Argentine Brass Maxim: A Machine Gun of the Steampunk Age
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The Maxim Gun was the first successful true machine gun, and it became extremely popular worldwide. Maxim sent his first two working models to Enfield for testing in 1887, and by 1889 he had what he termed the "World Standard" model. No two contracts were quite identical, as the gun was constantly being tweaked and improved, but the 200 guns sold to Argentina in 1895 (50), 1898 (130) and 1902 (20) are a great time capsule into the configuration of the early Maxim guns in military service.
The Argentine Maxims had gorgeous brass jackets, along with ball grips, triggers, feed blocks, and fusee spring covers. The have the early 1889 pattern lock, complete with a walnut roller to assist belt feeding into the action. These guns were in Argentine military service until 1929 (which included a retrofit at DWM in 1909 to use the new Spitzer 7.65mm Mauser cartridge). They then passed into police use until 1956, and 91 were sold to Sam Cummings of InterArms in 1960. Of those, 8 were exported out of the US, 28 went to government agencies and museums, and the remaining 55 were sold onto the US collector market. They are the single largest group of early Maxims in the country today, and make fantastic collectors' pieces.
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Hey guys! An argentinian here!
First of all, "Mauser Argentino" stands for "Argentinian Mauser" Wich indicates that it is chamber for the 7.65x53mm Argentine ammunition, that was developed for our old Mauser kar98k that was adopted a pretty long time ago.
Second, the recoil spring assembly has a few words on it, the first is "punta" Wich stands for "tip/point" and was used to differentiate the normal lethal ammo from the 2nd type. That second time of ammo is the "fogeo" ammunition, Wich is a type of non lethal fully firing training ammunition, basically, training blank rounds that doesn't have a proyectile and has less powder inside, so you need to adjust the spring tension in order to use it effectively with less gunpowder.
Ian! I've been following your channel for like 5 years now, and i absolutely love every single one of your videos.
Greetings from Argentina! Adiós!
Mejor poné información en dónde están los FG 42 y los lotes de munición, en algún depósito están... bien guardados. Algo similar al video que mostró el grupo Wagner de las mina de sal cercana a Soledar, cuando fue capturada la ciudad ...estibas de cajas de armamento de 1945 y anterior. Cajas con subfusiles Thomson M1 y cajas con Maxim Todo nuevo!!!! De la misma forma están escondidos los FG-42 y sus lotes de munición 7,92x 57 mm Mauser. Entregaron solamente uno al Museo de Armas. Argentina nunca los mostró ! Y en el único video que hay de la época (48/49) de un ejercicio de paracaidista (creados oficialmente en 1943) el uniforme mimético es alemán y el casco es alemán... Pero curiosamente para las cámaras no se muestran ningún fusil ni siquiera uno de cerrojo... El que está en el Museo de armas no salió de la galera del mago! Es el segundo modelo...
@@Pablo-kw5jb pasó Gaith Pharaon por acá en 1990, y volaron Río Tercero en 1995 para ocultar el escandaloso contrabando de armas, pudo pasar cualquier cosa con todo lo que te imagines. También hicimos contrabando muchos años antes, buscá sobre el derribo de un avión argentino en la Unión Soviética en la guerra Irán-Irak, era otro contrabando escandaloso, en esos años operaba acá Licio Gelli. En muchos momentos de nuestra historia fuimos un país de contrabando de armas.
Me alegra no ser el único Argentino en este canal, y el mismo tiempo 🤔
@@Cheddarfran somos varios
Somos unos cuantos.
The argentinians unlocked the Premium skin for their Maxim
(we are now broke)
The idea of a black powder machine gun sounds like the worlds most metal fog machine.
Every 20 rounds required complete disassembly , thorough cleaning and reassembly.
@@guaporeturns9472 By the time you're done cleaning the smoke have lifted enough to aim for the enemy again.
@@guaporeturns9472 The issued 577-450 Boxer ammo was actually capable of extended firing as the construction included hard card wads along with a beeswax cookie so each round scraped fouling then deposited a layer of lube. As long as the brass case expanded well enough to seal the chamber upon firing the action would stay clean and I'm sure would run for many hundreds of rounds before any attention was needed.
