OSS "Stinger" Covert Cigarette Guns

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    During World War Two, the OSS (Office of Strategic Services) was the primary US clandestine operations organization. It was responsible for making all sorts of unique weapons, including these "Stinger" cigarette guns. They were single shot disposable .22 Short pistols.
    The first pattern was contracted and manufactured entirely by the OSS, and 25,000 of them were manufactured early in the war. They proved to have a myriad of minor to moderate problems, though, including failures to fire and burst barrels. A second version was produced by the Ordnance Department in 1944, with a strengthened and improved design, and 25,500 of those were made.
    I have not found any documentation of these being actually used, but then again not much documentation exists on the use of any OSS weapons. These sorts of things were often provided to infiltration agents who might never be heard from again, or dropped to partisan or resistance groups who weren't exactly writing field reports on their gear.
    Many thanks to the collector who provided me access to these!
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    Tucson, AZ 85704

Комментарии • 564

  • @wilsoncalhoun
    @wilsoncalhoun 6 лет назад +700

    "OSS catalog"
    Now that would be one hell of a bathroom read.

    • @saskoilersfan
      @saskoilersfan 4 года назад +9

      I would buy the gun/camera

    • @JG54206
      @JG54206 2 года назад +1

      Can you imagine…..

    • @uriamudeltoro5075
      @uriamudeltoro5075 2 года назад

      They apparently concealed items in Woolworth's and Sears catalogs to circumvent discovery by the Germans

  • @MhDaMaster
    @MhDaMaster 6 лет назад +783

    The gun that makes you wonder if you should actually just bring a knife to the gun fight.

    • @seanseoltoir
      @seanseoltoir 5 лет назад +50

      A (somewhat) longer range single use ice pick.

    • @seanseoltoir
      @seanseoltoir 5 лет назад +18

      @Ezra -- I suspect that a clandestine ice pick / spike could be more easily created. Since a knife is a common tool that is carried by many men, being found with one would not be looked upon as suspiciously as if you were found with this sort of single shot disguised firearm. I suspect that it is so that you would have a bit more range than you could achieve with a knife and that it could be used more covertly. To stab someone, you will most likely need to be the closest person to that person and it's going to be a bit more obvious than if you just shot them with this device from a bit further back. There are probably a few types of situations where it would be applicable and a knife / spike would not. Of course, this was back before x-ray machines scanning everything that comes into "secure areas". These days, it would not be practical.

    • @vocalpatriot
      @vocalpatriot 5 лет назад +17

      Always bring a knife to a gun fight...along with a gun. (you never know...)

    • @vocalpatriot
      @vocalpatriot 5 лет назад +2

      @Ezra Make sense, please.

    • @vocalpatriot
      @vocalpatriot 5 лет назад +1

      @Ezra AhH..a game...talk about lame. get a real life.

  • @StewyAdamRules
    @StewyAdamRules 3 года назад +43

    I love how creative all this crazy OSS stuff is. A cigarette gun is right out of an old James Bond movie.

    • @hunter35474
      @hunter35474 Год назад +4

      If memory serves, Bond had a literal cigarette gun in You Only Live Twice.

    • @user-nz7cz2qz5v
      @user-nz7cz2qz5v Год назад +3

      James Bond was based on OSS stuff

    • @perryplayzzz
      @perryplayzzz Год назад +1

      @@user-nz7cz2qz5vMI6, but close enough

  • @dumptrump3788
    @dumptrump3788 6 лет назад +394

    "Vow, Hanz. Zees American cigarreten are mind blowing!"

    • @starstencahl8985
      @starstencahl8985 4 года назад +27

      “Wow Hans, diese amerikanischen Zigarren blasen dir wortwörtlich die Birne weg”
      Okay couldn’t think of a better translation that still conserves the joke :D

    • @jakobc.2558
      @jakobc.2558 3 года назад +1

      Underrated comment.

    • @noafroman1
      @noafroman1 2 года назад +4

      "Franz, you are smoking vem backwards"

    • @parkerswaim6392
      @parkerswaim6392 2 года назад

      Yeah

  • @Sedan57Chevy
    @Sedan57Chevy 6 лет назад +401

    Not only is it amazing that these things even exist, but that 25,000 were made.

    • @crazyfvck
      @crazyfvck 6 лет назад +31

      +Sedan57Chevy Yup, you are correct. More than 50,000 were made :)

    • @Reddsoldier
      @Reddsoldier 6 лет назад +21

      Clearly the OSS were catering to the heavy smokers amongst their ranks!

    • @blaineralphtraropjr3645
      @blaineralphtraropjr3645 6 лет назад +1

      Where do I get one? Lol

    • @spiff2268
      @spiff2268 6 лет назад +1

      I wouldn't think very many. A .22 short is most likely just gonna piss somebody off.

