The saying goes "Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." It's a quote from Terry Pratchett's Jingo.
Y'all should make a video on how the different stick sensitivities affect gameplay, it would be very useful to beginner and intermediate players who are still not completely satisfied with their controls like me 🦅
@@NutHoofd I've spent a lot of time on both settings and still unintentionally dashed or smashed at low sensitivity when I wanted to walk or tilt, or vice versa on high. Barring it being a placebo feature, I've come to believe the difference is incredibly insignificant. Hopefully somebody gets some hard facts about it soon.
I wrote a big thread on reddit/smashboards about Inklings ledgegrab, it is definitely a unique case and one worth talking about. Their ledgegrab is like fox magnet hands from smash 4, they grab it from so low that they are immune to all grounded attacks except eruption on the first frame of vulnerability and on the second frame, only vulnerable to particularly low-hitting hitboxes like ness yo-yo, k.rool stomp, c4 explosion. The vast majority of characters can not hit them whatsoever. When I see things like top lucina or fox players trying to 2-frame an inkling with dtilt or dsmash it's frustrating. It's literally impossible, but they never learn and miss 100% of the time.
Do tethers like Ivy's Up Special avoid the 2-frame? I'll check myself but it could save someone else some time here. EDIT: Huge thanks to you guys for replying to this and for the pin! Super useful stuff. :)
Tethers do NOT put characters into that 2-frame animation. The character gets pulled to the ledge and becomes invulnerable (usually) as soon as the hand touches the ledge. But they can often still get hit out of that before they are completely at the ledge, similar to regular 2-frame punishes, it's just a bit harder to get them!
@@BeefySmashDoods Do we know how long the reel-in animations on tethers are? In PM, sometimes people would try to interrupt people reeling themselves in on tethers, and it was much easier to do on some characters than others due to how fast or slow they reeled in. Is the same possible in this game?
I'm not exactly the best player, but I do main PK Trainer, and I can say from experience that Ivysaur is punishable from the point the tether latches to when she grabs the ledge, and that people can and will target that window. Use of razor leaf against an edge trap or up-a against an edge guarder prior to up-b are the most effective defense I've found. As if that wasn't enough to worry about, at certain positions, vine whip will go through the stage instead of targeting the ledge, which can be a legitimate way to attack, or when unintentional can force a switch to Charizard at best/cause an SD at worst. I don't know if other tether recoveries are quite as weird or risky.
When Ike uses his neutral special to edge guard... and succeeds.. is it because the hitbox goes underneath the ledge, or because it's easier to 2 frame with this move since it lasts multiple frames?
I guess both. More space below the ledge means you can catch people even before the 2 frames. More time active means you have to time it less strictly.
What you're looking for is "This is the first video that I see doing this, thanks friend." En una pregunta, que = what. "¿Que es tu comida favorita?" "What is your favorite food?" Pero, "que" tambien puede ser "that." "Es el primer video que me gusta." "This is the first video that I like." Lo siento para español malo
lol people remember framedata for every move in 2d fighters to have an advantage in high level play and you just out here throwing statements like "is it useful to know? not really" out like that
so what exactly is a "beefy up b"? i've heard a term called stage slashing where wolf could forward b past a ledge by holding down to not grab onto it... is this the same thing?
If you shield some characters are invurnable at the first frame on some parts at their body (like [dark] samus, ridley and some other). Yoshi is the most ineresting one because it is before and after his shield and looks crazy. Just saying and hope that someone can test if this isnt a visual bug, because i am stupid and wasnt abel to do this. Nice video by the way i like what you guys are doing.
Basically if you’re up against a god you’re getting two framed and there’s nothing you can do I guess the best advice is just know the match up and learn how to recover based on the character
There's and easy way to find out if a recovery is able to be 2 frame punished, no matter the character If I do it, then it is punishable If the opponent does the same thing, it won't be punishable
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I avoid the 2 frame punish by playing against people who are bad at the game.
me too
Best Thumbnail
Nothing beats two frame luigi down taunt
Meteor cancelling does xD
@@justanordinarymimikyu2109 that is only possible on melee
J.I.M. It is in brawl too xd
Is brawl srsly that irrelevant
It’s my favorite game of all time
@@justanordinarymimikyu2109 didnt know that and i also like brawl a lot.
But either case in ultimate its not possible.
Unless it's off-stage reversed warlock punch
Or DeDeDe up b
Or Kirby's full charged hammer
Or rest
Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Give a man a *bouncing* fish, he gets nerfed
GB6 😂😂
XD please kill me already XD
@@CedarFairLoreArchive bruh you know what a joke is?
@@CedarFairLoreArchive yes I know that but the comment is a jokr
@@CedarFairLoreArchive r/wooosh
I believe the saying goes, give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Give a man a poisoned fish, feed him for the rest of his life.
lol
random but somewhat relevant fact: the french word for fish is ''poison''
@@the_world555 poisson, but I digress
Light a man a fire, and he’ll be warm for the night.
Now, light a man ON Fire, and he’ll be warm for the 30 seconds he has left.
The saying goes "Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." It's a quote from Terry Pratchett's Jingo.
