Every Gun in "Dr. No" is Wrong
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Today Caleb Daniels, author of "Licensed Troubleshooter", joins me to talk about the guns shown in Dr. No, the very first James Bond film. Somehow, the film manages to get every single gun detail wrong - sometimes with nested errors within errors. Even Bond's iconic Walther PPK never actually appears in the film! And yet, it remains a great film...so what were all the gun nerd quibbles with it?
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I know, its hilarious.
This video just made me spend almost $600 on Kickstarter. $250 on the Cinematic Collector’s Edition and the rest on Small Arms of WWII: USA & Soviet Union editions, and Rifles on The Danube.
Damn you!!!
That kid wasn't even born when first Bond films were made.😉
Fun Fact: The posters of Sean Connery where the pistol's barrel is longer than usual, were shot with a Walther style airgun, because someone forgot the actual prop Walther.
Walther LP-53
Shore Leave explaining this and Brock being absolutely devastated is one of my favourite scenes from Venture Bros.
Another fun fact. There used to be a guy/company that made conversion kits for that particular Walther, which would allow you to swap it over to a .22 rimfire. I ran into a fella who was selling the conversions at a gun show back in the late 90's. Weird things, and badly balanced. I can't imagine they're still around or that too many of the converted firearms still exist, except as paperweights.
Thought to make it look bigger, badder
There was art painted with with what looked like a Walther P38 with a very long barrel. That gun did not exist, but it looked cool in the painting. I heard rumors that someone had a a barrel built for a P38 that had an extra long barrel. It worked, but was functionally ridiculous without a stock.
FN: "I'm the gun playing the gun disguised as another gun!"
😂good morning sir
I'm a gun disguised as a gun playing another gun!
Dude!
I think I may be nobody…
As long as you never go full hi power.
What's best about this video is that they are not damning the movie for its inaccurate weapons, shooting, but celebrating how it's still entertaining and a classic.
Good topic for "Scott Prop and Roll". Directors back then often didn't take props and continuity very seriously. Back in 1962, a lot of people had been at war, so they actually noticed the gun problems more than we do now. But they also probably had a big dose of "it's a movie".
And it's ironic that this video is about all the things wrong with Dr no, yet Ian was wrong when he said Dr no is the first bond film. But it wasn't, casino royal was.
@@johnm3907Uh what? Dr. No was the first ever film featuring James Bond and it came out in 1962. The non-Eon Casino Royale didn't come out until 1967. Casino Royale was the first Bond novel, but Dr. No was the first Bond film.
@its_clean casino royale came out in 54. Was an hour long film made for TV. Not the one in 60s.
Yes. What's worse is making fun of a movie for not using something that's difficult to impossible to obtain. One that comes to mind involves tanks in a WW2 movie shot in the 60s or 70s. Yeah, WW2 tanks were available but the film had large battle scenes with multiple tanks. They shot it in some country that supplied a bunch of tanks and crews in active service.
Honestly, for the 1960s, "We got you a Beretta something and a Walther something" is pretty decent. The standards of the day went something like this:
Production: "We need a Panzer IV Ausf G with skirts".
Props (good day): "We got you a tank."
Props (bad day): "Well.... we've got a car and lots of cardboard and twenty quid left in the budget, so..."
Ah yes, the glorious days of M-47 tanks standing in for fucking everything.
@@FirstMetalHamster And M3 half tracks playing every German half track with various amounts of wood to hide their shape.
Bottom line: the viewing audience were not experts - even the readers - and errors in filming or even technical issues in the novels. They were thrilling entertainment!
Then along comes the internet, experts etc. and we all know where this went ... 😁
@@KX36 Also hogan's heroes with the M7 Priest as Tiger.
@@alantheinquirer7658 You know, I really enjoyed the SAS show, they even tried to imitate the original photos, but then they shit the bed in the last episode with the "german tank".
Now, Bond's "hold the wrist" like that *was* a commonly taught technique of the era, right along side the "lay the strong side forearm across the weak side forearm as a rest" was common and official.
For pistols. I still practiced "teacup and saucer" even as a gun person when I was a kid. For anyone just getting into the hobby, modern gun theory is to create tension. Basically push the gun forward with the arm holding the grip and pull with the other hand in front of the first. The dynamic tension is for recoil control. Because in real-world scenarios, you never down a target with one shot, so you expect to have to control recoil and follow up. Aka "don't stop shooting until the bad guy stop moving".
I remember, from decades ago, getting a box of 1/35 Tamiya infantry, and the box art showed an officer firinig a P-08 Luger in a two-handed grip, with the left hand under the butt of the Luger supporting it, with both arms bent, and neither arm braced on anything; it looked like the absolutely worst possible shooting grip you could take, and the only reason I could think of for posing the figure that way was to make it take up less space on the montage of the various figures shown on the box. It goes to show how artistic decisions can jerk over proper use of a weapon.
Agree. As a NCO in the Belgian Army in the 80'S, that's how we were told to shoot the Browning Hi-power.
@@KevinJDildonikWow, that is a really sweeping change in tactical doctrine. Very interesting.
I think a lot of the old techniques were designed for revolvers where you could blow your fingers off on the non-shooting hand if they are in the wrong place, so some techniques put that hand further back.
