Tesla FSD almost WRECKED my Model Y
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Tesla Full Self Driving Supervised 12.3.3 is incredible, but can be DANGEROUS. Here's what I've learned after a week of using it in my 2021 Model Y Long Range. It almost caused a wreck on the highway! Not fun.
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0:00 FSD is incredible, but...
0:49 lane changing problems
1:31 FSD almost caused a wreck
3:44 how Tesla can improve FSD
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Any warning, red car on display? I get that often if I approach a car to quickly. Also, any chance you inadvertantly disengaged FSD with a slight brake tap? You said "coasting." Did you not feel any regenerative braking? Thanks.
Ben So glad your not an ELON NUT HUGGER and your being 1000% honest on FSDs FAILS
lol I'm 100% honest in my vids. I love my model Y but it's far from perfect
The problem might be that after removing radar and USS and never adopting Lidar the Tesla has no sensors for really measuring distances! All is based on a 3D model made from the cameras only....
Agreed 👏🏼
He has USS
@@BFArch0n Would not be used in newer software versions, even if it is there...
This is the most reasonable explanation I believe. It begs the question, if you want to make a software solution better than a human, is limiting it to similar sensors really the best approach? Well, it's certainly the cheaper approach.
@@dmwalker24 You need lots of "human intelligence" and experience to estimate distances as everyone knows who tried to park without any technical support.
I would make much more sense to use sensors for that for autonomous driving...
I noticed that FSD has a problem with slowing down if the car in front of it is black, It seems like it has a vision problems with black cars. Not all the time but on occasions.
Yikes 🫨
interesting
Racist AI
@@kdelete4949😂
Mine never happened like this but I am more experienced with FSD meaning I usually intervene earlier. Was this the latest version of FSD u had? Sounds like u have had an older version with all these issues
Can you upload the FSD visualization too?
One thing to note is that freeway driving is still on fsd v11 and not fsd v12.
Regardless, the car should be safe 😢, specially on the Freeway.
Didn’t know that! Interesting 🧐
So=
They promised full self driving "Next year" every year for almost ten years.
And one million robotaxi on the roads by 2020.
Our Volvo model year 2018 would have handled this situation.
Tesla is just bad crap and this will continue year after year.
I had an issue and had to hit the breaks the other day on the highway very similar to yours. A wall of cars just at a standstill, and it was barreling towards them. Definitely have to stay on top of this system and at times it is dangerous.
ugh that sucks! it's legit terrifying when that happens 🫨
Ive experienced almost everything you described, except FSD not stopping or slowing down when a car is in front of me. This makes me think that something might be wrong with your front camera. I would definitely have this serviced.
might look into that!
@@b3naqua That was a correct comment. I have used almost all versions of FSD and not stopping when a car is Infront of me has never happened.
There are rare incidents in FSD videos on RUclips, where we see that FSD is enabled, and FSD willingly drives into the space in front of it occupied by another vehicle. We tend to forget that the way we think of situations as being consistent with each other is very different from how software and AI work. We think in very broad constructs and easily generalize across situations. AI is going to see uniqueness in every single situation it ever encounters. None are ever identical. And this can make it seem to behave differently in situations that to us appear to be "the same."
Checking the cameras is always a good idea. But this type of error is not unprecedented with recent builds of FSD.
I wonder if the fact that you have an Intel processor could be part of the issue. I have the Rizen processor and haven't experienced any of these issues, and I've been in several identical situations.
hello from san marcos, just got my Y.
congrats!
Musk said, "By 2017, Tesla cars could be driving all the way across the country without any hands on the wheel". 🤥 🐻
It should auto enable hazards when going well under the speed limit on the highway, I do it manually when cars brake hard like that ahead of me to warn people behind me they better slow the F down QUICK
could see that being a useful feature!
WOW, I’ve used it for a year and put thousands of FSD highway miles and none of that has ever happened to me. But city driving is scary.
