'Real', trickery or diabolic ? Apparitions and the Supernatural :vetting and the Vatican.
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- DISCERNMENT OF ALLEGED SUPERNATURAL PHENOMENA
One of the most compelling attractions of Catholicism is the immersion in the supernatural. The Church birthed with the miracle of the resurrection. It was launched with the miracle of Pentecost.
The old pagan gods of the Roman Empire gave way before the supernatural potency of the sub apostolic church. Despite the best efforts of schismatics down the ages, God has renewed and refreshed his Church with infusions of the mystery of the miraculous.
Protestantism has increasingly succumbed to either dull rationality or hyper-hysteria.
In the Catholic world the apparitions of our Lady remain one of the most powerful tools of renewal of piety, repentance and faith.
But the supernatural is double edged. It presents us with authentic interventions, but equally with distorted and even diabolic phenomena. It is a truism that evil has the capacity to present itself as good. It is equally true that the supernatural can be mimicked.
The Catholic Church has taken the task of discernment with the utmost seriousness. A good deal hangs on being able to tell good from evil and the authentic from the illusory.
The last time the procedure for assessing the authenticity of supernatural phenomena took place was 1978. Their are a number of cogent reasons for
Giving fresh thought to the process, of which the most persuasive is the development of social media.
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Thank you Dr Ashenden for giving us your understanding of our present situation; I believe it is well balanced.
Thank you Dr. Ashenden. I so appreciate your clarity and sensitivity in broaching these troubling dictates that keep coming from Rome 🙏🏼
Very helpful commentary. Thank you.
Thanks Gavin. It’s good to be reminded of important topics.
Thank God you're back again. After the trip to America I couldn't find any new videos and thought it might be my search technique. A thoroughly honest and well thought out analysis. Many thanks.
Sorry. Mea culpa- life became problematically complex. Took a while to regain equilibrium - Can’t do these without time to pray and think 🙏
@@DrGAshenden I understand absolutely. I'm just very glad you're back. I managed to get some episodes of "Catholic Unscripted" in as well. Hoping all is better now.
Thank you for your cogent analysis.
☀️💛This was a blessing to my soul. How accurate is Our Lady. God Truly Reigns
We do indeed need to seek the spiritual gift of discernment, given the many locutions by new visionairies appearing these days.
Excellent discourse. Thank you Gavin.
Thank you Dr Ashenden.
Thank you
Anyone who calls him/herself a Traditionalist should make themselves very familiar with St. Pius X's encyclical 'Pascendi Dominici Gregis'. What he discerned back in 1907 is what is happening now.
Anyone who calls themselves a traditionalist shouldn't use inclusive language.
Most definitely Allen. Good advice. Don INCLUDE yourself in the truth of the WORD and separate yourself from the spirit of the WORLD.
Not really. By the way, chum, there is no such thing as a "Traditionalist Catholic". There are only "Catholics". If you are starting a new religion where you decide who is a "Traditionalist Catholic" that is called schism. Just abide by the Catholic churches teachings, and you will be fine. No need to favor one encyclical over some others.
@@tomthx5804
I am Roman Catholic by birth and choice.
Not starting anything , I believe the college of
Cardinals to be infiltrated
by heretics of several kinds , and as the crucifix said to saint Francis ,
Rebuild my church , as you can see it's in ruins.
Modernism is a condemned heresy , liberalism is but a head of the modernist hydrant.
I believe the church to be indwelled by the
Holy Ghost , and that Satan has placed his head underneath our mothers heel as he did at the cross
and as at the cross his head will be crushed.
Liberalism is rebellion
which is the spirit of the age of enlightenment.
Who's fruits are now reaching maturity and all sin matures in death.
By their fruits you shall know them .
Abortion , sodomy , break down of the family
Secularization of society
Destruction of marriage.
I could go on , like what destroyed my oun marriage , my wife's wanting to be my " wifey "
in an open marriage.
Screw your inclusive language , or liberal anything.
As the Roman martyrs was told when asked to disown Christ and pray to Cesar.
I will pray for Cesar , I will not pray to him
@@tomthx5804
I am a Roman Catholic by birth and choice.
I believe liberalism to be the spirit of the age of enlightenment , the
Philosophies of the enlightenment are secular.