You forgot the bad guys on the boat trying to flush out Bond & co. from where they're hiding on the beach by strafing the sand with a Bren Gun... and the Bren's magazine is very clearly loaded into the gun backwards.
clearly it was a Bren made by H&K
It just works better that way
Naval version.
Obviously they knew that the blunt end of the bullets hurts more.
Ian Fleming: *Writes Bond using a Beretta 418 in .25 acp*
Boothroyd: *Writes Fleming telling him to get rid of that sissy pistol and get a real gun in the Walther PPK in .32 acp*
I understood that reference.
"Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel-plated sissy pistol."
Bond's use of the PPK came from a fan letter Fleming received suggesting the PPK would be more suitable for Bond's line of work. Fleming named Boothroyd after the fan.
And yet the film launched an enormously successful franchise. Now, image if the fe.ale lead was spoken of as buxom and the camera showed a flat chest. Kind of shows the relative importance of gats and boobs in film.
I understood that US Marshals reference.
Well, technically Boothroyd never recommended the PPK, that was a decision Fleming made after Boothroyd criticized the Beretta. Bond could’ve had a very different handgun! All covered in our book! 📖
Speaking of changes the film makers made to the early James Bond movies that were an improvement over the novels, the biggest for me was that Goldfinger wasn't ACTUALLY going to steal the gold from Fort Knox, but instead contaminate it for 100 years with a dirty atomic bomb, thereby making his gold more valuable. Brilliant!
Definitely one of the finest additions to the franchise, and a fitting one to point out, as today marks 60 years of GOLDFINGER!
At least Ft. Knox still had the gold even if it was contaminated. Now we don't even know if it's even there in real life.
I find no improvements over the novels in any of the films.
Except that in the economic chaos and panic after a nuclear explosion in a populated region of the U.S., would there be any demand for gold at all? People might be more interested in hording food and antibiotics than bullion.
@@alanrogs3990 IN general, I agree.
James Bond obviously knew there were more rounds left in the gun. He was using super secret, psychological warfare, reverse psychology on the assassin. It's a bit like Obi Wan's "these are not the droids you're looking for".
"Did I fire 6 shots, or only 5?"
@@jimmyrustler8983I’m not a punk, so do I have to feel lucky or not?
@@Justanotherconsumer I think so.
It's a little bit like all those WWII movies where the Wehrmacht is equipped with M-48 tanks and the fighter aircraft are all T6s, only with different markings...
While getting appropriate tanks and aircraft may be quite difficult, getting mass-produced guns like the Beretta or Walther definitely isn't...
Yeah, particularly when they are actively in production at the time of filming. The early Bond films were even before Britain's crackdown on private gun ownership, too, so it was even easier to get ahold of stuff like that
Or the enemy in Top Gun flying Northrop F5's
@@DjDolHaus86Ah yes, the “MIG 28s” used by the (not) Iranians in that movie always made me chuckle. At least in Maverick they used CGI SU 57 models, even if they did just call them “next gen fighters”
Plenty of WW2 movies of the day where the Wehrmacht & SS used Browning 30 & 50 cals as standins for MG34 & 42 - plus almost every German solider had an MP40!
@@unlimitedricepudding7826 Ahh that's who they were supposed to be. I haven't seen the film in a long time and couldn't remember which nation they were supposed to be but I remember it was intentionally unspecific
On casting, according to Fleming, when writing the character, he envisaged Hoaghy Carmichael. When it came to making the film, he wanted David Niven. He also apparently promised his cousin, Christopher Lee, that he'd recommend him for the Dr No Villain role...and apparently completely forgot about it 😂😂 Incidentally, Christopher Lee's war time secret service record was even more impressive than Flemings....Connery was no slouch either on the action front. He once tangled with a bona fide Mafia enforcer, Johnny Stompanato, who was dating Hollywood actress Lana Turner. In 1957 Stompanato visited Turner in London, where she was filming Another Time, Another Place, co-starring Connery. Stompanato became suspicious when Turner would not allow him to visit the set and, during one fight, he violently choked her. To avoid further confrontation, Turner and her makeup artist, Del Armstrong, called Scotland Yard in order to have Stompanato deported. Stompanato got wind of the plan and showed up on the set with a gun, threatening her and Connery. Connery answered by grabbing the gun out of Stompanato's hand and twisting his wrist, causing him to run off the set. Turner and Armstrong later returned with two Scotland Yard detectives to the rented house where she and Stompanato were staying. The detectives advised Stompanato to leave and escorted him out of the house and to the airport, where he boarded a plane back to the U.S.
And Niven did get to play Bond in the '67 comedy version of Casino Royale plus Lee did get to play a Bond villain so It could be said both were fulfilled just not the way initially intended.
And the finale for Stompanato came from Lana Turner's daughter who stabbed him to death protecting her mother from his beating...it was ruled as justifiable homicide.
Connery was considered too big for the role. Back Then steroids weren't commonly available. Connery was a bodybuilder, and many thought he was freakishly muscled. But his excellent accent and physical threat won over the casting crew.