Ah but if you want to see something REALLY COOL you should go back in time to the American Revolution, and the 60 shot repeating musket. Ian has a video about that one as well.
I really understand the need to lock in a traverse now.
During firing, the water in the jacket eventually gets hot enough to boil and turn into steam, therefore the gun is literally steampunk.
...and if you add a few teabags...
And add a polished brass pressure guage! 😊
@@TheWolfsnacki mean technically you CAN brew tea with it, but you’re gonna have a metallic aftertaste to go with that tea.
Steampunk is my favorite way to prepare punk. Best flavor that way.
@scottmccrea1873 Yes, we know, Ian literally explained how it works.
argentina is a great country with a lot of history, i always loved it. greetings from argentina 😎
Argentinians are so cool too!! greetings from Argentina ;)
Literal a quien mas le importa
Ian, I can't imagine the black powder smoke. My imagination is very bad. You need to fire this gun for us, to show us how bad the smoke is!!!
Sadly, this is chambered for a smokeless cartridge... Still, need to see it in action!
@@lairdcummings9092You know what, it's a pity Brandon Herrera had to primary Gonzales, or we could ask him to do it.
@@lairdcummings9092 Oh really, I missed that. It should still be fired. The value would go way up, if it was shown to be functional.
@@lairdcummings9092 I was thinking the same thing--running a Maxim with black powder would be a sight to see!
We are kidna spoilled by mag dumps at the end of the video at this point, so... yeah
The plate on the spring cover is engraved "Fogueo". That means "Blanks". That's probably the reason that the spring tension is so low.
son dos diferentes, tiene Punta (que asumo seran balas reales), su tensión, y abajo Fogueo, con comillas indicando que usan la misma tensión de arriba
@@MrKumbancha Gracias
@@MrKumbancha efectivamente. Lo volví a mirar y tienes razón. Es la misma tensión para los dos tipos de munición.
Came across a book some years ago written by Hiram Maxim's son about his father. Aside from being an inventor and engineer, the man was quite a prankster and practical joker. His favorite prank was shooting peas across the street at people - instead of direct fire he'd aim at the opposite wall above their heads so the peas would rain down from above. Towards the end of his life he had this habit of disappearing for a couple of hours once or twice a week, and when they investigated, they found he had rented a room across the street from where the local Salvation Army band practised. In the room there was nothing but a chair, a bag of peas, and a pea shooter. The writer pointed out that the peas were black peas.. black, so they were invisible in flight.
A true genius. The man knew peace was bad for business.
Peace: those glorious moments in history when everyone stands around reloading.@@_ArsNova
Cool! My long deceased Grandfather (Mom's Dad) was a prankster too. I think he and Maxim could have been buddies. 😅
Visualizing swirled peas..
Maxim was a pioneer in flight. Long before the Wright brothers Maxim built a huge biplane. He powered it with lightweight steam engines which were interesting in their own right.
Unfortunately Maxim crashed rather than landed. After the crash he gave up.
The wooden roller may well be ironwood. Not only is it very hard and durable, it is also self lubricating. Ironwood was also used for thrust bearings in steamships at this time.
Ironwood was also used in aircraft, mainly as the tail skid before they had a tail wheel, metal ones could spark and start a fire (which In the days when aircraft were basically a flying pile of kindling with a fuel tank in the center fire was obviously VERY BAD) the wood didn't spark but was durable enough and cheaper as well.
also can be lignun vitae
@SUPRAMIKE18 not to mention all that flammable canvass.
@@scottmccrea1873 canvas that probably had engine oil all over it up near the engine too. Those men who flew those were a different breed from us mere mortals lol
Giant brass ones, had they. True, they didn't got that fast, but fast enough for our mortal frames. They were true pioneers and many of them paid the price. @@SUPRAMIKE18
Excellent video.
A couple of comments:
1- In the Argentine armed forces it used to be a punishment in those times to carry the loading funnel. Why? because during the maneuvers, due to the lack of water, the soldiers had to fill the tank with urine (the same thing happened with the Colt 1928 that succeeded them.
2- On the spring tension data plate, there is also the word "Fogueo" (blank in English). I estimate that it is the tension required for the gun to cycle correctly with that ammunition.