Liberalism by it nature is a spirit of rebellion , I am not in rebellion to the chair of Peter , or the
Magisterium.
I however know their are those who falsely wear the red hats of Cardinals that have no rights to them.
I believe Satan as at the cross has placed his head underneath the heel of our
Mother , and as at the cross his head will be
Crushed.
It is said a black mass has been said in the vatican it's self dedicating the vatican to Satan.
Pope Leo XIII said he saw
demons descending on Rome.
My faith isn't in one Pope , it's in the church , indwelled by the Holy Ghost , and that the gates of hell shall not prevail against her.
Christ is a king with an unfaithful bride , but he will not abandon her and neither shall I. As the Roman martyrs told the pagan Romans when asked to disown Christ and pray to Cesar.
I will pray for Cesar , I will not pray to him.
As the crucifix in the abandoned church told saint Francis , Rebuild my church , as you can see , it is in ruins.
Islam was in western civilization at that time also. But as when a king is wicked , so is his court , our greatest enemy is with in our gates , in fact they are our own leaders.
I await the chastisement to be over and the murder of the children to end as well our mother to crush the head of Satan under her heel.
I love the beautiful crucifixes and holy pictures in the background. As well as your content.
I have read about Our Lady of Akita, and it is all coming true,...May Our Lady keep us strong and faithful.
Thank you Dr Ashenden. Well thought out and well said! 🙏
I wish you would read the Bible cover to cover on a RUclips video series. I love your voice.
This document is just another example of this pope finding the notion of declaring Mary Mediatrix of All Grace, ridiculous. He says She is just a Mother. He said people like St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Louis deMontfort simply overexcited about their mother when they promoted Mary such as they did. And you point out well how convenient it is for clerical leaders would want to discount apparitions and messages that warn against errant clerics. I personally think that this pope does not like Marian Catholics because they are almost always traditional..... And we already know what he thinks of traditional Catholics.
Yes. Our Lady is not just ‘a’ mother; she is ‘the’ mother.
Very well said.
Not true.
The "enemy" has you
You are right
Our Lady of Good Success pray for us!
She doesn’t even hear you! So give up and rather turn to Jesus.
@@mikekayanderson408 Never!! ☺️
Exactly so! Thank you Dr Ashenden!
The local bishop is the one who should discern.
Blessed Mother Mary, guide us and help us to stay close to your immaculate Heart what leading us closer to the Sacred Heart of your beloved Son Jesus Christ. That we always trust in Jesus our Lord and Saviour and our great teacher who gives us the holy spirit to stay in truth and obedience of God. Oh Mary we love you we bless you for you are our hope and joy. May we forgive those who bowing down to the devil's deceit and pray especially for those priest, bishops the pope and religious orders who swore the oath to serve the temple of Jesus and our Father God. For God is already victorious over Evil but that those who serve him repent and realize that there punishment will be terrible. And because love us all we must pray even harder to save their souls and ours so we might enjoy eternal Joy in heaven
Amen ❤
She can’t hear you. You are praying into thin air! But God hears you and is not pleased!
People are on a hiding to nothing if their faith needs the direction of the vatican as it currently stands. Pray, of course, for PF and the clergy, but learn from the Catechism and the saints. Be faithful to God.
You wrote -- "At one level, changing the categorisations available so that the possibility of authenticating a private revelation or an apparition no longer exists may be arguable on a pragmatic basis. “Heaven” intervenes seldom, most phenomena carry a level of ambiguity with them, and it may well be that “Nihil obstat” is an appropriately circumspect response from the centre."
Well, that leaves aside the generality that the vast majority of Divine Interventions or private revelations etc. are in no need whatsoever of any authentification, as they provide nothing that is intended for sharing with other persons, let alone a local church let alone the Church as a whole.
There was absolutely nothing theologically novel in whatever part of a private revelation I may have received ; except to me personally, none of it in words BTW, but it was what I needed to know and understand for my own conversion to Faith, to Christianity, and to Catholicism. That and the Holy Scripture led me to the Church.
In that perspective, I think that "Heaven" intervenes a lot more frequently than you suggest ; including ofttimes without the person at the heart of it being consciously aware of it.