    • @selrahc3904
      @selrahc3904 6 лет назад

      not if you got them in the back of the neck

  • @goaliesforpres
    @goaliesforpres 6 лет назад +484

    “I can’t find any documented use for these.”
    Yessssss.......exactly Mr. Bond. (Russian accent)

    • @charity7006
      @charity7006 6 лет назад +8

      Funny but Bond was English, the OSS wasn't, and Russia was on the same side

    • @lycossurfer8851
      @lycossurfer8851 6 лет назад +10

      It was primarily for long range sniping........
      about 3 yards (or meters) 😉

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge 6 лет назад +6

      Well that proves the Superiroty of Brtish Enginerring! The SOE Pipe gun V the OSS Cigarete gun! Though Q would probably have it firing a 40mm guided atomic bomb. Ian Fleming did make a lot a claims that HE was the originator of many plans and gadgets.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge 6 лет назад +5

      Ben: That would be the scope fitted bipod mount version then?

    • @sumvs5992
      @sumvs5992 3 года назад +3

      That's sort of like the 'greatest" murder ever, you never hear about it

  • @pricklydingus8604
    @pricklydingus8604 6 лет назад +1296

    OSS
    Office of Sneaky Stuff

  • @highlandoutsider
    @highlandoutsider 6 лет назад +247

    *bad Sean Connery impression* He jusht stepped out for a cigarette.

  • @eddyeikdal6741
    @eddyeikdal6741 6 лет назад +105

    Of all the great stuff on this channel my favorite is always the OSS gear.

  • @FIREBRAND38
    @FIREBRAND38 6 лет назад +88

    Ian, according to OSS literature "ten pens were packed in a wood and cardboard box sealed in a moisture proof envelope". I think these were being used in some fashion otherwise there would have been just the one contract. I'm sure there were a bunch expended in training and a whole lot more probably still buried in Europe in caches that were never recovered. I'd be curious to know how much noise was created when one of these was pressed into someones neck and fired. The 1944 OSS weapons catalog says it can be used to shoot people "sitting at a table or passing in a crowd" whereas the 1945 edition just calls it a "personal protection weapon for agents" so I have to wonder about THAT change of description.

  • @ianmacfarlane1241
    @ianmacfarlane1241 6 лет назад +492

    Three types - regular, low tàr and menthol.

    • @Wolvenworks
      @Wolvenworks 6 лет назад +12

      wait till you find the Kretek Edition; it kicks like a mule

    • @lycossurfer8851
      @lycossurfer8851 6 лет назад +15

      But with a fairly high amount of lead

    • @XtreeM_FaiL
      @XtreeM_FaiL 6 лет назад +6

      Ian Macfarlane I wish they have made vape version too.

    • @blaineralphtraropjr3645
      @blaineralphtraropjr3645 6 лет назад +1

      Ian Macfarlane Lol yes all equally deadly, super secret assassination devices. They take 20-30 yrs of daily use to kill you.

    • @venomx2
      @venomx2 5 лет назад +2

      Ian Macfarlane next we'll get the Newport Magnum

  • @Kizron_Kizronson
    @Kizron_Kizronson 6 лет назад +1150

    Video length 5.56 on a gun channel..... well played sir.

    • @whyjay9959
      @whyjay9959 6 лет назад +98

      And on a .22 gun, no less.

    • @expressodepresso173
      @expressodepresso173 6 лет назад +11

      Totally on purpose.

    • @cnlbenmc
      @cnlbenmc 5 лет назад +10

      (Taps fingers Conspiriatorially) EXCELLENT!

    • @BHZRD-em8gn
      @BHZRD-em8gn 5 лет назад +10

      Next will be 7.62

    • @cnlbenmc
      @cnlbenmc 5 лет назад

      +@Menachem Goldfarb+ MOST EXCELLENT!

  • @cravenjooooooooooooo
    @cravenjooooooooooooo 6 лет назад +368

    Smoking really does kill!

    • @Trogdor390
      @Trogdor390 6 лет назад +41

      Carry a carton full of these and watch a misfire set them all off. Gives a new definition to "chain smoking".

    • @ketsuekikumori9145
      @ketsuekikumori9145 6 лет назад +8

      Fortunately, you won't get second-hand smoke issues.

    • @ketsuekikumori9145
      @ketsuekikumori9145 6 лет назад +2

      Just snuff it out.

  • @TheBitwise
    @TheBitwise 6 лет назад +120

    I wonder if they lost some good agents before going to the Ordinance Dept. It'd be really awkward to have one of those go **click** and then need to kill your target with your bare hands.

    • @ProbInsane
      @ProbInsane 6 лет назад +2

      Or stab them with it

    • @skeemnave4882
      @skeemnave4882 6 лет назад +16

      „Ich sage, gibt es einen Grund, warum Sie mich sind bedrohlich mit diesem Pen Kollegen Deutsch?“

    • @Hirosjimma
      @Hirosjimma 6 лет назад +12

      sag Heinrich, was machst du mit dem Stift?

    • @dsfs17987
      @dsfs17987 6 лет назад +18

      they probably had the bayoneted one in the design pipeline...

