OSS Flying Dragon: A Silent Poisoned Dart Gun
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024
- The OSS experimented with a lot of…unorthodox weapons during World War Two, and one of their overarching goals was a weapon with a 100 yard lethal range but without flash or noise. To this end they experimented with a number of suppressed firearms as well as weird stuff like various crossbow designs, silenced dart gun pistol conversions, and in this case a CO2 powered dart gun. It was code aimed the Flying Dragon, and first mentioned in documents in 1943. In the summer of 1945, 15 were manufactured, and 12 of these remained in OSS stocks at the end of the war.
In July 1945 testing, the Flying Dragon was found the be the second-quietest option (the William Tell crossbow was quieter, at 66 decibels to the Dragon’s 69 decibels). However, the testing board noted that a simple suppressed .22 pistol was pretty much just as good, and quite a lot cheaper (and more reliable, I would expect). The problem with a dart gun like this one is that if it is not reliably lethal, the whole point of its silenced is lost. Anyone shot by that big dart and not killed by it (which would require a pretty significant muzzle velocity) will immediately start making a heck of a lot of noise. OSS investigated options for poison on the darts to give the weapon the necessary lethality, but was unable to find a suitable solution. This led to discussion of using a small hypodermic syringe as a projectile, an even less practical idea - but this was the freewheeling OSS, where such things were not uncommon to consider.
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Awesome, we finally get to see the F in ForgottenWeapons.
What's the 'orgotten' for, then? :D
Look at the channel's logo
F yeah!
Finwolven wait, that's supposed to read an F? I always thought it's just the logo of the channel called "orgotten Weapons". Silly me.
Woah dude nice eye
The 'loading tool' might have been a safety feature to prevent accidentally stabbing yourself with a poison dart.
My exact thoughts as well. I can imagine them developing the gun and poking themselves a few times and think(before we ad poison we really need to get a cap to prevent us getting stuck)Plus it might help the darts tip poison last longer.
That too.
That's the problem with toxins. There are some with incredibly rapid takedowns (Conotoxin for example) but as a rule the best ones are all big-ass proteins that denature if you look at them funny.
Not to mention, when I say 'rapid' we're still talking minutes here, not instant takedown.
ReverendTed
I'm curious if you might have actually inserted the dart into the breech end of the barrel and then latched the barrel on. The tool would make a lot more sense as a ramrod that way.
My thought as well, that however would presume the inventor made sense.
Hey, that’s a real concern! There was a Byzantine Emperor who once killed himself by accidentally stabbing himself with a poison arrow on a hunting trip. It can happen to anyone.
"Silent Mortar"
I see a slight flaw in that plan....
Other than the whole exploding business, I could not possibly think of what it could be.
@Baron Von Grijffenbourg It looks like it came straight out of Maxwell Smarts smoking left trouser leg
Not to hide the explosion but the position of the shooter(s) probably. If you have some partisan troops hiding and shooting that with a high ballistic curve the surprised soldiers would probably have a hard time knowing from where it came.
I guess if the mortar shell silently started discharging mustard gas or something similar upon impact instead of exploding it might even work! Make the discharge silent, shoot a lethal gas shell and voila! Silent mortar!
If you take out your targets with one mortar round, it works... kind of
Silent mortar:
Whispers “splash out”
*sentry explodes*
*Sneak 100*
No-one sees you if there is no-one to see you.
It's silent if no one live to notice
“Must have been the wind”
*Laying back and missing legs*
I believe the purpose behind making it silent is that it could be used behind enemy lines by partisan forces without alerting enemy forces to where the shot came from
If you want weird, wonderful and hilarious, get your hands on the OSS Simple Sabotage Manual.
It recommends that should more physical forms of sabotage be impossible, that you consider other options.
Namely, a committee should be formed to discuss the legality of your orders and to make sure it follows the correct chain of command, process.
You should then, as your first action of the committee, is to debate whether you had the authority in the first place to form the committee.