In fact, I agree with you about heaven intervening - and I probably should’ve been more careful about how I phrased what I said. What I had in mind is major public revelation. I think what you were talking about is the supernatural intervention in the life of the believer from day-to-day. Which I agree is constant.
I wish I could remember who put out a video about our duty to obey apparitions that are directed by Our Lady for a specific group. The Miracle of the Sun was public, therefore we are more bound to take it seriously.
I do not believe Medjugorje because two ordinaries rejected it after interviewing the seers themselves. Also the messages not only contradict themselves but also contradict the Magesterium. That should concern everyone. Donal Foley has examined the evidence and the messages at length along with many theologians going back to the original days of it. The disobedience there is staggering.
The smoke of satan........chaos...... ambiguity. Say the rosary daily people.
Thank you for your channel and thought provoking content.
I had a think about this video and read the comments. ( the video has only been up for a few hours.)
Some suggest that Mary cannot intecede for us at all.
This led me to wonder about all the saints?
(To follow the train of thought of that comment)
Does this not take us in full circle and make us protestants?
I came from a protestant background and found solace in the Saints found in Catholism and Orthodoxy.
Their stories and also praying to them.
To strip the ability to pray to Mary and to the saints (if I follow that logic) will change Catholism profoundly.
I have been following both Catholism and Orthodoxy since 2020 and many say (is it true? or biased) that many are leaving Catholism for Orthodoxy because of the changes over the last few decades.
As I wish to do the RCIA, to enter the Catholic Church, and I say the rosary daily...
am I to expect the rug to be pulled out from under me, as a baby Catholic?
The rosary has been a bringer of peace and purpose into my life.
Thank you for your video.
I will pray and hopefully be given guidance.
(I have been going to local churches, looking for a traditional one, but have yet to find it.)
I did find (when I went 2 years ago) traditional mass in the Greek Orthodox church that was profoundly moving.
There is only one traditional mass in this country and that is a plane ride away.
Until recently I was saying the Noetic Prayer (Orthodoxy) daily, since 2020, and shifted over to the rosary.
It deepened my experience and has led me to explore Catholism more.
Maybe one of your videos adresses the move of Catholics to Orthodoxy?
Truth mixed with lies is a favorite cocktail of the enemy. Come out of mystery Babylon.
Have you read the early church fathers like Ignatius of Antioch? St Irenaeus of Lyon? If not, why not?
Agree with you. They are so misled and deluded by all the lies that Rome teaches!
Satan is having a field day with the Catholics. So sad.
@@sarahnicholas7973 you need to read the Bible not the church fathers! They were sinful fallible men - the word of God is the only truth and Jesus says HE is the way, the truth and the life. Go to him for salvation not Mary!
Thank you Dr Ashenden. Our Lady of Good Success in modern day Equito way back in the late 1500s seems to have been speaking of our present times. She mentions the one who should speak will remain silent. The present pope is silent as our church burns from inside out. It seems that only God Himself will put things aright. We are in for a very, very rough ride. We the faithful should go to confession and receive the Holy Eucharist often. We should stay squeaky clean by avoiding mortal sin. The time will soon come when our world will be unrecognizable. Our pope wants to control the narrative. Stay in the barque of Peter. Be guided by the sound doctrines and teachings of the church from ages past. Discern what is right. Fight evil in all it’s protean manifestations.
Let us continue to ask Mary to pray to her Son for all of us in the Church and in particular for those of us who have been given responsibility for others, esp. parents, teachers, religious men and women, priests, bishops and ultimately the Holy Father. We can be confident of God's grace but we need to be aware as well that we are sinners who are vulnerable to the influence of the evil spirit, . . .
Removing all decisions on authenticating private revelations and apparitions from local bishops seems sensible. The flip side, however, is that it has also removed the bishop's power to denounce and protect their flock from such misleading events and false prophets. RUclips alone is awash with self-proclaimed prophets, visionaries, etc. Is Rome going to have the time and manpower to make a declaration on all these worldwide phenomena? Unlikely, given they still haven't made one on Medjugorje
To all you Dissenters out there, many little churches and great Cathedrals were built to honour Mary, Mother of God from at least the 6th century if not the 3rd all over Europe and Armenia. Those people were nearer to her times and believed what they knew and heard. 💐🙏😊
No they were just misled by false teachers! Even Paul and James and the other Apostles had to chastise them and warn the true believers about them and to avoid them. There have always been false teachers out there - so just because mariology was rife in the 3rd century does not mean it’s correct. More time for false teaching to take root I would say. K
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
The gospel is if you believe Jesus died for your sins then you are born again in the spirit .
