I demo'd the Montero AX and AR yesterday. I wasn't impressed with the AR. Nothing negative, but it just didn't grab me. The AX, on the other hand, was amazing. Short turns, long turns, fast, slow, hard snow, soft snow...had me grinning from ear-to-ear by the time I got back to the shop and bought a pair.
I had the same experience! Tried the AR and the AX today, and while there's nothing wrong with the AR, I liked the AX much more. Both are great at high speeds, but the AX is also fun when going in chill speeds. It also initiates a turn more easily. Both were fine in the afternoon in slush, heavy conditions. I'll definitely buy an AX - it's absolutely amazing.
Not long back from a week's skiing in Switzerland where I rented 173cm AX (I'm 5'10", 165lbs Advanced (but no expert)). I found them very rewarding skis for fast GS turns on groomed pistes, which is my rhythm, and also good on the soft powder and gnarly in-between piste type of skiing. The only area I struggled a bit was on steeper icier pitches but that speaks more to the skier's technique rather than the equipment I think!!! Highly recommended.
Just bought mine from your website. Appreciate all the work and information you put into your videos, definitely the best ski reviews on RUclips! Can’t wait to carve my first turns at Mt Sutton in a couple of months
Awesome! Have a blast. We can't wait to get on ours as well! Sutton is on my list of places to ski--looks right up my alley, and not too far from where we are, either! SE
@@SkiEssentials I haven’t skied Stowe in decades but I hope to get down this winter! Sutton definitely has that same type of terrain with lots of glades, not much grooming and challenging runs. Definitely check the snow reports though because the snow making is not our strong suit, after a good dump of snow it’s a magical place. Hope to see you on your Ax’s this winter, have a great season!
bought a pair of these skis from you and took them out on Stowe last week. an incredible ski. meant to be driven hard for the advanced skier. super smooth ride. had a chance to ski periwinkle from top to bottom with no one on the trail. i let the ski's rip and had one of the best runs of my life. Just Awesome! performed great on the ice too. as if i didn't even know there was ice underneath..........when the conditions got a little rough later in the day, this ski just blasted through like a hot knife through butter.
I had the pleasure of demo'ing both the Montero AX and the Laser SX. I've never skied on Stockli skis before. I've been using a pair of Nordica enforcer 94's all season. LOVE the SX's on the groomers. I forced them into the woods and down a steeper mogul run but it was work and not much fun. The AX's were absolutely great on everything. Did the trees with 2 day old powder, railed the groomers, bumped the bumps. Great skis, I'm really hoping they'll sell me the loaners (slightly discounted) One point about your reviews, It'd be awesome if you'd do some mogul runs, even with skis not entirely suited to moguls. Some of us don't have unlimited budgets and try to make skis do what they want instead of buy another ski for that situation. That said, great video, thanks for what you do!
I did buy the demo Montero AX's absolutely love them. This past Saturday, was snowing lightly most of the day and everything was absolutely stellar. Skied the trees, bumps, groomers and the AX's just floated through everything.
I own a pair of 2015 Stockli Laser AX's which I have skied in the New England area for years. If you want better hard snow performance you should have the skis stone ground and tuned to base 1 / edge 2 or 3 degrees. These skis and the AR's are shipped from the factory with a base 1.5 / edge 2 which is fine for Europe or the Western US where you are mostly sking on soft snow. I will be buying a pair of Montero AX's to replace mine. These are skis that you can ski with your family all day or race with your friends as fast as you dare. They ARE that good.
Base 1.5 is absolutely NOT fine for Europe mate :):) Dunno who told you that we-Europeans ski soft snow, but that's really not the case, trust me on that. End of December through almost end February it is either icy and hard or hard and icy, take your pick. Depends on where you are in Europe of course but this is what I ski. I see soft snow from Mid March on and even then it is not guaranteed. That's why I keep my AX at 1/3 for the days I ski them, which get fewer and farther between as I moved to WRT/SR95 combo.
Just grabbed these today at and end of year demo sell off. I think I am one of the only people who ever demoed the skis I bought. The Strive 13 bindings were still set for my boots. $774 after tax for an amazing ski. Can't wait to get out on them. Unfortunately, it's March 7, and there is no snow left in Western NY.
I bought the Laser SX last year and love them! They definitely cured me of any back seat stuff; you CANNOT ski these in the back seat! My guess is the Monteros will be the same. Bob says, "they'll let you know if you're in the backseat." The way they let you know is by shooting out from under you and knocking you on your ass 😂!! After 3-5x doing that, you no longer ski in the backseat. Here is how I'd describe them after skiing other brands: they are precise with a creamy flexion. The reward for good technique is very pronounced. While they don't necessarily punish bad technique (except backseat stuff), you learn quickly when you're leaving something on the table with how you're skiing them. Backseat? Don't even think about it. I don't think these are good for early intermediates but more advanced intermediates, and those ready to crossover to advanced, can learn a lot from skiing these. You will really "feel it" when you have your act together on these. It's like, "oh, that's how I'm supposed to do it...." These skis inspire high confidence in edge holds; no worries about washing out on turns if you're trying not to.
Wanted a demo…the store had the AR in the 180 and the AX in the 183cm. I’m 6’0, 165lb. I absolutely loved the ski. I like aggressive carving and mix up GS w/Slalom type turns. My other two daily skis are an Enforcer 100 (185 - 2020 ski) and Dynastar Speed Course Ti’s in a 171cm. I love the versatility of the Dynastar in that I can hit the groomers, but also Great Scott in the right conditions (pack powder…w/some loose stuff)..and it does great. Looking for a replacement though…a dedicated front mountain ripper w/a primary focus of tearing up the groomed runs. I think 183 was too long…as I my back tired out a bit (I’m 51yrs) and I wondered if the length had something to do w/that…but don’t know. The question is how short do I go on this thing. Do I dare go to the 168…or maybe the 173? Any guidance is appreciated. I’m an expert charger…prefer playful, but like to open it up w/the longer faster turn on occasion…Curious what @skiessentials thinks as well…. thank you!
I'm concerned about the 183. I don't think zooming past the 173 makes sense--that length is probably right in the sweet spot, especially if you're looking for a mix of high performance and easy access.