    • @tomwebb3081
      @tomwebb3081 6 лет назад +9

      Even worse would be *bang* then killing them with what's left of your hands...

  • @victoreem2
    @victoreem2 6 лет назад +333

    Zigaretten?
    Danke!
    Bang!

  • @jdj5959
    @jdj5959 4 года назад +16

    I like to imagine some big meeting room with a huge table and a bunch of glass bowls just full of these things on the table/on smaller tables at the edge of the room

    • @jasonmccord1287
      @jasonmccord1287 2 года назад +2

      No they were at the reception desk, please take one

  • @hunter35474
    @hunter35474 Год назад +11

    The fact that the OSS already had a device in service named "Scorpion" is pretty funny.

  • @KnifeChatswithTobias
    @KnifeChatswithTobias 6 лет назад +61

    I would bet 75-90% of these things were fired in training exercises. Can you imagine using this device without testing it first.
    I also wouldn’t doubt that more operators were injured with them than potential targets.

  • @thomas316
    @thomas316 6 лет назад +384

    A bit unsporting to shoot someone after inviting them for a cigarette.

    • @user-qx7tm5df8j
      @user-qx7tm5df8j 6 лет назад +11

      coward gun

    • @azuritet3
      @azuritet3 6 лет назад +9

      it's ok if you use it on nazis

    • @TheWolfsnack
      @TheWolfsnack 6 лет назад +9

      remember that the OSS and is successor had a rather sordid history during and after WW2

    • @johnmcdougald1238
      @johnmcdougald1238 6 лет назад +10

      So? Chances are, when not stabbing in the back or slitting someone's throat from behind, Britain's "Department of Ungentlemanly Warfare" may have used them.
      They were also probably dropped, much like the Liberator Guns for use by Resistance forces, which were intended to kill a soldier in order to take their arms and supplies. Thereby, obtaining a useful firearm for yourself to use against those who oppressed you.

    • @TotalRookie_LV
      @TotalRookie_LV 6 лет назад +9

      Thomas
      Especially if that's _a postcoital_ cigarette.

  • @BillRoyMcBill
    @BillRoyMcBill 6 лет назад +12

    According to the movies a request for a final cigarette was always honored.
    It's a poor way to treat the gentleman who was doing you a solid.

  • @BatCaveOz
    @BatCaveOz 4 года назад +7

    2:19 "It basically renders the thing safe" - we should all pause for a moment...

    • @lukewilliams4080
      @lukewilliams4080 4 года назад +1

      Notice that the one that hadn't been fired (instead drilled out and rendered 'safe') had an O ring holding the trigger to the barrel, even though it has been apparently deactivated. I'm pretty certain safe was a relative concept with these things!

  • @Coopdog1911
    @Coopdog1911 4 года назад +4

    There were a couple of these in my Grandfathers collection of "cool stuff", a little different from these, but they shot a tear gas cartridge or a 410 shotgun shell. Never seen another one anywhere until this video.

  • @Moishel_Mitnyk
    @Moishel_Mitnyk 6 лет назад +85

    Nice table cloth, looks like my grandma’s house.

    • @Taistelukalkkuna
      @Taistelukalkkuna 6 лет назад +27

      "Oh Moose, you don´t believe it. I had such a nice young gentleman visit here. I showed him little souveniers I got..."

    • @thelegendaryklobb2879
      @thelegendaryklobb2879 6 лет назад +14

      Former spy grandma is best grandma

    • @michaelfodor6280
      @michaelfodor6280 6 лет назад +8

      Maybe your Grandma worked for the OSS... Chef Juila Child and actor Christopher Lee both worked for the British SOE, so it wouldn't be far fetched... :D

    • @gulfrelay2249
      @gulfrelay2249 5 лет назад +4

      @@michaelfodor6280 Child was a secretary / code clerk for O.S.S. in China/Burma/India theater. Her future husband was probably closer to the Action. They met there.

    • @weswolever7477
      @weswolever7477 4 года назад +1

      When grandma says have another piece of cake...you have another piece of cake

  • @marcusborderlands6177
    @marcusborderlands6177 6 лет назад +162

    How do we know it's actually Ian and not some OSS spy that replaced him?

    • @Swarm509
      @Swarm509 6 лет назад +34

      Maybe Ian is an OSS spy.... it would explain his extensive traveling under the guise of "making videos" and his training with Karl.

    • @ToastyMozart
      @ToastyMozart 6 лет назад +23

      An OSS-trained spy would have enough experience with recording devices to not have the mic peak every other syllable. It's definitely Ian.

    • @darylmorning
      @darylmorning 6 лет назад +10

      Or that's what they want you to think. Lol

    • @marshaul
      @marshaul 6 лет назад +16

      "An OSS-trained spy would have enough experience with recording devices to not have the mic peak every other syllable." LOL. You give the intelligence community _way_ too much credit. Especially at this point in time, they were likely to be adult rich kids with too much time on their hands and an inflated sense of their own competency and importance.
      So yeah, they made cool toys and nifty gadgets. But these were more or less the same guys who planned, among other things, the Bay of Pigs invasion and persuaded JFK that Vietnam would be a fantastic idea. Things aren't much better today, unless you glean your understanding from watching movies like Zero Dark Thirty.
      It turns out lack of oversight and accountability isn't a great formula for engendering competency, or successful outcomes. That's why no business works this way except cartels.