Yes, you read that right. Administrum to beat the fascists.
meanwhile in germany, competing companies work together and bring all their patents together to develop a machinegun that revolutionized all worthy machineguns after the war.
Trying to beat the Germans in bureaucracy is like getting into a land war in Asia… or betting against a Sicilian when death is on the line
@@Abdega Inconceivable
I think that book might either be an elaborate prank or the only success by the Abwehr.
"The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is it's own inefficiency."
-Eugene J. McCarthy
"Let me show you it's features"
hehe i also thought of Joerg when i saw that gun.
Three went missing somewheres near Germany, coincidence?
Quirks and features?
When does he say this?
For those whom dont get it. Look for the Slingshot channel.
No mention of the early injection molding?! The dart itself shows the use of innovative materials and processing long before it was commercially common.
....silent mortar? Now that’s a big ‘ol suppressor.
True, injection molding was invented in the late 19th century but this injection molded dart seems very modern with its translucent red plastic. It shows that injection molding had come pretty far by the 1940's, and that before the screw injection machine was invented.
Smaller than a silenced tank.
Easier to carry too!
Covert mortars... Yes because when i think silent and covert I think long range high explosives... Oss must have been on some good shit.
Well, coke was the one n' done medicine they had.
You hear the boom but have no idea where it came from.
I always wondered what gun is in the the Forgotten Weapons logo. Now we know I guess.
He's cia
+John Doe
If he does you are supposed to follow the hit him with a car procedure
its a Dardick magazine fed revolver i believe
I read somewhere that its actually the puckle gun
@@therideneverends1697 How about the ones that glow in the dark?
No joke, while working with OSS documents at NARA, I found one article simply entitled "German Use of Weaponized Fog."
Straight up Dwarf Fortress style insanity.
I believe its the same stuff the germans used to hide the Battleship Tripiz in the Norway. Historians recently found out that in the area the ship was hidden, the trees had miserable growth during the war years as the fog was somewhat poisonous.
Maybe a reference to the Nebelwerfer rocket launchers? Nebel in german meams fog.
So this got a bunch of replies. To expand a bit- I pulled the file out of curiosity (had nothing to do with my research) and it was literally an OSS report on the possibility that the Germans would try to chemically alter/poison fog in England. Like, literally turn London’s fog into a chemical weapon.
The OSS was not always amazing at its job.....
keith moore, see my comment above- it wasn't that at all ;)
Ok, I grew up playing the Medal of Honor series of games on Playstation and Playstation 2. For those who don't know, in those games you usually play as an OSS operative in WW2. Now, I am seeing all of these funky, cool, unique OSS weapons and getting a little bit annoyed/angry that the devs of the games NEVER USED ANY OF THEM IN THE GAMES. In MoH Underground, you got to use an OSS Big Joe crossbow and that was the extent of the cool OSS weapons you were able to use.
So many missed opportunities...
I'm guessing because this stuff was CIA weapons info on most of them would have been hard to dig up.
A lot of that stuff was probably still classified when the original MOH games were made.
Nah, I knew about most of those weapons back in the 80's - a lot of them were shown in the Time Life WWII series of books my parents had when I was a teen. I also had a book on OSS weapons back in the early 90's that showed even more of them. I think it was called OSS Secret Weapons of WWII, or something like that.
They had the Welrod too in Rising Sun. Although it was was single load, single kill, and an SOE weapon. But, at least they tried, right? Lol
Cause half the stuff we know of WW2 have unconvered in the last decade little to early to late mate.
If anyone is interested, typical "Dart Guns" in use today (for immobilizing large animals) actually do use a "dart" which consists of a syringe and spring which injects a narcotic/sedative upon hitting the animal.