I never actually noticed how badass Sheik’s up special looked right before she disappeared.
new drinking game: take a shot every time they show a forward-tilt
Take a shot for every up-B performed in this video
Wtf I just say you on carlsagan42s new video.. GET OUT OF MY COMMENT SECTION
I guess you could say the thumbnail is...
Godlike
RaFaReAcH .
I wanted to say that ;-;
Eyyyyy
Someone else already said that
@@foxx6876 I was here first, so yeet
@@RaFaReAcHwhen I saw theirs was 4 hours ago and yours was 3 hours ago
Your vids helped me get better as a smasher. Not so much now but back in the day. I hope to support you guys any way i can! Have a good one doods!
Dyntos Lumen Glad to hear! We appreciate that a lot! We‘ll try to deliver new stuff asap! Thank you :D
"...or however the saying goes."
Okay but you actually got it exactly right. Well done.
Y'all should make a video on how the different stick sensitivities affect gameplay, it would be very useful to beginner and intermediate players who are still not completely satisfied with their controls like me 🦅
I actually would really like that I was always curious about the differences
Please do this!
I think the consensus is that high sensitivity feels "more responsive" but nobody has hard evidence and apparently it barely makes any difference.
@@NutHoofd I've spent a lot of time on both settings and still unintentionally dashed or smashed at low sensitivity when I wanted to walk or tilt, or vice versa on high. Barring it being a placebo feature, I've come to believe the difference is incredibly insignificant.
Hopefully somebody gets some hard facts about it soon.
@@fernandobanda5734 Yeah, I'll definitely have to agree on that, I hope someone can actually show some proper evidence
Impracticality due to difficulty is nothing to a top player, sweet video my man
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I wrote a big thread on reddit/smashboards about Inklings ledgegrab, it is definitely a unique case and one worth talking about. Their ledgegrab is like fox magnet hands from smash 4, they grab it from so low that they are immune to all grounded attacks except eruption on the first frame of vulnerability and on the second frame, only vulnerable to particularly low-hitting hitboxes like ness yo-yo, k.rool stomp, c4 explosion. The vast majority of characters can not hit them whatsoever. When I see things like top lucina or fox players trying to 2-frame an inkling with dtilt or dsmash it's frustrating. It's literally impossible, but they never learn and miss 100% of the time.
That is good to know! Ty for sharing :D
The thumbnail is a beautiful work of art 🖼
Do tethers like Ivy's Up Special avoid the 2-frame? I'll check myself but it could save someone else some time here.
EDIT: Huge thanks to you guys for replying to this and for the pin! Super useful stuff. :)
Tethers do NOT put characters into that 2-frame animation. The character gets pulled to the ledge and becomes invulnerable (usually) as soon as the hand touches the ledge. But they can often still get hit out of that before they are completely at the ledge, similar to regular 2-frame punishes, it's just a bit harder to get them!
@@BeefySmashDoods Thank you! Also, I love all the work you put into the channel and community. It's admirable!
@@BeefySmashDoods Do we know how long the reel-in animations on tethers are? In PM, sometimes people would try to interrupt people reeling themselves in on tethers, and it was much easier to do on some characters than others due to how fast or slow they reeled in. Is the same possible in this game?
Beefy Smash Doods p
I'm not exactly the best player, but I do main PK Trainer, and I can say from experience that Ivysaur is punishable from the point the tether latches to when she grabs the ledge, and that people can and will target that window. Use of razor leaf against an edge trap or up-a against an edge guarder prior to up-b are the most effective defense I've found.
As if that wasn't enough to worry about, at certain positions, vine whip will go through the stage instead of targeting the ledge, which can be a legitimate way to attack, or when unintentional can force a switch to Charizard at best/cause an SD at worst. I don't know if other tether recoveries are quite as weird or risky.
The Thumbnail is just hillarious
When you comment before the video even starts.
*This is beyond science.*
Y’all mind if I ruin your 69 likes
@@JonLucy_downunder yes
This thumbnail is godlike
Ayy
@@Gonnluv Ayyaayyayy
"Easy to grab the ledge from above with zelda teleport" The number of times I've accidentally gone a little bit too low with that... T.T
This is why I love Simon, when he catches on with his whip, he can determine when he gets up and goes to the ledge.
Excellently hilarious thumbnail! Best one I've seen in a long time on RUclips!
Thank you. I just fought a Ness online yesterday that totally obliterated me with his Down Smash edgeguarding... this will be very useful information!
When Ike uses his neutral special to edge guard... and succeeds.. is it because the hitbox goes underneath the ledge, or because it's easier to 2 frame with this move since it lasts multiple frames?
I guess both. More space below the ledge means you can catch people even before the 2 frames. More time active means you have to time it less strictly.
@@fernandobanda5734 Exactly
Its bull crap if you ask me
Es el primer video que veo haciendo esto gracias amigo
Is the first video what a i am watch for this tanks friend
I am no speaking inglesh perfectly
What you're looking for is
"This is the first video that I see doing this, thanks friend."
En una pregunta, que = what.
"¿Que es tu comida favorita?"
"What is your favorite food?"
Pero, "que" tambien puede ser "that."