    • @rosscollingwood5189
      @rosscollingwood5189 6 лет назад +1

      True, but maybe that's actually part of his cover!

  • @tomalexander4327
    @tomalexander4327 6 лет назад +3

    Congratulations on the eight hundred thousand subs Ian. Very well deserved!

  • @jabroski9096
    @jabroski9096 4 года назад +6

    "Wanna smoke?"
    "Sure."
    And we never saw him again...

  • @owainrichards4372
    @owainrichards4372 6 лет назад +415

    Can have a smoke then smoke someone

    • @haroldellis9721
      @haroldellis9721 6 лет назад +3

      I'm going to take up smoking, and be a carton a day man.

    • @JiuJitsuCowboy1
      @JiuJitsuCowboy1 6 лет назад +8

      You know what they say, “Smoking Kills.” :D

    • @BillRoyMcBill
      @BillRoyMcBill 6 лет назад

      Saarn1823, Blintz and a Bong?

    • @jumanjicostco3248
      @jumanjicostco3248 6 лет назад

      That was probably brought up in the conversation that hatched the idea for this gun xD

    • @Shepard_AU
      @Shepard_AU 6 лет назад +1

      I'm just imagining a James Bond moment where he's at the firing squad and says the same thing to the soldier who offers him a ''cigarette''.

  • @shad8x936
    @shad8x936 6 лет назад +133

    Stuff like this always makes me wonder; Why dont just use good old knife or other stabby thingy ?
    Sharp piece of steel wont explode in your hand when you try to use it ;)

    • @petman515
      @petman515 6 лет назад +31

      this is easyer to hide that being said there have been some absurdly small knifes made for the same reason.

    • @Snubrevolver
      @Snubrevolver 6 лет назад +62

      Shad8x My guess is practicality. Successfully stabbing in the right place to avoid resistance and a quick death is tricky, not to mention messy. By comparison pressing a gun to a skull and firing is less of a science and generally provides immediate incapacitation.

    • @KySilverfish
      @KySilverfish 6 лет назад +44

      Knives are a more personal weapon and there would be greater psychological barriers to use for many prospective users.

    • @TheHaighus
      @TheHaighus 5 лет назад +13

      A knife the size of these guns would be not especially lethal, and it would be very difficult to kill someone quickly with one (ie. before you get incapacitated in return and the target gets first aid). Killing quickly and effectively with a knife (especially a tiny one) also takes skill and training.
      On the other hand, .22 bullets can happily penetrate skulls and cause lethal wounds, so at close range, this thing could be more reliably lethal to a target before they (or bodyguards) had chance to respond. At least in theory, they may have an unreliable mechanism in practice. It also has a little bit more range, so you could maybe do it from a window or crowd at the side of a road. Also doesn't rely on user strength at all, so even kids could use it effectively.
      Either way, you are looking at a one-shot attempt at killing an assassination target before being swarmed by enemies or something, and the OSS reckoned this was more dangerous than a tiny knife.

    • @spookygoof6176
      @spookygoof6176 5 лет назад +8

      I was gonna say you can't stab someone with a knife from 5 feet away but SOME fucker would have to say ballistic knife.

  • @Solsys2007
    @Solsys2007 6 лет назад +8

    Super cool episode ! But IIRC the term "cigarette gun" also applies to Filipino insurgency firearms where a lit cigarette is used pretty much as a matchlock, to ignite the internal powder charge (very Renaissance, with a modern twist)

  • @kohinarec6580
    @kohinarec6580 3 года назад +1

    This clandestine stuff is absurdly interesting.

  • @williamflowers9435
    @williamflowers9435 3 года назад +3

    It should be noted that cigarette holders were quite fashionable back in the days before filtered cigarettes. While the long opera and theatre length are more famous for women 10-20 inches... these OSS guns are very similar in length to most men’s as well as cocktail length women’s. Brands like Kristen are similar enough that without getting a good look it would be hard to tell and it’s not an item that would be out of place

  • @yeyito3676
    @yeyito3676 6 лет назад +35

    I really like these OSS guns! I imagine them being used for all sorts of thrilling spy stuff... But they probably were not that practical :(

    • @shawnr771
      @shawnr771 6 лет назад +5

      Yeyito Even if only one of them got used for its intended purpose it would be cool.

  • @skullfracture2
    @skullfracture2 5 лет назад +1

    Can't...stop...watching forgotten...weapons...

  • @lordkayx
    @lordkayx 3 года назад +1

    "Thats the Whole point of the Secret Service, old boy, you not hearing of them". 4:27

  • @terminator6267
    @terminator6267 6 лет назад +115

    *_Remember kids. Don't smoke._*

    • @GetsugaTensho85
      @GetsugaTensho85 6 лет назад +6

      terminator6267
      ....or you'll end up getting smoked!

