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The Original Lost Dutchman Story by PC Bicknell
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2021
- PC Bicknell wrote articles that are said to have given rise to the legend of the Lost Dutchman Mine. Jack San Felice took three of Bicknell's articles and used the information within them in an attempt to locate the mine. Did either of them actually find the real Lost Dutchman Mine? Decide for yourself if it's genuine or just another mystery of the Superstition Mountains. . Part 3 Video link
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Just another fantastic tale, by my favorite group of storytellers.
Absolute gratitude gentleman.
Thanks very much-we put a ot of effort and experience in all these tales -we actually lived these experiences!!
Jack
Thank you !!
O Boy! Another awesome story👍😊
Thanks --Jack -look for the next episose (3) Herman Petrash's Story
Hello again from Tennessee. I'm glad to see all of you well. God bless all of you and keep the stories coming.
Thank you! I lived in Phoenix, Mesa, Tempe, Awatukee from 1982-1996. I love the Superstitions and took a class of Arizona History at Mesa Community College before my ASU education. Now retired in Washington.
Jack, youre a legend and giving me the adventure itch ...
Wow, what a great story! 😎 I totally enjoyed your presentation!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This trail does exist and is the old military trail that isn’t being used anymore. It runs right into the salt river also. The canyon itself was used as a shortcut during the Indian wars when the winter rains brought seasonal creeks through this canyon. In it there is waterfalls and pools of water, boulders in the wash and rocks shaped like people. Waltz would take this way via the salt river and use this way into the mountains. The canyon is hard and like a slot canyon for a bit, and then opens up into this hidden canyon Dr Thorne was taken to. In this canyon you can only see out to the south (high walls in every direction) and see weavers needle from the slope where pit mine is located. I won’t say the name of this canyon but it does exist and may not be considered in the Superstition Mountains. There’s a line in the sand where it becomes Tonto National Forest
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Thanks for the information. I've spent a lot of time in those mountains and came to agree, it's on the east side.🐶🙏🇺🇸⛏️
Thanks -Jack
Wow, now I know the factual accuracy 110%
You better believe it BICK was the REAL DEAL! and my COMPANIONS AND i FOLLOWED THE PHYSICAL ELEMENTS OF HIS STORIES __ jACK
Thanks guys for the great stories, someday I hope to get out there.
Jack and Hank
You two are my favorite storytellers of all time. Just love you.
I believe Ron Feldman knows where the mine is. Most people think if they find the mine gold nuggets will be scattered on the floor ready to be carried away. So actually the mine could have been found by people who don't know what to look for. It really doesn't matter if the mine is found or not I really don't think anyone would legally be able to do anything with the mine so if it would be found maybe someone could sneak an amount of ore out without being caught. If I'm not mistaken someone would have to apply for a treasure recovery permit through the government and the chance of being exempted would be similar to finding a gold bar sitting in the middle of a road. If someone was to find it the best course of action would be to do exactly as Jacob done keep quiet and sneak it out a little at a time.
Another awesome story! If the Pit/Generator mine is the Dutchmans lost mine, that would be fantastic and tragic at the same time. It would put an ending to the Dutchmans story. However at the same time if the Pit/Generator mine isn't the Dutchmans mine, that would imply that the the Dutchmans mine can't be that far away. I have no doubt that the Dutchmans mine will be found in due time!
No not tragic because one portal has not been found yet within the claim or adjacent claims of 100 acres-that in the mts. is a awesome rocky area to search=also other clues to be verified-watch for the next episode on Herman Petrasch-one of the 1st Dutch Hunters!! lso the mystery of what could have happened to all the ore removed and what is left-More of a mystery remains than was opened to view!! Thanks--
A person with a drone and several battery packs could scour the area pretty thoroughly from low altitude, and without any physical exertion.
It's in a wilderness area. Can't operate drones there.
Just watched this episode wish I would have seen it before I went to the dwelling in September. Long hike lots of rain water starts running quick in that canyon. Now I gotta go back
What a fascinating story. Looking forward to part 3. Thanks!
Holding my breath also -Video in bank but looking for rare photos now --Soon??? Thanks= Jack
Thanks for cool videos. I lived in AZ in 80's and 90's. And I heard too many stories about the Lost Dutchmens mine. Saluto Paizano!
Geeze, I spend all day Sunday listening to these wonderful stories... I wish I would have been able to go on a few of these Hikes, wow, Thank you Guy's I love it!!!
I do not believe Julia "forgot" anything! She looks very intelligent, and she more likely deliberately misled future searchers. She may have also found the gold, gone back for it, and it is long gone!
I listened to these story’s for over 40 years and none have match my original story that I got back in 1964.