Absolutely agree with you on lane change. I also noticed my model Y tends to stay on the right lane most of the time although I need to make a left turn like 2 miles ahead. I prefer the car remains in the left lane for a few miles before it has to make a left turn. FSD needs to link up with Starlink satellites to have a bird's view to ensure it can stop the car in time for an emergency. At least it can scan for a radius of 1/2 mile distance to keep the driver safe.
Agreed! It desperately needs more than just what the cameras show in realtime. LIDAR, radar, etc + the cameras would be ideal.
At 2:30 , it is not surprising that FSD didn't press the brake in time, when traffic suddenly stopped.
Tesla only has cameras. The sensors have been *removed* to increase profits for Tesla Corporation.
Other EVs have Radar, Lidar, or Ultrasonic sensors, which can accurately measure distance. Tesla has *none* of those.
Humans accurately measure distance with our eyes so cameras should be able to do the same with a good neural net.
@@Alex-yo1zg Human eyes are stereoscopic, ultra high resolution and pipe that data directly into an advanced brain, designed by God.
FSD's little cell phone cameras, and forever beta software, cannot compare to a human!
@@DerekDavis213 Why bring God into the discussion? That's like arguing humans are better at long division because calculators weren't designed by God.
Tesla's camera are stereoscopic as well, multiscopic I suppose as it builds a 3D model from multiple viewpoints, not just two.
The solution is better trained neural net models, which hopefully we're seeing with 12.3.4 .5 and as of today .6.
@@robb233 A human driver can survey an *entirely* unfamiliar scene, analyze it, and quickly make the correct decision.
The simple minded FSD needs mountains of training data, and then it looks for crude 'patterns'. FSD cannot survey an unfamiliar scene, and analyze it. Only a human brain, designed by God, can do that.
FSD is a basic Level 2 assistant. Nothing more.
@@DerekDavis213 I'm sorry, but you don't seem to realize that human drivers become good drivers by having mountains of training data via years of practise and applying learned patterns to new situations. It's not magic.
This is what the 'neural' of 'neural net trained' means. Its a very similar approach with astonishing results, growing stronger by the week.
Neural nets are already outperforming humans in other types of detection tests outside of driving. Do you honestly think we've reached some plateau in the first 12 months?
I'm not arguing your faith in God, more power to you, I'm just asking you to realize more and more things we do, we are discovering how to transfer to the machines we build.
Your video shows the Jeep in front of you and it appears to have made a sudden stop. It also appears that a car in front of the Jeep moved over to the far left, perhaps partially onto the shoulder, suggesting that it, too, was reacting to a sudden and unexpected stop in traffic. The Tesla appears to have reacted just like the cars ahead reacted.
Thanks, important to get honest reviews of the current state today, not just where everyone sees it heading.
yep, the v11 highway stack sucks nuts
fr tho
If Tesla didn't remove radar, the occurrences of phantom braking, slamming into barriers, and poor distances estimations would be nil. Besides Waymo, I think that lucid has the best sensor suite in any production car. Unfortunately the software isn't there yet to take advantage of it.
agreed ugh
I actually have the opposite experience. I don't have FSD, but my model 3 always prompts me too early when the car in front is slowing down.
That’s the forward collision warning system. You can change its sensitivity in settings.
I just took delivery of a 2024 MY a week or so ago and FSD has been great for the most part. I have been in similar situations to your video but it slowed down just as I would have and acted normal with zero issues. I have seen some hesitation with lane changing if I have it set below assertive. The one thing that I don't like is that it waits until pretty close to the exit when on a highway to get over to the right. I often find myself hitting the blinker to force it over earlier so I don't miss it. Now would I spend $12k to keep it after the trial... probably not. I could see myself spending $4-5k maybe..
Was it truly FSD at play there or AP since you were on a highway?
I'm referring to 3:10
@@ArielChelsauit’s autopilot which is not the end to end model of v12. It’s a program that uses AI instead of AI. FSD is what runs on non-highway roads.