    • @narcoleptic8982
      @narcoleptic8982 6 лет назад

      Remember, kids don't smoke!

    • @NoNameForMe_G
      @NoNameForMe_G 6 лет назад +2

      terminator6267 funnily enough I’m smoking a cigarette right now

  • @justinbaker8873
    @justinbaker8873 6 лет назад

    Thank you so much for constantly making videos on guns I've never seen or heard of. Even when you post a video of a firearm that I think I know about you provide a lot more information and I always learn something new.

  • @JoshsDigitalinteractions
    @JoshsDigitalinteractions 4 года назад

    I love how your videos are very entertaining, an I don’t have to watch a commercial every intro. Thank you for keeping them pure, keep em coming

  • @gyllkrans
    @gyllkrans 6 лет назад +5

    After seeing some of the things OSS made on this channel I have to wonder: Were all OSS engineers guys who had been reading too many pulp spy novels as impressionable kids?

    • @tooFarGonexk4he4tu3s
      @tooFarGonexk4he4tu3s 2 месяца назад

      I feel like OSS were the guys who willingly took the job of testing every stupid idea for a covert weapon and showing why exactly it is stupid

  • @Tulip1811
    @Tulip1811 6 лет назад +46

    Serious question- what sort of stopping power does .22 short have? Would you need to press it up to a sentry's temple to guarantee a kill?

    • @Paelorian
      @Paelorian 6 лет назад +32

      I expect that is exactly the intended use. Right in the most critical area of the head. Eye-nose triangle, temple, brain stem, etc. Then you don't need much power.

    • @stardust_2339
      @stardust_2339 6 лет назад +38

      Firearms of any caliber are extremely potent anti-personel weapons. This might not kill you out right but it can give the user enough time to kill you by other means. It is surprising, causes some noise and can put a hole in a human body. A combination of these can give enormous advantage to the attacker.
      Then again why not just use a blade put into the frame of a pen?

    • @TheBitwise
      @TheBitwise 6 лет назад +33

      My guess is this was intended for assassinating a more unsuspecting target than a sentry. The only shot I'd bet my life on (assuming this thing even fires) would be at the back of the neck at the base of the skull, in line with the brain stem; probably from a foot or less away. .22 Short can be surprisingly effective, but with this cigarette gun you've got no follow-up shots and I think the barrel is a bit too short to get nominal muzzle energy.

    • @jayzenitram9621
      @jayzenitram9621 6 лет назад +16

      There is a commonly held belief (I say it that way because I don't know the veracity of the claim) that more people have died to .22's than any other caliber. Considering that a 22 long leaves the muzzle at over 1000 fps, I'd be hesitant to stand in front of one.

    • @kidthorazine
      @kidthorazine 6 лет назад +5

      I don't think you'd absolutely have to make a contact shot but yeah you would have to be very close and would likely either go for the temple or the base of the skull. Or you could jam it upwards into someones solar plexus like you where stabbing them in the heart (which you are essentially, only with a bullet) and fire.

  • @shawnr771
    @shawnr771 6 лет назад

    Very cool.
    Thanks again to the collector who let you
    display these.
    Do not know how practical these are but I would rather have one or two if I needed it.
    Would give you options in planning. Something easy to get rid of after the deed had been done.

  • @Pcm979
    @Pcm979 6 лет назад +7

    God help anyone at the factory who needed to sign something and thought he spied a box full of pens.

  • @D3faulted1
    @D3faulted1 6 лет назад +5

    I'd imagine if they weren't used they probably wouldn't have bothered with revising the design and producing another batch. Even if they weren't used in the field i could see someone carrying one as a "just incase" kind of thing.

    • @Fedaykin24
      @Fedaykin24 6 лет назад +4

      I can't imagine anybody carrying it just in case when there are plenty of Pocket pistols available, also if you are caught with this you are pretty much guaranteeing being shot the next day for being a spy.
      Just like the Liberator pistol the programme to build this built up a momentum before anybody had a chance to say maybe this is a waste of time and resources.

    • @bavarianpotato
      @bavarianpotato 5 лет назад +1

      Tbh, i see this as a suicide gun. Agents that are about to be caught by the enemy shooting themselves to avoid interrogation.

  • @SamuraiChris78
    @SamuraiChris78 5 лет назад +1

    it would be funny to see these in a movie where the protagonist gets stuck in a room with a box of these and has to fight his way out with nothing but them.

  • @BrandMalone24
    @BrandMalone24 4 года назад +1

    Wouldn't mind a miscelanious desk mug with a few of these tossed in among the hi liters and paperclips

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers2603 6 лет назад +1

    The strange things covert ops will come up with, safety being a tertiary item! Thanks Ian

  • @JohnDoe-pv2iu
    @JohnDoe-pv2iu 5 лет назад +1

    ...Probably handed out like candy... I believe you are right. The CO, We have a new weapon available, it's a one shot 22 pen pistol. Men are like: I need some of those...Me too...
    CO: What mission do you have in mind?
    The Men: I'm not sure but I Know I can use some of them!
    Great Video!