The Montero AX is a great ski, just spent last week at Purgatory and Telluride with them Skiing all over the mountain, on hardback to fresh over the boot snow. Worked great Skiing slow with my wife who is learning to ski, and also carving up the mountain at speed when I was out exploring on my own. Fantastic clean turns, very smooth, also can be playful through chop using it to back off and power though the turn.
Hi there, I am an high intermediate skier. I am 170 cm high and weight 60 kg. I ski with the Laser SX on piste, but I would like a more all around ski more apt to ski on “wet snow” (spring snow). I am wondering if the Montero AX would be a good choice improving on my SX experience Thank you Rino
Hi Jeff and Bob - I liked the Stokli Montero AX review you did. Talk to me more about why I may want the Look Pivot binding you two favor versus the Color match solomon binding they recommend. Also, I'm a 5'5" male at 170lbs, 57 yrs old and I ski pretty hard still... I ride a Blizzard Rustler at 172cm (102 under foot) out west as my all mountain ski. Skied Big Sky last year... However, I will be out east more than west this year (especially early in the season), and know the crud we need to deal with having grown up in CT. So, I'm struggling between the 168cm and 173cm Montero AX, because I want it fast, more than I want to pop around in hard, icy moguls. I'm also leaning toward the 173cm length, given the playfulness of the AX vs. the Montero AR and I'm thinking I can muscle the additional 5cm (173 vs. 168) more on the AX than if I had chosen the AR... What are your thoughts?
The Pivot is great because it allows for a more natural flex of the ski due to a shorter mounting point. The color match binding sits on a demo track, which is fine, and looks incredible, but also creates a firm spot underfoot. Some skiers may prefer this, especially on a more front-side ski like the AX, but I like the lower, shorter Pivot just from a snow feel perspective. Be sure to get the 75 mm brake as the 95 is too wide for this ski if you go the Pivot route. As for length, the 168 seems like it fits your stats and application better, but if you know you prefer longer skis, I'm not going to talk you out of it.
You guys did a good job of explaining how the Torsion Control slit is physically different from the turtle shell interlocking slit. Could you comment a bit on the difference in feel between the two?
Sure! First I'll say I think it feels more similar than different. Both allow for more articulation, which is noticeable on turn initiation. I do, however, think skis with Turtle Shell have that feel where the harder you push them, the stronger they feel. Monteros don't necessarily feel that way. They're plenty strong, in my opinion, but the Turtle Shell almost gives a ski a split personality depending on how you're skiing it, while the Montero feels more consistent. There are benefits to both.
Hi guys, thanks for the awesome reviews! Between these and Thunderbird WB, which do you think behaves better in irregular snow on the groomers? Chopped afternoon stuff, some bumps, scrapped ice, occasional 10 cm of fresh snow which gets moved around.
There's a bit more compliance and mobility with the AX in softer and irregular snow. The Thunderbird is slightly happier on smooth and firm surfaces while the Stockli can be manipulated easier to accommodate variable conditions.
Thanks! You'll notice a quicker edge to edge mobility in the SC and a preference for a shorter turn. I love the SC because it's still got a somewhat flexible shovel so it's not so hooky at the initiation phase.
Thanks! Meant to ask a question regarding your on trail reviews. Do you adjust the factory tune to your preference? I find a 1.4 base a little odd. Any thoughts on that?
The Montero skis are smoother. More vibration damping and a very supple feel. Huge sweet spot. Deacons feel more reactive. They aren't as quiet or as smooth. In a lot of ways, the skis accomplish the same thing, they just feel different. Not much can match how smooth these Monteros are.
Great review, so in-depth. Almost can feel myself skiing it! Just a question on mounting? These have been around for two years now, has there been any discussion on mounting these forward of the mark and how far? I have a pair of IDone mogul skis 183cms and the mounting point is 100mm further forward than the 183cm AX! (plus I mount 20mm forward on my mogul skis.) I was thinking of mounting my AX's at least 25mm maybe even 30mm forward with a pivot of course. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Continue the great work on the reviews.
Stockli has made the move in their Stormrider series to push the mount point forward 1cm. I feel it is justified in these skis as well, especially if you're used to a more forward point. I do think that +2.5/3 is a bit aggressive, but this is a path you must walk yourself.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you, I'll do some more research. Just one correction, it's not 100mm forward on my mogul ski. It's only 40mm forward of the stockli AX mark. Not sure how I got 100mm!!!?? Thanks again.
That wall of Stockli makes my heart sing man, not gonna lie :) Please WRT Pro next, I am soooooo buying these…Please take 'em to the steepest, iciest slope around and give 'em some solid thrashing. :)
So, I want to make sure I got this straight. Last year I demoed the Laser AX; it was magical. (The only reason I didn't buy it was that a couple other skis on my shortlist were unavailable due to supply chain/inventory issues.) You're saying I didn't blow it; I can still get more-or-less the same thing in the Montero? I have Nordica Enforcer 100s for the "powder" end of the all- mountain spectrum, so I'm covered there. I want carvers or all-mountain skis that borderline carvers (i.e., 75mm to 80mm-ish under foot). Is the Montero AX for me? What about something else in the 75mm range? I want something I can ski all day, but also carve like a maniac.
Hey Steve! No, you absolutely didn't blow it. The Montero AX would be a fantastic ski to complement your Enforcer 100s. Don't feel like you need to go narrower, 80 still carves extremely well and functions a little better as an all-mountain ski. There are certainly options in the 75 mm range too, but everything in that width range is going to feel less capable as an all-mountain ski. Hope that helps.
I have ridden Nordicas enforcers and I got my dads stockli stormrider 95 and I thought to myself there really is a difference the lack of chatter the smoothness in turns and mixed snow the quality is unmatched from the “big box” companys
I just picked up some Monterro AX (183) skis, and was surprised to see how much more "rearward" the mounting of the bindings are compared to my older Elan Ripstick 88's. This is my first pair of Stockli's. Does this sound correct to you folks?
It does seem back, but when I put my Montero AR up next to my Head Kore 93, the mount point is the same. I think the long effective edge factors in to the visual component. Since Stockli did move the mount point forward 1cm on their Stormrider series of skis this past year, it's not unreasonable to assume you can do the same on these Monteros.
thanks for the video guys. Love them! Dumb question, but I get confused by the naming conventions... Can you remind me the difference b/w the AR and AX?