Hey Jack,
I met you at COSTCO. Super love Jeff and Melissa
Set and ready... fire away Jack!
Fun Stuff...I just want to see that country! I got to, in fact. Some day!
Thanks Jack! Please put this information into a book that includes the maps and pictures you presented in the video. I’m not a Dutch Hunter, but I like to read about stuff like this. I do believe the Lost Dutchman Mine was found and the gold ore was removed years ago. Maybe there are some caches that are undiscovered which some lucky soul might find.
Working on new book now with several parts that when combined will answer most of you questions. 300 plus pages in my computer by now. You will love this
This feller is like a breath of fresh air. No myths, wives tales, just real honest to gawd facts only found through diligent research. And he has the proof to back up his research.
Every once in A LONG WHILE somebody writes a very valid comment on the story that I told! You are refreshing air to me Howdy Fowler Please keep tuned next up Stagecoach robberies -Cowboys real and rustlers too!
Cheeers thank you*bless
Man you guys do such a great job. Ever since I was a kid I have been eerily intrigued by the Superstition Mountains.
You should put together a map for sale of all these treasures, old mines, and points of interest. You’d make a nice profit on that map.
Good story.. one of my favorite authors of the West had an extensive library that I bet your have not had access to.. Louis L'amour's kids have been repackaging his short stories for years and he used his personal library for reference.
Jack “Da Man” Felice 🤙
The "Mythical Mine" story was also printed in the 'Arizona Weekly Citizen,' Tucson, AZ, on November 24, 1894. That's where I found it.
Good talk. A bunch of the pieces seem to fit the pit mine. If that is the Lost Dutchman, I find that sad. That means it was a shallow deposit that played out quickly. Hardly the richest mine there is...
Feels like falling into an M.C. Esther's painting
I found a cash, I'm close.
No! we do not know that is is or was a shallow mine -taken the enormous amount of waste rock from the Pit Mine and the mine SHAFT ABOVE above the Pit mine AND THE TUNNEL, IT could be surmised that a great amount of high grade ore was taken from that area. Based on an equation of waste rock VS high-grade ore it is within the possibility that this area- 20 acres =a mining claim= contained a vein about 2 feet wide of high grade gold and that was enough at 500 feet- to make 20 men millionaires or more at yesterday's gold values! Now it you paid attention you would have heard me state that I was up there over 20 times in two years searching for something valuable-just because you find a mine does not of itself make you wealthy-you must have ownership, funds sufficient to develop the mine, and engineers to find the highest grade ore to mine. While at the Silver King Mine we exposed a vein of high-grade silver of extreme value- Additionally, from the value of the waste rock one can exponentially derive a formula for what the high grade ore should be valued at!! I have been at this mining business for over 25 years now and can see the vast difference in low grade to high grade values. It does not take much high-grade gold ore to become wealthy----but you must find it- then must HOLD the ground. No one person held the ground for any amount of time!! Watch for Herman's story next and then the Woodbury story last in this Lost El Dorado SAGA of 4 Episodes. This is based on 35 years of research, now with computers, and actual physical searching out most of the old mines in an actual area where much gold mining was and still is found in the areas' ore boundaries!! I hope that this pithy explanation helps you-I know it did me!! If you are a non-believer then no amount of evidence will convince you-but if you are like me and a small cadre of believers then you believe!! One must break a few rocks in order to seek the truth- Thank you for your comments. It forced me to write this explanation that I will provide future questioners!!!
I also have that article but in my searching 30 years ago and no computers or search engines or data bases it was extremely difficult to find things via micro-film which was the original data base -the newspaper files- which were pirated by sizzor hunting researchers!! Thanks !! Jack
No! we do not know that is is or was a shallow mine -taken the enormous amount of waste rock from the Pit Mine and the mine SHAFT ABOVE above the Pit mine AND THE TUNNEL IT could be surmised that a great amount of high grade ore was taken from that area. Based on an equation of waste rock VS high-grade ore it is within the possibility that this area- 20 acres =a mining claim= contained a vein about 2 feet wide of high grade gold and that was enough at 500 feet- to make 20 men millionaires or more at yesterday's gold values! Now it you paid attention you would have heard me state that I was up there over 20 times in two years searching for something valuable-just because you find a mine does not of itself make you wealthy-you must have ownership, funds sufficient to develop the mine, and engineers to find the highest grade to mine. While at the Silver King Mine we exposed a vein of high-grade silver of extreme value- Additionally, from the value of the waste rock one can exponentially derive a formula for what the high grade ore should be valued at!! I have been at this mining business for over 25 years now and can see the vast difference in low grade to high grade values. It does not take much high-grade gold ore to become wealthy----but you must find it- then must HOLD the ground. No one person held the ground for any amount of time!! Watch for Herman's story next and then the Woodbury story last in this Lost El Dorado SAGA of 4 Episodes. This is based on 35 years of research, now with computers, and actual physical searching out most of the old mines in an actual area where much gold mining was and still is found in the areas' ore boundaries!! I hope that this pithy explanation helps you-I know it did me!! If you are a non-believer then no amount of evidence will convince you-but if you are like me and a small cadre of believers then you believe!! One must break a few rocks in order to seek the truth- Thank you for your comments. It forced ,me to write this explanation that I will provide future questioners!!!
