CRAZY GUY CALLS COPS ON KIDS FISHING!!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- What is going on guys welcome back or to the Channel, I hope each and every one of you are having an amazing day today. In today’s episode we went fishing for some giant stocked trout, but ended up getting confronted by this dude who thinks that he owns the water. This was insane and the cops got called!
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Their parents raised very polite, respectful and thoughtful young adults. Bravo!
I agree.
Remember that when you kiss ass all you get is a dirty face. Go wash your face!
@@willscottrell6919You should wash your face too.
yes, well handled by all.
and parents of the old guy raised an unfriendly, idiotic and self-righteous adult^^
I'm a retired Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources Fisheries Technician... Nobody can own a navigable waterway.... the police officer is wrong.... .... The cop backed down because he was bullied by that arrogant, loudmouth club member... The next time you fish that stretch of the river, take a bolt cutter with you and cut all the illegal cables and illegal chains that are stretched across the river... Call your Department of Natural Resources office and explain the illegal barrier that the club has built across the river... The next time a club member harasses you, video tape him, call the cops, and file charges against him for harassment...
Depends on the state. Illegal in Colorado. Keep trying to change it but no luck yet.
@@bradhale4979 Pretty sure Federal law about navigable waterways would override state laws in this case...it usually does, as far as I know states can't control navigable waterways.
@@bradhale4979 So federal law varies by state? Been hit in the head by any anvils recently?
In NY, as long as the body of water(river, not a pond solely contained within private property) is navigable by boat it cannot be posted. My advice to you as a retired police officer is not to damage anything but contact your state environmental police agency and meet them there and explain the issue. Local police do not enforce or have expert knowledge of conservation laws.
I wouldn’t recommend cutting any cables, etc.
I would recommend discussing with state wildlife officials. Ask for code sections of law, court cases, etc.
You actually could research that yourselves.
If you don’t get the answer you think is correct I’m sure there are a lot of organizations that would love to represent you and try this legal issue.
I have a 3 year old son and these boys are what I hope my son grows up to be like. Respectful, doing stuff outdoors, having good fun.
What a disappointment?
buddy, nobody taught you how to put commas? @@markmcgauchie2449
Hopefully they don't trespass lol
what tress passers ? lmao they had no regard to privert property
Cop admitted that he doesn't know the law but still made these kids leave. Pretty sad.
correct....why would he enforce a law he knows doesn't exist.......complete bs
Exactly! If you dont know what to answer ask a superior officer on what to do, obviously he needs another 6 months of academy training because if those kids were grown man, that would be a lawsuit and easy win
If he doesn't know the law, this so called "cop" has no business wearing that badge. He needs to resign, ASAP!
All cops should know the law to it's absolute fullness before they are allowed to wear that badge. Period.
That's because the rich owner gets favors from the local political leaders.
Shoulda took the citation and fought it in court, then sue the county for harrasment
The audacity of a private citizen demanding to see another private citizen’s fishing license is mind boggling. I have always understood that a navigable waterway can’t be owned . The land on either side can be but not water. The cop even said people canoe down the river which makes it navigable.
Even if the water is navigable by definition in NJ it does not mean you can walk it even in the water. the NJ law is VERY clear and states as follows. "The public does not have any right to use non-navigable, non-tidal waters absent consent by the owners.12) With respect to navigable non-tidal waters, the public may use them only for the purpose of navigation.13) However, the public may not use them for other purposes such as fishing"
Don't blame the messenger I am just stating the law in NJ as written. Not my opinion just the law as written.
@@willscottrell6919 Thanks for clarifying that. Sounds like the landowner was technically correct, although the cop said, the landowners went ballistic on someone canoeing down the river as well, which by the law you cited, would be legal. In any case, it’s sad that kids fishing on a river with snow covered banks, when nobody else is fishing, are discouraged from doing so.
I agree on that 100% they seems like good young men. BUT.......property owners have rights and I see the clubs side of it also. To be clear floating it would only be legal IF it is on New Jersey's list of navigable waters. I don't know the name of this creek/river so can't comment on that. @@bigrich6750
In Ohio if you own both sides of a stream you own the land beneath.
Damn. Move out of NJ.@@willscottrell6919
Calling the police on kids fishing in the middle of winter….. special place in hell for him
It’s his land. They’re trespassing.
The river itself is owned by the state. He can own the banks but not the river.
@@ltnitmare The river bottom is owned by the landowner in the state of NJ.
@@ltnitmarenot accurate. Read the post on the 2010 Jersey Digest
Special place in hell
Yea, it’s called Michigan.
Imagine owning a fishing club and then yelling at two kids for fishing
I'm pretty sure that's too club members they won't get.
Sounds like a great club to be apart of lol
It's money thing. They sell licences for fishing there for sure so anyone not paying is "traspassinf"
WTF owns Water?? 😡😡😡
In Michigan the public has the right of way because of sportsman's rights. The property owner has to give you the right of way on a public stream or lake if it's stocked by the department of natural resource with trout or fish and especially if there's a dangerous structure that has to be walked around. I th
You guys handled this far more maturely than the man wanting to kick you off. You may not have fished that day but you won the hearts of thousands
They’re kids fishing. My God…good for them for being good kids not sitting on their phones, but getting outside enjoying nature. They’re really respectful too good on them!! ❤ love this.
