experience.
It's just that lifestyles of the rich and famous is an awesome song and they did that times hundred after it.
I wonder if they have Sublime and Street light manny in the museum.
"You can't cancel bands" ...so here's how we cancelled bands...lol
He's saying you cannot cancel them for things in the past using todays standards for things that were more acceptable at the time. Not that you can never cancel bands for any reason ever.
If this was the 'punk' that I discovered as a teen in the mid 80's I would've avoided it like the plague.
"let's move on"...
@@slados1 Is that supposed to mean something?
@@chrisfurius if you watch the video, I think you'll be able to piece it together
@@slados1 No thanks. I scrolled through briefly and saw all I could take. It'll just have to remain a mystery.
2:25 what does "now, especially" mean? do the Foos have a punk rock drummer?
Yeah. Taylor died and it's josh freeze from the vandals
@@bobbygilberto9678 yeah this was before they announced it was Josh taking Taylor's place, but Fat Mike clearly knew
one day i will see it all for myself, hopefully... is DEVO in the punk museum anywhere?
I'm a "Metal head" as far as looks. But i listen to punk , goth, fucking jazz lol the genres never end. And i rap freestyle for sport with my Juggalo homies. Music is art, art is human, all humans are equal. ❤
It's interesting to me to see exactly how determined old school punks will be to not let modern woke cancel culture dictate their social, mental and cultural reality. I believe the song " Guilty Of Being White" may well be that battleground.
too late. punk is woke now. shit sucks
Yeah I'm not the biggest 'mainstream pop punk band' fan, but like it or not that is a part of the tapestry of the history of punk rock.
As a great man once said: It belongs in a museum!
it was a good new sound of punk before it got too oversaturated, people forget punk started as a melodic semi poppy genre anyway with ramones etc but somehow pop punk isnt real punk
I wouldn't frame it so much as "You can't cancel bands for what their views were when it was somewhat acceptable" so much as "If they aren't truly hateful and grew past it" kind of deal. Remember, in their early years a lot of these bands were 14, 15. 16 year old dudes and gals. Idk about you all, but I said and did some pretty shitty things at that age that I've regretted for a very long time.
Man I found about so many good bands from Good Charlotte lyrics or the stickers they had on their guitars.
Those first 2 albums are timeless
Fat Mike keeps punk rock elite. I am glad he is saying shit like this.
Good Charlotte got me and probably a ton of other people into rock music. They deserve it
“You can’t cancel bands” the best statement I heard today kudos to you new adventures Fat Mike
Right wingers are trying their best to cancel everything under the sun, wouldn't surprise me if they try to cancel punk all together because it is "non-conformist" which is what they hate the most....
He meant retroactively, its in the context of his statement. If people do fked up stuff now you can stop support and shun but if you get into an old band you cant hold them to today’s standards
@@juliancornejo1402 In the future "cancelled bands" will be considered the real punk rock that was too dangerous to be included in a mainstream museum like Fat is pimping..
Yet he does cancel bands himself. A hypocrite.
Uhhh, did you not hear him? He does cancel bands he doesn’t agree with. The part how it was a “private company” and he can do what he wants. Totally ignoring a large part of the punk culture in 80’s + and acting like it didn’t exist. Doesn’t sound like something a “museum” should do.
It’s hard to imagine anything less punk rock than a punk rock museum.
I agree with him on skrewdriver, thing is the most public former member is mark radcliffe is a British national treasure quit the band due to their politics later went to work for factory records and radio one. I applaud the guy because he actually became one of the most ardent anti nazi's in the uk punk scene worked with bands like chumbawumba(worked with), Magazine (worked with), cardiacs (worked with) and white town(championed them on his radio show) etc. apparently it was really heavy for him because the boneheads used to send him death threats for years etc.
Lifestyles of the rich and the famous- in
Back with a bang-out
LMAO Fat Mike can't explain himself so "let's move on"
Please tell me Hasil Adkins made the cut in the museum.
skrewdriver is awesome lol
Fat Mike isn't stupid. He knows putting those lame mainstream bands in (Avenged Sevenfold?) is what's going to drive traffic. It has nothing to do with "punk", it's selling those $20 tickets.
In the future those bands he's cancelling will be considered the "real punk rock".
Is blink in the museum?
So Good Charlotte is in. How about Busted? That band that didnt bother to have a drummer
Had a live drummer.
I absolutely loved The Chesire & Dude albums by Blink in the mid/late 90s but couldn't really say it because they blew up and wasn't considered Punk. Today I don't give a shit, I'll play the shit out of those two albums. It's fast, fun and catchy af.