Greetings from Argentine Patagonia. A pride and joy to see an Argentine weapon in Forgotten Weapons.
Edited to clarify some comments: When Ian talks about "Police" it must be clarified that at that time the National Gendarmerie did not exist. Therefore the "police" also had paramilitary functions such as border guarding and the expansion of borders with territories won from the Indians and that were lawless land at the mercy of armed gangs (Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid were around at that time ) hence the "police" had heavy weapons.
The smell of vaporized urine must be. . .unique.
Y es una alegría saber que esta arma estuvo, está y estará en buenas manos. No me quiero imaginar que podría haber pasado de quedarse en el país...
@@douglaslain5962 Indeed! My father (who operated the 1928s, but not the Maxims) used to say they were hyper stinky. And then they had to clean the weapons, which reinforced the disgust even more.
I can understand using policing forces as border guards. But shouldn't border expansion be strictly a military area of operations.
Also nothing like piss to absolutely corrode metal. I am beginning to suspect the brass was less a manufacturing choice and more trying to idoit proof the thing. As brass resist corrosion a tad better than steel does.
The ammonia in urine would have bad effects longterm on the brass. 🤔
We need this in the Corps. I have WAY too many cans of brasso sitting around with absolutely no current purpose.
Beautiful gun
😂
All those Privates and Lances are now rolling their eyes as they slope off to their hiding spots...
Good way to keep the Pvt's busy. LOL Semper Fi !
@@lairdcummings9092 1300: CO says we're outta here once we polish the MGs
1430: MGs polished
1500: MGs turned in
1600: no word from CO
1630: libo 😒
My mind immediately went to shining as well when I saw that much brass lol. You'd need a beach towel to rub that much brasso in.
As a "Duty Divisional Damage Control Pettyofficer" on my Navy ship in early 1980s, I had a fire station to keep clean. Lots of brass. My ET Seniorchief taught me early on to go to mess deck and get a bucket of "bug juice" (orange koolade) to clean the brass. The weak acid really shined the brass up nicely! Anything with citric acid would work, such as lemonade. I also had the best smelling fire station onboard! 😄
Copious amounts of brass parts on a firearm has just always looked so classy and aesthetically pleasing to me.
Lovely video as always, gorgeous gun!
The only thing wrong with brass is the weight. It looks cool, it machines gorgeously, it is very corrosion resistant and it spit shines to a mirror finish with very little effort. If it had been the weight of aluminium the entire world would be made out of it.
Argentina be putting brass on everything, even on their bayonets
Still doing it
As someone who has polished lots of brass in the military I am both infatuated with and horrified by this Maxim
God, imagine having to hand it back to the quarter master. You'll spend weeks polishing it before he handing it back.
Yeah, but it'd be so friggin pretty!
It is a beautiful knuckle-breaker, isn't it?
I share your horror bro.
I share that feeling! (Ex Navy)
7.65×53mm Argentine (Mauser) is a very interesting cartridge.
And, accurate!
It's basically 7.62x51mm, but 60 years older.
"Think of Luger, just huge, wattercooled, and made half out of brass"... Damn, I'd love to share a bottle of whiskey with Ian, I think it would be a hoot! I'll bring the whiskey.
The perfect Christmas gift for a moustache-twirling hero who already has a radium powered Zeppelin
The only way this gun could be more steampunk is if you gave it a monocle and a top hat. I want 10, please.
As you can heat, some of them had magnification sights. So indeed have monocle 😂
A gun so steampunk it has an actual steam valve for the actual steam to come out.
Hey Ian! Greetings from Argentina! thanks for covering guns from my country. i want to ask you, if you can, do more! FMK-3, HALCON Smg, HAFDASA Smg, I know you did a couple of Argentine firearms before, but i have to tell you, Argentine people love to watch videos of Argentine stuff. I bet this video will have quite a few views from here!
acá otro argentinian
Sip... Otro más por acá. 🇦🇷
Yo también!
Argentina is a wonderful country--we really enjoyed our visit there. Yes! More Argentine and South American Firearms!
The first SMG with secord-generation features was made here in Argentina. Compact, short barrel, folding stock and front folding vertical grip all in 1930, eight years earlier than the MP-38. Sadly it was not produced in series.