AR is wider by 4 mm in the Montero line. Basically you're choosing between a quicker edge to edge feel in the AX or more soft snow capabilities and a more all-mountain focused performance in the AR.
@@SkiEssentials I tested both the Montero AX and AR this spring and found the AR more stable and the AX more playful and unstable. Since I really like quite fast carving I went for AR. They suite me better being en ex-racer.
As an 80mm, I am impressed with how they perform in moguls compared to a pure narrow mogul ski ( I also ride an ID1 and Rossignol Hero mogul ski), and they just carv perfectly once you get out of mogul field. This is a smooth, precise but most importantly FUN ski to ride.
Thanks for great reviews. You talked about binding options for AR/AX and I think you mentioned LOOK Pivot? Which bindings would you recomend to AX/AR? Also, rumors says that the next seasons AR/AX will be adopted to backcountry (Drifting further away from laser). Have you heard something? As I already have a pair of WRT SL and Edge FT, I need a ski with that GS feel more moe than backcountry, so I think I will buy the 23/24 verson.)
The Pivot works great on the AX with the 75 mm brake. I find the 95 to be on the wide side for the AR--I have a Salomon STH 16 on my AR and it works great. For next year, we're seeing a slightly different tip technology in the Montero AX and AR, with another Torsion Grip slit cut in the metal. This will increase the slow speed capacity of the ski but the technology exists so that the ski locks in place at higher speeds. We found no downside to this new tech, and a boost in how easy they turn when going slower.
The guy who works at the store where I got the Deacon 84 said, if you love that ski (Deacon 84) you'll want to Demo a pair of Stocklis. How do these two brands compare? I skied the RTM UVO 84 which is what got me to buy the Deacon 84... because I liked the precision of the Volkls.
The Montero AR at 84 mm underfoot is more of a direct comparison to the Deacon 84, and in that sense, the Montero is stronger, smoother, and more stable than the Deacon. Montero feels like a race ski, and is so incredibly quiet, but it's not quite as versatile as the Deacon. You're getting a very premium product with either AR or AX, just a bit of a width difference depending on preference and application.
@@SkiEssentials What do you mean by versatility? The Deacons already feel like they're carving only as compared to my previous skis. They don't smear as well etc. So the Monteros are even more focused in that regard? Or do you mean snow conditions?
The Laser AX is the greatest ski I've ever skied. I'm a bit concerned that perhaps Stockli has "tamed" it down to the Montero AX, but I'll reserve judgment until I get to demo them. Thanks for this review. I'm a little less nervous, but that one comment "Montero now bridges the gap between Laser and Stormrider" is a succinct summary of my concerns.
What are some less expensive alternatives to this kind of ski? I’m looking for a great carver but has some all mtn capabilities. I’m 6’4, 190lbs advanced skier
I'd check out the Volkl Deacon 80, Rossignol Experience 82Ti, and the Armada Declivity 82Ti. All of these skis have the carving prowess but also some off-trail acumen as well.
Thanks for the videos. Jeff, I see you liking the AX over AR and the Pivot binding, but I guess missed why AR with Pivot is your preference. Could you elaborate? Thank you!
The Pivot on the AR is in a bit of a grey zone with the brake widths. The 75 mm brake works on the 80 mm AX, but will not stretch to the AR. Conversely, the 95 brake is a bit too wide for my liking on the 84 mm AR. The Salomon STH 16 with the 90 mm brake fits really, really well on the AR for me.
Thanks for the awesome product review S.E. Can u compare the montero ax or the ar directly to the Kastle MX 83. Any info would be great such as stiffness, edge hold, crud or funky snow. Thanks in advance***
Hi Pauly! I think both the Monteros feel a little softer than the MX 83, especially the AR. Or maybe more supple would be a better way to describe it than softer. Smoother? There's just something about them that feels very easy and smooth, without sacrificing performance. MX 83s don't feel quite as easy to ski to me. I do think it's fair, however, to say the MX is more precise, and arguably with more torsional stiffness, but I'm not sure everyone would notice that difference. Hope that helps!
Which Kastle ski would be the better comparison, the MX series, or the DX? I Recently purchased a pair of Kastle DX85s, Because I was seeking something similar to the MX, but a bit more playful. This review is giving me buyers remorse! Sounds like the Montero is similar???(but probably better )
I would say the closest comparison is the MX83. Realistically, I think the Montero AX is basically in between the DX and MX, but that's kind of over-simplifying things. The DX85 and the Montero AR would be a closer comparison, I suppose, but I still think the MX is closer. DX feels more like a true all-mountain ski to me, while the Monteros and MX feel like they at least lean a little more towards frontside-focused performance.
Awesome review. Can’t wait to learn more about upcoming new offering from Stocklï. I was considering the gs but I want to know about that silver ski on your wall …
They're both a ton of fun. If I were choosing a ski to race on, I would go with the GS, but if I was just buying a ski for carving and wasn't going to race on it, I would go WRT Pro. The WRT has a shorter radius, which I think would feel a bit twitchy in a GS course, but if you're just out to make rewarding carves, the WRT is so much fun.
I have some Head SuperShape iRally’s and I enjoy them. They’re 76mm underfoot, would these be a natural progression from a pure frontside carver to a more all mountain? Granted I take the SS all over the mountain unless it’s a huge powder day. Even on tracked pow, the Heads have a good enough shovel to not get buried in a few inches of powder. But these Stockli’s look sick and might be good enough as a one ski quiver.
Hi, I have the stockli laser SC and also the volkl deacon 80. I'm thinking of changing the deacon 80 for the stockli montero AX. Does it justify the change? Is there much difference between the SC lasers and the Montero AX? thanks
Hi Filipe! The construction makes them feel roughly the same, but the AX with the extra width and longer arc has more of a GS style to it. I don't think it's silly to look one wider to the Montero AR if you're looking to differentiate a bit more. Have fun! SE
Was told by an ex ski racer the new ski skis nothing like the old ax...he has skied on both..said the difference is very evident...i skied the old ax for about 10 days at the end of the season this yr and it is hands down best ski I have ever used...incredible everywhere...truly a 1 quiver ski...as for the storm rider.. has horrible shovel initiation feel but i didnt get to put much time on to figure out..will have to ski on the new ax before I purchase a pair I guess...