Defend punk❤
I LOVED the song First Call at a certain time in my life that i can't really speak all that much about, other than I was doing a lot of cocaine and spending weekday mornings at the bar with crusty bastards watching the price is right. One could argue that that was both the lowest or highest time of my life depending on how much you weigh nihilistic hedonism. I haven't done drugs in years and would absolutely not do that now, but there's a part of me that's glad i did it. You only appreciate the boring life of a square if you've lived the alternative.
Hear, hear! I know that dance a little too well myself. Thank god we lived through it and appreciate the boring life nowadays.
@@MikeP2055 hell yeah brother. I'll never forget the times of coming down from the cocaine high while chilling with ol' Gus and the boys at 9am at the dive bar watching Drew Carey. We had a grand old time.
It's just like, if I kept doing that, I would probably be long dead by now. But I still cherish those memories.
You need to have the goo goo dolls in the museum. People do not believe me that they are actually a punk band
I guess Incubus?
I saw the goo goo Dolls open for DRI and Gang Green in 1988. They were an amazing punk band before they crossed over.
Gross 😅
They really are a good punk band. I stumbled across that as well. Downloaded an old album and was blown away.
I used to be a gatekeeper of music, and then I realized good music is good music. Nowadays, people are considering bad religion and NOFX "pop punk." People called The Clash punk...in my opinion they were WAY more than punk( if even punk at all aside from their views and "style." From what I've gathered punk, it's a modified version of what Spicoli said "Well Stu I'll tell you, being "punk" is not a sport, it's a way of life, it's no hobby. It's a way of looking at life and saying, "Hey bud, let's party!"
To test this fully I wonder if Mike put GG Allins jock strap in there?
HUsker Du has "First of the Last Calls."
Simple plan needs to be in there
Are Atari Teenage Riot in there? They probably won't be very receptive to the invitation, but you should consider them Fat Mike.
Funny how punk rock is anti-establishment and all about anarchy, but some ‘punks’ want to enforce these sets of rules on other people.
Simple plan and sum 41 are where I draw the line lol.
Why does Punk Rock MBA have no coverage of Duane Peters or US Bombs.
I don’t wanna sound like a dick but whoever listened to the whole hour of this interview, more power to ya. I almost had a heart attack listening to mike stutter and have a hard time talking the whole time. Did something happen to him or was it the signal of the interview? It’s giving me anxiety trying to watch/listen to this.
He’s been like that for a few years now. Just go read/listen his interview about how he wrote the last Blink-182 song that was then not chosen as a single because they found out he wrote it.
@@xcarlupanddiex ohhhhhh. Yeah I’m not making fun of him and I really wanted to watch the hour long episode but I just couldn’t get past it. Unfortunately.
Cocaine is a helluva drug
cocaine and alchohol abuse catches up to everyone when they hit 50
Mike pushed his “I do whatever I want” lifestyle too far and now NOFX is breaking up because he can’t stay sober. Started off as the sober one and then became more of a junkie than any of them. I pray for him.
I was thinking about FEAR as he said it. I think they own up to the older stuff and seemed to be pissed at one of the skinheads having a FEAR tattoo in American History X
The stuff I was listening to at 15, was not Punk Rock enough.
Fear can be a tough listen now that I'm grown
“Punk rock is the most inclusive”
Outside of metal, the sub genres of punk are the least inclusive in all of music. That’s just facts.
Has anyone else ever heard the rumor that Blag from the Dwarves got paid to secretly ghost write a lot of the material on Good Charlotte's "lifestyles" album?
Is gg in the museum?
A band like Nomeansno is undeniably punk and every doctrinaire hardcore punk I knew when I was a kid *hated* them. I could list so many other examples and I'm sure you could too.
One if the best early PHC bands
I wonder if he put his fave band offspring in
I hope the beastie boys are included even though they are everywhere but they were punk
It's timely that I stumbled on this clip. I recently gave Goo Goo Dolls 'A Boy Named Goo' a spin for shits and gigs, and man, they were very much a pop-punk outfit in their early days. I wonder if they can make the museum lol
I think its an intriguing consideration, just based on how popular they were, but i don't know how influential to punk rock they were
Listen to their record Jed from 1989. They definitely have punk roots.
@@MrChainsaw80 😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
I wonder if he put skramz in there or Christian punk bands?
At the end of the day I think the line should’ve been drawn at it’s a private museum and we can put whoever we want in there. Don’t get me wrong, I understand and actually agree with everything he said lol. But it does feel like cherry picking and trying to justify the decisions to take some bands but deny others makes it worse because it never really cleared anything up, at least to me. I should preface though, I have no idea who screwdriver is or what they did. So with that said, yes but no. Mad respect tho. Love fat Mike.
Did he put screeching weasel in?
He better have lol
When did punk rock become so safe?
I blew my fucking knee out in San Diego during the codefendants! Thanks fast Mike. I'm out 9 months now!
I wish fat Mike was this open when I was a kid. Would have saved me a lot of shit