I was a skateboarder in the 80's. We were just trying to have fun and suddenly they made criminals out of us. :D
@@jillionairess yes. I remember that. Now there’s a whole new generation of Karen’s trying to stop innocent fun!
not enough to respect property rights
@@beast4661They’re literally trespassing.
The club owner is wrong. They don't own the water. Plus there's also an allowance for flooding of 10 ft either side. At least in Canada it's the rule here.
I'm just happy to see two young men out fishing and enjoying the outdoors instead of running around causing trouble.
They are causing trouble. You realize this “kid” posts these types of videos all the time to get suckers like you to respond and get more clicks. He’s made a bunch of these videos, where he deliberately breaks the law, and then blames an angry landowner.
💯 ABSOLUTELY!
Turns out that they were causing trouble by trespassing.
agreed
"I own the water!" That's one of the funniest lines I've ever heard! Hey! Pal! Your water just left. There it goes again, And there it goes again.!
He doesn’t own the water. But in NJ the landowner literally owns the streambed. So if you are in the bank or standing in the river, you’re likely trespassing.
😂😂😂😂😂
If the water is non tidal then the guy was right and the kids were wrong.
@@NomenClature-o8sif there is no tidal flow then the club or whatever it is owns the stream bed and the kids can’t fish there without consent of the owner. If the water is navigable-in-fact then they could go through it in a canoe…but they couldn’t fish there without permission. Since they apparently own both sides of the land then the owner could trespass them across the entire stream…provided there is no tidal ebb and flow.
@@tobitsdogcasenerd True…these “kids” know the law well. They have a RUclips channel and provoke these sort of incidents.
The FOOLISH COPS should have made some phone calls to find out the law on this matter.
Look who's talking. You the fool.
How can you be so rude? The cops were so honest.
@@HN_DEfuck them.
Where I am police would call BLM Bureau of Land Management and ask if what the man is doing is legal, then BLM would come down or even DOW Department of Wildlife, they would give that club or man 30 days to remove the Chains, cables, or fencing. He would orthe club would get a citation for damaging public waterways.
In every state that I am aware of, you can fish " in" river as long as you stay below the high water mark. We have gone to court in Utah over people just like this. You can never own a natural waterway. You can own property next to it, but only to high water line. That Club is breaking the law big time, especially putting a cable across the River. They are bullies and folks in your state need to put an end to s#it like this.
Absolutely!
You are 100% correct.
100%
You are confusing tidal waters with non tidal waters.
No I'm not confusing tidal waters. These rules apply out west everywhere. Now back east things may be different, idk. But common sense dictates one cannot own land beneath the water. Would be easy to verify and get clarity just researching Google in that State. I am not here to argue, only share we have had issues with same entitled idiots out West. Especially in Montana where transplants from CA try to make rivers private because their land has a river flowing through it. Can't do it and land owners lose every time. I don't know what state this video was made, I'd guess the rules of Domain are the same.
@@alanweisner2421 100% agree with you.
Only instances of private citizens owning a body of water is if the waterway is not connected to federal or state waters.
In some circumstances where a private landowner creates a let’s say marina and they dredge land to allow water into.
Then they have rights to the water.
This is also true in man made ponds and streams that never existed and were not under state and federal control.
This case here is nothing more than A Holes just wanting to control everything around them, even if they don’t have the right.
They know the local law enforcement outside of fish and game, know the laws.
They know that they can typically run people off through intimidation.
The whole ice on the creek/river defense these bozos used, is dumb as hell.
Frozen water is still water….
The fact that fish migrate through that waterway will ensure the governments control over that body of water.
Alan is the one confusing law and land rights.
We should all join up, go to this river, and fill this whole stretch with fishermen.
I'd drive from Maine just to join that crowd!
Where is this at?
New Jersey. But the asshole guy was from Pennsy. @@scooterman7888
High Bridge, NJ. I'm guessing that stream ends up in the Delaware River. @@scooterman7888
as long as your not touching the river bed
The kids dads should take this to a lawyer. I think there should be an apology by the land owner. Those officers are wrong and should have contacted a fish and game warden for context.
The lawyer would tell the kids' dad that in the state of New Jersey river bottoms can be privately owned on non-navigable waterways
@@arweninnjexcept that's a river and it doesn't apply
@@j.vasquez-bs4yoexcept, that’s a river and it could absolutely apply. Really shocking how little people know about property law when it comes to waterways. The owner could own the river bed, if you’re standing in the river, you’re trespassing.
@@richwashere168state law is irrelevant when it comes to a navigable river. Any river that was historically used or is even susceptible to being used for commerce is navigable, and the size of the craft doesn't matter. Federal law supercedes in this case. The landowner is an illegal landowner and is actually committing a federal misdemeanor.