Hey Nick! There's a difference between them, but in our experience and opinion, it's a pretty small difference. I'm surprised to hear he thinks they ski "nothing" like the old AX. I think even Stockli would be surprised to hear that feedback.
It's like a slightly softer flexing ski that falls right in between the MX75 and MX83 in width. Definitely some similarities between them. I'd say the MX skis feel more precise (also more demanding), while Monteros feel smoother and more user-friendly without sacrificing too much power or precision.
Alright! I’m sold, but have a question or two that I hope you can assist. I am a 59 year old skier who has been at it since I was 10. I’m now 59 years old 220 lbs with grumpy knees, with back probs. I do enjoy my Ripsticks 96, 180cm, in the Pacific NW off piste, but on piste on colder days on piste I can only slarve. Given my weight and ability, (59 yrs old, 220 lbs, former expert now advanced). What length would you advise I purchase? Thank you in advance!
You'll definitely see it in our Ski Test results later this summer and we'll do our best to put together a longer review too. If we don't get to it this spring/summer/fall, we are planning more Faction content next winter.
HI Guys, I am an advanced to expert Female skier 167 cm, 75 Kgs, 45 yrs old. I ski mostly in New Zealand with the odd trip overseas - Japan - Canada. I have the Stockli Laser SL for Masters Racing, and have the 2017 Laser AX 167cm for all mountain, WHICH I LOVE!!! As well as a New Zealand Ski the C6 Carbon Apollo for touring/backcountry/side country. If I am replacing the Laser AX, should I get the Montero AX or AR, and what length please? Thank you
Hi Jennifer! You'll get closer performance to your current Laser AX with the new Montero AX. I think I would probably stay there, with the AX. For length, I would probably go 168. Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentials Thank you for your fab reviews and advice! My brand new Montero AX 168s are being mounted w Look Pivot bindings as we speak, can't wait to get out there...
Definitely some similarities, although they feel different to me. The Montero feels more supple. It's smoother and just rolls into a carving turn so easily and so nicely. On the other hand, I think it's fair to say the Deacon is more responsive and more reactive. Stiffer flex pattern, or at least it feels that way when you ski it. Not as smooth, more energetic and reactive. Hope that helps!
Flex pattern is about the same between them. I think it's fair to say the Montero feels more precise, but that's coming more from the difference in width than anything else.
The Montero is a softer flexing ski, less demanding, more versatile, but without the same power as the Disruption Ti2. That's my (Jeff) normal race ski, and there's really quite a big difference between the two. The Disruption Ti2 feels more like the Laser GS. It leans much closer to being a true race ski.
Can you please compare this to 2023 Rossignol Experience 82 Ti.. I am 6'2 210lbs what size should I get I am Intermediate/Advanced. Can you let me know what to do get 2023 Rossignol Experience 82 Ti or ski? What size is better for my hight. Thanks
HI Allan! The Experience does everything that the Montero does, it's just not quite as refined or quiet. Both are fantastic front side skis that have a wider-bodied format for all-mountain versatility, but still mainly focus on the carving side of the sport. The Montero has a wider range--better at both high and low speeds while the Experience is a bit happier in the middle. The quality of the Stockli is off the charts, and it's a noticeable difference in terms of performance. I'd say the 183 in the Stockli is a great choice. Have fun! SE
HI Otis! Certainly a bit more of a front-side mentality in the V.Werks, I found as well. I still think I'd prefer the AX for all-mountain, even though it's a bit narrower. SE
I tend to think that lighter is a bit better for instructing. If you're teaching kids, get twin tips. If you're doing adults, something like the Armada Declivity 88C would be great. I think the AR is overkill for instruction unless you're doing some high-level stuff. I'd get the AR, but I wouldn't bring it with me on work days.
Hey Paul! If you have a Laser AX and it's still in good shape, I'd probably just keep skiing that. If your Laser AX is getting worn out, however, this is certainly a worthy replacement. I suppose it comes down to personal finances too. If you have the means and you just love being on the latest and greatest, go for it, but the Laser AX is still a fantastic ski.
The Look Pivot binding. Comes in 12, 14, 15, and 18 DIN ranges. It's actually quite an old design at this point, but still easily one of the best bindings on the market, at least for certain skiers.
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I demo'd the Montero AX and AR yesterday. I wasn't impressed with the AR. Nothing negative, but it just didn't grab me. The AX, on the other hand, was amazing. Short turns, long turns, fast, slow, hard snow, soft snow...had me grinning from ear-to-ear by the time I got back to the shop and bought a pair.
I had the same experience! Tried the AR and the AX today, and while there's nothing wrong with the AR, I liked the AX much more. Both are great at high speeds, but the AX is also fun when going in chill speeds. It also initiates a turn more easily. Both were fine in the afternoon in slush, heavy conditions. I'll definitely buy an AX - it's absolutely amazing.
Not long back from a week's skiing in Switzerland where I rented 173cm AX (I'm 5'10", 165lbs Advanced (but no expert)). I found them very rewarding skis for fast GS turns on groomed pistes, which is my rhythm, and also good on the soft powder and gnarly in-between piste type of skiing. The only area I struggled a bit was on steeper icier pitches but that speaks more to the skier's technique rather than the equipment I think!!! Highly recommended.
You made my day! I think I have a preference for the AR, please don't wait too long to drop that one on us!
Oh boy is this great !!! It’s golf season but still getting ski reviews
I haven't been authorized to do golf reviews ;)
Just bought mine from your website. Appreciate all the work and information you put into your videos, definitely the best ski reviews on RUclips!
Can’t wait to carve my first turns at
Mt Sutton in a couple of months
Awesome! Have a blast. We can't wait to get on ours as well! Sutton is on my list of places to ski--looks right up my alley, and not too far from where we are, either!
SE
@@SkiEssentials I haven’t skied Stowe in decades but I hope to get down this winter! Sutton definitely has that same type of terrain with lots of glades, not much grooming and challenging runs. Definitely check the snow reports though because the snow making is not our strong suit, after a good dump of snow it’s a magical place. Hope to see you on your Ax’s this winter, have a great season!
bought a pair of these skis from you and took them out on Stowe last week. an incredible ski. meant to be driven hard for the advanced skier. super smooth ride. had a chance to ski periwinkle from top to bottom with no one on the trail. i let the ski's rip and had one of the best runs of my life. Just Awesome! performed great on the ice too. as if i didn't even know there was ice underneath..........when the conditions got a little rough later in the day, this ski just blasted through like a hot knife through butter.
