I saw this coming, and it's interesting to see it verified. I have a supercharged e36 m3 and i was contemplating getting a bigger TB myself, but with supercharged applications, when you open things up (headers, exhaust, even cylinder heads) if boost isn't increased with it, while you're adding airflow, you're losing boost, which likely explains why it took a few runs for your ECU to compensate. I bet if you hooked up a boost gauge, you'd see a 1 to 2 PSI drop in manifold pressure. Turbo cars have a boost reference, so if you open THOSE up, you increase airflow, and your boost will stay the same because the reference doesn't change. Essentially those mods allow you to run the same boost with less heat, meaning less timing ret and not having to worry about detonation on a blower car.
@@BigCool95 correct, but that doesn't necessarily make more HP. Just that same power at a lower PSI. That being said, untuned cars (with the bypass valve still opening) would probably see a much more significant increase in power increase. Same with other intake, and exhaust mods.
Thanks for the good info. I'm no longer in any rush to buy an ultra charger now. Once you're stage 2, single or DP, I feel like cooling and fuel are the most important things for these cars.
Wow! Great video as always. To say that I too was underwhelmed would be an understatement. Seeing as how this is the wife's car, after the stage 2 pulleys/tune with the intercooler, I may be at my modification end of the ol' S5. Thank you for doing this. Confirms all of the back and forth talk I have read.
I'm not surprised at all, but I am not disappointed either. That was pretty much what I expected and you measured it at the wheels. If you raced yourself without the modification, you would lose. It seems that a lot of the intake and exhaust parts on the cars are pretty good from factory on the 3.0 and changing just one part is like having a straw that is 30% larger, in only one section. You did it the proper way. One part and then see what it does. Too many people do 2+ parts which either work together to get more power and then divide or estimate the differences which don't tell us what is going on.
Well, I've got to admit I had a feeling this was going to be the results. I truly believe the gains from the throttle body come from when the supercharger is ported because that is allegedly the restriction/choke point. I think when/if I do pull the trigger I'm just going to buy it and send it off straight away with a blower to be port matched.
LOL should have read your comment first. Same thing I Was thinking. I wonder what the numbers look like with the supercharger ported and big throttle body.
I was super excited to see what was going to happen... I was also thinking of upgrading to a bigger throttle body in the future, reason why i haven't was because most of the after market manifolds (2.0T) is supported for the OEM throttle body and not the up-sized one... So when i saw your new throttle body came with that bottle neck extended piece i knew the gains will probably not be as much 🤷 and you confirmed it for me... Thank you 🤣👌 but it sucks that the gains was so little... I think if it was possible the get a/supercharger / manifold that was supported for that bigger size throttle body it would of have made a much bigger difference
Hi Adam, love your videos! It is interesting that top of 4th in your car is just under 200 km/h whereas in the facelift (B8.5) it is around 210 km/h (130 mph). Perhaps, that is why it is a bit harder to run 10's in the B8's. Just an off topic question, what motor oil do you use in your cars?
That is because the B8.5's have different gear ratios. That's why it is so much easier to run 10's in a B8.5 rather than a B8. I use Motul 8100 X-Cess 5W40 in the S4 and Motul 300V 5W40 in the RS3.
probably helps with throttle response...it might create a slight velocity stack effect but still tapers down to original throttle size opening. I don't know but if you can port the manifold/SC opening but that may help more.
Gah! Sounds like 10's may still be a few mods away. Was also hoping for more power but impressed to see how its available throughout the entire range. Maybe it will be more noticeable when you are behind the wheel?
@@VancityAudi I knew something didn’t add up because your car runs low 11s/hi 10s in the 1/4 mile and 458awp just doesn’t seem like enough for a car of your weight. But because it is a Mustang dyno, you are probably over 500awhp on a Dynojet. I’m thinking around 520-530awhp. Looking to make a purchase soon myself. Just kinda hard because I already have a car I’m working on..1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse AWD. But I definitely want a nice daily that can put it down when I need and cruise when I want. Great content and I hope to see more. When I want to learn about the S4.. I search for your videos.
@toney Clayton thank you for watching. The B8/8.5 community tend to go by Mustang dyno numbers, so that's what I used for this particular build. To get Dynojet numbers off of this dyno the shop multiplies the results by 1.15, so according to these tests, I would have actually made 526whp Dynojet.
I would love to compare my setup with yours. I'm also in Van. I have full APR setup. I'm set up for 94 octane tho. On a C7 A7. Thanks for the useful vids!
@@VancityAudi It looks like I will be. I noticed a big jump in power through out the gears when I put the throttle body in. It was the last piece to go in, similar to your set up.