Which actually has me wondering why the OSS _wasn't_ able to come up with a suitable poison for the Flying Dragon. Immobilizing large temperamental animals takes some extremely powerful sedatives, enough to knock out a human in _seconds_ if they accidentally stick themself with a large-animal dart and to kill them within a few minutes from respiratory failure if the antidote isn't immediately administered; those lethally-powerful sedatives would seem to be the perfect poison for something like the Flying Dragon.
@@vikkimcdonough6153 Because even then the poison wouldn't act fast enough. 5-10 seconds is plenty of time for a sentry to scream out that they've been shot. If they are extremely well trained it's even enough time to alert nearby forces to the rough location of where they were shot from.
OSS: Darts! Poison! Syringes! CO2 Rockets!
Meanwhile in Britain: Silenced .45 carbine. Done.
Difference is that silenced .45 carbine still makes a loud sound even tho it's labelled as "silenced".
@@vipr1142 They fired it from a rooftop in london in broad daylight... Nobody stirred. Anyone with experience with suppressed weapons would know that's an incredible feat.
De Lisle carbine was probably the most effective sentry remover developed in the last 100 years it was used well beyond the war up til the 60's one of the most quiet firearms ever made. So no... It does not make a "loud sound" It makes a dainty click which nobody will recognize as a report from a muzzle.
@@vipr1142 Looks at Ian's video on the 'Welrod'.
@@vipr1142 Not only the gun but the ammo plays mayor role. Subsonic ammo.
@@0Raik yea, I love you man. So friggin much :(
Later used in the office with a dart board.....
Khai J Bach
That would be a lot of fun. Just sitting in the office dicking around with a dart gun
I'm sure the lunchroom fridge stopped having things go missing too.
So that was the dart gun that Dwight used on Stanley
Everyone works real hard knowing 'The Boss' has this FW mascot and
an aquarium filled with cute little yellow frogs* on his/her desk!
*(Phylobates terribilis)
You could stand across the room and it would still be point blank range with this
This gun actually looks a lot like your logo, huh.
This gun looks like the channels logo
Yes, yes it does
Cameron H garbage?
I always really appreciate the history lesson along with the gun itself. Great work as always.
"You've got a dart in your neck..."
"What?"
God, I enjoy this guy’s channel. So interesting.
"When I was sixteen, I won a great victory. I felt in that moment I would live to be a hundred. Now I know I shall not see thirty."
Vic “none of us know our end really”
All hail Gun Jesus
I can hear it now... "HELLLLP! I"VE JUST BEEN SHOT WITH A GIANT DART BY A MAN IN THE BUSHES AND IT'S STUCK IN MY BACK! GET IT OUT GET IT OUT!"
monty python could have improved on that
life alert
The strangest part about this whole story must be the fact that they could just as easily have used an existing air rifle, they had been around for at least a hundred years by then, including very powerful ones with pump action. In fact, one stars in one of Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories!
Ian , you never cease to amaze me. I respect all of your hard work that you put into these for our enjoyment, education, and entertainment. Thank you
I think I saw one in a flea market. The guy thought it was some kind of grease gun because he found it with some old tools. I guess I should have bought it
@@justforever96 you may be right
Where's the belt pouch containing surgical gloves and colorful little frogs from South America ?
yeah those frogs are supposed to kill you immediately if yo utouch them, right?
It reminds me of the crossbow from Deus Ex 1, it fired silent darts with a toxin that knocked enemies out cold. Problem is the toxin took 10 seconds or so to take effect, so you'd hit a guard with it and he would run off shouting and setting off all the alarms
THIS IS OSS FLYING DRAGON! SIMPLE JACK IS WITH US NOW!
daktari This is Less Grossman who is this?
THIS IS FWAMING DWAGON!!!!
I mean, how else are you going to silently shoot down the Batwing?
Can imagine how straight those barrels would have been after trudging through the wood with that. May have been more effective just going up to that sentry and hitting him over the head with it. Glad to see others have notice the Flying Dragon and logo simularity.