Great to hear!
Made my week! Australian ski season is 3 weeks away and so are my Montero ARs. Been hanging out every day for reviews. Brilliant.
Have a great season! You'll love the AR.
I had the pleasure of demo'ing both the Montero AX and the Laser SX. I've never skied on Stockli skis before. I've been using a pair of Nordica enforcer 94's all season. LOVE the SX's on the groomers. I forced them into the woods and down a steeper mogul run but it was work and not much fun. The AX's were absolutely great on everything. Did the trees with 2 day old powder, railed the groomers, bumped the bumps. Great skis, I'm really hoping they'll sell me the loaners (slightly discounted) One point about your reviews, It'd be awesome if you'd do some mogul runs, even with skis not entirely suited to moguls. Some of us don't have unlimited budgets and try to make skis do what they want instead of buy another ski for that situation. That said, great video, thanks for what you do!
We love moguls! Sometimes our mountain just doesn't have them.
@@SkiEssentials "Roadtrip"! :D
I did buy the demo Montero AX's absolutely love them. This past Saturday, was snowing lightly most of the day and everything was absolutely stellar. Skied the trees, bumps, groomers and the AX's just floated through everything.
I own a pair of 2015 Stockli Laser AX's which I have skied in the New England area for years. If you want better hard snow performance you should have the skis stone ground and tuned to base 1 / edge 2 or 3 degrees. These skis and the AR's are shipped from the factory with a base 1.5 / edge 2 which is fine for Europe or the Western US where you are mostly sking on soft snow. I will be buying a pair of Montero AX's to replace mine. These are skis that you can ski with your family all day or race with your friends as fast as you dare. They ARE that good.
Base 1.5 is absolutely NOT fine for Europe mate :):) Dunno who told you that we-Europeans ski soft snow, but that's really not the case, trust me on that. End of December through almost end February it is either icy and hard or hard and icy, take your pick.
Depends on where you are in Europe of course but this is what I ski.
I see soft snow from Mid March on and even then it is not guaranteed.
That's why I keep my AX at 1/3 for the days I ski them, which get fewer and farther between as I moved to WRT/SR95 combo.
These got me back to skiing. Love them
They are incredible.
Just grabbed these today at and end of year demo sell off. I think I am one of the only people who ever demoed the skis I bought. The Strive 13 bindings were still set for my boots. $774 after tax for an amazing ski. Can't wait to get out on them. Unfortunately, it's March 7, and there is no snow left in Western NY.
Awesome! Love the success stories! It's now March 12th and there's a bunch of snow here in Stowe! Crazy winter.
I bought the Laser SX last year and love them! They definitely cured me of any back seat stuff; you CANNOT ski these in the back seat! My guess is the Monteros will be the same. Bob says, "they'll let you know if you're in the backseat." The way they let you know is by shooting out from under you and knocking you on your ass 😂!! After 3-5x doing that, you no longer ski in the backseat. Here is how I'd describe them after skiing other brands: they are precise with a creamy flexion. The reward for good technique is very pronounced. While they don't necessarily punish bad technique (except backseat stuff), you learn quickly when you're leaving something on the table with how you're skiing them. Backseat? Don't even think about it. I don't think these are good for early intermediates but more advanced intermediates, and those ready to crossover to advanced, can learn a lot from skiing these. You will really "feel it" when you have your act together on these. It's like, "oh, that's how I'm supposed to do it...." These skis inspire high confidence in edge holds; no worries about washing out on turns if you're trying not to.
I’m a advanced to expert skier 176cm and 84kg.
Sporty 44jr and 40 weeks experience
Wich length do u prefere 178 or 173?
Thanx you!
Nice review!
Wanted a demo…the store had the AR in the 180 and the AX in the 183cm. I’m 6’0, 165lb. I absolutely loved the ski. I like aggressive carving and mix up GS w/Slalom type turns. My other two daily skis are an Enforcer 100 (185 - 2020 ski) and Dynastar Speed Course Ti’s in a 171cm. I love the versatility of the Dynastar in that I can hit the groomers, but also Great Scott in the right conditions (pack powder…w/some loose stuff)..and it does great. Looking for a replacement though…a dedicated front mountain ripper w/a primary focus of tearing up the groomed runs. I think 183 was too long…as I my back tired out a bit (I’m 51yrs) and I wondered if the length had something to do w/that…but don’t know. The question is how short do I go on this thing. Do I dare go to the 168…or maybe the 173? Any guidance is appreciated. I’m an expert charger…prefer playful, but like to open it up w/the longer faster turn on occasion…Curious what @skiessentials thinks as well…. thank you!
I'm concerned about the 183. I don't think zooming past the 173 makes sense--that length is probably right in the sweet spot, especially if you're looking for a mix of high performance and easy access.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you! Sounds right…I’m demo’ing the AS tomorrow in the 172 as a comparison. 👍🏼
The Montero AX is a great ski, just spent last week at Purgatory and Telluride with them Skiing all over the mountain, on hardback to fresh over the boot snow. Worked great Skiing slow with my wife who is learning to ski, and also carving up the mountain at speed when I was out exploring on my own. Fantastic clean turns, very smooth, also can be playful through chop using it to back off and power though the turn.
They are just hand-down fantastic skis.
Hi there, I am an high intermediate skier. I am 170 cm high and weight 60 kg. I ski with the Laser SX on piste, but I would like a more all around ski more apt to ski on “wet snow” (spring snow). I am wondering if the Montero AX would be a good choice improving on my SX experience
Thank you
Rino
I think that's the natural progression, allowing for a wider platform and a slightly more stable feel overall.
Hi Jeff and Bob - I liked the Stokli Montero AX review you did. Talk to me more about why I may want the Look Pivot binding you two favor versus the Color match solomon binding they recommend. Also, I'm a 5'5" male at 170lbs, 57 yrs old and I ski pretty hard still... I ride a Blizzard Rustler at 172cm (102 under foot) out west as my all mountain ski. Skied Big Sky last year...