The car in front of you did sort of panic stop and while FSD should have started slowing earlier, I believe it moved forward a bit at the end because it saw that SUV behind you not slowing down. It was probably trying to give as much room as possible behind.
agreed
Thank you for making the video, sorry about getting rear ended. I turned off FSD after playing with the free trial for a few weeks. It’s cool to watch the car drive itself, but it almost drove me into the side rail on a busy highway merge. I guess that’s why it’s labeled FSD “beta”.
No its not labeled FSD beta. It's labeled FSD Supervised. Also, you are safer using FSD Supervised than driving alone. Something to consider.
"its needs better technology" It did. It had radars which are good for judging distance.
I miss those radars 😭
The failure to stop will always occur if even a small amount of accelerator is being applied. This can easily happen accidentally and every driver should know that it disengages or over-rides the automatic braking/stop. You will get an on screen warning,. I believe this is likely what happened to you. As other commenters have noted, I have not had this behavior in 12,000 miles of coast to coast FSD driving the last 4 months.
🐻 yeah I don’t like the jerking in the over cautious lane change. It does brake too hard in my opinion and likes the far left lane too much on highway.
agreed!
Have been a beta tester for 2 Years. FSD takes time to get used to. Yes it is like a teen learning. AI is artificial not real intelligence. It will not precognition long distance situational awareness due to camera range and lack of forebrain :-) It is more of a assistant. The Ghost braking in the past seems to have gone however it might come back or not brake at all as in your case. In congested traffic it does a poor job of pre planning what lane to be in. Even past versions had this problem. I make sure it is in the correct lane half mile before.
Good info! Thanks
It's possible it was stopping but saw you were about to be rear ended and pulled forward to try to lessen that but it had no where to go and you slammed the brakes (as you should)....def didn't almost kill you, looked like you were going like 5 mph when you hit the brakes.
facts
If you slow down from far away and slowly, the risk of being rear ended is minimal.
Even with old v11 stack and autopilot, I haven’t seen that ever before. FSD likely disengaged and you had the red alert asking you to take control and good thing you did. I do get random alerts to take control even though there is no immediate danger or even a change.
My experience is the opposite and FSD v12.3 does sudden stop too often, and it is not as gradual. Again this is highway stack anyway, so not really comparable.
Which version did you use? I never experienced this and I have been using 12.3.3 on highway driving 30mi/ day with assertive mode for the last 10 days. It has been very reliable at slowing down with traffic even at high speed 75mph. So far my experience has been good and I'm very impressed. A few improvement are still needed but I'm confortable using by default.
That’s awesome! I’m on 12.3.3
You might want to try recalibrating your cameras. Couldn't hurt.😊
might try that!
Is it still v11 on the highways? I believe so. v12 is way better. I tried in a friends car but didnt try on highways.
It is still v11 stack on the highway.
This also demonstrates that without FSD it is just as dangerous given the car behind rear ending him was not on FSD and likely from driver not paying attention
Tesla should fix this ASAP
Fr
That's not FSD. It is the really old autopilot stack.
I was wondering the same thing
Ah makes sense. It sucks lol
It wouldn't have happened if it was fitted with LiDAR.
It’s not perfect,
Need to know when to use it, and when to disengage
Makes sense - it’s smart to know its strengths and weaknesses for sure!
Curious if you have same experience with 12.3.4. I noticed that the car is better with the distance of the car in front of me now.
Good to hear! Didn’t know there was a new version already 👏🏼
Did you report? Help to make it better of course.
I wish I did, but it all happened so fast (esp getting rear ended) and I couldn't report the incident in time 🥲
Use my fsd daily. No major issues. Just inconsiderate robot issues
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angry tesla elitists gunna eat this up! brace yourself man!!! glad youre safe man! I wonder why it didnt stop fully.
yeah it's a mystery tbh 🙃
Thanks for risking your life to feed the algorithm
sigh
Nah, it’s way better than I had thought. It drives nicely on highway.
Seems scary...I wouldnt trust it in the slightest lol
I disabled FSD after that almost wreck 💀
On highways, FSD is still v11, so here, it is performing less well.
Ah k
who is responsible? the car behind you? but still messed up bc it was FDS fault
(not saying you should be responsible)
the rear-ender is at fault since they were following me way too closely
Your FSD should have slowed down.