@@KevinJDildonik The bit I always found implausible about Bond was that he was supposed to be a 'Secret' agent, yet the first thing he does is tell a room full of strangers his REAL NAME 😂😂 And often drives the MOST CONSPICUOUS CAR available 😂😂😂😂
@@thechancellor3715 Correct. Ironically I'd read up about Johnny a few months ago, and then at the weekend saw LA Confidential, in which he's briefly shown as a police informer...Kudos to Lana's girl though. He was a class A scum-bag.
"The American CIA swear by them"
Good that he distinguished that, we wouldn't want to get them confused with the Non American CIAs.
Wouldn't want to get confused with the Cardiff International Arena in Wales.
Or the Culinary Institute of America
To be fair, there _is_ a Korean CIA too, modeled on ours. They're usually called the KCIA, and it would be understood "CIA" referred to the original successor organization to the OSS.
The line is awkward for anyone in the intelligence world, but it's probably for the audience's benefit, written at a time when people didn't know as much about the organization.
And also in fairness, the book was written in 1958, movie comes out in 1962. The CIA wasn't exactly a well known entity at the time.
The CIA are just the specific Yanks he was talking about, that's a minor distinction.
I saw Dr. No as a small child...and had noticed some of the guns changing scene to scene but thought I must have been imagining it. Thank you very much for the clarification...and i feel better now knowing I wasn't totally crazy as a kid.
You still may have been, just not about this ;)
I feel like if you paid attention to that as a kid, you were halfway there.
He didn’t spend 5 years at negative medical school to be criticized by future computer man. Thank you very much.
😂
I’d say nein years, not merely five.
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Oh God, no. You can't just hand someone Walther's P P! That's indecent!
Walthuuuh put your PP away!
Traditionally you have to buy them dinner first.
I once experienced a slam-fire from a Berettta 418 with a cosmoline caked-up firing pin. I felt shaken, but not stirred. 😏
Getting that effect from a Martini-Henry is sadly impossible.
Not funnypenny .
But the dangerously radioactive Rolex is 100% accurate.
Radium-dial wristwatches weren't radioactive enough to be dangerous to their owners. The people who painted the dials, on the other hand...
*holds gun level with floor, single hand at waist height*
We meet again, Mr McCollum. Let me tell you about my plan so you may foil it.
Silly in the scenarios where it's played, but you can absolutely get precise with that. I wondered if cowboy repeater quick-draw people were real and tried it myself. I could reliably hit a soda can at 10 yards from the hip, if I kept my practice up. For threatening a guy who's in the same room, that's plenty.
@@KevinJDildonik A bunch of guys like Fairburn and Applegate often suggested it, it makes it way harder for a dude to lunge at your gun in close quarters.
The FN was obviously the PP's stunt double.
Guns of John Matrix during the raid on Val Verde needs a review video ! 🙏🏻
🤣🤣🤣 "let off some steam, bennet!"
If I remember correctly, Fleming used a berreta in the books because it was his side arm during the war. There was a firearms expert called major boothroyd who sent him a letter complaining about his choice of firearm. He said it was a gun for a lady and not a nice lady at that. The major suggested that bond use the walther ppk and Fleming agreed to change it. Major Bothroyd is also the name of Q in the books.
Geoffrey Boothroyd was also an author with a number of books on firearms.
These little pocket pistols are so...goofy.
Having him carry a Hi Power would make _much_ more sense, but historically Bond only ever occasionally does so, which is a shame because it's probably his most practical sidearm, after his modern usage of the P99 and P226.
@@johnanon6938 I imagine the books had titles like "That fruity little Italian pistol makes you look like a British Cigarette" and "That fruity little Italian pistol STILL makes you look like a British Cigarette".
Not really, but it sounds funny.
Found an interview somewhere on RUclips with Boothroyd about his interaction with Fleming. He actually wanted Bond to carry a Revolver - they settled on the Walther! I think it was part of the promotional for the film Dr. No.
it is said the Flemming had a Baby Browning. but he could also have used the Berreta .
My favorite quote regarding the PPK is from Goldeneye: "Walter PPK, 7.65 millimeter. Only three men I know use such a gun. I believe I've killed two of them."
I have fired the model of Beretta mentioned in the movie, and it may be because the gun was older and maybe tired mechanically, but it went like M said. I fired two rounds, jam, clear jam, fire, jam... Reload fresh magazine, a refurbished magazine, fire 1 round, jam, clear, fire 3, jams again.
The only other pistol that ever gave me that much grief was a Beretta .22
Would have loved to try a PPK, maybe in the future.
They behaved that way on the Camp Perry range too. :)
Just my 2 cents. I've put quite a few rounds through PPK's and never had a single jam. Very nice little firearms but you better make sure you don't have big hands and if you do keep the web of your thumb very very clear of the slide, it will bite a chunk out of your hand. A mistake you only make once, lol.
Bond gun was originally skeletonized his gun for concealment, aka removing the grips. Neat idea from Fleming, but also a nightmare for reliability. Skeletonized guns are much better as a weapon of last resort. Like this is a suicide mission and if you draw you're dead, so here's half a gun, try to take some of them out if you can.