Therefore the Catholic church and any other religious groups that add or take away from the finished work of Jesus are accused . rosary beads , hail marries and confessing to a man in a box to be forgiven of sin is definitely adding to the Gospel .
Muslim don't believe Jesus paid for sin so the take away from the glorious gospel of salvation .
Don’t forget that the CC also distorts the teaching of the Bible with regard to Justification. Purgatory. Treasury of merits! Penance. We cannot pay for our sins. We cannot depend on any merits but Christ’s who died for our sins and by faith we are made righteous in Him. So many lies in the CC that robs people of eternal life if they are believed and depended on trusted. Only the truth of the Bible can be trusted.
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Conchita, one of the Garabandal visionaries received the mitten of Padre Pio and Padre Pio was known to have said about the Garabandal visionaries.."Those poor girls..they will believe them when it will be too late."
As for Medjugorie StJP 2 believed in it and said if he wasn"t the pope he'd live in Medjugorie and St Teresa of Calcutta prayed to Our Lady of Medjugorie every day.
It's very disappointing and troubling to people's faith. As for me, I"ll try to pray the Rosary more and love her more and promote devotion to her more.
Thank you Dr. Ashenden. Good insights. One issue that is Akita, Japan. The local Bishop approved it, but on questionable grounds imho. A local bishop also gave his 'imperator' to 'The Devine Will' by Luisa Piccarreta which had a global following, and it has been denounced by the Vatican. They said that the Bishop was too quick to approve it. Link: ruclips.net/video/nt9-X-hDJeM/видео.html - This shows that while a local Bishop may indeed have the best knowledge of the situation he may not always have the discernment to adjudicate it spiritually. This happened only last year. So, I can understand why the Vatican says local Bishops may not be allowed to judge finally, but no doubt that they will be asked to contribute all their insights nevertheless.
Erudite and important
I have a synchronistic thing at moment of seeing in different images the black Madonna. Can anyone tell me what it means, or what the black Madonna symbolises?
Demons can masquerade as angels of light…. Even as Jesus. Or Mary.
Agreed, that’s why the CC takes decades discerning whether an apparition is genuine or not!
Will this also question someone becoming a Saint?
That might be next😮
It seems to me this new law could be used to attack the Saints.
Every true believer is a Saint! The CC can’t make saints. If a person is born again by the grace and work of GOD that person is a saint. Read how the Apostles address the believers in their letters to them - dear saints!!
@@mikekayanderson408 I know everyone is a Saint but the Catholic Church has this illusion that they can only make saints and that is why I asked that question. I call my son a Saint everyday so I totally understand that.
@@mikekayanderson408protestant idea about saints
I remember seeing a clip on you tube of pope Francis on an aeroplane making fun of our lady at Medjugorje (I couldn't believe it!!) He was waving his arms about saying "our lady wouldn't be waving a magic wand about all the time at Medjugorje. (I'm surprised no one has seen this clip).strange times!!
The original local bishop interviewed the “seers,” and rejected it. The next bishop interviewed them again and they changed their stories. The priests who were connected to them ended up leaving the Church. One impregnated a nun.
If it was legitimate, Our Lady would have protected those associated with the messages from mortal sin. This is not at all what happened. One of them married a beauty queen and lives in Massachusetts. Not one entered religious life, instead they live in luxury.
@@johnkeszei5995No priest who had visited the sanctuary at Medjugorje has left the Church. In the early days, two of them left the priesthood because the "original local bishop" refused them their faculties ( that means he didn't allow them to carry out their priestly duties) for his personal reasons. As for the apparitions, there have been 3 bishops commissions on the matter, the last one ordered by the late Pope Benedict. The result of this commission was to declare the first 7 days of the apparitions to be authentic. As for the visionaries they are ordinary people making a living like anyone else in order to care for their families. They certainly do not live in luxury. And since when has marriage to a local "beauty queen" been considered a mortal sin. Mz zingleman has made quite ridiculous comments, out of ignorance it seems.