Also, you are NOT trespassing unless you KNOW you are on private property. A crime requires intent (mens rea). You're only trespassing if a landowner tells you to leave and you refuse. But in this case the landowner is an illegal landowner, and because of the Commerce Clause in the constitution, federal law in this case supercedes.
In short, EVERY landowner in every state that allows beds and banks of navigable rivers to be owned is not really a landowner of what they think they are. Doesn't matter if they have a deed. Doesn't matter if they "pay taxes" on it like all the entitled asshole illegal landowners say. The "I pay taxes" statement is completely irrelevant and wouldn't even be allowed to be brought up in court. It's a complete red herring.
I agree
"I own the water!" "I own both sides of the river." - what a freaking clown! This is the kinda guy that gives "idiots" a bad name. : )
He should have been saying, I own the riverbed that you’re standing on, because that is true in this case. Not everybody thinks clearly when agitated.
I live on a large pond. I always let the kids fish from my property. What is the big deal? They're not doing anything to harm the property. It gives them something to do and not get into trouble. That man is just a jerk.
It's all about control. Trying to control others because he has money. Or at least his little club has combined money.
I’m sure they think that by letting others fish there, it will ruin it for the people who pay for a membership.
Thanks Lisa for letting kids be kids 💯👍
@@jerrykrausz8339 Yw :)
There is a difference between a flowing river and a private pond. Property owners can't own natural waterway, property owners can own pounds. You're a great guy letting the kids fish there, well done. You ask what is the big deal? The short answer is liability. If one of those kids gets hurt or god forbid drowns in your pond or from your property touching the pond you'll no doubt be sued by parents. It's a sue happy world and nowadays an accident MUST be someone's fault. You better be well insured with a mid 7 figure umbrella policy. Remember, no good deed goes unpunished.
I had a landowner in TX along the Frio River try to tell me she owned the water. I told her to call the cops and kept fishing. I never left the water and stepped foot on her land. The game warden came, checked my fishing license and said good luck, have a good day. Karen was so mad 😂
Yeah, in Texas, any "navigatable" waterway, no matter what time of year, is public property. Nothing a landowner can do about it. You can't shut down a river, period.
man those land owners on the tubing rivers are mouthy lol they don't like you even touching the roots or rocks on the side of the river.
Well that is in TX...little different in other states when you CAN own the water between two owned pieces of property...
@@TheCattyKid so if someone drowns in there the owner is liable? Serious question.
@@wholehand2635 probably, unless the victim crossed fencing and disobeyed signs
I've worked law enforcement and as a 911 dispatcher. In my department we verify the information through state agencies and call the game wardens when it has to do with anything fishing, hunting, and trapping as such. Verify the information always and take no sides between the two parties.
You are so right.
Game Warden just might shut their Nazi club down.
You realize this “kid” posts these types of videos all the time to get suckers like you to respond and get more clicks. He’s made a bunch of these videos, where he deliberately breaks the law, and then blames an angry landowner.
Exactly...
Why wouldn't the cops or the dispatcher.find out of a river is private property?
Can these River Owners sue the state or the county for their water running on their private river property?
@@MrOgstyler Cops really don’t have a comprehensive knowledge of the law. It would take some research into riparian rights to understand it. Very few people know that on some streams in NJ, the owner actually owns the streambed. They kept the peace and did their job.
Crazy that these teens know more than any adult around them. Well done, boys. Knowledge is power.
This is incredible. The *SERGEANT* says he doesn't know the law! They should have called the game warden. This "owner" needs to have his bubble busted.
No he said he doesn't understand the law of owning a portion of the lake. Meaning as far as he understands you can't own the lake, but somehow they do.
Happens more then you know
@@giannipuface9441 lake? I thought this was a river. I wish they included a map of the area. With a lake, I can understand ownership.... but with a river, I don't see how that's possible
To his credit, at least he's not pretending to know. He seems to be humble and honest. IMO that's better than some egotistical dickhead talking down to the kids and scolding them.
What he should do though is go find out what the law is. It has clearly come up before and continues to be an issue.
He may be unintentionally trespassing people who literally aren't trespassing. So he's basically acting like an unpaid goon for that fishing club.
Navigable Waterway
Fuck is wrong with people nowadays??
Ask myself the same thing
I’ll play Devil’s advocate here. I have waterfront property and own the bottom halfway out into the natural channel that runs off the main lake. The other side is an island owned by the state. I went to great expense to build my house and waterfront property and pay substantial taxes. I originally gave people permission to fish from my shore. The problem is that 80% abused the access I gave them. What happens is that someone always comes in and trashed or caused issues with their access.. they ruined it for everyone else.
I can give you absolute horror stories if people inviting 8 friends out and trashed the shore.. I have seen them build fires in my yard by the water.. or caught them taking a crap by my shed on the back. I no longer give access to anyone other than a few family members. I have tried to be nice but someone always ruins it for everyone else. I even had a neighbor have someone try to sue them because they fell walking through their yard. It gets kind of crazy.. some of the things waterfront owners have to go through
What is wrong with you….the kids were trespassing……
@@pdl1921you are correct…so many RUclips arm chair lawyers posting here.