Did you feel like Bond when you did it :)
@@mikgus No I felt like i was handed a defective pop gun. Thing even feels fragile.
7:54
Funnily enough, Dent’s 1917 does lock open in his hand after ventilating the blanket. But then, when Bond feigns ignorance, and Dent starts to slowly pull the blanket with the gun towards himself, the 1917 is locked back, to preserve the intrigue, I guess. Yet another gun mistake.
Ironically in the book Dr. No, Bond doesn't even use the PPK. Boothroyd offers him the PPK and a revolver (can't remember what) and Bond actually chooses the revolver. Later on in the book when they're facing the "dragon" the revolver get gunked up with mud and Bond realizes he made the wrong choice.
Boothrroyd also issued Bond a S&W Airweight. He said to keep down on size and weight it only holds 5 rounds --- but by the time they're gone, somebodys been killed. By the way, The Boothroyd character is inspired by Geoffrey Boothroyd, a real life firearms expert who gave Fleming firearm advice.
Fractally wrong. Wrong details containing more, smaller, wrong details.
Wrongception! 😄
We didn't notice the gun mishaps because of Ursala
Ursula - from latin Ursus ( Bear) , in Switzerland, where Ursula Andreas comes from, Urs is in german part a common mens name.
@@brittakriep2938 Thanks for the history, I was just thinking of a hot blonde lady in a little bikini
@@liambrooks2330 : Well, in 1962 Ursula Andress was a realy impressive Beauty. Perhaps 20 years ago i watched a german language movie from Switzerland ( i am german) , was surprised how sexy she looked even with perhaps over 60. Sidenote: I am Brittas boyfriend, only using her Computer too. Born 1965, so basicly an old fart/ sac. Now i see female Beauty different than fourty years ago. Slim Body? Big tits? No! Nice welldressed ladies are now my taste.
Fun vehicle fact, that's not actually a jeep masquerading as a tank masquerading as a dragon, it's a bunch of snowcats taped together.
Reminds me of that line from Die Hard 2 about the Glock “7”. You know the “Porcelain” gun made in “Germany” that gets through metal detectors and cost more than a cop makes in a month (hopefully that last part is not true lol).
If Glock were more adept at marketing, they'd have already made it- like a Franklin Mint commemorative plate, something to hang on your wall for people to look quizzically at.
That was part of the anti-gun propaganda being not so subtly inserted into every Hollywood production since the 60s.
While I don’t disagree with that, I think that line was beneficial to Glocks marketing. There was no internet back then, and someone couldn’t just casually research it. However, I’m sure many people who wanted to buy their first gun ended up asking gun store employees whether or not that was true, and ended up being introduced to Glocks.
@@restey5979 Its die hard, I don't think its that deep. It really seems like it was just included because it was cool
@@tomgarrett7740Several guns and outdoors magazines were published and sold everywhere. I had advanced gun knowledge pre-internet and I'm not even from the US.
Just got done with a bond movie escapade. Perfect timing Ian!
The main issue with Dr No was that no one thought the movie would succeed. The studio had to beg, borrow, or steal what they they needed. That would include the weapons. Great video to watch.
So the story behind the supressor is as follows, as this has been told by the weapon advisor for the movie. This story was told in an old Discovery Channel docu called something like "Searching for the Real James Bond". Because the thread to screw on a supressor was so thin (and short), the weapon advisor decided to put a rod on the supressor so it could go into the barrel. Fun fact about that dvisor, he was in the SAS in WW2 and he was part of the vengeance squad that hunted for Nazxi's responsible for the massacre of SAS men in the Vosges Mountains during operation Loyton.
Though it was easy to get a suppressed barrel for the FN1910 as you could just install the long barrel of the FN1922 in the 1910. The protruding barrel gave plenty of length to add threads. Not that it's all that easy to add threads to a gun barrel that is generally heat treated to the highest hardness.
The walther's barrel was, by comparison, fixed.
@@Treblaine which I assume was not available, so they fixed it that way, I think. But still a great piece of extra info there. Thank you
@@Treblaine Gun barrels are not hardened, they are quite soft. A hard barrel would crack.
That's an interesting nugget of information. I dunno if it will ever have any practical use. But, I feel at least a tiny bit smarter for knowing it. Much appreciated.
"No one will notice, it's not as if they have the ability to pause the film..."
As a former heavy truck mechanic, my favorite stretch was in (I think) A View to a Kill when Timothy Dalton does a wheely with a tandem trailer truck. All eight of the drive wheels stay on the ground and the truck frame pivots up on its Hendrickson walking beam suspension. After seeing that, I just silently vowed to thereafter suspend all disbelief with Bond films. This came in handy years later when Pierce Brosnan and Michelle Yeoh in Tomorrow Never Dies are being chased down an alley by a helicopter with its nose pointing at the ground. Gravity and force vectors got the royal bird flipped at them on that one!
Licence to Kill
I've not been following the films for as long as you, but I _do_ remember yelling "Oh fuck off!" at the TV when Bond shoots down a helicopter, at night, while on a boat, with his PPk in _Spectre._ God that was an abysmal movie.
The wheelie was dumb but the Bond edition KW truck was sharp looking.
I thought that paint scheme would look even better in black and gold.