"Es el primer video que me gusta."
"This is the first video that I like."
Lo siento para español malo
The thumbnail is gold.
Omg that thumbnail. Fantastic.
lol people remember framedata for every move in 2d fighters to have an advantage in high level play and you just out here throwing statements like "is it useful to know? not really" out like that
Anyone want to talk about that 126-hit Palutena combo at 6:02?
so what exactly is a "beefy up b"? i've heard a term called stage slashing where wolf could forward b past a ledge by holding down to not grab onto it... is this the same thing?
Could you do that with directional airdodges as well, so that you will get the ledge-invulnerability as soon as the airdodge-invulnerability runs out?
Ooooooh yeah. That thumbnail, esketit
New drinking game : a shot for every time he rephrases the 2 frame punish explanation
I really love this channel
3:58 so that means I can hit them while they using a teleport skill? Isn’t an iFrame?
5 seconds earlier: "during which your character is invisible and invulnerable".
Spectacular thumbnail! :D
It feels way easier in this game. Nice you released for the new players.
I clicked on this video solely because of the thumbnail and was not disappointed.
If you shield some characters are invurnable at the first frame on some parts at their body (like [dark] samus, ridley and some other).
Yoshi is the most ineresting one because it is before and after his shield and looks crazy.
Just saying and hope that someone can test if this isnt a visual bug, because i am stupid and wasnt abel to do this.
Nice video by the way i like what you guys are doing.
I remember when Man vs. Wild ran. Loved that show.
3:09 While being close to it he says while they are all literally in the ledge lol
pika and samus
esam that you?
That thumbnail represents the Belmont’s tether recovery, except it’s better.
Is there anything special about tethering the ledge like with Samus or the Belmonts?
Can we get a video about the buffer please?
Every time they grab the ledge take a drink and do an impression of CFive. Every time they down smash finish your drink and say the vsauce intro
Impression of cFive? I will raise my eyebrow.
So has anyone tested if this technique is useful with Game & Watch?
Since he's fully invincible during his Up B
I two framed this video.
Marth's fsmash can hit the 2-frame, and it's super satisfying!
Top tier thumbnail
Good idea to show how to test today method.
Build a man a fire, he will be warm for a night.
Set a man on fire, he will be warm the rest of his life.
6:02 Palutena "126 combo" lol
when will we can purchase the dealer peach tshirt??
Ok but what about Lil Mac's Up-B ?
High quality video!
Okay cool, but how do you have a 126 hit combo with Palutena
This is so goods news for me. Thank you
How can i see the invulnerability hitbox?
You can turn it on in the training mode options. 6:25
The thumbnail tells how Little Mac mains feel when grabbing the ledge
tfw you’re earlier than the people that say early
Not really
If you pause at the right moment at 0:03 you'll see something you probably didn't expect.
I was at Schism. I see what you’ve done here BSD 👀
Ey mans how i have the wii u i buy the nintendo swtich to get ultimate or me stand with the wii u?
I was not aware of this mechanic... interesting...
You guys got the saying right
Nice Thumbnail xD
You should do turnip combos with every character
Great thumbnail
Upvoting just for that thumbnail
it premiered 2 hours ago but the comments say 3 hours ago
Basically if you’re up against a god you’re getting two framed and there’s nothing you can do I guess the best advice is just know the match up and learn how to recover based on the character
So we gonna ignore the fact that the poor Snake had to go from 3% to 80% to recover at the end of the video?
A bit late, but I’ve spiked people with Chrom’s Aether during the two frames.
Nice thumbnail.
2:41 Oh shit ! He called starfox characters "spacies" in non Melee smash !
You've deceived us, cFive.
Who didn’t know about the 2-frame punish before this?
I’m glad I found out about this!
not many people considering the target audience
Avoiding the Punish
I don't think my Yoshi will be able to avoid getting 2 framed
There's and easy way to find out if a recovery is able to be 2 frame punished, no matter the character
If I do it, then it is punishable
If the opponent does the same thing, it won't be punishable
Thanks you
Dr. Mario just happens to be my main.
can we PLEASE get the thumbnail art
I play Ike, so nobody 2-frame punishes me anyway-just exploiting my recovery in other ways.
I click on the video just cause the good thumbnail
Since you guys answer any question:
Can vegans partake in Beefy Smash Doods? Asking for a friend.
I mean Mac is the only character who doesn’t have the two frames because as soon as you hit him off the stage it’s not even worth recovering...
An L press is an L press. You can't say it's only 1 frame.
I’m here becomes of the thumbnail
Poppt used this today
sick frame
*Airdodge to the stage ledge*
2-frame punish: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yo wait Kirby can't be 2-framed? Epic
Looks hot 👀
Ike mains and Chrom mains get oofed
Why do you premier videos in the middle of a week day?? I've got work and can't watch.
Dude it’s literally half seven where I am
Then watch it later. Not everyone is working rn and some people have the time
It half nine where i am
they are europeans
I spike those bois
*laughs in dedede*
Poor Ganon couldn’t game end Snake
When are we getting Veggie Smash Doods?
Beefy Up-B 😂
So... no years of research for a game 5 months old?