@@pdl1921do you only owned the land you do not own the body of water I hope you realize that because I can make serious money suing you if you try otherwise
These cops are failures. You can’t own the water. Sorry dude.
Think of it more as they have the right to control access to that water more than owning it.
Bullshit !! He doesn't own the river ! All those cops and the owner should be charged with ignorance and conspiracy to commit ignorance! .
This is America. If you have money you can own whatever tf you want lol.
They have the same issue in Florida. They have marinas where they tell people they can’t fish, which is total bullshit. But it’s possible that they own the ground under the water, but that would have to have been dry property for centuries which I seriously doubt.
It’s different by state. In Louisiana it’s a big issue of land owners posting both sides and closing off navigable water. Such a problem that professional fishing tournaments have boycotted Louisiana in attempt to pressure the state to changing the law.
No one owns a flowing river. Maybe the land around it, but not the river. Good on you guys for standing up for your rights. 👍👍👍
I can finally sleep at night knowing I'm safe from evil kids that fish.
No lie, your parents should be proud. Two kids fishing, not causing any harm, still left public land although they could have faught it further and caught a beauty! This is the America I want to live in!
United States* or Union* not even close America gringo imbecil
lol tresspassing is tresspasing
And our society wonders why so many kids get into trouble.
Do you know whether the water was tidal or non tidal? If it was non tidal then it’s private property, not public. That’s the law in New Jersey.
but even when its public its usuly you have to be floating not touching the bank ease of way dosnt erode property rights as i said in other coments if i have land and the gov puts a ease of way in my property for the public that means you can only use that area you cant go off and explore my land this is kinda the same thing@@tobitsdogcasenerd
I can’t stand people who try to prevent other people from enjoying nature! Especially such respectful young guys like this! What a joy to see young people enjoying the outdoors
Property rights are property rights. Each state is different. The South seems to be much different with regards to this type of situation.
It's obvious you're not a landowner....
I know it's pathetic and selfish!
@@gasoven3759 If I was a landowner I wouldn't be that petty as long as they are not doing harm.
@catherinewilliams3850 Catherine, you are probably a very nice middle-aged lady.
I can tell you are controlled easily by your emotions and is a person who is easily manipulated.
I say that because these teenage boys have been playing you like a fiddle and got the exact response out of you that they wanted.
You see, this is not their first trespassing encounter video. These boys have made a small career out of their fishing videos. Their channels can be found on TikTok, Instagram, RUclips, etc... They have millions of views across all their videos, and by far, their most viewed videos are the trespassing encounters.
What their little scheme is to create a video with a clickbait title, something like "Old Man Karen tells me he owns the river water,"
So you click and watch.
The boys edit the video, which will make the landlord look like an old meanie, and the boys play it like innocent teenagers who just want to fish. Just a couple of polite and nice teen boys. Wally Cleavers.
So, now people like you take their side. You have become their emotional puppet.
When you have a moment, just scroll through their channel (Vince Fishing), and you will see a handful of these same types of trespassing videos. Same types on their other channels.
You see, these boys can't keep making the same type of video over and over and not expect someone to call them on their BS.
So, that's me.
These boys know New Jersey trespassing laws, but they go out of their way to trespass and then video the encounter. They just don't care about trespassing, but they do care about the number of videos they can produce, and they know that the trespassing ones are the most watched.
You see, gullible people like you don't take the time to research New Jersey state law. These boys are smart. They know that most people don't know New Jersey trespassing laws and Riparian river/property rights. They know the vast majority of people are too lazy to look up anything like that online or even make a simple phone call to the New Jersey Fish and Game Office to confirm. No, most people will be suckered by the way these sneaky boys manipulate their videos. It's fun to villianize an old landowner with a lot of money who is stopping boys from having fun.
Yet, despite their grift, I do find these boys quite entrepreneurial in their feat of literally tricking hundreds of thousands of gullible people who take their side and not the landowners' side.
To educate ya, here is the law in New Jersey:
(And these boys know it)...
In New Jersey, the landowner owns the land under the water to the midpoint of the river. If that owner owns the land on both sides of the river, then he owns all the land under the water for the length of his property next to the river.
So, when these boys had their waders on in his part of the river, they were trespassing. They were wading/walking on his land under the water. These boys ignored the man's no trespassing signs. That is New Jersey law. They were trespassing.
You see Catherine, it is the responsibility of the angler to know if he is on public or private land. They have phone apps, such as OnX. That app has a map that shows you where you are and let's you know if you're heading onto private property. The app also gives the name and address of the property owner.
These boys are making too much money to keep playing the stupid teenager.
These boys are foolish, arrogant, and immature.
Just to differentiate you and me,
I am a landowner. I don't like people on my rural property. People are jerks. They vandalize, they litter, they damage trees, and they hunt without permission. It's my land, I don't want a liability lawsuit from them getting hurt on my property, and I didn't purchase it for some jerk to wreck it.