I don't remember how many of them they made but you could actually buy the Bond edition truck.
I think you got every option that came in the V.I.T. package and a few more.
@@AJadedLizardand then when he runs out of ammo he just casually tosses the pistol away. Christ. Doesn't matter what mindset he's in, it's still Her Majesty's property. Worse, it's the second fucking movie he does that in!
I'm into electronics, there it is even worse in movies. Wrong radios at wrong frequencies without antennas, oscilloscopes with signals that have no function, walls with useless blinking lights without any label, once they placed a scope upside down. Cars is also funny, like damage that miraculous disappears between scenes etc. So thanks, now I have something else to look for too in movies 🙂
I've been into computer since I was like 10, and work in IT. Pretty much any scene in anything involving computers makes me cringe and have done so for over 30 years.
Foley gets it wrong too. Every firearm sounds the same in any environment, the wrong sound for planes (the movie Airplane purposely does it for those in the know) and the sound of horse hooves are the same on every surface.
@@orlock20 And knives and fists do not make the sounds you here in movies. Many sounds are added later in production.
@@orlock20 If you've ever played the original Time Crisis you'll hear an interesting aversion whenever you shoot. Your gun's report will sound different depending on if you're indoors in tight quarters, in a larger indoor area, or outdoors. Didn't carry over to other games, and your enemies' sounds didn't change with the environment, but it's a nice polished facet from the original.
Fun fact: The speargun that Bond uses to impale a baddy onto a tree in Dr No is a La Spirotechnique Jaguar. The company and speargun were developed by Jacques Cousteau, and the guns were usually pressurised from 12-14 ft/lbs.
Some sidenotes from West Germany. Uniformed german policemen had PPs sometimes up to 1982/ 83. From late 70s into 1990s civilian dressed police officers, especially female ones sometimes still had been armed with PPK in 7,65/ .32. The reason: Compact or subcompact 9mm Luger pistols had been non existing/ being rare, so in some kind of dress, or at summer, a PPK was easier to hide/ conceal. PPKs had then also in german Bundeswehr been used. By pilots, and soldiers in civilian dress ( Military Police, miltary intelligence, couriers and socalled Wallmeister, as far as i know). In 1950s/ 1960s female detectives, small number, but in contrast to 1920s to 1940s regular detectives, had been armed only with 6,35/.25 pistols, at very first sometimes only with 8mm blankpistols, firing teargas cartidges.
East Germany had the Makarov. A soviet 9.2mm version of the Walther. The Makarov has had a renaissance lately, but basically - the Walther has 40+ parts, the Makarov closer to 23. The Makarov can be field stripped and cleaned with zero tools. You can literally just pull back and lift the slide for daily maintenance. So Walther-style guns really were common for all sorts of police and agents at the time, and it is a fine choice for Bond.
The Wallmeister - if that Highway bridge needs to become a rubble heap by noon...
Mostly because the PP was designed originally as a police pistol and the PPK as the police pistol f0r undercover police. their wartime service was largely due to availability.
The PPk saw use during the War as well, it was an acceptable sidearm for all branches alongside the P.38 and was also given out to loyal members of the Party (being used in one of history's most famous uninstalls as a result). It's not a terrible CCW but I wouldn't want it to be my main duty gun, either as a cop or wet work specialist. Never understood why Bond didn't carry a detective-model Hi Power: low profile, reliable, accurate, and a 13 round magazine.
Boothroyd is in fact named after a fan who wrote Ian Fleming a letter explaining that the PPK would be a better fit for Bond's line of work instead of the Beretta he had been using.
He is! But Boothroyd never recommended the PPK! He had other ideas!
Geoffrey Boothroyd was a firearms expert with several books on firearms to his name. Search YT for the video "The Guns of James Bond" came out in 1964 and he clearly says Ian picked the PPK, also some other very interesting info including what he thought of Eugene Stoner's lightweight survival rifle (sorry not AR-15).
2 of my favorite things, James Bond and Forgotten Weapons
This was way more interesting than I thought it was going to be at first. Thanks.
I grew up with the Brosnan Bond so it’s refreshing to go over the classics
I grew up with Dalton and rewatched them all with my Dad multiple, multiple times. Brosnan and Connery are by far the best Bonds. So many little bits Brosnan did were improv.
I had never watched the old ones from the 20th century and after I watched the spy who loved me in March I started watching them all. I only have a few more left to watch
@@cardboardcapeii4286 Enjoy them! They are great films. I was never a fan at all of Roger Moore but they are all still good
@@cardboardcapeii4286 "The Spy Who Loved Me" was the first Bond I ever saw, aged 10 in 1990. It's still my favourite. As a kid I was all about the gadgets, so the Lotus Esprit blew my mind. And, even at such an early age I was quite taken with Barbara Bach aka Agent XXX. Glad you're enjoying the Bond films!
@@afd19850 The Moore Era was too slap stick. One villain flew up the roof and exploded while making a deflating balloon sound. Bond was literally in a clown costume, defusing a nuke. I really enjoyed Moon Raker, but it jumps the shark into orbit. That said, any of those were better than SPECTRE or Quantum Of Solace.