Intrigued, intrigued! Can't wait for more.
Look for the next episode soon Called Herman and the First Dutch Hunters -a long lost secret is revealed!!!
Between these folks and Mr. Ballen they are riveting. I learned the German word for five as Fünf and fifteen is Fünfsehn.
Great stories
Thanks Susan !! Jack
Sounds like you need to write a sequel Jack! You better get busy writing.
Thanks again friend. The kids and I really appreciate your work.
34:41 left pillar looks like a beast squatted
Awesome episode thanks guys!!!
I just find this Chanel. Congratulations for your great stories
Robert:
Over 100 people have claimed to find the LDM or swear they know where it is. Not!
Many have Talked the Talk But Jack has Walked the Walk -done his homework and identified ---well watch soon for The First Dutch hunters and Herman!!!
These stories are great good job
Fantastic Recounting of some of your expeditions. I am fascinated with tales of treasure and the old west.I lived in Chandler in the late 70s till early 83. Warner Rd was still dirt and everything south of Warner was orange groves and desert..I had a book on the Dutchman mine and we hiked the superstitions more than once, not looking for the mine, though it was in the back of my mind that what if ? Thank you so much for your talks. I am looking forward to installment #3. I love this channel and all of you that contribute..Just wonderful entertainment!! My brother moved out of the valley to Flagstaff. I come out for visits from time to time. Do you still do any in person speakings? I would enjoy listening for an afternoon or more. God bless and be well.
I can be reached for personal meetings via email !! Speak sometimes now Covid scare over !!! Jack
Thank you-episode three is filmed -still looking for all my old photos from way back!! PS You will like this it has a surprise hidden for over 135 years!!!
I was born in ‘83 and lived off of Warner, between Lindsay/Val Vista... I can still remember my mom having to stop the car and wait for a heard of sheep that was being driven down Val Vista rd! It’s amazing how much things have changed since then... we were out in the boonies and now we’re in the middle of town! I can also remember hiking Siphon Draw as a kid and seeing maybe 5 people tops on the trail during the entire hike... now you’re likely to encounter hundreds of people on that same hike!
@@jacksanfelice8840 Hi Jack, Thanks for the reply..I am still watching weekly but never thought of checking for comments to my comments..lol jajaja..anyway I will look for that episode and the surprise..I am planning on coming out in November.maybe I could sit in on one of your video shoots..Take good care..my best to the team..Bruce
Been off since a back injury last year but will speak again soon
If i had a penny for every tale of "lost mines" , "diamond filled caves" and "castles of gold" ...
... I would be a richer man than all those story tellers combined !!
Thanks for another great story jack.
Ron
Glad you enjoyed it
LOVE listening to this great guy!! He’s brilliant 👍👍
Thank you! Stay tuned!!
This is interesting because the number five in German is funf, not funz, and fifteeen is funfzehn, not funzehn. Could the German been intentionally mistranslated to protect something from view?
There are different dialects in German as in many languages even in the USA--The words for 5 & 15 are all similar -I simply used one from the dialect chosen by me.
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Great story guys keep up the great work
Thanks so much!
Awsome story
well we also know for a fact a Arizona Gazette ran the story in August 22 1895 ...Vol .30 No.# 44, and i have this paper in near mint condition ..it is almost word for word the same as the January 1895 paper ..with some better oversight of the treasure hunters looking for the mine ...i shared the paper digitally with Wayne tuttle..i still have the full news paper and there are a few good related topics in the paper other than the LDM story . so we know he was still writing about the LDM in August of 1895. there 4 or 5 people named in the paper that were hunting for the LDM at the time and P.C. Bicknell is names as one of those early Dutch hunters .
like the boss just said jakub waltz paid with gold dust or nuggets ... gold dust and gold nuggets dont come from a mine only a creek bed. 100 percent jakub found gold in a dried up river bed... every one has been looking for a mine. there is none.
Not true. The ore was so rich that the gold could be hand cobbed out of the quartz. Those chunks of gold are the 'nuggets.'
People need to understand Jacob his own history, personal knowledge to understand the mans terminology you will learn how he thought.