I tell you all this to become I want you to be a more critical thinker. Look for motives and clues.
The dumb people here in the comments section have the same non-critical thinking that is similar to the people who make comments and that are bought into the anti-Israel propaganda. People are jerks, people have motives. Be safe.
Wow guys - thanks for making these video's. I'm a disabled vet and haven't been able to fish in years. Growing up, all I did after school was fish, fish, fish! Got a good laugh out of the the mega Karen encounter, and shed a tear of joy watching you pull that amazing trout out of the river. Good on ya! Thanks for making my evening!
If someone gets hurt by that cable that they put across the river, they can be sued you cannot own the water. It’s already been through the supreme court these cops in this county need an education.
Thats why they should have called a warden, not a flatfoot.
@@UpcomingJedi I can’t believe this landowner has gotten away with it. As long as he has he must’ve been a politician, or at least a judge, possibly the mayor, because if a regular person tried to do that, you’d be fined and locked up
its a gray area they have the right to the river bed not the water its self the chain would vialate it but the being on the river bank is tresspassing so it is a can of worms
@@brendonrookes1151 they were not on the bank. Did you watch the video?
@@Jon-wg8vr you are completely ignorant of the law, and this has not been to the Supreme Court, stop lying. In the state of New Jersey, the landowner literally owns the stream bed.
This guy called the cops because he KNEW they weren't going to know anything. Especially someone who owns a fishing club would know that your local DNR is the person that is going to have the power and knowledge. Next time this happens you need to tell them to call the DNR not the Police.
Good point that would of been better
Should have stood your ground. You were totally legal
That cop is wrong you should get the DNR involved yourself so those guys stop doing this to people@@VinceFishing
Go back out there and have the DNR there
@@VinceFishingYou wont go back out there. No balls
Your parents should be very, very proud of you, the way you were so polite to the policeman, and that irritable landowner….. even though he was in the wrong, your manners were outstanding!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
NJ is a verbally cerebral state, kudos to those young fishermen. The asshole 'waterowner' sounded for sure like he was from Pennsylvania.
he wasnt in the wrong tho they had there feet on the river bed could he handel it better sure but he was in his rights
He wasn't in the wrong. The river bottom and banks are solid land which is owned by the land owner. Research the laws before commenting; your ignorance is showing.
@@joeschmo5166He was right. In NJ that landowner owns the streambed. These guys have a RUclips channel and provoke these incidents. They have done this many times.
wrong. borders of property end at the streambanks.@@NomenClature-o8s
"I own the water" 🤣😅
notice it was "I" "I" "I" then "well actually its the club"
These kids are not only smart but very respectful great job to the parents 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
For raising kids who intentionally trespass for views?
@@WitchyBishy Not true in the slightest.
This video is my favorite genre. Kids being more adult than adults
Jeesh, your stupidity is showing. These boys are flat-out trespassing. Obviously, you don't know New Jersey riparian landowner rights. A landowner owns the land under the water. Therefore, they are trespassing by walking/wading across the land under the water. You need to know what you are talking about first.
kids don't own property yet so if and when they do maybe they will have a different mindset and more of an understanding...but they don't yet.
As a land owner, you are right....he is wrong. He can't own the water. Good for you for knowing the laws!
😂😂
But effectively, he got them to leave. Basically trespassed from public property.
@@shannontucker3710 That's the part that pisses me off. No ticket isn't a great victory when they can still bully you into leaving a public area. I would go every day.
@@jchen3 Yea, too bad the lads, didn't have the $$$ to hire a lawyer to be able to participate in our "justus" system and sue the club owner AND the corrupt cops who made them leave!
Hats off to the officers who maintained their composure and laughed and joked with the kids, and the kids who kept their cool.
No these officers should have called their supervisors, the fish and game commission or their district attorney for the correct answer. Those kids are in the stream or the banks which are in the public right of way of the waterway. No one owns any river or waterway in the United States.
Nope, cop just gaslighting them to get them to go away knowing the law was not on the fish club bully's side. This needs to be tested in court and the cop telling them it would cost "tons of money" to discourage them is just more gaslighting.
He's famous for caving to the built and not doing his job... typical.
Don’t blame the cops, it’s not their responsibility to know every detail of every property law. But that bullshit about the river occasionally freezing over is completely bullshit. That actually test navigation or ability to navigate historically not not presently, the state or the federal government owns all navigable waterways in this country, or waterways that where formerly navigable. You can’t run a chain across any river and if you do you absolutely should be criminally prosecuted and are criminally responsible for any damage or injuries to any one on that water and can be charged with homicide if someone is killed.
Additionally, most states have a right to fish law and they can be charged with that as well.
If you live in this area please fish this from a boat and if they come out yelling you call the cops or Wildlife agency and ask that they be arrested.
@@jackfish281 The cops should know all the laws. I think that's the bare minimum they should know to do their jobs.
