Whoa... a lot of information on my way into the rabbit hole selecting a new mail provider plus using aliases or similar feature. Thanks for your effort!
I recently got really into email aliasing. Proton’s password manager integrates simple login, so it’s really easy to generate new aliases for every website.
Me too, but also have the duckduckgo service for email lists where Proton aliases get rejected. The ability to strip trackers is useful on email subscriptions.
If you've already signed up to a bunch of services using an email, would you then have to delete those accounts and make new ones using a new "master email" with aliases for every service? Or how should I go about it?
Depends on your threat model. In a perfect world, it's the only safe guarantee. We've seen data breaches before where it turned out the company has kept the original email you signed up with. In practice, I'm not sure how common this is. What is very common is your current email address being swiped, so unless you have an extreme threat model, I would say that simply changing your email address in your current account is plenty. Again though, it's up to you and your risks.
Great video! Subscribed! I'm torn between using AnonAddy and SimpleLogin, I think after watching this video I may try both and see which works best for me, but ultimately I will likely just stick with the free tier with one of those two.. Given your experience in testing and trying both, which would you say offers more with their free tiers today between SimpleLogin and AnonAddy? From their pricing pages, it looks like AnonAddy offers unlimited standard aliases, whereas SimpleLogin's free is just 10 aliases but allows unlimited reply/sends from the aliases. Do you happen to know if you can Reply/Send using the AnonAddy's free option? Curious about your thoughts and recommendation. Thanks!
@@TheNewOil thank you for the reply! ah, the 10MB/Month limit for free tier? Gotcha. I’m also considering just purchasing a $12/year domain to use for email alias forwarding. I realize this is more manual upkeep, but as a tradeoff I suppose it’s always something I can control.
@@TheNewOilicann, the govern body for the root zone will have a copy or registrant details in an escrow somewhere. The respective registry for the tld would also have a copy of that. In case a registrar goes under, they both will contact the registrant via the registered email on file to facilitate and to notify about auto transferring the domain to another appointed registrar. It won't be lost. Happens a few times already ie with net4india. So the chance of losing a domain in the case of registrar goes bankrupt or whatever is close to zero.
You can take your domain name to another registrar, so if yours is either increasing prices, implementing terrible policies, or going under, you can take your domain to another registrar. So that step is pretty safe too. With masks pointed at a custom domain, and a custom domain pointed at an e-mail provider... and an e-mail provider pointed at your email software of choice, every step can be replaceable.
Is there any advantage to replacing my e-mail on Facebook, Twitter, RUclips etc. with an alias e-mail?....I would assume that my accounts are already liked and that those companies won't fully delete any connection to my old/true e-mail address.
It's worth a shot. If you don't change it, they definitely won't delete the old stuff, and if you do there's a chance they will and it may also protect you against data breaches and such.
is ok to use icloud+? im new in the privacy world. currently im moving out from google. i already have a proton adress witch i use for my bitwarden, dashlane and crypto things. a tutanota account that i use mostly for general stuffs. . I have a duck adress . a anonaddy account . a simplelogin free but with a random xyz domain and catch all . icloud+ all this services forwards to my duck adress witch forward to my tutanota. However, the icloud hide my mail sometimes seems to be the easiest to use and manage and i can create infinitely without paying more. is ok to use icloud hide my mail? i already create a ton of adress and saved in a note on my bitwarden and standard notes (also to anonaddy and duck). or should i use anonaddy/simplelogin instead? I still don't change all my logins yet.
It's a question of trust. You're trusting Apple with the content of your email. Personally, I don't trust Apple, but if you do then use it. I will say, forwarding everything to a DDG address is probably overkill and it's probably involving more people in the mix than necessary. If you can't trust them to forward straight to your inbox, then you probably shouldn't be using them in the first place. Personally I think you're overcomplicating it by having so many forwarding services that forward to other services, but I guess one could also make the argument for having redundancies in place.
How do you manage multiple emails from different providers (not burner emails)? Like if I have some gmails, a protonmail, and a tutanota email, is there any service that let me look at inboxes of all these different emails at once?
Not to my knowledge, though Thunderbird will get most of the ones you listed. I prefer to simply have one account and funnel everything into that via alias providers like the video discusses. I do have some other accounts that I check periodically just to make sure I'm not missing anything.