Everyone has to understand that the inlet of the sc where TB is bolted to is 70mm. It doesn’t matter how big of a tb you mount on it, the bottleneck is still there. There is not much material you can grind off, but you can port it to 75mm, then you’ll see results. All these companies selling this overpriced mopar product are.. well..kinda misleading people. 30whp is bs. Port the supercharger also the inlet to 75mm and ofcourse portmatch the flange itself, then do an update. Best of luck.
I’ve seen quite a few people say this so I would agree with you. but based off of masterolus UC PORTING video, he makes a statement that anything that helps prevent turbulence in the supercharger inlet flow is beneficial. An 80mm tb may not flow more air in but it may help smooth the inlet flow
@@VancityAudi you’re absolutely wrong Adam. Brett was top notch when communicating with me, keeping me updated. The port/welds looked amazing on the supercharger. Everything was super clean. My IAT’s are lower and my top end so much stronger. They relaxed my supercharger bearings too that were going bad. I highly very highly recommend you go with Jokerz performance ported blower. Worth every penny and peace of mind. I hope you do go with Jokerz and test the true power gains of the best port on the market.
@@VancityAudi I’ve read only negative reviews and withheld from sending my blower off to them for a long time because of that. But decided to give them a shot. A CNC port will always out do a hand port, and stay consistent with results. Everytime I texted Brett, he called me the same day, let me know how it’s going and when I’ll be getting my supercharger back, talked to me about the bearings, and literally answered every question I had concerning the port, and other ideas I had to make more power. They do amazing work with Other blowers, even big companies like Forza P. And Tuning recommend Brett. After getting charger back I inspected it inside out and I was absolutely amazed at the clean work they did with mine. I initially sent the supercharger in to them with my bypass valve, they took it off and forgot to send it back to me. I texted Brett, within 10 minutes he replied and mailed me a new bypass valve with Next Day Air. If thats not customer service, I don’t know what is. Please look into it.
lol 6 hp you are paying 700 bucks for 80 mm throttle body and u gaining only only 6 hp and 7 tq wtf not worth spending 700 plus tax and shipping fuck that.
On 034 website they have the cfm charts posted im not sure if intergrated does but judging by 034s cfm numbers and the size of the throttle body and adapter coupled with 034 4in intake on paper it should flow more. It would be a good video if you compared both throttle bodys side by side on the dyno….
@@ciscogalvan4174 that flow chart is from the company's website that made the part. That isn't non-biased, haha. Sadly I'll never use an 034 part on this vehicle. I will never represent a company has sh$t morals and ethics.
@@VancityAudi throttle body on and I was stage 2 tune so I got the dual pulley tune now, should be good for 450+ I would say. My cats are going to hate it for a while but test pipes will do even more later down the road.
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This was not a cheap video to make considering the cost of that TB, install, and dyno. Really appreciate it man, thanks!
You're very welcome! At least I get to benefit from it by using it!
now do a dyno with a ported blower with the stock tb and the 80mm throttle body then the series would be complete minus port injection :p
Yes!
Yes !!!!!!
I saw this coming, and it's interesting to see it verified. I have a supercharged e36 m3 and i was contemplating getting a bigger TB myself, but with supercharged applications, when you open things up (headers, exhaust, even cylinder heads) if boost isn't increased with it, while you're adding airflow, you're losing boost, which likely explains why it took a few runs for your ECU to compensate. I bet if you hooked up a boost gauge, you'd see a 1 to 2 PSI drop in manifold pressure. Turbo cars have a boost reference, so if you open THOSE up, you increase airflow, and your boost will stay the same because the reference doesn't change. Essentially those mods allow you to run the same boost with less heat, meaning less timing ret and not having to worry about detonation on a blower car.
True, but boost is a restriction. Making more power with less boost means the engine became more efficient.
@@BigCool95 correct, but that doesn't necessarily make more HP. Just that same power at a lower PSI. That being said, untuned cars (with the bypass valve still opening) would probably see a much more significant increase in power increase. Same with other intake, and exhaust mods.
Thanks for the good info. I'm no longer in any rush to buy an ultra charger now. Once you're stage 2, single or DP, I feel like cooling and fuel are the most important things for these cars.
Cooling is by far the most important thing on this platform.
Definitely interested in seeing what a SC port will do.
Wow! Great video as always. To say that I too was underwhelmed would be an understatement. Seeing as how this is the wife's car, after the stage 2 pulleys/tune with the intercooler, I may be at my modification end of the ol' S5. Thank you for doing this. Confirms all of the back and forth talk I have read.