Considering they are metal
Very
World War 2 did produce some weird and wonderful contraptions
I'll type one word, and one word only. M A U S
Maus is nothing its a slightly scaled up conventional tank, when I say weird and wonderful I am talking stuff like Goliath Tracked Mine, Hafner Rotabuggy, Anti-tank Dogs and that kind of stuff
If they want a silent and deadly weapon they should have used the world's funniest joke
The Lone Wanderer i see you’re a man of culture as well
I believe that was a Top Secret project at the time. You see, they were using a duel development strategy. The US was to develop the Manhattan Project and the Brits were to handle the WFJ, whomever got there first or whichever seemed to most promising was to be the weapon used against Japan. They were able to finish the WFJ before the A-bomb but they were eventually edged out when the program bogged down due to trouble converting the joke into a 'haiku' format for use in the PTO.
The Lone Wanderer but would you not need to talk?
"we're from the government and we're here to help!"
?????
MJY you got it!
You mean to tell me Lewis and Clark had managed to find an obscure Austrian air rifle, but half the college grads on the Eastern seaboard couldn't come to the conclusion to use an air rifle?
Air rifles still make a loud crack when fired. Since it's pretty obvious that pressurized air being released quickly isn't a quiet action.
@@CThyran no but you can still put an suppressor on an air rifle and make it silent.
@@sebastianriz4703 they didnt know that 80 years ago
@@elmerjfapp5730 They had silencers on other weapons, why would you think they didn't even consider silencing an air rifle?
I can't believe that you did that whole segment without mentioning that it was the gun on your logo,...while you're wearing a shirt, ...with the logo. I always wondered if that logo was a real gun or just an abstract F. Now I know.
The challenge of carrying poison darts around safely reminds me of a TA for the university class on museums I'm taking telling us about writing up a condition report on an old quiver from somewhere in the Amazon, and finding partway through that the inside was still covered in poison from arrows or darts (I think those might've still been in it too when they started) that they had to get analyzed to see how dangerous it still was. Could've been a nasty surprise for anyone who stuck their hand in there unawares.
“One shot, silent, undetectable and can be reloaded in less than 30 seconds.” I guess they’ve never heard of a bow and arrow.
My guess on the loading tool use it's you would load the dart into the beach end of the barrel first using the tool to press it in. Then you would slide the barrel onto the action assembly
Regarding shooting syringes, the dart guns used for shooting animals with tranquilizer or medicine use this exact system, I believe the dart/syringe is pressurized, and when it hits the target the syringe opens abd injects the fluid. Might be an interesting video to check out a whole modern dart gun like that one day
Perfect against Deathclaws.
Try me
@@mininuke aaahhhhhh
Sure let me pause for stimpaks
lols this week we are going to take a look at out own logo
The OSS really was a collection of odd miscreants. Everyone from the guy at the top named "Wild Bill" to the schmucks in the field who run the gambit from "New Money" aristocratic playboys to committed Communists fresh from the Lincoln Brigades.
EDIT: Reflecting on this, there's something charmingly "American" about it, specific to the country during this time-period. Dramatically different politics that'd mesh like water and oil any other time but during this time everyone regardless of the bell-curve had the same notion of "American Democracy" and the political differences were just seen as two roads to get you to the same place. I think we had a better grasp on our identity as a Nation back then, we were more naive but in that naivety we thought we knew who we were so that even the hedge-fund capitalists and the Trotskyite-Communists could agree on something. It's something of a bittersweet shame we ran out of Nazis and Japanese Militarists to fight. :/ Sometime I feel like we're Micky Rourke's character from "The Wrestler" idk.
Fuzzy Dunlop I
Yup
The miscreants got even odder after the US recruited the defeated Nazi intelligence agents and put them right back to work.
Twirlip Of The Mists why would you throw away good brains
given the results, the german secret service wasn't really well equipped in the brains department.