The odds of your local police officers getting this sorted out is pretty low. You need to contact your local Game and Fish Department and get the exact law interpretation from them. If they tell you that you can walk in, as long as you stay in the water, that guy that was yelling at you has zero right to kick you out. However, if your state says the land owner owns the ground beneath the water, then you are out of luck and cannot go in there. So if it turns out the game and fish department says you are good to go, I would call the local game warden before you go and tell him/her where you are headed. That way if that landowner shows up you just give him the warden's number and tell him to call him/her, and he will find out real quick he has to leave you alone. I went through this exact same scenario in Montana a few years ago. Long story short the land owner got issued a ticket and fined. It's important to know your rights, but you got know them 100%, and how the law defines them.
I will be doing this immediately. Appreciate it
Yea I would get info from the fish and game on video or email then have the guy dispute that
I am from Montana and I have dealt with it too here. Last time I had it happen the landowner learned the truth and he ended up being pretty cool about it afterwards. He even lets us walk on the land now haha
@@VinceFishinglet us know what they say bro
You are good in a canoe that is legal not touching the bottom lol 🙂
I don’t know what’s wrong with the world. Back in my day that woulda never happened cause kids fishing meant they weren't doing bad stuff! Crazy
In your day people could trespass on the property of a private fishing club and fish for free?
@@SSHitMan 😂
in the water is legal. as many have already stated. it's probably more of a pedo club anyway. i'm surprised the old Ken didnt try and lure them away with candy..
Just never heard of this. I’m from Minnesota so right around where you guys are but haven’t been in 17 years so who knows anymore. Most things just blow my mind anymore.
@@imoovabull6042 Floating on the water is legal. Walking on the bottom is trespassing on private property. That's how it works in New Jersey and many other states. The water is public but the river bottom is private.
You call the DNR period. They will fuck up that old mans life. They DO NOT screw around.
What's the DNR?
Its the name of the river, they are on the DNR Canal Also spelled “D&R” for Deleware-Raritan
@@barreloffun10 In a lot of states there's a government agency called the Department (or Division) of Natural Resources. People often shorten this to DNR. It's the agency charged with managing wildlife conservation and publicly-owned recreational areas.
@@BillKocik I see.
@@dreytura1861there not lol
Kids fishing should be encouraged by all.
Crazy world we are living in!
I'll bet he's one of those people who call the police on kids riding bikes and playing ball too. He probably goes to council meetings complaining about kids playing and making noise. YOU'RE FISHING. That's what I love to see. Kids being kids in a good way.
If those were not tidal waters the he was right and the kids were wrong to be fishing there. If he was right then he had every right to exclude them.
In Pennsylvania you can fish on any waterway as long as you don’t step on the banks
@@tobitsdogcasenerdlegally? Yes. Morally? Arguable. They weren’t doing any harm. It’s just two dudes in the middle of winter fishing in a little river. It may be private property, but it’s not like it’s someone’s backyard. He clearly took it very personally that these kids were in the river.
@@ShadowStormTCWC, there is no money in two kids, or any NON member fishing these waters, all about exclusivity.
He's probably the president of his HOA too
Thank you for standing your ground it's obvious that some people think that just because they have money they can control everybody
“We’re very agreeable. We’re very friendly people.”😂😂 Yeah right.
He wanted them to get out of the water so he could say they were trespassing.
They already were
@@WitchyBishycan you show me how to buy water rights for a river bc I’m curious on why most states DONT let you water laws are real you can own the minerals and minings rights to a section of river to mine for gold or gems but no one should be allowed to take rivers away from people that’s like closing the beach in front of your house and out to the ocean
@@westonwright6113there is actually places where you can’t go on beaches
@@debvoltolina6143beaches yes but water?
@@WitchyBishy nope, they we'rent. He is. He's an illegal landowner. State law is irrelevant.
People, leave kids alone! It's great they are outside!!
I wish there were more kids like this! Respectful, law abiding, reasonable, respectful of authority, and loving the outdoors more than playing video games. These kids give me a little more hope for our future generations. Their parents should be, and I'm sure they are, VERY PROUD.
I understand your approval of the mindset and attitude of these two young men. But, also, you described what other young adults do contrary to these two individuals. If your complaints are shared by many others, how did (today's) young adults get to the point of being 'less than productive' young adults when they were supposed to be living at home with their adult parents?
@kevinphillips150 I'm not really sure of your question. Is it a rhetorical question or a legitimate question. I may be a little slow on the uptake, I'm sorry. Do you disagree with what I said?
I think what he is saying is that many people blame the children. But they have parents who raise them to be as they are. So if you dislike how the kids have grown up to be.... maybe you should actually take issue with the parents generation who raised them and taught them.
@@natf6747 I agree! That makes more sense to me.
@@Cadillacfire87 I was asking since the two individuals were agreeable to you, why aren't other young adults, who live with their parents, the same way? Is this a young adult's problem or a parent of a young adult problem?