  • @jonathanjoestar4612
    @jonathanjoestar4612 2 года назад +1

    2:21 "it basically renders the thing safe, these two arms hold the wire in and you can carry this around" then says at 5:16 "these things are incredibly dangerous, it would be very easy to inadvertently fire these" does Ian literally just say whatever the hell he wants as he goes along with no forethought?

  • @Cannibal713
    @Cannibal713 6 лет назад +2

    That is so incredibly cool. I love spy weapons. Real life James Bond stuff. Keep up the good work Ian.

  • @mikoajpietrych6168
    @mikoajpietrych6168 2 года назад +1

    honestly with such covert, single use, low caliber power, they could have gone for a piston design

  • @max_archer
    @max_archer 6 лет назад

    I remember seeing a picture of one of these in a book when I was a kid. I had no idea they were so tiny, in a photo without scale references they looked to be more like the size of an AA maglight or something similar.

  • @RomeoWhiskey692
    @RomeoWhiskey692 6 лет назад +2

    Excellent !!!
    I’ve always been fascinated at the lengths operators will go to , to be armed , even slightly , in adverse conditions .
    I love the whole “ spook “ aspect ...
    trench coats , secret messages , and hide-out weapons ... ingenious , if somewhat fanciful and ineffective items our forefathers carried into a shadow war .
    Cold comfort indeed , if these were all you had .
    By the by , the one time I actually got to look at one personally , it was a T2 type , I believe ... still loaded , and the owner was very nervous to allow anyone to handle it .
    I’ve seen the old metal emergency flare guns , the ones where the tiny flare screws onto the front of the launcher , and issued in pilot’s survival gear , converted to fire .22 ammunition as well .
    We all laughed about someone carrying around a CIA “ zip gun “.
    I think you may have done more damage actually shooting someone with the flare instead .
    Nowadays the issue item is made from plastic , to preclude such things .
    You might cover the “magazine guns” ... which were rolled in a magazine or newspaper , used to fire poison or projectiles at close quarters, for assassination purposes , and actually used in operations , I believe .
    The precursor to the umbrella gun used to kill Georgi Markov .

    • @shawnr771
      @shawnr771 6 лет назад +1

      Romeo Whiskey In the US military field manual on improvised weapons. There is a section on how to make a 12 gauge single shot from rolled up magazines.
      Not that I would want to have to fire it.

    • @RomeoWhiskey692
      @RomeoWhiskey692 6 лет назад

      Shawn R
      Oh yes , I believe it was made from pipe , and slam fired .
      You shoved it against your target and bang ... the target acted as a muffler , if not a silencer , absorbing the projectiles and gas as well , at contact range .
      Those were used to good effect in Central and South American operations , I believe .
      Definitely will make you pay attention to someone walking toward you in a crowd , with something in their hand other than a cell phone .

    • @TrueFlameslinger
      @TrueFlameslinger 6 лет назад +1

      Romeo Whiskey Cell phone gun.

    • @RomeoWhiskey692
      @RomeoWhiskey692 6 лет назад +1

      True Flameslinger
      Indeed !
      A full auto , electronically fired , suppressed , tactical iPhone .
      Using sub-caliber, hypervelocity projectiles tipped with curare , shell-fish toxin or ricin
      Aimed with the on-board camera , and initiated by the use of the touch screen .
      Target GPS tracking .
      Infrared and thermal camera options .
      Yes !
      Our new 007 iPhone ... discreet , concealable , light , user friendly , and deadly .
      For all your communications and assassination needs .
      Extended warranty , extra ammunition and data plans available .
      Offer void where local laws and restrictions apply .
      Order yours today !
      The new 007 iPhone , for the operative with class , style and sophistication....

    • @TrueFlameslinger
      @TrueFlameslinger 6 лет назад

      Romeo Whiskey The full auto part is unrealistic.

  • @christhier10
    @christhier10 4 года назад +1

    Now a video on irish cigarette bombs with mercury switches.

  • @txrockerusa1st862
    @txrockerusa1st862 4 года назад +5

    I've held a better1 from late 60's-70"s that looks like a pen. Good videos though thanks.

  • @ryanvargas4889
    @ryanvargas4889 6 лет назад +1

    This should be a warning to those in the habit of not returning pens and subsequently chewing on them...

  • @Ratrazor
    @Ratrazor 3 года назад +1

    It seems like they'd be really easy to reactivate, just pull them apart and then recrimp them with a new round in them and they probably still work.

  • @musikSkool
    @musikSkool 2 года назад +1

    So I spent the whole video thinking they were the size of a pen, then I looked at Ian's hands. Those things are the size of a finger! That is tiny!