He might be right though. It does seem a bit suspicious.
Yes I could not believe it either - but we then saw his terrible track record since😊
2024.
Never mind the Batican - what about the miracle of the Holy Fire which is received only on Orthodox Easter by the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem??? Surely the greatest and repeating miracle ?
Apparitions do not save - Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ does.
JESUS is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Catholics have to dump all their false beliefs and turn fully and completely to JESUS
Maybe the reason for this document is not to change decisions on previous apparitions or current controversies but for the Vatican to avoid making a pronouncement on an undeniable new one (in the not too distant future) by stating, 'the rules say we can't make a pronouncement and we are just following the rules'. It will also gag the local bishops. Divinity must never be acknowledged in the Church of Fraternity.
Yes. It’s not clear if they are trying to solve a ‘problem’ in the past, present or future.
Gavin, It sounds similar 2 your Doc. being silenced, sitting on a desk in Vietnam!
It does a bit!
the FOUNDATION OF THE FAITH.
Pope Francis said that the only means to know the Virgin Mary is the Gospel, excluding the narrative of any seer that does not match with Her personality as the Gospel exposes clearly, the humbleness and fidelity to the Lord.
So, we can raise these questions about the alleged apparitions:
- Would the Virgin Mary ask us to pray Ave Maria? I affirm: NO!
- Would the Virgin Mary introduce Herself saying: "I am the Mother of God"? I affirm: NO!
- Would the Virgin Mary ask for a Chapel be built in Her honour? I affirm: NO!
- Would the Virgin Mary pray the Rosary reciting Ave Maria? I affirm: NO!
- Would the Virgin Mary command a little girl to drink dirty water from a puddle and crawl on the ground eating grass like an animal? I affirm: NO!
- Would the Virgin Mary print Her image on a medal or mantel in order to be venerated? I affirm: NO!
- Would the Virgin Mary impose inhumane penance to 7 and 8 year old children and show them terrifying scenes of the Hell? I affirm: NO!
- Would the Virgin Mary confide secrets that the Pope could not know to a 10 year old girl.
We can go on and on analysing all the "apparitions" and conclude that no one stand up.
We can also with a rational thought say that the nature of the Virgin Mary remains human and cannot know each one of Her hundreds of millions "sons" scattered all around the world and stay by the side of each one to protect them at the same time, 24 hours by day. To do this God would have to give Her His powers of being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, making Her a goddess like Him.
I see that the Catholic Church made a huge theological mistake relating to the Virgin Mary and sold to the faithful
Now it is very hard and painful to correct it and the Vatican is trying to do it. And more is to come.
Does the Virgin Mary allow you to write all this about her, allowing you to exercise your ‘sure’ knowledge? I affirm: Yes. Does God allow evil in the world? I affirm: Yes. Does that mean he is not God?
Our Lady loves you; she respects you. She even respects your ‘ability’ to choose to arrive at false conclusions, she respects your flawed, uninspired reasoning and your putting yourself above the Church of ages - the Church that has also always believed in revelation (not the Bible alone) - the very Church that her own Son founded. Think again. Why would she do this? There is a price to pay for love and Christ paid it, but, in His mercy, He asks us to take on a little share of that payment, too, so that we can be like Him (though obviously, NEVER Him) - think on that! Through suffering and ridicule, we are given the chance to prove our love for Him. How else could we prove it? Therefore, we may well write out a list of ‘perceived’ indignities given to us - Job fighting with the angel again. You have not understood that the Virgin Mary was made much more than a human being at the foot of the cross. Blessed be the Mother of God, Mary most holy, whose only intention is to lead each of us to her Son out of love for God - the Holy Trinity, and us.
@@afterlate8866 Blessed be the Virgin Mary! She deserves all the honour given to Her! But can you tell me wich of my statements are wrong and why? Do you think She feels comfortable having hundreds millions asking Her protection 24 hours per day, at the same time, knowing that she cannot tackle with it all? Do you think She seeks devotees for Herself and not for Jesus? Does she feel pleased hearing the "Consecration to the Virgin Mary", wich should be to the Holy Father according to the First Commandment?