"we're real friendly" now get out of my water. 😂😂
“I own the river” is a wild statement 😂
The water he owns already flowed away 😂😂😂😂
Keep on fishing! It was one of the biggest joys of my youth. That was a beautiful trout, and those men that made you leave private property are clowns. You are an awesome young man, take care and GOD Bless you.
"i dont want to open a can of worms" so we'll just let this guy keep pretending that he owns the waterway
why cant people grasp the difrence between traveling down the river in a boat and walking where your feet are touching the land below the water unless your jessus your tresspasing
A police officer who “doesn’t understand legalities” is like a doctor who doesn’t understand medicine.
They’re cops not lawyers
@Pureblue1 yet they enforce the laws. So they still need to have some basic understanding.
@@FlossyMae843 And a FAQ for things they don't know. It wouldn't be difficult for them to have access to these in their patrol cars.
@@dimitriosfotopoulos3689 agreed!
most cops have no idea about basic laws. They in many cases are more 'ignorant of the law' than the people they encounter and try to force the laws on.
These offices know this man. Taken the path of least resistance.
They know the club is going to raise cane at town hall . They don't
want the hassle.
The parents of these kids should be very proud of them.
Good job
for disresecting propetty rights?
Robert hates the law and encourages children to break the law. Robert should be arrested.
@@brendonrookes1151it's life, it's not what you know, it's who you know many times... unfortunately.
@@brendonrookes1151that’s definitely blowing it out of proportion. It’s not like they were in someone’s backyard. It’s the middle of winter and they’re fishing in a little river. It’s really no harm. This dude took it way too personally
they were on some ones property so basicly yes they were on that guys back yard had they been floating in a boat no it wouldnt be tress passing but as soon as you put ur feet on the river bed its tress pass regardless of how high the water is the goverment owns the water not the land since the river bed is land its tress pass this is simple land ownership rights @@ShadowStormTCWC
Any person, any property owner, seeing these kids fishing should make them happy, just as human beings that the youth is doing something meaningful, the last scene is amazing proof of what I am talking about.
Until the ones leaving beer cans come? Have to treat all the same or it's discriminatory
You obviously don't own land
@@WitchyBishy dude "owning" land is why this country is so fucked up now. People whose family bought or more likely stole cheap land like 200 years ago for nothing acting like they have some heavenly right to it. No, assholes, your great-grandpa stole it from some brown person and now you think you're a fucking king. Fucking this country to death, seriously.
Much respect for this officer for being a decent human being and doing his job in an honorable manner
So cool to see two young gentlemen treating their elders with respect. Still get your point across, but do it very respectfully, kudos to you both.
Crazy how the cop admits he does not no the legality, but is still willing to trespass .
I thought the same thing. I think he was budies with the fish club or something. If he didn't know the law on it then he should have found out before enforcing anything
Yeah, that cop was wrong too.
If the cop is wrong, and he is, there are zero consequences for him being wrong. Same as if a cop wants to jail you for whatever reason and files charges he/she knows will be dismissed, there are no consequences for the kidnapping. It has to change.
Cop was in fact correct and so was the landowner.@@RiverRat-2112
U R wrong.
No private land owner owns the water
That cop saying "ill take it all" Has be DYING!
This is a common problem in the western states, where really rich people buy land on both sides of navigable waterways and try to “own” the rivers. They have gone as far as shooting at boaters who travel up and down the waterways and have even set booby traps to damage boats and wet foot fishermen. They give local police access to “their” rivers and streams so that they have a little private police force to enforce their made up laws. The Supreme Court has already dealt with this but anyone who can afford to buy this much land can also afford protracted litigation to protect “their” land and waterways.
We've got a trout stream near me that for some reason isn't classed as navigable. The landowners, various transplants that want a mountain vacation home, own the land halfway across the stream. You can float it but the second you touch the bottom they'll call the sheriff on you to trespass. It's not super well enforced because the DNR threatens to stop stocking the stream if they're gonna say it's not navigable waters and the city backs off a little. It's overrun with tubers most of the summer and the fishing is lousy but there's big trout and smallmouth in there. How long until the us peasants can't even access the outdoors without having to pay someone?
They should've called an attorney right then and there, cops not knowing the law is the biggest problem in the force
you do realise that they could of been charged with tresspas right
The land owner owns the river bottom and river banks, which is solid land. Please research the laws; your ignorance is showing.
@@NiteCreature666they do not, makes sense you would spread lies with 666 in your name
@@NiteCreature666 was that directed at me or squirtle ? becouse i agree with you thats why i said that he could of been charged with tresspas since he was on the river bed / bank
@@NiteCreature666 That depends on the state. In most states the landowners owns only to the high water mark. The riverbed and the water is public. That's how it is in Wisconsin.
Did some research on NJ law and came to this conclusion. You were in fact trespassing by walking through the river. The water of the river is public property, but in NJ the land owner owns both sides of the river, and the river bed. So that means that as long as you do not touch the land you are not trespassing. This means you can legally fish from the river so long as you:
-Don’t touch the river bottom (so kayak)
-Don’t anchor or tie off
-You fishing equipment doesn’t touch the river bottom (sinkers etc.)