However, I will be out east more than west this year (especially early in the season), and know the crud we need to deal with having grown up in CT. So, I'm struggling between the 168cm and 173cm Montero AX, because I want it fast, more than I want to pop around in hard, icy moguls. I'm also leaning toward the 173cm length, given the playfulness of the AX vs. the Montero AR and I'm thinking I can muscle the additional 5cm (173 vs. 168) more on the AX than if I had chosen the AR... What are your thoughts?
The Pivot is great because it allows for a more natural flex of the ski due to a shorter mounting point. The color match binding sits on a demo track, which is fine, and looks incredible, but also creates a firm spot underfoot. Some skiers may prefer this, especially on a more front-side ski like the AX, but I like the lower, shorter Pivot just from a snow feel perspective. Be sure to get the 75 mm brake as the 95 is too wide for this ski if you go the Pivot route. As for length, the 168 seems like it fits your stats and application better, but if you know you prefer longer skis, I'm not going to talk you out of it.
You guys did a good job of explaining how the Torsion Control slit is physically different from the turtle shell interlocking slit. Could you comment a bit on the difference in feel between the two?
Sure! First I'll say I think it feels more similar than different. Both allow for more articulation, which is noticeable on turn initiation. I do, however, think skis with Turtle Shell have that feel where the harder you push them, the stronger they feel. Monteros don't necessarily feel that way. They're plenty strong, in my opinion, but the Turtle Shell almost gives a ski a split personality depending on how you're skiing it, while the Montero feels more consistent. There are benefits to both.
I love my Stokli skis. If I get a chance to get on those I am going to take it.
Definitely get on them if you can!!
Hi guys, thanks for the awesome reviews! Between these and Thunderbird WB, which do you think behaves better in irregular snow on the groomers? Chopped afternoon stuff, some bumps, scrapped ice, occasional 10 cm of fresh snow which gets moved around.
There's a bit more compliance and mobility with the AX in softer and irregular snow. The Thunderbird is slightly happier on smooth and firm surfaces while the Stockli can be manipulated easier to accommodate variable conditions.
You guys do the best reviews on the internet! I have the laser ax. I just purchased the SC and would love to hear your opinion on the differences .
Thanks!
You'll notice a quicker edge to edge mobility in the SC and a preference for a shorter turn. I love the SC because it's still got a somewhat flexible shovel so it's not so hooky at the initiation phase.
Thanks! Meant to ask a question regarding your on trail reviews. Do you adjust the factory tune to your preference? I find a 1.4 base a little odd. Any thoughts on that?
Hi, awesome review - as always! How do the AX/AR compare to Volkl Deacon 80/84?
The Montero skis are smoother. More vibration damping and a very supple feel. Huge sweet spot. Deacons feel more reactive. They aren't as quiet or as smooth. In a lot of ways, the skis accomplish the same thing, they just feel different. Not much can match how smooth these Monteros are.
@@SkiEssentials thank you very much for pointing this out! I will buy the Montero AX then :) And hope that this is a good choice!
Great review, so in-depth. Almost can feel myself skiing it! Just a question on mounting? These have been around for two years now, has there been any discussion on mounting these forward of the mark and how far? I have a pair of IDone mogul skis 183cms and the mounting point is 100mm further forward than the 183cm AX! (plus I mount 20mm forward on my mogul skis.) I was thinking of mounting my AX's at least 25mm maybe even 30mm forward with a pivot of course. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Continue the great work on the reviews.
Stockli has made the move in their Stormrider series to push the mount point forward 1cm. I feel it is justified in these skis as well, especially if you're used to a more forward point. I do think that +2.5/3 is a bit aggressive, but this is a path you must walk yourself.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you, I'll do some more research. Just one correction, it's not 100mm forward on my mogul ski. It's only 40mm forward of the stockli AX mark. Not sure how I got 100mm!!!??
Thanks again.
That wall of Stockli makes my heart sing man, not gonna lie :)
Please WRT Pro next, I am soooooo buying these…Please take 'em to the steepest, iciest slope around and give 'em some solid thrashing. :)
We skied the WRT Pro quite a bit and had it in our ski test too. We'll certainly get to it at some point!
So, I want to make sure I got this straight. Last year I demoed the Laser AX; it was magical. (The only reason I didn't buy it was that a couple other skis on my shortlist were unavailable due to supply chain/inventory issues.) You're saying I didn't blow it; I can still get more-or-less the same thing in the Montero? I have Nordica Enforcer 100s for the "powder" end of the all- mountain spectrum, so I'm covered there. I want carvers or all-mountain skis that borderline carvers (i.e., 75mm to 80mm-ish under foot). Is the Montero AX for me? What about something else in the 75mm range? I want something I can ski all day, but also carve like a maniac.
If you like the high end feel, give Kastle DX85 a chance.. Definitely an underrated ski. Premium feel, slightly less expensive than the mx series.
Hey Steve! No, you absolutely didn't blow it. The Montero AX would be a fantastic ski to complement your Enforcer 100s. Don't feel like you need to go narrower, 80 still carves extremely well and functions a little better as an all-mountain ski. There are certainly options in the 75 mm range too, but everything in that width range is going to feel less capable as an all-mountain ski. Hope that helps.
I have ridden Nordicas enforcers and I got my dads stockli stormrider 95 and I thought to myself there really is a difference the lack of chatter the smoothness in turns and mixed snow the quality is unmatched from the “big box” companys
The Stockli quality is off the charts, that's for sure.
I just picked up some Monterro AX (183) skis, and was surprised to see how much more "rearward" the mounting of the bindings are compared to my older Elan Ripstick 88's. This is my first pair of Stockli's. Does this sound correct to you folks?
It does seem back, but when I put my Montero AR up next to my Head Kore 93, the mount point is the same. I think the long effective edge factors in to the visual component. Since Stockli did move the mount point forward 1cm on their Stormrider series of skis this past year, it's not unreasonable to assume you can do the same on these Monteros.
I've read a few times while reading about them that moving the pointing point 1 or 1.5 cm forward might be for the best for most.
thanks for the video guys. Love them! Dumb question, but I get confused by the naming conventions... Can you remind me the difference b/w the AR and AX?
AR is wider by 4 mm in the Montero line. Basically you're choosing between a quicker edge to edge feel in the AX or more soft snow capabilities and a more all-mountain focused performance in the AR.
@@SkiEssentials I tested both the Montero AX and AR this spring and found the AR more stable and the AX more playful and unstable. Since I really like quite fast carving I went for AR. They suite me better being en ex-racer.