But the driver who rear-ended you is still at fault for not paying attention. At his distance, he had PLENTY of time to react.
People are willing to give up their driving skills for convenience! But, any self driving system needs to work 99.999% correctly, or else one could end up in the hospital or dead! A claim that the self driving system is better than a human is bogus at best! 😊😊😊😊
agreed! 👏🏼
Sounds like the human driving behind you did not do better than FSD
Wow! I’m glad you weren’t seriously injured with getting rear ended. It may also be that FSD on the highway in not Neural Network, it’s deterministic.
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_FSD on the highway in not Neural Network, it’s deterministic._
FSD has been in beta for almost *four* *years* . Tesla needs to get their act together. FSD is still barely a Level 2 driving assistant.
Full autonomy is still a long ways off.
I bet the car behind you kept going because the Tesla did not have the brake lights on or not consistent. When humans get into one of those situations they break a bit or ride the brake alerting the vehicle behind.
Ooof yeah that's a really good point! Tesla brake lights do tend to be so last minute 🫨 also fkn everybody tailgates so hard lol which is v annoying as well
@@b3naqua We should invite Elon to Perry's for a Chop dinner and perhpas he will fix stuff! (I will even pay, but not for booze)
The brake lights come on if you are decelerating faster than a gentle slowdown. The car Infront of you stopped fairly suddenly, you can see that by looking at its position relative to the truck beside it. In the length of the truck it's gone from going faster than the truck to completely stopped. I think someone was always going to get rear ended in that situation. Having said that, I've only got autopilot and i turn that off in heavy traffic..
@@EwanM11 oh, What I was saying is that if the Tesla is creeping perhpas the brake light was not on. A pain either way. Slow/stopped traffic in the fast lane is always extra risky.
My biggest problem with this system is the other people on the road. I understand the way humans behave when driving. I can often predict the way they will react. I cannot predict what the software will do, and I have no way of knowing if you're driving, or it is. Your vehicle was behaving strangely, and the other driver likely reacted based on the assumption of a human driver. The one thing that is beyond dispute is that beta testing software to control a 2 ton machine with ~300 HP, should never have been legal on public roads.
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FSD is not for me. Let along having to pay for it.
same
Perhaps FSD accelerated again because a vehicle was approaching from behind? Otherwise the car would have hit you all the more, I think.
Yeah that could be it. But it also would’ve caused my car to rear end the car in front of me :(
That's why it is supervised mate. Still in beta.
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So far I don’t have any of those issues. It seems very smooth. I surprised it is getting amazing.
That’s awesome!
very disappointing behavior by FSD 12.3.3 BUT both lane change and 'rear end' problem are likely fixable by showing FSD lots of video of cars doing these things properly. I bet these wont be happening a month from now.
hopefully!
I’ve seen about 6 V12 FSD posts. Your experience is by far the worst so far.
Most folks have had a really good experience except state that the car doesn’t quite drive like they would.
It would improve with time but to be honest, I think that development in FSD is mind blowing and expecting perfection in this constantly evolving scenario is a little bit much.
I do appreciate the danger one could be in when leaving everything to the machine. Which is why, I wouldn’t just let it go and sleep at the wheel. Besides, I like driving too much.
How many people will die if this goes to ROBOTAXI? 😢
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FSD = FAILED SELF DRIVING or FALSE SELF DRIVING
fr tho
Interesting, but a little odd how different your experience is compared to so many other people posting.
your model Y is too old. need to get rid off those radar sensor
mine is a 2021 which is camera-only
You almost killed you. Not the car.
true but also it should be able to handle a very common dangerous highway scenario 100% of the time
@@ZachMeador and the second you see it not slowing down YOU should slow it down
If you remember anything I teach you PEEPS - ELON LIED PEOPLE DIED
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I do experience it driving into stops, i normally take over and coast into my stop especially if someone is driving too close for that speed. Second it should position in exit lane a lot earlier. Instead of F-ing SD you should supervise FSD😊
it's like supervising a teen driver going thru dank puberty lmao