Not just Dr. No, but in other films as well. The .22LR AR-7 is chambered in .25 ACP for Bond in From Russia With Love. STILL really, cool, though. The movies are always a fun time! I still think that Goldfinger is my favorite. 🙂
Thought Q just improved it
It's also described as a "folding sniper's rifle", when it is demonstrably not two of those things, and only barely the third. :)
LOL, when I was a kid I first saw this in TV. I asked my dad why they kept changing guns. He looked at me and grinned he was surprised. All these years I thought I was wrong!
Glad that you mad this video Ian.
After going through the IMFDB page of _Dr. No,_ I found it hilarious that every gun mentioned by name is not the same as the one shown on screen.
The Handguard-less AR-18 from the opening sequence of Tomorrow Never Dies has always stuck out to me
Get this: that was supposed to be a folding AR-18 with an extending barrel, but we never got to see it do its Hotchkiss trick because that was, apparently, a bit unrealistic for a Bond movie.
"Unrealistic for a James Bond film" may be the six most useless words in all of cinema.
"like a brick through a plate glass window" one of my favorites even though it is absolutely WRONG
"That damned Beretter again."
Fun fact: that happens in UK Received Pronunciation when one word ends with an A and the next word starts with one. It's why, for example, BBC car-show presenters say "Honda Civic", but "Honder Accord". Without that "again" there, M would have pronounced it normally, as he does later in the scene, when he tells Bond to, "Just leave the Beretta."
That FN pistol is the equivalent to:
"I'm a dude, playing a dude, disguiiiiiised as another dude!"
minor nitpick, but Casino Royale was the first Bond story put to film, though it was for TV.
Also done with David Niven and Woody Allen.
@@ken481959 no, that was a completely different version, and done after the movies were well along, and a spoof besides.
@@ken481959 Don't forget Peter Sellers, William Holden, Ursula Andress in the 1967 version which was best one too. Yes I know I'm in the minority and some people will argue oh but its a parody. On the other hand most fans won't recall the first 1954 version OP mentions which was made for TV by Ian Fleming, so there is that.
Ah yes, the Walther PP. It's .380 caliber, with a delivery like a rock through a china vase. The American CIA acknowledges they exist.
As long as it's the American CIA and not some other one 🙄
@@AdamSWL But of course. The Finnish CIA wouldn't be caught dead with one, for example.
As a person who worked on movies for short number of years, I can say that producers and directors really aren't too interested in accuracy. What they're interested in is the emotional message of the film, and to them one gun looks like another. They didn't envision DVD nor bluray technology much less HD TVs when they shot those films.
I worked with Spielbergs nephew some years ago, and according to him Bond is actually a psychopath, which is why he makes his glib comments ... in the opening of Goldfinger he electrocutes an assailant and says "Shocking." as a psychopath might say as a joke. That scene forshadows Odd Jobs death at Fort Knox. "Just a drop in the ocean" his glib comment in "You Only Live Twice" and so forth ... he acts as a paranoid as psychopaths do ... but the production team gives him humanitarian moments where he sympathizes with some of the characters, which a real psychopath would not do, but would not sit well with the audience.
It's kind of the reason Connery was cast as Doctor Jones in "Last Crusade", to show a transition from one kind of agent to another, one that was daring but had a little more normal psychology, but was not that familiar with fire arms other than what he owned.
Personally I thought Connery's Bond was just a tough guy when I watched them in my younger years, but ... apparently that's not quite the case.
I wouldn't say psychopath. Its just british dark humour mixed with the fact that those generations were much more accustomed to death and violence. I mean ca 1950 when a racetrack had a crash with 20 fatalities, it meant a yellow flag, and they still finished the race.
Just 20-30yrs later nobody would think of that, and it would be declared a disaster zone.
The world war made people cold towards death and pain. And as I said before, the british have some funny funny senses of humour, then it all adds up.
@@mjfan653 Gallows humour.
If you've spent a good deal of your life dealing with death, you quickly learn to look at it from a different perspective. 👍
@@mjfan653 Yeah, from what I know of Bond, especially between the books I've read and the movies I've seen, Bond's deal is that he feels a _lot,_ but he can't afford to because of the nature of his job, and that makes him melancholic. He tries to drown it in alcohol (the "shaken, not stirred" remark about his martinis is less that he wants a more or less watery martini, and far more because he wants a martini _NOW_ and shaking one makes a cold one faster than stirring) and disguise it with a glib attitude, and he does it well enough because he's a professional spy, but we're always there with him when the dam cracks. He'd much rather you think he was a cold psychopath because maybe you'd be less inclined to start something with him, perhaps.
you would have to be a psychopath to work as an assassin aka double Oh
To all; well, you can certainly identify the British dry wit flavor, but Connery's character comments on Colonel Bouvier's stupid moves in the opening of Thunderball, as a psychopath would. Lacks reaction when Ursula Andre's character gets taken away to be "taken advantage of" in Doctor No, and lots of other similar moments throughout the series.
Films are guarded because there's a belief that someone unscrupulous male will make a socially negative film that will promote bigotry of all forms. The idea or concern is that on a visual level human beings communicate on various levels interpersonally with body language and tone of voice and so forth.