I didn't read all comments but shape of the loading tool is the same as the expanded breach of the barrels. It would therefore facilitate the loading properly in the weapon as well as helping the rubber o-ring to transition into the barrel.
Imagine the possibilities for using this gun outside of shooting it!
Scratch your back
Poke the meat youre cooking
Reach those pesky hard-to-reach areas!
Anthony Sullivan would lose his marbles if he were to see it
Pump up your bicycle tires.
How have I missed this one? Oh boy, awesome stuff as always!
Title really mislead me Ian. There were absolutely no Flying Dragons in this video.
I think that the loading tool is to go in the back of the gun to depress the pin that pierces the CO2 cartridge, you don't want it pierced before it is locked in its housing so it has to be pierced after. There appears to be a hole at the back of the gun above the grip and immediately behind the CO2 housing into which it could be inserted.
At one time in the U.K CO2 operated pellet guns were deemed firearms and you needed a Firearm Certificate to own one as technically it was not an "airgun" due to the fact an airgun operated by compressed air, and CO2 wasn't air, and even paintball guns were at one time classed as firearms.
And now in Scotland, a balloon on a stick can qualify as an 'unlicenced air weapon' and get you jailed.
I will come back and revisit this immediately. Considering the advancements in technology dude especially all the stuff that we've seen even from civilian engineers. Throw a bipod on and a scope this guy has potential.
When you were talking about the sentry just getting hurt and screaming his head off, all I could think of was Tom's scream on Tom and Jerry
I have a few OSS prototype fletched darts for their crossbow pistol. Fletching is either feather or scrap aluminum. Interesing historically, originally purchased by a collector after WW2
Could the "loading tool" be used to hammer the CO2 cartridge into the cartridge holder to pierce it or something? So you place the cartridge in the tube and then give it a smack with that tool to ensure the nozzle end is seated properly against whatever seal mechanism is in there?
Josh, Perhaps the loading tool is to seat the dart into the barrel first then mount the barrel onto the 'action for use. Those fins on the dart look fragile and the sealing washer is gonna be a bit of a fit in the tube. Poss lubrication needed too I think
As somebody else said it is likely there so that if the dart were poisoned you could load it in without significant risk of your hand slipping and shortening your life expectancy to zero
The strange and unusual can be so cool. Thanks Ian
I believe the loading tool would be used to seat the dart into the barrel. You would not want the dart all the way back for an air gun.
And if poisoned you wouldn't want to touch the end so much.
Or maybe it was a poison applicator?
@@jeremywilliams5107 poison applicator and loading tool?
Your best video yet, Ian! Such an awesome channel.
Ring-a-ding, baby!
This is one of those why have I been watching for hours but it feels so good channels
Back in 1965 Dad bought me a BB Pistol for Christmas. It was one of those fake look-like a M1911. The front of the gun had a a tip up portion where you could insert your choice of a BB, a .177 Pellet or a small dart complete with feathers to aid in flight. I loved those darts, it also came with a dart board so you could play darts with the gun. I used to spend hours in our old wood lined dugout under the house shooting those darts into that board, got so I was quite good with the little things; perhaps that is why I still carry a modified M1911A1 to this very day. Oh by the way, just for shits and giggles, I bought a modern version of that gun, hoping to find the little darts in the package, but alas, there were none in the kit, in fact the new version came without any ammo of any sort, and instead of the flat blue that my Christmas Pistol had, this one came in fake Stainless, well painted silver with a mat finish.