I'm not surprised at all, but I am not disappointed either. That was pretty much what I expected and you measured it at the wheels. If you raced yourself without the modification, you would lose.
It seems that a lot of the intake and exhaust parts on the cars are pretty good from factory on the 3.0 and changing just one part is like having a straw that is 30% larger, in only one section.
You did it the proper way. One part and then see what it does. Too many people do 2+ parts which either work together to get more power and then divide or estimate the differences which don't tell us what is going on.
Well, I've got to admit I had a feeling this was going to be the results. I truly believe the gains from the throttle body come from when the supercharger is ported because that is allegedly the restriction/choke point. I think when/if I do pull the trigger I'm just going to buy it and send it off straight away with a blower to be port matched.
LOL should have read your comment first. Same thing I Was thinking. I wonder what the numbers look like with the supercharger ported and big throttle body.
I was super excited to see what was going to happen... I was also thinking of upgrading to a bigger throttle body in the future, reason why i haven't was because most of the after market manifolds (2.0T) is supported for the OEM throttle body and not the up-sized one... So when i saw your new throttle body came with that bottle neck extended piece i knew the gains will probably not be as much 🤷 and you confirmed it for me... Thank you 🤣👌 but it sucks that the gains was so little... I think if it was possible the get a/supercharger / manifold that was supported for that bigger size throttle body it would of have made a much bigger difference
I guess one could say you are done with what you can get off the shelf. Do you plan on sending your supercharger to a reputable shop to get it ported?
You'll have to stay tuned to the channel to find out!
Hi Adam, love your videos! It is interesting that top of 4th in your car is just under 200 km/h whereas in the facelift (B8.5) it is around 210 km/h (130 mph). Perhaps, that is why it is a bit harder to run 10's in the B8's. Just an off topic question, what motor oil do you use in your cars?
That is because the B8.5's have different gear ratios. That's why it is so much easier to run 10's in a B8.5 rather than a B8. I use Motul 8100 X-Cess 5W40 in the S4 and Motul 300V 5W40 in the RS3.
@@VancityAudi That's good to know. Thanks a lot for the info!
No problemo. Thanks for watching
probably helps with throttle response...it might create a slight velocity stack effect but still tapers down to original throttle size opening. I don't know but if you can port the manifold/SC opening but that may help more.
Thx for the video! Confirms what many have been saying. You going to port your blower and do it again?
Only time will tell!
Hopefully did a throttle body adaptation because that's probably y it's growing every pull
It wasn't. No throttle body adaptation was necessary
Adam always delivers!
Lol, I try!
Hey Adam, random question. I just recently dropped into the 12s and I was wondering what kind of helmet do you have?
I just use a Shoei motorcycle helmet
Gah! Sounds like 10's may still be a few mods away. Was also hoping for more power but impressed to see how its available throughout the entire range. Maybe it will be more noticeable when you are behind the wheel?
I think 10's are achievable with this power level. Time to get all the finer points of the car dialed in.
@@VancityAudi Super excited for the 1/4mile video! What's next as far as mods/refinement?
I've got a few more tricks up my sleeves 😉
@@VancityAudi 😮 sounds like "Danger to Manifold" time!
@@ActuallyVen lmao. Nah, nothing like that.
How much power would the made. If it had the heat exchanger, intake, and throttle body?
That's already what I had installed
What kind of dyno are you using? Just curious…
Mustang dyno
@@VancityAudi I knew something didn’t add up because your car runs low 11s/hi 10s in the 1/4 mile and 458awp just doesn’t seem like enough for a car of your weight. But because it is a Mustang dyno, you are probably over 500awhp on a Dynojet. I’m thinking around 520-530awhp. Looking to make a purchase soon myself. Just kinda hard because I already have a car I’m working on..1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse AWD. But I definitely want a nice daily that can put it down when I need and cruise when I want. Great content and I hope to see more. When I want to learn about the S4.. I search for your videos.
@toney Clayton thank you for watching. The B8/8.5 community tend to go by Mustang dyno numbers, so that's what I used for this particular build. To get Dynojet numbers off of this dyno the shop multiplies the results by 1.15, so according to these tests, I would have actually made 526whp Dynojet.
I would love to compare my setup with yours. I'm also in Van. I have full APR setup. I'm set up for 94 octane tho. On a C7 A7. Thanks for the useful vids!