Working on movies could be fun, but there's a lot of scoff-lawing to keep straight laced people out. When I watch the Connery era Bond films now I understand them a whole lot better than I used to. From Bond to all of the cop shows on TV ... one gets a better sense of what that line of work is all about, and who they pick for those jobs.
Oh well. I enjoy the Forgotten Weapons' channel as a historical engineering insight.
I don’t see any martinis being mentioned, the best firearm accessory
The vodka order is also made clear in the books, Bond is an alcoholic. The drink is shaken so it's served fast and cold, so he can get back to the gambling.
I thought the Martini was a rifle?
@@KevinJDildonik To be fair, if you had his job, you'd probably be an alcoholic too.
I always enjoy your videos. The audio in this one wasn't up to your usual standard.
Fleming was issued in WWII, a Browning .25, the serial number matches a Colt 1908, however it could have been a FN 1906, .25 with a matching serial number . The gun became a part of Fleming's estate. Note : Fleming possibly snuck it out of the office, just as Bond tried to sneak out with his beloved Beretta, under M watchful eye ...
The irony of getting every gun shot wrong in a movie titled _Dr. No_ is epic.
We need George Lucas to cgi in the correct guns. And some Ewoks.
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Ewoks = Fun-sized Wookies.
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Honestly, there are some Bond films to which both of those things would be indisputable improvements. Maybe not _Dr. No,_ but some of them...
I think the real question is what are Caleb’s thoughts on the N64 Goldeneye pause screen music. Objectively the hardest anyone has ever gone for a pause screen.
Why - out of all the possible fictional firearms - is there a Fallout 3 SMG on Ians shirt?
judging by the April Fools video where he reviewed a Fallout 3 Chinese Assault Rifle, I think Ian may just enjoy Fallout.
Woah, that's surreal.
Y’all’s appearance on Art & War was such a fun show. So glad to hear both of y’all on with those guys. And Caleb for the second time!
I'm a Walther collector and it irks me every time a Walter (particularly PPKs) gets misrepresented in films.
Working in film, I know that things get lost in the enormous amount of details you have to prep for.
On one, they added a shot that took them a few hours across the border. Last minute, the armorer realised he was lacking some legal paper for crossing, so I gave them an old airsoft I had - a S&W instead of a Beretta, not really the same color.
Worked, and nobody has ever commented on it.
Sean Connery was a champion bodybuilder. He placed 3rd in his division to win Mr. Universe.
The "Scott Prop and Roll" channel has talked a lot about old movies taking huge liberties with props because you'd only see it in a flash at the movies. Once home recording and VHS/Betamax sales became a thing, the studios slowly realized "oh crud, you can pause on any frame, this looks bad" so they transitioned to using better quality props.
This is a 1962 movie made eight years before the invention of the videocassette. Stand in guns were good enough when no one was going to hit pause.
Other film makers managed to future proof their movies better
@@joshuaprietophoto and many others with bigger budgets did far worse. The Soviet sniper rifle in the Manchurian Candidate that's a Japanese Carbine.And the long ljst of errors in The Comancheros.
They aren’t angry, they’re amused. good stuff.
The only thing I really need to know is, where Ian buys his shirts.
Third row, lower shelf right next to the shower curtains.
And in the posters for "From Russia with Love" the pistol is a Walther LP53. It's a single shot .177 air gun. I have one.
8:20 - Supposedly in this scene the gun was originally going to be an S&W revolver, but was changed or not procured in time, I forget the details.
And bond shot back 6 times but was edited
"A Colt 1911. Seven's unlucky for some." *THWACK*
To be honest, all that trivia are just fun.
On a total different franchise, the "Greedo Killer" - like three seconds on screen, but a conversation piece on conventions.
I knew about the 1911 in the dragon scene (noticed that as a teenager watching it on TV in the early eighties) but I never noticed the browning hi power! Useless fact I've learnt today! Lol 😂
*Still love the movie!
You guys don't understand, this is James Bond we're talking about. Q gave him a new sidearm that was a technical marvel, as it could transform into whatever kind of gun he needed at the time. If he needed more stopping power it transformed into a .45 1911. If he was running low on ammo he could transform it into a Hi-Power. And for better concealment or to fit a silencer it could also transform into a Walther or FN. By contrast his old Beretta could only transform into another Beretta.
As for the assassin, it started out as a Smith & Wesson, but then he accidentally transformed it into a 1911... and it jammed.
What I’ve never understood: you have a field agent who’s about to go out on assignment and you take away the gun he’s carried for some time, one he’s very familiar with, and give him one he’s completely new to that he hasn’t even fired yet. That has to be the recipe for disaster- I know, “Hollywood”.
It's a scene from the original novel.
This is from the novel for Dr No which comes after From Russian with Love. In the novel version of From Russia with Love Bonds gun was ineffective hence the weapon swap at the start of the next novel.
Fleming's books are actually directly about this, and it's a shame people assume the dumb movie bond is the original. Fleming's Bond absolutely gets into scenes where home office has dumb suggestions. The books have a lot of smart commentary. But yes, the Walther came from talking to a gun guy, and was written into the books.