AR-GEN-TINA!! Amo los videos de Ian sobre armas argentinas. Es gracioso verlo intentar mirar a la cámara mientras está hablando sobre el trípode lol
I imagine the use of brass, especially in the water jacket, was a significant advantage in corrosion resistance over steel. If you're thinking you will use these guns for decades that is a significant consideration.
Only if you're okay with a green patina look though. If you're going to make the crews constantly polish the patina off there aren't any corrosion benefits over steel.
Can't wait to see you overhere, visiting military museums and talking about more argentine guns.
Asado is on me if you ever came.
As a mechanic and broke Firearm fan these videos are incredible. The ability and genius shown by being able to create complex funtioning machines with belt driven mills , steam driven hammers, and files from blue prints hand drawn on paper with no calculation machines or CNC auto mills. Incredible! Thanks to you, Ian, the Aucton Houses, Museums, Collectors, and Businesses for sharing with us.
I would not be surprised if Maxim claimed that generating a smokescreen while firing was a feature of his black-powder guns, not an issue.
Soy argentino fanatico de las armas argentinas y nunca escuche de este... te ganaste un nuevo suscriptor!! Segui asi!!!
Many don't know, but the "triple action" gas-sealing revolver (and cartridge) was invented here by an argentinian in a super wacky revolver with magazine, and the patent sold to Nagant. Check it out, it's super cool.
That gun is just beautiful! Would love to have one running black powder ammo.
Make sure to war a mask if you are anywhere near it while it's firing. sm
I was waiting for Ian to announce that we could win this gun in the usual contest... 😂
What a gorgeous and well-preserved gun! I love this era in firearms history, where the guns felt more like industrial machines and were built like oversized clocks. Still doesn't beat that cast-brass US Navy pom-pom though haha.
This is the Super Unique shiny Maxim that does 50+ Magic Damage and 10% Mana Steal
I love to see Ian get excited about a gun. You can definitely tell a difference from when he’s talking about a gun that he’s cover just because it’s available and when he’s really passionate about it.
Brass definitely is one of the best looking metals.
Until it turns green after a week in the rain
@@crackerjack3287 Then you break out the Brasso and have a fun afternoon. And when you're done you coat everything in a thin layer of bees wax (personally I dissolve 2% bees wax in 98% acetone (by weight) as that makes it super easy to distribute evenly) so it doesn't turn green in a week.
Gun metal sexier ??
@@andersjjensen thats all good if your putting it in ur living room not in the trenchs of ww1 tho or any battlefeild
@@crackerjack3287 In the trenches it doesn't matter if it turns green.
I remember some 40 years ago a collecter here in Toronto had two plantation maxims from Argentina. Similar gun as presented here but with a beautiful wood tripod, making it lighter to move about.
Excelente. Gracias por difundir parte de la historia militar Argentina.
Excellent. Thank you for spreading part of Argentine military history.
I never thought about it before, but a Maxim in .577-450? OMG. LoL
Now we just gotta get Leno to borrow us his Doble model E and figure out a way to mount this
“Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not.”
Down with the Fuzzy-Wuzzies !! 💂
On the Steampunk vibe, i will rewatch the Puckle Gun video after this...
That is magnificent. Immediately became one of FW's best episodes.
As an argentinian I feel proudness for these, bt also sadness because they all whent away.
Anyone else get the urge to polish all that brass to mirror finish?
I really like seeing reviews and hearing historical facts from the 1870s to 1910s. So many interesting technical changes and innovations happening in such a short period.
Holy shit it looks like brass model that’s great
Awesome video Ian. I’ve been watching your channel for at least a decade. Your enthusiasm is infectious, your presentation amazing. Thanks for your efforts.
This video is a Christmas present come early. What an interesting brass machine this is.
Thank you for sharing this video with us, Ian!
a piece of history, and just a great gun overall. Love Maxim guns.
Thanks, beautiful historic piece
What a beautiful weapon. Being a former Marine, I would have to polish that water jacket, though. Can't have dull brass.
Those Argentines are something from another world. Greetings from Argentina
Brass maxim! That funky maxim!
I bet that piece can play a wonderful sound
It looks absolutely fabulous.
That is SO cool, I think I've only seen low quality pictures of those all brass Maxim guns. Steampunk indeed!