Why would you conclude that Mary would object to any of the scenarios you pose. Because of her "humbleness and fidelity" to the Lord? - indeed, none showed greater than her. And yet, as great as her humility and fidelity to God is, she was still able to confidently proclaim that 'from now on all generations shall call me blessed'. This is an astonishing proclamation for such a humble heart as hers. Was this a humble heart, getting caught up in the excitement of the moment? Or making a prediction, or going out on a limb and assuming what God's plan held for her? No, this wasn't her most humble and abiding heart speaking for herself. That would make no sense. She was merely acknowledging what God Himself has rendered. - "My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord."
She doesn't want accolade or attention for her own benefit, but.. If God wants all to call her blessed, if God wants eyes on her, if God wishes to establish devotion to her Immaculate Heart - for His own purposes - then Mary is all in. There is no other option for her nature. So she, in effect, becomes her own cheerleader, so to speak.
And so none of the scenarios you list are necessarily going against her scriptural nature, if they lead to accomplish God's purposes. I hope this helps you.
@@Barbara-zp8iu you too, and I, are blessed! Have you forgotten what Jesus said in the Gospels about " those who do the will of God...." and " those who believed Without seeing"? Have you forgotten that Jesus gave us the same status as His mother and His brothers? You are suggesting that the Virgin Mary abandoned Her virtue of humility because was chosen by God to become the mother of His son. You are WRONG! What I suggested is that if a woman appeared it was not the Virgin Mary! And now I affirm: The Virgin Mary appeared not! The narratives are fantasies and liars! And I affirm as ABSOLUTELY TRUTH that the Virgin Mary wants devotion to Jesus and not to Herself and wants prayers to the Holy Father, as Jesus commanded, and not to Herself!
@@pedroantonioalleAt the foot of the cross Jesus turned to His mother and said, “Woman, behold thy son.” Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, thy mother.” John 19:26. Becoming John’s mother she becomes our mother, too, since John, the disciple, is one man, but also representative of mankind. Now, why did our Lord say she was our Mother? He did not need to say it. Why did Jesus give Our Lady the role of Mother of mankind which is what he means when He tells John the disciple that she is now his mother? Why did He say that John was now her son? Clearly he wasn’t, in biological and human terms.
In so doing, Jesus made the Virgin mother more than human, more than a creature; further, being the spouse of the Holy Spirit she has been given a very full share of the divinity by God, Himself. This is what allows her to be omnipresent (and by the way, some saints have been seen in more than one place - St Padre Pio to mention but one). The Mother of God, a creature like us, but who, through God’s mercy, and His plan, is now our Mother. Of course she has a share in supernatural powers, so shall we, to a far lesser extent, if we get to Heaven. What are you saying then - that Jesus should not have done this? Could not have done this?
Our Lady is, and never has been, in competition with her son; you (none of us) have anything to fear on that silly score. Our Lady works WITH her Son because He has asked her to and she is obedient; She never works against Him - that is ridiculous and a preposterous idea! (If ever she could work against Him she would most certainly NOT be the Mother of God!). She is our advocate, our mother. She has asked for chapels to be built so that within the tabernacle of those chapels her Son, in the Eucharist, can be ‘housed’ and wherever her Son is, so is she; they are united. If we honour Our Lady, we honour Her Son and Our Lord does not mind us coming to Him through Her - in fact, it is He who encourages us to do so because He, above all, loves His Mother! . In purely human terms, we turn to our mothers when we are afraid that our fathers might ‘explode’ when we’ve done something wrong. We hope our mother will ‘say a good word for us’ and limit our father’s anger. This is in human terms. We have this pattern because it was made by God, not by me, nor by you, not by the Church. That human pattern is ‘replicated’ in the supernatural. So why should we not ask our Heavenly Mother to intercede for us? God will listen to her pure and totally self-less prayers long before He ‘hears’ our poor, selfish ones. So….why should we not pray to Our Lady when God, Himself, has asked us to? Why should we not pray the Holy Rosary reminding us of all the events in Jesus’ life that we know about in the Bible? Why should Our Lady not leave a printed image of herself on a mantel to help her children know whom She is. Why should we not thank Her for Her steadfast obedience to God and total humility? Can you enter her mind? Do you know God’s plans for revealing ‘secrets’ to a ten year old - a girl whose purity and child-likeness is what God loves. The Popes have been humble enough not to be ‘jealous’ of hearing the ‘secrets’ second hand, why shouldn’t you be? You write of Our Lady possibly ‘feeling uncomfortable’ because billions of people are praying to Her 24/7 but Our Lady is more than a mere human; she has a huge share of the divinity given to Her by Her Son. You can’t have it both ways; why would billions of people, over two thousand years, pray to her if She did not share in the divinity of God, and in which case ‘discomfort’ does not come into it. Finally, the Catholic Church is not a market and sells nothing; it passes on the Word of God, and through years of thorough and lengthy deliberation, as well as constant and consistent prayer to the Holy Spirit, through all the accusations, the pointed fingers, the blame game, the lies, it speaks the Truth.