On iPhone you can login to multiple accounts from different hosts. I currently am logged into 8 accounts, a mix of gmail, outlook, and custom domain. I can view all my inboxes at once a single inbox. I don’t know about viewing the aliases though as I haven’t used them yet
Are aliases worth it if your email provider has very strong spam filtering and good blocking features? E: never mind, just got to the security part in the video.
Hey there. I want to switch from gmail to a secure email with custom domains and email aliases. Should I go with protonmail $10 business plan or anonaddy? Or would you recommend a mix? Im okay with spending around $10-$15 a month on a secure email provider.
There's more to this question, like if anyone you know will be using Proton as well, but broadly speaking I'd say the AnonAddy plan is probably more bang for your buck.
Personally, I really like Protonmail along with the additional services it provides (cloud storage, VPN, calender, etc), and it comes with SimpleLogin nowadays so it's killing two birds with one stone.
This is the only good video I've watched tonight. Thank you. Sadly I would have liked you show how complicated it is to send an email from an aliases. Fastmail seems like the easiest one so far and it works in 1password which I have. Might not be the best for privacy at first but apparently you can setup PGP.
Following your way of organizing aliases, you would need two domains. I guess if using proton mail that means I would need the unlimited subscription? And are both of your custom domains tied to your email or is one to the email and the other to the alias service?
you said something about a podcast, i quickly looked in the description box (skimmed at best) didnt see any link to the podcast.. I wanted to atleast check it out and see if its "for me".
I create 100 duck mail with and i just want to know these mail are permanent or it will expire after sometime I want to create permanent email adress without phone number Can u help me?
Half of the login argument is stretched here. Even with aliasing, knowing the aliased email is half of the login - so it doesn't matter if you use an aliased email or not
Fair, but my point was that it prevents credential stuffing because you're not reusing the same email address on every site. It won't protect a compromised credential, but it can limit and contain the damage.
I answered this is another comment. "It's a question of trust. You're trusting Apple with the content of your email. Personally, I don't trust Apple, but if you do then use it."
@@TheNewOil thank you for responding. what if my nameserver is Cloudflare? Is cloudflare able to see the content of the email? I just own a domain without email and webhosting. I just registered a domain, changed nameserver to cloudflare and added mx entries to cloudflare as well. Can I use SimpleLogin with my settings?
You cannot use the same domain across multiple services, so you can either use it Cloudlfare or SimpleLogin. As for if Cloudflare can see the content, I don't believe so but that would depend on how it's set up. I don't use Cloudflare for email and never have, so I'm not certain what the setup entails.
I don't respect unsubscribes, I work in a regulated industry with heavy legal requirements for advertising for consumer protection, very annoying. So I hired a super sketchy advertising company from Indonesia which does lead generation & they legit ignore every law on the book for me. Then I pay on a per lead basis. So I'm not instructing them to do any marketing or how to generate leads (aside from our first few calls with no text records). Its so much more effective than following the laws. Their stupid laws anyways, it's in finance so there is a lot of compliance stuff which really reduces the effectiveness of advertising. So now I do very little advertising myself, they do text & email marketing, I believe they also do war marketing by just mass texting numbers. I have a very good business, client doccuments are very well protected & I dont use any big-tech services for my employees. But laws are dumb & business is competitive, you gotta take any advantage you can get.
Now Bitwarden has integrated with all those providers
Whoa... a lot of information on my way into the rabbit hole selecting a new mail provider plus using aliases or similar feature. Thanks for your effort!
I recently got really into email aliasing. Proton’s password manager integrates simple login, so it’s really easy to generate new aliases for every website.
Me too, but also have the duckduckgo service for email lists where Proton aliases get rejected. The ability to strip trackers is useful on email subscriptions.
If you've already signed up to a bunch of services using an email, would you then have to delete those accounts and make new ones using a new "master email" with aliases for every service? Or how should I go about it?
Depends on your threat model. In a perfect world, it's the only safe guarantee. We've seen data breaches before where it turned out the company has kept the original email you signed up with. In practice, I'm not sure how common this is. What is very common is your current email address being swiped, so unless you have an extreme threat model, I would say that simply changing your email address in your current account is plenty. Again though, it's up to you and your risks.