Wow man, first time I hear about all details of this machine gun... Thanks!
Thenks for the video. I'm from Argentina and I had no idea about this piece of history.
What a awesome pice of firearms history!!
Maxims are so fun, I love seeing them on the channel.
Great video as always !!! Greetings from Patagonia Argentina !!! 🇦🇷
The machine work and brass castings are like works of art.
After all these years...Ian still getting stoked about obscure firearms is priceless!
It takes a truly unmatched level of genius to make a reliable self-loading black powder firearm.
The walnut roller is just baller.
Maxim gun. Automatic like. Thank you Ian. That is a true work of art.
'Because they know, that sacred stuff resides in that wooden roller and brass parts - something that gives the most common man the most uncommon of steampunk. When ordinary hands can possess such an extraordinary instrument, that symbolizes the full measure of human class and badassery, that's why the glinty shininess issues an irresistible call to us all, and we muster.'
-From my Gold, Dead Hands. (Probably)
Another fantastic video as usual Ian,huge kudos to you. I literally imagine a steampunk video game similar to the Bioshock franchise where you are part of the cast either as an ally or even a boss😂.
That has to be one of the coolest art pieces. I’d love to see it fired.
Cheers and greetings from Argentina! I love your videos men!
The early black power maxims would have been like the Gatlin guns because of the smoke, a spotter would be on the up wind side telling the gunner were to shoot.
I wanna see a black powder Maxim fire.
*Yes.*
The perfect armament with which to defend my airship from those blasted sky pirates!
Definitely the most beautiful gun I have ever seen!
It gets me that the roller was made of walnut of all things. Beautiful piece with all the brass parts, really nice to look at.
Hello Ian,
What an exquisite piece of beautifully engineered and crafted firearm example!
Wonderfully explained!
Thx
Nice video. Thanks for making it 👍
There has been some talk of maxims being in 11mm Murata, that would be a cool find
I think of all the heavy machine guns that I can think of,this one right here with all the brass and cool tripod is the one I would want the most. It's just so beautiful and yes steam punk. They are still being used to this day wich goes to say how robust they are... Maxim , you made an awesome weapon.
I always enjoy the video 😊
Just a fantastic piece of engineering! One of my wife's relatives was a machine gunner in WW1, but sadly he didn't return, he died during the Somme offensive.
Thank you very Riveting!
There were a few Maxim Nordenfelts in 450-577 floating around in New Zealand on the collectors market a decade ago... Truly a beautifully made machine gun....
Excellent!!! VERY similar to my DWM MG-08
Great show....I learned so much... especially how I'm such a novice...great engineering.
Outstanding machine from the turn of the century. Bravo 👍
Such a cool gun. Good video.
Watching Ian's geek-gasm over this gun is awesome.
Another Great Video Ian 💯Thanks for Sharing 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Well this was certainly unexpected, makes me wonder if we have one of these in the weapons museum so I can look at it myself... Greetings from Buenos Aires
proba el museo nacional de armas frente a plaza San Martín o sino el museo del Ejército que creo esta en Ciudadela
That is I think the most beautiful machine gun you have yet covered. The WOODEN roller only ADDS to the "Steampunk" character IMO!!! And looking into the mechanism from above... the CONDITION of that particular gun... it looks virtually pristine! I hope it goes to a good home (and gets fired occasionally!)
Nice video. Greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina
It must be wonderful to love your job and be so enthusiastic and be able to live your dream
The best outro on RUclips
I knew a guy that possibly had that exact Maxim since he lived close to the area that Morphys is.
Those early brass Maxims are works of firearms art.
That is the only machine gun I would ever want to own!
Beautiful gun!
Gorgeous.
muy buen video gracias por mostrar armas de nuestra Argentina, saludos desde Córdoba Argentina.
lastima no verla en funcionamineto.. buen video.
Saludos desde Argentina!.
I'm certain the machinists were all heartbroken when the brass was phased out of that design, the stuff is a joy to work. Cuts buttery smooth, hardly wears tooling etc.
I don't know why, but these old guns with their integrated oiler bottles always make me inordinately happy.
Fricking early gang
Desde Argentina. Muchas gracias por su explicación.