When you were talking about them trying to make a weapon that would shoot a syringe type projectile was actually conceived. It was this object that was little bit longer than a pen and about as round as a nickel. It utilizes CO2 also. The ammunition were these syringe like darts. So basically you had about an inch long needle connected to this little tiny thing on the end that look like a radio transistor. If you were to hold it up to a pellet from a pellet gun. It would be like half the size. They would put poison and that little container that look like a transistor. Then at one end is where the needle was connected. The poisons stayed sealed in that little container until that needle hit its Target and that needle would move back just enough to puncture into that tiny cylinder. The Target wouldn't even fill the projectile hit. If they did and started feeling for it and then find it and pull it out it would be too late and the poison would already be in you. The projectile would only go in the length of the needle. The tiny solenoid would stay outside the skin. It was sad. It was said that if you were to feel the syringe when it hit you then found the end and pull it out. The poison in the solenoid takes about a second to inject once punctured by the other end of the needle. Then from that point it was sad that within about 15-20 seconds all your muscles start tensing severely. Then they say your dad Within the next minutes. But I guess this was still not fast enough. it was actually even called something like the bee sting or something. I think it would have been totally fast enough. Somebody if they felt it would be distracted long enough wondering what just hit them or bet them that they wouldn't sound the alarm in time. But I guess this thing was only effective within 25 ft. Not yards but feet. Plus the way it was design to be was close contact like in crowds. So the idea never went into production and only a few prototypes were made. One of the coolest things I did when I was young let's get to go to the convention of all these weapon designers and gun makers trying to sell their idea. For 2 days I ran around this convention looking at everybody's idea and sitting down and listening to them go through their pitch with people. I swear I thought every idea was awesome. I remember it was 1982 somewhere around Seattle. but there was this gun maker and he had this kid who what's selling rubber band guns. Sense both our parents had b o o t h s at this convention. We hung out all day for that weekend. He gave me this really cool rubber band gun that was totally awesome. I had so many good times around weapons as a kid Carrie. LOL
This made me remember that the British used bow and arrow during WW2 - at least one of them did!
Mad Jack Churchill
Don't forget he charged while playing the bagpipes
I think he also used a broadsword
Ian you need a cat in this video too. 90% of the 750 ish coments were about the cat meowing in the background.
Helps the exposure you know : )
Your"s logo gun?)
The OSS became the ASA, or Army Security Agency. I know, my father worked for them in the Vietnam era. The ASA later became the NSA as we know it today...
ASA came from ASIS. OSS became the CIA.
Wait wait wait, the OSS had a silent mortar? I would love to see that!
The dart was put into the barrel first then both were set to the trigger block. This helped to make shore you didn't spike yourself under stressful conditions.
Poisonous crossbow would be much better I guess
Did you happen to see "The wild geese" recently? :)
Roger Wennström great movie a true classic.
I live in the UK, and used to hunt with gas powered rifles/handguns, and catapults.
This reminds me of those days of youth!
The syringe idea is used in tranq guns...
... which don't exactly have an effect instantly after a hit.
That's a feature of the substance used, not the delivery method, although I'm not sure that there is anything which will act fast enough to stop a sentry from at least screaming in pain when hit with something that size.
"That's a feature of the substance used, not the delivery method, "
AFAIK not really. For big game usually some sort of opioid is used (often Carfentanyl) which (except for prodrugs which I guess aren't used here for precisely this reason) do have an immediate effect - once they hit the receptors in sufficient dose. However, no poison or anaesthetic can act any faster than it can reach its target tissue in an effective dose and you can't be sure to hit a major blood vessel.
Yeah, that was the thrust of the second half of my comment. Even if you have something which is more potent and faster than animal tranquilliser, there's a delay while the blood transfers it from the impact site to the nervous system. If you just want to drop a sentry without giving away your position it might work, but he also has to be alone and out of earshot of any comrades if you want to do it without alerting the rest of the guard. In that case, it's hard to see what the Flying Dragon brings to the table which wouldn't be done better with a Welrod.
grafixbyjorj welrod is a gun.
Guns are loud.
Ian should consider a comedy act. The first half had me in tears. I always enjoy his content.
OSS maybe???? Oooooo That's a bingo, that is how you say that right?
The R&D for this weapon and its applications sounds frickin hilarious 😂
“Silent Mortar” = water balloon slingshot
Its nice workmanship.
So basically OSS wanted a crossbow?