  • @mauricerandall1216
    @mauricerandall1216 3 года назад

    Good guy: Here, hold this up to your ear and squeeze it and listen to the music it plays.
    Bad guy:

  • @Lazyguy22
    @Lazyguy22 6 лет назад +1

    What I'd give to be a fly on the wall at an OSS quartermasters' meeting. These gadgets look like the product of a gaggle of schoolkids given two bowls of sugar and James Bond box set.

  • @skizzarz
    @skizzarz 5 лет назад

    Love your clandestine vids!

  • @paulmanson253
    @paulmanson253 6 лет назад +1

    Dale Dye relates a story on the training experience for the Easy Company actors. He yells, "Gimme a magazine !", and one of the kids tries to hand him something made of paper.
    Ian uses the word clip to refer to the trigger mechanism/pocket clip. This clip just ain't used for reloading cartridges. Thus exposing one of the real weaknesses of the English language. You simply have to understand the context of so many usages and words. God help those trying to learn English as adults. When those of us using the language as a milk tongue have to think about the usage of a word,the idiosyncratic nature of this mishmash of a language is exposed.
    Fascinating little gadget. WOW,when the democracies finally decide to get mean,we can come up with some real nastiness. As well as that Sam Hughes idiocy of the shovel with a hole in it for soldiers. There sure is a mean streak buried in most of us. That is both a good thing and a bad thing,as with most human behaviours.

    • @danielthompson6207
      @danielthompson6207 6 лет назад

      paul manson Yes, English is a very convoluted language. The language was affected by a great deal of politics and there were many changes to the languages based simply on "Well they say and spell it this way, and we refuse to be like them in absolutely any way, so we will now change it, even if the change makes the language more clunky and awkward than it already is!!" She's not a perfect language, far from it in fact, but it's what we've got.

    • @paulmanson253
      @paulmanson253 6 лет назад

      Daniel Thompson If interested, there is a 1986 book by Robert McNeil,The Story of English. Also here on YT,the PBS companion series to the book. As well,BBC did a similar series years later. Both well worth watching.

  • @Cannibal713
    @Cannibal713 4 года назад

    Ian, you have coolest job in the world. You get to fly all over the world and examine/shoot unicorn rare firearms. Where the hell were you on career day?

  • @markanne54
    @markanne54 5 лет назад +1

    I'll take the cigar model in .357 - though on second thought, not sure I'd want to fire something like that directly in the palm of my hand.

  • @Tadicuslegion78
    @Tadicuslegion78 6 лет назад +2

    And suddenly I’m reminded of that scene from You Only Live Twice when Bond smokes then shoots the guy

  • @mathewwinney8036
    @mathewwinney8036 5 лет назад

    Thanks for showing those.

  • @tieck4408
    @tieck4408 5 лет назад +5

    >We already have a gun named scorpion.
    Ah, the OSS.

  • @notafbiagent473
    @notafbiagent473 3 года назад +1

    The OSS stinger or as I like to call it: The Kolobri Panzerfaust

  • @EURIPODES
    @EURIPODES 5 лет назад +1

    What you use when somebody steals your Liberator

  • @oceanhome2023
    @oceanhome2023 4 года назад

    Ribbentrop had a conversation with Hitler saying that some phoney cease fire treaty could be done with Stalin and during the signing he would pull out this pen gun and kill Stalin .Probably the bravest fantasy “Rib”ever had !

  • @DavidGarcia-sx8th
    @DavidGarcia-sx8th 6 лет назад

    Crazy history of that...

  • @DerpScout
    @DerpScout 4 года назад +3

    Soldier, "Do you have any last words?"
    Me, "Yeah let me smoke one last cigarette."
    Soldier, "Alright, you have 1 minute."
    Me: *pulls out stinger cigarette pistol* **BANG**
    me: runs away singing James bond theme.

  • @johnbergeron3486
    @johnbergeron3486 4 года назад

    Thank you

  • @Jesses001
    @Jesses001 6 лет назад

    I can see something like this being very useful in VERY limited situations. Those situations a spy or other such operative would be the only one to find themselves in, so actually this gun...thing makes all kinds of sense.

  • @Logan-zp8bi
    @Logan-zp8bi 3 года назад +1

    You know these are actually pretty over engineered, they could've just made a .22 long rifle cartridge wrapped in a metal tube. The firing mechanism is contained in a device that appears to be a cigarette lighter. You stick the rear of the tube inside of the lighter making a full on hand gun, and the enemy would be non-the-wiser.

  • @baron8107
    @baron8107 6 лет назад +2

    A spring-loaded triangular dagger disguised as a cigarette would've been more reliable.

  • @stephenjerome7793
    @stephenjerome7793 Год назад

    Can you imagine needing this 1 shot disposable firearm and then because it is a .22 it just doesn’t work when you need it most.

  • @TrinidadJamesWoods
    @TrinidadJamesWoods 5 лет назад +2

    I would be curious to know how effective these were in the field - how many HVTs were taken out by them.