This man is a lost mine of information! 👍👍
Amazing. Thank you I will search one day. The key is the board house
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It might be y’all walked right by the mine & not saw it
Cool
I'm kind of confused here on the whole 5, 15 thing. The German word for five is f ü n f (fünf), not funz. Fifeteen is fünfzehn, f ü n f zehn. Funz, as far as I know has never been five (or anything else). Fifty is fünfzig. (Und so weiter)..
The diff. may be German dialects-what the heck we know Reiney was not paying attention-so if the words started close enough the plausible theory here is there is certainly enough misinformation over the years--the basis on my 4 episodes is to prove the existence of a gold mine with ALL the info. that creates the overwhelming info. and enough of it to establish a mine--do not judge me by one isolated theory-watch the entire 4 episodes coming up and or read the entire book. Thanks for question!! Ever hear of Razzors OCCUM ! SP where all the possibilities are found wrong then the obvious one is the closest to the truth!!
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Hello, Yes, as you say, a great video! Question: "Can you walk from the "Pit/generator mine" to the 'Board House' and back in 1 day? Thanks, Sig
I wish you would write a new novel with the updated information on the lost Eldorado!👍
Been Pondering on a novel for some time but I've never written one but that is a good idea and will hold that thought until after the last episode!! Thanks
Jack, can you tell me where I can get a hold of a copy of “Lost Eldorado” I can’t find one anywhere unless I pay 150$ for a copy on Amazon. Thanks! Rolando
A western novel from Jacob Waltz point of view would be a very interesting read too.
Does Jack have any books for sale ? I couldn’t find them on Amazon
What happened to the last post???? I was still making my way through the whole thing 😭
This is shorten and update version
UNK repeat -sometimes the Russions Hack me they are looking for the Dutchman's GOLD!! Jack
Clay Wurst’s story of what happened to Waltz’s Mexican friends and Bicknels don’t match up. Somebody doesn’t have their facts straight.
Logic says they are bunk to put people in the wrong direction.
One day it is a goal of mine to see the gold that Jacob Waltz or anyone that came out of his mine what the gold looks like or what became of it. Think about this it was soo high quality and valueble 24K gold. To see gold that beautiful would be amazeing. It's on my bucket list. I mean Sombrero Butte is heck 40 miles roughly from Weavers Needle. I think the real picklle in the jar here is evidence of where gold can be located here thats close to the Apache's land. The Apache's claimed the gold because I truly believe that it was on their land where the LDGM is located. I say this because it was their land they claimed it because it was on their land. Ok. Now think about this. The State of Arizona went in to create this law soo they could operate the law to keep the Apache's from owning the land any longer. This happend in the middle 1964 I think. The one clue that I'm stuck on guys is the Blue Stemming chalk that is all over the outside walls on the rock. You can see this blue chalk in rich abundance all over the rock and it is a clue that has stood out in my mind as the vital clue to where the mine is or that area it would be because you cannot just find that on the rocks just anywhere it is there from the presense of gold and other elements that create gold. That Blue Chalk is the biggest clue in my mind that sticks out about the LDGM and will probably be only found in certain areas.
There is still some gold available to see left of old Jake- review my book and find out!!~!
When and where were Bicknell’s articles first published? Three stories published…. non-consequently?
What if the mine is under water now.
I'm not so sure about searching out there for a summer, much less a weekend.
From May till October the temperature is over 100°
And From July to September
Up to 114°+
How much dark-sided eat it
Great story Jack. But you're wrong about funz. Funz isn't five. Fünf is five auf Deutsch. Fünfzehn I'd fifteen. Ten is zehn. So fünfzehn is five and ten. Fifteen. Not sure if that changes anything though.
There's all kinds of German. There are several dialects + an old high German, middle high German and a new high German. Jack's version is probably from one of them.
That is an interesting name, but he wasn't actually a constable?
No Costabile was a old country European name often referred to as Charlie in America! It was an old family name He was a mining expert and writer usually in the newspapers although he wrote the first book on the Grand Canyon. He usually signed his name in the papers as simply Bick!
She’s searching for the Dutchman’s lost mine in the Summer?
I know ... right"?"
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Why can't the Dutchman mine be the mammoth or bulldog mine
The ores from those mines were tested and found to be different from the Dutchman's ore. Therefore, the Dutchman ore is from a different mine.
i don't think jakub new the alchemy to smelt gold
I think hes right
I discovered the Mine....
Where are the ore samples?
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"Show me the Gold-n-Quartz!!!
I want to buy a piece to make a pendant with, like they did back in 1890.
No, Really
I keep waiting on Someone to rediscover the "Dutch Spot"!
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Take an airplane fly of the area.
if he did he would of had gold bars.. the dried up river bed by the mountains thats where its at 100 percent