Zafo24pl crossbows are super loud actually
My Texan LSS CF Air Rifle in .457 with a 14in suppressor on the end of a shrouded barrel powered by high pressure normal air. It shoots a 340grn cnc machined aluminum tipped lead round going right under 1000fps, very lethal up to and even past 100yds. It’s a one shot weapon, but with a small extra air tank in a backpack you can get more than several shots. It’s the move today in 2023. It’s a much larger setup, but with a thermal at night in the dark has been deadly medicine on coyotes and deer 🤌
I'd love more OSS content - but please stray into the knives and the weirdo hidden
stuff.
*THANKS IAN! VERY COOL!*
The OSS was the second-wackiest developer of World War II after the Nazis.
Not arguing, but UK belongs somewhere on that list.
Yes, SOE use of aniseed balls and condoms has to place them near the top for sheer creativity.
Also the piece of crap human garbage known as the Nazis are also responsible for the space program, incredible medical advances, (insane human experimentation) and ultimately missiles that can be fired across oceans.
John-Paul Silke Items 1 and 3 on your list are the same thing, even, because that's how humanity rolls.
My favorite was a little psychological weapon called "Who, Me?" Essentially, a foul smelling fluid in a spray bottle designed to embarrass enemy officers.
Someone in the Eastern Block: "With that long barrel, it could be disguised as an umbrella !"
I can see tribes from the amazon laughing.
You load the dart in the rear end of the barrel, then use the push rod to press the dart to its proper depth (then attach barrel) for proper launch. This makes a void for the co2 to expand into for a quick launch.
Ian, there exists a gun, so manly that words can barely describe it, yet I shall try. .458 win mag M1 Garand
I recall many years ago when the .30 carbine was so plentiful that you could hardly sell them, one outfit re-barreled them in .45 Grizzly Magnum. Now that would make a wonderful gun, wish I had taken advantage of the offering when I still had my FFL back in those days, but my thoughts were, why get one of them when I had 2 Mini 14's?
Jerry Ericsson The only reason needed to get a gun that is chambered above .44 cal is the single fact it is chambered above .44. Those carbines do sound pretty cool
If you want a really weird thing done with an m1 carbine search for the Iver Johnson Pm9. Its an M1 carbine turned into an Uzi type gun. There is 1 picture of it.
I recall a AK modified to fire 45-70s and we all know about 458 SOCOM AR's. But I suspect it might be easier to modify a FN-FAL to a .458 win mag.
How many rounds does it hold?
Just googled "Forgotten Weapons Bigot" to find the 1911 dart gun video, all good search results. Keep it up! :D
Edward Kenway will be happy if he sees this
We can always count on Mr. McCollum to find the crazyest stuff around
20th Century blowgun
No no, dude. You're supposed to *inhale* not blow.
The batman and joker reference is right where i went when you showed that it had a "rifle" configuration. :-P wonky as hell, but a great forgotten weapon.
First for the first time. I wait every morning for you to post so I can have my coffee.
Nope, lost by 1 second lol.
Two'rst. :P
Dang
The loading tool is to push the base of the dart slightly more than flush into the breach end of the barrel. That way you are sure the seal is seated properly
If the valve is on the bottom of the barrel the fins on the back of the dart would be obstructing the flow.