“beware of these who condemn and judge the Pope, they are chatterers who
congratulate themselves and each other while speaking against the Pope; trapped in
their own reflections, they are carried away, misbehaving; My Church will always uphold
the truth and will always keep it safe… so anyone who condemns the Vicar of My Church
cannot be My disciple; humility is missing from them!”
Is this a quote from you?
It was the Divine Mercy scenario that turned me away from church, at around 65 years old I tried to return to my catholic faith after my experiences in 2009, my experiences were divine in nature but I kept questioning them, I guess it was my unworthy ego. Or maybe my experiences were demonic whilst feeling divine? The fact is I don’t know, how can anyone know?
The Holy Spirit.
What was it about the Divine Mercy that turned you away?
@@geoffjs Things like the sacred host playing, elevating Sister Faustina being elevated above all creatures, many things that was just ego stroking.
@@Aussiedreamer-pz5uwI had the opposite experience & trust JPII discernment in recognising the validity of Divine Mercy, which time we are living in before He visits His justice on us.
Even with all my volume settings at maximum, I am struggling to hear this talk.
A pity that you put that picture of a statue of our Lady of Guadalupe crying, it makes think that it is not a real supernatural. phenomenon
So Medjugorje belongs in a "highly politicised, ultra nationalistic context"? What makes you think that Dr Gavin?
Read Michael Davis book on the whole affair. Very well documented
So you dont believe in Heaven or that we will live with Christ beyond our earthly existence? As the mother of Christ she definitely lives. Do not be led astray by protestant heresy. You are playing right into the evi one s hand.
@blumusik…..where do you get this idea from Ashenden’s talk here? Have you listened to it in full?
Sorry I was trying to respond to a very negative comment about the Blessed Mother.
I can’t listen because his voice is too deep and relaxing I just want to fall asleep even though I am interested
Th Church always takes a long time to authenticate any apparition. Satan is a fallen angel, but also has the power to appear as an angel of light. Please don’t use this to imply criticisism of Pope Francis…….this too is not a sign of a good spirit. Obedience to the judgment of the Magisterium is. You, Dr. Ashenden are not called to make this discernment in place of the Pope! +
THE BIBLE HAS ALWAYS TOLD US WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE IT HAPPENS STAY WITH THE BIBLE NOR APPARITIONS THAT ARE OF THE DEVIL NOT MARY
@@BigBadJohn7 It was God
Why are you shouting? And watch what you say about Our Lady, or Jesus may decide to correct you on that point.
All Scripture was given by the Holy Spirit. Never forget that. 2 Samuel 23:3, Acts 1:16 etc the Bible is full of examples of how it came into being. 2 Timothy 3:16.
All Scripture is God breathed, man just wrote it down.
God himself is the highest authority as to the nature of his word.
"And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch.
Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.""
John 10:23-28
MARY IS DEAD AND THE DEAD DONT HEAR OR SPEAK TO THE LIVING JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR ALL OUR SINS AND IS ALIVE IN HEAVEN SPEAK THROUGH HIM TO THE FATHER GOD - JESUS SAID NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME = NOT MARY SHE CANT DO ANYTHING
Mary was assumed body and soul into Heaven, She lives and intercedes for us to God.
You clearly do not understand the Scripture.
You need a new keyboard.
What the 😊
tell that to the 70,000 people who witnessed on Oct 13,1917. Most were hostile and communistic newspapers and government.