I need the AR review like I need air. Pls guys
We'll get to it sometime this month! Fingers crossed you don't suffocate before then ;)
As an 80mm, I am impressed with how they perform in moguls compared to a pure narrow mogul ski ( I also ride an ID1 and Rossignol Hero mogul ski), and they just carv perfectly once you get out of mogul field. This is a smooth, precise but most importantly FUN ski to ride.
True indeed, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for great reviews. You talked about binding options for AR/AX and I think you mentioned LOOK Pivot? Which bindings would you recomend to AX/AR?
Also, rumors says that the next seasons AR/AX will be adopted to backcountry (Drifting further away from laser). Have you heard something?
As I already have a pair of WRT SL and Edge FT, I need a ski with that GS feel more moe than backcountry, so I think I will buy the 23/24 verson.)
The Pivot works great on the AX with the 75 mm brake. I find the 95 to be on the wide side for the AR--I have a Salomon STH 16 on my AR and it works great. For next year, we're seeing a slightly different tip technology in the Montero AX and AR, with another Torsion Grip slit cut in the metal. This will increase the slow speed capacity of the ski but the technology exists so that the ski locks in place at higher speeds. We found no downside to this new tech, and a boost in how easy they turn when going slower.
Thanks. I have seen a blue pivot 15 for next year that looks great :)
The guy who works at the store where I got the Deacon 84 said, if you love that ski (Deacon 84) you'll want to Demo a pair of Stocklis.
How do these two brands compare? I skied the RTM UVO 84 which is what got me to buy the Deacon 84... because I liked the precision of the Volkls.
The Montero AR at 84 mm underfoot is more of a direct comparison to the Deacon 84, and in that sense, the Montero is stronger, smoother, and more stable than the Deacon. Montero feels like a race ski, and is so incredibly quiet, but it's not quite as versatile as the Deacon. You're getting a very premium product with either AR or AX, just a bit of a width difference depending on preference and application.
@@SkiEssentials What do you mean by versatility? The Deacons already feel like they're carving only as compared to my previous skis. They don't smear as well etc. So the Monteros are even more focused in that regard? Or do you mean snow conditions?
The Laser AX is the greatest ski I've ever skied. I'm a bit concerned that perhaps Stockli has "tamed" it down to the Montero AX, but I'll reserve judgment until I get to demo them. Thanks for this review. I'm a little less nervous, but that one comment "Montero now bridges the gap between Laser and Stormrider" is a succinct summary of my concerns.
If you love Laser, Montero is going to be right there with it. No fears needed.
Love my Laser AX skis. Incredible.
What are some less expensive alternatives to this kind of ski? I’m looking for a great carver but has some all mtn capabilities. I’m 6’4, 190lbs advanced skier
I'd check out the Volkl Deacon 80, Rossignol Experience 82Ti, and the Armada Declivity 82Ti. All of these skis have the carving prowess but also some off-trail acumen as well.
wow sounds like a perfect ski for me.
Thanks for the videos. Jeff, I see you liking the AX over AR and the Pivot binding, but I guess missed why AR with Pivot is your preference. Could you elaborate? Thank you!
The Pivot on the AR is in a bit of a grey zone with the brake widths. The 75 mm brake works on the 80 mm AX, but will not stretch to the AR. Conversely, the 95 brake is a bit too wide for my liking on the 84 mm AR. The Salomon STH 16 with the 90 mm brake fits really, really well on the AR for me.
Thanks for the awesome product review S.E. Can u compare the montero ax or the ar directly to the Kastle MX 83. Any info would be great such as stiffness, edge hold, crud or funky snow. Thanks in advance***
Hi Pauly! I think both the Monteros feel a little softer than the MX 83, especially the AR. Or maybe more supple would be a better way to describe it than softer. Smoother? There's just something about them that feels very easy and smooth, without sacrificing performance. MX 83s don't feel quite as easy to ski to me. I do think it's fair, however, to say the MX is more precise, and arguably with more torsional stiffness, but I'm not sure everyone would notice that difference. Hope that helps!
Which Kastle ski would be the better comparison, the MX series, or the DX?
I Recently purchased a pair of Kastle DX85s, Because I was seeking something similar to the MX, but a bit more playful. This review is giving me buyers remorse! Sounds like the Montero is similar???(but probably better )
I would say the closest comparison is the MX83. Realistically, I think the Montero AX is basically in between the DX and MX, but that's kind of over-simplifying things. The DX85 and the Montero AR would be a closer comparison, I suppose, but I still think the MX is closer. DX feels more like a true all-mountain ski to me, while the Monteros and MX feel like they at least lean a little more towards frontside-focused performance.
Awesome review. Can’t wait to learn more about upcoming new offering from Stocklï. I was considering the gs but I want to know about that silver ski on your wall …
The silver ski in 180 cm is what you want :):) They beat the consumer GS hands down.
They're both a ton of fun. If I were choosing a ski to race on, I would go with the GS, but if I was just buying a ski for carving and wasn't going to race on it, I would go WRT Pro. The WRT has a shorter radius, which I think would feel a bit twitchy in a GS course, but if you're just out to make rewarding carves, the WRT is so much fun.
I have some Head SuperShape iRally’s and I enjoy them. They’re 76mm underfoot, would these be a natural progression from a pure frontside carver to a more all mountain? Granted I take the SS all over the mountain unless it’s a huge powder day. Even on tracked pow, the Heads have a good enough shovel to not get buried in a few inches of powder. But these Stockli’s look sick and might be good enough as a one ski quiver.
Hi,
I have the stockli laser SC and also the volkl deacon 80. I'm thinking of changing the deacon 80 for the stockli montero AX. Does it justify the change? Is there much difference between the SC lasers and the Montero AX?
thanks
Hi Filipe!
The construction makes them feel roughly the same, but the AX with the extra width and longer arc has more of a GS style to it. I don't think it's silly to look one wider to the Montero AR if you're looking to differentiate a bit more. Have fun!
SE
Was told by an ex ski racer the new ski skis nothing like the old ax...he has skied on both..said the difference is very evident...i skied the old ax for about 10 days at the end of the season this yr and it is hands down best ski I have ever used...incredible everywhere...truly a 1 quiver ski...as for the storm rider.. has horrible shovel initiation feel but i didnt get to put much time on to figure out..will have to ski on the new ax before I purchase a pair I guess...