In fairness, the actual 1960s SIS probably did things just as slapdash as that all the time.
in the book they had him go train with new weapons before he left for Jamaica
Great video.. As a husband that drives my wife insane with pointing out firearm inaccuracies in movies and TVs. This has inspired me...
The reason for the Beretta 1934/5 may have been that larger guns look better on film. Take the HK USP for example. On film it looks great, but in person when you pick it up, the gun looks and feels way bigger than it looked on camera.
The USP is unbelievable big. Had the P8 (USP with some mods/different specs) as my issued sidearm. It was nearly as big as the MP7 which was a primary weapon for tank and truck drivers then.
I have always explained away the most obvious cases of Bond having the wrong gun with that something happened to the diplomatic bag containing his equipment, forcing him to make do with whatever the local MI6 station had available since I'm not one to let relatively minor issues ruin the movie for me.
Ha I did notice the PP turning into a 1911, but I did not notice the 1911 turning into a Hi-Power.
The whole "gun swapped for larger one to show up better on screen" thing has happened more than once in spy productions, oddly enough: the Mauser 1934-based U.N.C.L.E. Special prop in _The Man From U.N.C.L.E._ was replaced with one based on the much larger Walther P-38 after the first season for the same reason (and because, as it happens, the Mauser didn't run very well on blanks either). Sometimes these lessons have to be learned more than once. :)
Heh, heh ... you guys are nerds, and we all benefit from that. Thanks!
Great timing. I just finished listening to the Art and War Podcast with these two gentlemen.
Excellent video
Next you're gonna tell me that the spider was wrong too.
Can't wait to hear what you have to say about the invisible car 😂
Fortunately, I'm not a car guy so I can suspend disbelief there. 😆
No, not really. That car was terrible.
Q didn’t build that car, Romulans did!
I would love to see you two go through all the bond films like this.
This was fun to watch. Nice shirt, by the way, Ian.
I'm a gun nerd, but I watched this movie decades ago and I completely ignored all this stuff.
Nothing wrong with that at all!
Brit here: another thing to consider about the weapons in Dr No. It’s a British movie at the end of the day and in the 60s (as largely now) most Britons wouldn’t be able to tell one make from another, nor really think it was important. As long as the bang stick went bang and Prof Dent got his.
I recently watched doctor no with my wife. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I didn't notice that the walther was a pp however I noticed The inconsistency of of the guns in the film. I would love a video of the bond guns from the novels. Because If I remember correctly that he carried a hammerless 38 revolver for a period in the early books.
I wonder if someone has made a replica of the "golden gun" to review.
There are non-functioning replicas for sale. Don’t know about a ‘real’ one though.
My husband and I always have fun naming guns in movies and point out which ones are real, reconfigured or all out fakes.
Good morning
From memory (and it is multiple decades since I read the book), Bond has a modified beretta. Skeletonized grips, covered in tape, to make it skinnier.
The problems were twofold. One, it was very underpowered. Two, it was prone to jamming (and he'd been stabbed by a poisoned knitting needle in From Russia with Love because of a jam).
So, M gives him a choice of an airweight 38 special revolver (think it was S&W), shrouded hammer, 5 shots. Or the infamous Walther PPK in 32 acp.
Bond uses the 38 special in Dr No, but tries shooting out an adapted flamethrower tractor (at the end of book, he snarkily writes that the revolver was ineffective vs flamethrower).
ive got even more shocking news for you. Sean connery wasnt actually James Bond he was an actor playing James bond. kinda like that walther PP playing the role of a PPK
12:30 When I notice that the gun switches mid-scene, it makes me wonder what happened to the other one
I just shidded myself.
Ian's palpable admiration whenever Caleb discourses on some obscure evidence he's discovered is wonderful. There's almost a sense of relief that the next generation is picking up the torch.
Gun pedants being pedantic about guns from a movie made in a time when barely anyone knew what guns were what. Love it!
Don’t think they’re being pedantic at all! Both clearly love the movie for what it is
@@yeetyateyote5570 persons who are excessively concerned with minor details. Pretty sure it's part of their jobs to be pedantic particularly if they are writing about it 😀
This is the content I'm here for. So keep up the good work.
The switching of pistols during a scene discussion reminds me of the bar gunfight of Indy's revolver switching to the 1911 and back to the revolver . 007 was one of the inspirations for Indy.
Indeed! Though Indy gets a bit more forgiveness! It was a Hi-Power, and deleted footage shows him wearing a shoulder holster in the bar scene underneath his jacket that held that pistol. Unfortunately with editing, we miss the draw stroke, holster, and reloads!
Wait, wait, wait. You're telling me the Bond movies aren't documentaries, and the technology in them isn't necessarily real?!
That old not a documentary line is a humbug. You only get so much suspension of disbelief before the story narrative collapses under nothing matters and everything is possible.
@FIREBRAND38 Exactly, I hate when people say this. Of course it's not a documentary, but it's not a fantasy film either. Real elements from the real world (like a gun) should basically match reality.
Numerous movies call semi auto pistols "revolvers", and there's always the requisite pulling of the trigger of an empty/uncocked single action semi automatic to get the dramatic "click click click" sound, spotting these errors is fun