Great video! Subscribed! I'm torn between using AnonAddy and SimpleLogin, I think after watching this video I may try both and see which works best for me, but ultimately I will likely just stick with the free tier with one of those two.. Given your experience in testing and trying both, which would you say offers more with their free tiers today between SimpleLogin and AnonAddy?
From their pricing pages, it looks like AnonAddy offers unlimited standard aliases, whereas SimpleLogin's free is just 10 aliases but allows unlimited reply/sends from the aliases. Do you happen to know if you can Reply/Send using the AnonAddy's free option?
Curious about your thoughts and recommendation. Thanks!
You can reply/send with AnonAddy's free tier, yes. If bandwidth is not a concern then AnonAddy probably has the better free tier.
@@TheNewOil thank you for the reply! ah, the 10MB/Month limit for free tier? Gotcha. I’m also considering just purchasing a $12/year domain to use for email alias forwarding. I realize this is more manual upkeep, but as a tradeoff I suppose it’s always something I can control.
If your domain registrar goes out of business you're still safe. there are mechanisms in place that kick in if that should happen.
Interesting. Was not aware of that. Like what?
@@TheNewOilicann, the govern body for the root zone will have a copy or registrant details in an escrow somewhere. The respective registry for the tld would also have a copy of that. In case a registrar goes under, they both will contact the registrant via the registered email on file to facilitate and to notify about auto transferring the domain to another appointed registrar. It won't be lost. Happens a few times already ie with net4india. So the chance of losing a domain in the case of registrar goes bankrupt or whatever is close to zero.
You can take your domain name to another registrar, so if yours is either increasing prices, implementing terrible policies, or going under, you can take your domain to another registrar. So that step is pretty safe too. With masks pointed at a custom domain, and a custom domain pointed at an e-mail provider... and an e-mail provider pointed at your email software of choice, every step can be replaceable.
To what extent, can one customize the domain name in aliased email addresses?
Is there any advantage to replacing my e-mail on Facebook, Twitter, RUclips etc. with an alias e-mail?....I would assume that my accounts are already liked and that those companies won't fully delete any connection to my old/true e-mail address.
It's worth a shot. If you don't change it, they definitely won't delete the old stuff, and if you do there's a chance they will and it may also protect you against data breaches and such.
is ok to use icloud+?
im new in the privacy world. currently im moving out from google. i already have a proton adress witch i use for my bitwarden, dashlane and crypto things. a tutanota account that i use mostly for general stuffs.
. I have a duck adress
. a anonaddy account
. a simplelogin free but with a random xyz domain and catch all
. icloud+
all this services forwards to my duck adress witch forward to my tutanota.
However, the icloud hide my mail sometimes seems to be the easiest to use and manage and i can create infinitely without paying more.
is ok to use icloud hide my mail? i already create a ton of adress and saved in a note on my bitwarden and standard notes (also to anonaddy and duck). or should i use anonaddy/simplelogin instead? I still don't change all my logins yet.
It's a question of trust. You're trusting Apple with the content of your email. Personally, I don't trust Apple, but if you do then use it.
I will say, forwarding everything to a DDG address is probably overkill and it's probably involving more people in the mix than necessary. If you can't trust them to forward straight to your inbox, then you probably shouldn't be using them in the first place. Personally I think you're overcomplicating it by having so many forwarding services that forward to other services, but I guess one could also make the argument for having redundancies in place.
How do you manage multiple emails from different providers (not burner emails)? Like if I have some gmails, a protonmail, and a tutanota email, is there any service that let me look at inboxes of all these different emails at once?
Not to my knowledge, though Thunderbird will get most of the ones you listed. I prefer to simply have one account and funnel everything into that via alias providers like the video discusses. I do have some other accounts that I check periodically just to make sure I'm not missing anything.
On iPhone you can login to multiple accounts from different hosts. I currently am logged into 8 accounts, a mix of gmail, outlook, and custom domain. I can view all my inboxes at once a single inbox.
I don’t know about viewing the aliases though as I haven’t used them yet
Are aliases worth it if your email provider has very strong spam filtering and good blocking features?
E: never mind, just got to the security part in the video.