Hey Nick! There's a difference between them, but in our experience and opinion, it's a pretty small difference. I'm surprised to hear he thinks they ski "nothing" like the old AX. I think even Stockli would be surprised to hear that feedback.
The SRs are very sensitive to the tuning. Get it right and they are the sweetest ski ever. Get it wrong and they are a nightmare.
Hey! Thanks a lot for all your reviews, love your work.
How would you compare the montero ax to the kästle mx 75?
It's like a slightly softer flexing ski that falls right in between the MX75 and MX83 in width. Definitely some similarities between them. I'd say the MX skis feel more precise (also more demanding), while Monteros feel smoother and more user-friendly without sacrificing too much power or precision.
Alright! I’m sold, but have a question or two that I hope you can assist.
I am a 59 year old skier who has been at it since I was 10. I’m now 59 years old 220 lbs with grumpy knees, with back probs.
I do enjoy my Ripsticks 96, 180cm, in the Pacific NW off piste, but on piste on colder days on piste I can only slarve.
Given my weight and ability, (59 yrs old, 220 lbs, former expert now advanced). What length would you advise I purchase? Thank you in advance!
I think the 178 is the way to go in these skis. Have fun!
No sleep until the Faction Mana review 🤙
You'll definitely see it in our Ski Test results later this summer and we'll do our best to put together a longer review too. If we don't get to it this spring/summer/fall, we are planning more Faction content next winter.
Wall of Stockli, presidential talk, equals sponsorship? Good review! I’ll stick with my M5’s for now.
HI Guys, I am an advanced to expert Female skier 167 cm, 75 Kgs, 45 yrs old. I ski mostly in New Zealand with the odd trip overseas - Japan - Canada. I have the Stockli Laser SL for Masters Racing, and have the 2017 Laser AX 167cm for all mountain, WHICH I LOVE!!! As well as a New Zealand Ski the C6 Carbon Apollo for touring/backcountry/side country. If I am replacing the Laser AX, should I get the Montero AX or AR, and what length please? Thank you
Hi Jennifer! You'll get closer performance to your current Laser AX with the new Montero AX. I think I would probably stay there, with the AX. For length, I would probably go 168. Hope that helps!
@@SkiEssentials Thank you for your fab reviews and advice! My brand new Montero AX 168s are being mounted w Look Pivot bindings as we speak, can't wait to get out there...
Good day, how do these compare to the Volkl Deacon 84. Seems to me shape is similar and construction having wood and metal.
Definitely some similarities, although they feel different to me. The Montero feels more supple. It's smoother and just rolls into a carving turn so easily and so nicely. On the other hand, I think it's fair to say the Deacon is more responsive and more reactive. Stiffer flex pattern, or at least it feels that way when you ski it. Not as smooth, more energetic and reactive. Hope that helps!
Are these stiffer than the AR?
Flex pattern is about the same between them. I think it's fair to say the Montero feels more precise, but that's coming more from the difference in width than anything else.
Silver or white pivot would do okay or a black pivot 14
Yeah black Pivot 14 is a good option... and I have a pair kicking around too! Of course, then the skis they come off would need a replacement... ;)
How does this compare this compare to a K2 Disruptor Ti2?
The Montero is a softer flexing ski, less demanding, more versatile, but without the same power as the Disruption Ti2. That's my (Jeff) normal race ski, and there's really quite a big difference between the two. The Disruption Ti2 feels more like the Laser GS. It leans much closer to being a true race ski.
I'm 5'11 160, advanced wanna be expert. Athletic 44 y/o. What length should i get?
Hello! I would go 178 cm if I were you. That's the length I (Jeff) prefer.
Would you recommend these even if I need to remount thr bindings and not be center mounted?
We've found the recommended mount point on these skis works great. There's a lot of metal, so it's just fine to remount these skis.
Bob & Jeff with the goods.
Can you please compare this to 2023 Rossignol Experience 82 Ti.. I am 6'2 210lbs what size should I get I am Intermediate/Advanced. Can you let me know what to do get 2023 Rossignol Experience 82 Ti or ski? What size is better for my hight. Thanks
HI Allan!
The Experience does everything that the Montero does, it's just not quite as refined or quiet. Both are fantastic front side skis that have a wider-bodied format for all-mountain versatility, but still mainly focus on the carving side of the sport. The Montero has a wider range--better at both high and low speeds while the Experience is a bit happier in the middle. The quality of the Stockli is off the charts, and it's a noticeable difference in terms of performance. I'd say the 183 in the Stockli is a great choice. Have fun!
SE
I skied that in Austria, I thought the 84 mm deacon v werks was more powerful & smoother
HI Otis!
Certainly a bit more of a front-side mentality in the V.Werks, I found as well. I still think I'd prefer the AX for all-mountain, even though it's a bit narrower.
SE
@@SkiEssentials can’t argue with that. Both very solid skis.
❤👍
Living Hakuba Japan... ski instructing... AR vs AX?
I tend to think that lighter is a bit better for instructing. If you're teaching kids, get twin tips. If you're doing adults, something like the Armada Declivity 88C would be great. I think the AR is overkill for instruction unless you're doing some high-level stuff. I'd get the AR, but I wouldn't bring it with me on work days.
@@SkiEssentials thanks for replying! I'll look into those armada's
What is a pivot binding?
www.skiessentials.com/2023-look-pivot-15-gw-ski-bindings.html
So...would you spend the $$ to upgrade from last/laser version?
Hey Paul! If you have a Laser AX and it's still in good shape, I'd probably just keep skiing that. If your Laser AX is getting worn out, however, this is certainly a worthy replacement. I suppose it comes down to personal finances too. If you have the means and you just love being on the latest and greatest, go for it, but the Laser AX is still a fantastic ski.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you all! Picked up a pair of 19 AX's last season for a steal. I think they have a little more left in them
What are in the world is a “ pivot “
The Look Pivot binding. Comes in 12, 14, 15, and 18 DIN ranges. It's actually quite an old design at this point, but still easily one of the best bindings on the market, at least for certain skiers.
@@SkiEssentials ohhh I see!! Thanx.
Really sad they replaced the old AX design.
We have not noticed a wholesale difference between Laser and Montero, and love the Montero!