Head over to Racing Greed and have it dyno tested then! Be prepared to be very saddened by the results though! Lol
@@VancityAudi It looks like I will be. I noticed a big jump in power through out the gears when I put the throttle body in. It was the last piece to go in, similar to your set up.
i love all your s4 dyno videos... this comment is for the algorithm
Lol, this is awesome
Everyone has to understand that the inlet of the sc where TB is bolted to is 70mm. It doesn’t matter how big of a tb you mount on it, the bottleneck is still there. There is not much material you can grind off, but you can port it to 75mm, then you’ll see results. All these companies selling this overpriced mopar product are.. well..kinda misleading people. 30whp is bs. Port the supercharger also the inlet to 75mm and ofcourse portmatch the flange itself, then do an update.
Best of luck.
I’ve seen quite a few people say this so I would agree with you. but based off of masterolus UC PORTING video, he makes a statement that anything that helps prevent turbulence in the supercharger inlet flow is beneficial. An 80mm tb may not flow more air in but it may help smooth the inlet flow
Thank you
You're very welcome
Nice transparent video. Definitely only targeted/useful for those trying to squeeze every last HP out of the application.
Thank you
There is a huge reduction after the TB. It almost mitigates the gains from upgrading.
Little extra power is always good 🔥 awesome video thank you for doing the research for us 🔥💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
You're very welcome
@@VancityAudi what’s the next upgrade in your List ?
@@ElDemon_Ll you'll have to stay tuned to find out
now it time to try Iabed ind. Throttle body =)
Never heard of it
I just dropped the APR throttle body/tune and honestly the car is basically slower
Time to switch to a different tune perhaps?
Great
Should be happy to even gain anything, it’s a throttle body.
Quit wasting your time and get a jokerz ported blower
After seeing their customer interactions over the last year of ownership with my B8, I'll pass.
@@VancityAudi he's a great guy, not sure what issues you've seen
@@VancityAudi you’re absolutely wrong Adam. Brett was top notch when communicating with me, keeping me updated. The port/welds looked amazing on the supercharger. Everything was super clean. My IAT’s are lower and my top end so much stronger. They relaxed my supercharger bearings too that were going bad. I highly very highly recommend you go with Jokerz performance ported blower. Worth every penny and peace of mind. I hope you do go with Jokerz and test the true power gains of the best port on the market.
I've seen a lot of arrogance and unwillingness to admit when mistakes are made. Maybe I'm only seeing one side of the story
@@VancityAudi I’ve read only negative reviews and withheld from sending my blower off to them for a long time because of that. But decided to give them a shot. A CNC port will always out do a hand port, and stay consistent with results. Everytime I texted Brett, he called me the same day, let me know how it’s going and when I’ll be getting my supercharger back, talked to me about the bearings, and literally answered every question I had concerning the port, and other ideas I had to make more power. They do amazing work with Other blowers, even big companies like Forza P. And Tuning recommend Brett. After getting charger back I inspected it inside out and I was absolutely amazed at the clean work they did with mine. I initially sent the supercharger in to them with my bypass valve, they took it off and forgot to send it back to me. I texted Brett, within 10 minutes he replied and mailed me a new bypass valve with Next Day Air. If thats not customer service, I don’t know what is. Please look into it.
Now do a ported blower lol
lol 6 hp you are paying 700 bucks for 80 mm throttle body and u gaining only only 6 hp and 7 tq wtf not worth spending 700 plus tax and shipping fuck that.
Should have bought the 034 throttle body its a 84mm and cheaper
With what proof that it will make more power?
@@VancityAudi in theory more air more power. the ported blower definitely will add more power over just the throttle body
Theories are great and all but I'd prefer real, unbiased testing as proof instead.
On 034 website they have the cfm charts posted im not sure if intergrated does but judging by 034s cfm numbers and the size of the throttle body and adapter coupled with 034 4in intake on paper it should flow more. It would be a good video if you compared both throttle bodys side by side on the dyno….
@@ciscogalvan4174 that flow chart is from the company's website that made the part. That isn't non-biased, haha. Sadly I'll never use an 034 part on this vehicle. I will never represent a company has sh$t morals and ethics.
Ничтожная прибавка, и неоправданные расходы!
Not worth the money
Kind of disappointed to be honest … expensive piece for little gains … pass on that idea !
What I took away from it was the gains that I did see, I saw through the entire pull. All the way from the start of the pull to redline.
Wow, I feel like I shouldn’t have bought this ie 80mm throttle body kit.
Are you planning on running a ported blower? If so, you'll make a noticeable gain above what we saw here.
@@VancityAudi I’m going to buy one soon, test pipes are next then the ported blower.
I’m going to buy one soon, test pipes are next then the ported blower.
@Just_Modify then it will all be worth it!
@@VancityAudi throttle body on and I was stage 2 tune so I got the dual pulley tune now, should be good for 450+ I would say. My cats are going to hate it for a while but test pipes will do even more later down the road.