Hey there. I want to switch from gmail to a secure email with custom domains and email aliases. Should I go with protonmail $10 business plan or anonaddy? Or would you recommend a mix? Im okay with spending around $10-$15 a month on a secure email provider.
There's more to this question, like if anyone you know will be using Proton as well, but broadly speaking I'd say the AnonAddy plan is probably more bang for your buck.
Personally, I really like Protonmail along with the additional services it provides (cloud storage, VPN, calender, etc), and it comes with SimpleLogin nowadays so it's killing two birds with one stone.
What do you think about using aliasing services vs catch-alls? To me they seem to achieve the same thing?
Catch all's with your own domain?
read my main comment, you will find an answer :P
Catch-all causes a risk of serial spam to random addresses in the domain
This is the only good video I've watched tonight. Thank you. Sadly I would have liked you show how complicated it is to send an email from an aliases. Fastmail seems like the easiest one so far and it works in 1password which I have. Might not be the best for privacy at first but apparently you can setup PGP.
With Duckduckgo you just need to reply from DDG Alias.
By quick googling it turns out that Fastmail requires your phone number to create an account. So screw them.
This is the clearest explanation I've seen.
Following your way of organizing aliases, you would need two domains. I guess if using proton mail that means I would need the unlimited subscription? And are both of your custom domains tied to your email or is one to the email and the other to the alias service?
I do use two aliases, but you could probably easily get away with one. There's really lots of ways to do this, that's just one way I do it.
you said something about a podcast, i quickly looked in the description box (skimmed at best) didnt see any link to the podcast.. I wanted to atleast check it out and see if its "for me".
Sorry about that! surveillancereport.tech/
I create 100 duck mail with and i just want to know these mail are permanent or it will expire after sometime
I want to create permanent email adress without phone number
Can u help me?
I would check with DuckDuckGo's documentation or contact their support to ask about that. To my knowledge, the aliases should last indefinitely.
Half of the login argument is stretched here. Even with aliasing, knowing the aliased email is half of the login - so it doesn't matter if you use an aliased email or not
Fair, but my point was that it prevents credential stuffing because you're not reusing the same email address on every site. It won't protect a compromised credential, but it can limit and contain the damage.
FireFox is very buggy at this time. A Mail needs one hour to transfer :(
what you think about icloud email aliases?
I answered this is another comment.
"It's a question of trust. You're trusting Apple with the content of your email. Personally, I don't trust Apple, but if you do then use it."
@@TheNewOil thank you for responding. what if my nameserver is Cloudflare? Is cloudflare able to see the content of the email? I just own a domain without email and webhosting. I just registered a domain, changed nameserver to cloudflare and added mx entries to cloudflare as well.
Can I use SimpleLogin with my settings?
You cannot use the same domain across multiple services, so you can either use it Cloudlfare or SimpleLogin.
As for if Cloudflare can see the content, I don't believe so but that would depend on how it's set up. I don't use Cloudflare for email and never have, so I'm not certain what the setup entails.
@@TheNewOil thank you very much for taking time to respond :)
Very good explanation
Ty u r awesome
Great review!
13:05 yes one can reply
BUT HOW DO YOU MAKE THE ALIAS
?????????? All this surrounding why and wherefore and NO practical info to make it work!!!
how can these companies afford to give FREE plans? im scared they will sell my data
Most of them rely on a "freemium" model, that is you get the basics for free but have to pay for additional features.
Firefox relay just sucks
I don't respect unsubscribes, I work in a regulated industry with heavy legal requirements for advertising for consumer protection, very annoying.
So I hired a super sketchy advertising company from Indonesia which does lead generation & they legit ignore every law on the book for me. Then I pay on a per lead basis.
So I'm not instructing them to do any marketing or how to generate leads (aside from our first few calls with no text records). Its so much more effective than following the laws.
Their stupid laws anyways, it's in finance so there is a lot of compliance stuff which really reduces the effectiveness of advertising. So now I do very little advertising myself, they do text & email marketing, I believe they also do war marketing by just mass texting numbers. I have a very good business, client doccuments are very well protected & I dont use any big-tech services for my employees.
But laws are dumb & business is competitive, you gotta take any advantage you can get.