  • @luked2767
    @luked2767 2 года назад

    That's real last ditch, I would really want a knife also, but they should have came up with an end cap that made it look more like a ballpoint pen.
    Maybe something like .32 magnum would have been better to make it more pen like but your limited.
    I have often heard of smoothbore .22lr screw down pen guns some crudely made some made nicely with rifled barrels handed out during many many conflicts.
    Better than nothing

  • @Loweko1170
    @Loweko1170 6 лет назад

    Obvious thing to point out - clearly enough of them were used that feedback was passed back to the manufacturers, and a second production run ordered.

  • @georgesears934
    @georgesears934 6 лет назад

    Ian was sick today and had to be replaced by Stuart Ashen. I must say, he does a reasonable impression of him!

  • @dennisdeboer4711
    @dennisdeboer4711 6 лет назад +21

    22 short? What where they trying to assassinate, a squirrel?

    • @TheBitwise
      @TheBitwise 6 лет назад +9

      I think they chose .22 for ease of concealment, and Short because it's subsonic. Long Rifle would have a significantly louder report. It's certainly stealthy, and I never thought I'd ever say this, but; I'd rather use a Liberator.

    • @dennisdeboer4711
      @dennisdeboer4711 6 лет назад

      Bit I know why they used it but does that bullet really have the power to kill, even if you hit like in the eye? Could have poisoned them for maximum agent points.

    • @TheBitwise
      @TheBitwise 6 лет назад +10

      .22 Short can definitely kill, but would take some ludicrous shot placement. That's why I mentioned the .45 ACP Liberator.

    • @TheWolfsnack
      @TheWolfsnack 6 лет назад +1

      cigarette holder suppressor?

    • @fallout0624
      @fallout0624 6 лет назад +1

      Bit close range as these are I imagine that you press it to the head or neck to use it

  • @on1yadam
    @on1yadam 6 лет назад +1

    I would not want to have this one me, someone stole my pen today at work 😂😂😂😂

  • @Tekdruid
    @Tekdruid 6 лет назад +2

    "I assure you, nicotine is not going to be what kills you..."
    *BANG*

  • @Ivo--
    @Ivo-- 6 лет назад

    More of these weird tiny guns please!

  • @SeraphinaPZ
    @SeraphinaPZ 6 лет назад +1

    Why was this not in Metal Gear Solid 3? "Just havin' a smoke here, nothing to see", then Snake takes out the guard and infiltrates the facility to find Sokolov.

    • @alexmoore1506
      @alexmoore1506 6 лет назад

      Sera well they had cigarettes that dispensed knock out gas.

  • @boomstick1584
    @boomstick1584 3 года назад +1

    Everyone says how everything is disposable in 2020....
    “Disposable WWII Cigarette Gun”

  • @brendancarlson1678
    @brendancarlson1678 5 лет назад

    Getting hit by a .22 short would make for a very bad day, but unless you hit someone in the heart I don't see the lethality.

  • @blairfleming5861
    @blairfleming5861 3 года назад

    mark: "where's bob"
    Steve: "he's taking the long smoke break"

  • @M4jeff
    @M4jeff 6 лет назад

    Just awesome, thank you sir!

  • @millennialmalaise9386
    @millennialmalaise9386 6 лет назад

    Guns like the wellrod have a point with the suppressor. With something with such prohibitively short range, would it not be better simply to have a knife? Even if it is .22 short, it is still a gunshot.

  • @t.carpenter2886
    @t.carpenter2886 4 года назад

    From your top pocket to Fritz's neck, nab his mp40, grab the maps, place a bomb and bail. Awesome!

  • @tehgreatvak
    @tehgreatvak 6 лет назад

    Operative, your mission is to find Herr Feldmarshal Helmut Otto von Kartoffelnpanzerung and... write him off

  • @chopinbloc
    @chopinbloc 5 лет назад +1

    If that were pressed against flesh, it probably wouldn't make much noise.

  • @novaterra973
    @novaterra973 6 лет назад

    I saw them displayed on spy exhibition in San Antonio.

  • @danhalfhill9169
    @danhalfhill9169 5 лет назад +1

    A cigarette that can kill you.....seems the oss was a little late in the game.

  • @michaelmccarthy4615
    @michaelmccarthy4615 6 лет назад

    Without some prior training, I can't imagine how quickly you would need to arm this standing almost right next to your target.

  • @burn1down249
    @burn1down249 4 года назад +1

    I'm from Australia, there's no chance you could run your channel from here

  • @rustyshacklfort9508
    @rustyshacklfort9508 5 лет назад +2

    I always get OSS (from ww2) and OSI (from the Venture Bros) confused .

  • @dentonlo5345
    @dentonlo5345 6 лет назад

    Wow, the crazy and clever things the OSS thought of.

  • @scrooge-mcduck
    @scrooge-mcduck Год назад

    You light it. And it fires a bullet. Better than exploding cigars.
    Now make it full auto.

  • @den2k885
    @den2k885 4 года назад

    Gotta love OSS tools.