I've mentioned this before but my grandfather and his brother both were members of the OSS and later CIA. My grandpa has a whole room of different things that they made and utilized. I mean anything they could think of they made. They went through old comic books to get ideas. Many of these items my grandfather would rent out to movie production companies or other people looking to create movie props from these things that were made. My grandfather actually became a consultant on many movies in the 80s.. I used to love going to my grandfather's house who had two rooms one filled with all this cool stuff from his OSS and CIA days and Sting's from World War II. Any other room he has a bunch of. But now my grandfather passed away about 7 years ago. But before he died from wounds of being attacked by a cougar. He had a thing for younger women. He met some woman and let her move into the house. This woman had a son who was a methamphetamine addict. For all I know she was probably also. But my grandpa would have never probably realize this because he was in his 80s coming up on his 90s. But this lady son would steal things from my grandfather's artifact rooms and sell them so he could Supply his habit. I was living in Washington DC when it started. by the time I got back from Washington State and got my hands on this guy. All the stuff had been sold on eBay and a lot of it sold people local. so I was able to track down some of it and get it back. But everything that was sold on eBay which was most of it will probably be gone forever. I'm sure all that stuff went for dirt cheap to because when I was able to track this guy down which was by answering an ad of a guy selling arrowheads. he was selling these arrowheads my grandfather had in these cases that were very very old and worth a lot of money. he was trying to sell me the whole case for $30. But instead of course he got a serious beat down and his wife was seriously in Jeopardy until he helped get back all the stuff he's sold locally. That most of the old OSS spy gadgets where sold on eBay and to never be recovered. We did find this really cool saying that wasn't an OSS Gadget. But my grandfather would use it. It was this device that's strapped to your forearm. It was spring loaded and you could fit a derringer. you would activate the lover and the Derringer would go from your forearm that was concealed inside your coat right up into your hand. It's really cool I wish you could find one of these devices and do a review. I can never get the thing to work quite properly but I remember my grandfather showing me how it worked. I remember my grandfather also loan that one out to a movie company. But I never seen a movie where this was used. but my grandfather told me they used it in a popular western movie in the 80s. But I've you got to know what that movie is but it was a cool device made for Derringer that pushed it from your forearm to your hand being spring loaded. I remember my grandfather telling me that his device was authentic and made in the 1800's.
Watch the 60s western TV show The Wild Wild West the star carries a spring loaded Derringer.
This should be handy when I'm looking for work as a mechanic in Enemy Zone.
The gun itself was the easiest part in the equation. Every other part of having an effective and practical weapon on field operatives just was infeasible. Like even when you have the poison, having it ready for shooting and not dangerous to the user seems so extremely inconvenient. But I think this would make a fantastic remote instant soda maker! Just shoot the glass with a co2 injector from 100 meters. Think about all the applications.
But I'd love something like this with somewhat regular darts and to use it for darts competition with friends.
I think the OSS needs to make a comeback. America needs heroes right now
Wild Bill. Made one hell of an omelette for sure. No doubt about it and he was cooking and serving when the entire world was hungry.
Whats that? Oh hell no! I'm not cleaning the kitchen after him!
This belongs in a museum.
I'm guessing it's gonna go for a crazy price! Mucho cool, just what the FSB is looking for.
The dart is shoved into the barrel with the load tool putting the seal past the joint.... This way you put on barrel and gore the seal does not get ripped by the join point and there is c expansion room as is a fairly heavy projectile it is cushioned abs accelerated slower
You know it's bizarre when Ian uses the phrase "I'm not making this up!"
They didn't call him "Wild Bill Donavan" for nothing. HAHAHA There are a couple of books on that man that will leave you impressed and sometimes laughing. Would have loved to be his friend. Never a dull moment.
The loading tool is for the co2 cans. To puncture the little foil flaps on them
Marine commando were given metal crossbows and collapsible metal long bows with piano wire draw strings which could be double detailed as Garrotes. the arrows were metal shafts fletched with sharp metal veins. I have handled both and my late father-in -law (ex ww11 Special forces) told me of their various deployments, The Germans developed a small conventional seeming bullet with small holes drilled into them .these were then filled with syringes containing Cyclone B poison or other nasty poisons sealed with glycerine which melted in flesh releasing the poison .the Reds also deployed these and as late as 1970s used them to bump of embarrassing objectors and their families.
The Loading tool could be used for when you put the dart in the firing chamber and to push the barrel over it that way if the gun did go off it would not push the dart through your hand
Not going to lie the OSS sounds like a pretty fucking neat organization.