So unfortunately the owner was in the right. If you want to piss him off call game and wildlife and get further clarification if this is in fact correct. To me it seems it’s not worth the hassle and would recommend fishing elsewhere.
This is insane, these cops don't know anything and the "club" owners are just bullying you off public water, I would call the DNR and then go back and catch all the fish. Great job staying respectful
Its not public water, good lord educate yourself. That may be the law in Michigan but it is NOT the law in NJ. The kids were trespassing.
Below is the NJ law.
"Non-tidal waters with no ebb and flow of the tide and the lands beneath them are deemed private.6) The public may use non-tidal waters only for purposes of navigation if the waters are navigable-in-fact.7) The public may not use non-tidal waters for other purposes, such as fishing, without the owners' consent.
The public does not have any right to use non-navigable, non-tidal waters absent consent by the owners.12) With respect to navigable non-tidal waters, the public may use them only for the purpose of navigation.13) However, the public may not use them for other purposes such as fishing."
navigable-in-fact means that it was historically used for commerce and there should be a list in your state of waters deemed navigable-in-fact. I highly doubt that waterway is on that list. Moreover even if it was on the list that would grant you the right to float down it but still not have the right to fish while floating it.
@@willscottrell6919 what part of check with the DNR didn’t you understand? Good Lord read the comment first 😂 and that still doesn’t say the kids were trespassing, he already spoke with a DNR officer, who told him he could, just because those dumb ass cops think they know the law doesn’t mean they do, also the kids are not trespassing if there are no signs saying private property, they can be asked to leave, and if they don’t leave, then, they are trespassing, read the laws. You must be that hillbilly club owner, who thinks he owns the fish
@@willscottrell6919 😂 I just called NJDEP and they said you are absolutely wrong, the officer told me you shouldn’t believe everything you read online. Try again 😂 if I were them I would’ve let them kick me for trespassing and then took it to court. I will guarantee I’d win
Try again. I posted the LAW. You are free to look the law up yourself. @@MichiganOutdoorsman1977
I will put my law degree up against your back woods feelings any day.
People think they own the water is insane.
i own the water
@@__shiftyyou own dizz dikk
You know how these people get when it comes to property 🤣
Just did a quick bit of research. In the state of New Jersey all fresh water is held by the state in public trust. That being said, while the state owns the water, someone can own the land under the water. If you are wading in the river without permission you can be trespassing on someone's land. Coastal water subject to tides is different; the public has the legal right to access to the mean high water mark.
He misspoke. He doesn't own the water, but the land under the water. Therefore, these boys were flat-out trespassing.
I liked how respectful the kids and the cops were to each other.
Do you also like that these boys were trespassing on a property owners land in New Jersey?
"I dont care what anyone says, youre not in trouble with me. Im not giving you a ticket. Got it?" best quote ever!
In a recent Pennsylvania case, a fly fishing club sued to prevent nonmembers from fishing in a section of the Lehigh River. The club leased considerable acreage along two miles of the Lehigh River and stocked the river with fish. Claiming that the land and the river were the club's private property, the club sued to exclude any nonmembers.
In hearing the case on appeal, the Pennsylvania Superior Court observed that the Ohio, Monongahela, Youhiogeny, Allegheny, Susquehanna, Juniata, Schuylkill, Lehigh, and Delaware Rivers are all "navigable" public rivers as designated in 1826 by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. When declaring the rivers to be navigable public waterways, the supreme court denied the owners of the land along the banks of those rivers the exclusive right to fish in the rivers. Instead, the court found that the right to fish in the navigable rivers of Pennsylvania belongs to the Commonwealth and thus to the public.
In the case involving the fly fishing club, the superior court held that the judicial declaration of navigability made in 1826 is essentially final. The club contended that the stretch of the river along its land was not actually navigable and had never been navigable. But the superior court found that once the rivers were declared navigable their entire lengths were deemed public property owned by the Commonwealth. The court refused to engage in a "piecemeal" analysis of the navigability of a portion of the Lehigh River.
While the legislature can pass laws for river management, it cannot declare any other Pennsylvania rivers to be navigable, nor can it change the status of any of the navigable rivers already identified by the court. Members of the public cannot trespass on private land, but they are entitled to fish, in compliance with state fishing regulations, on all public rivers.
Correct.
Unfortunately it’s New Jersey and the law is different.
New Jersey Navigability Report
Summary
Waters in which the tide ebbs and flows are public to the extent that the sea flows and reflows. Accordingly, the public can use such waters for boating, fishing, swimming, and all other legal activities. On the other hand, waters with no ebb and flow of the tide are private waters and generally may not be used by the public without the consent of the owners. Non-tidal waters that are navigable-in-fact may be used by the public only for navigation, but not for other purposes such as fishing.
State Test of Navigability
New Jersey uses the common law ebb and flow doctrine to determine whether waters and the lands beneath them are public or private.1) Accordingly, waters in which the tide ebbs and flows and the lands beneath them, “so far only as the sea flows and reflows,” are deemed public regardless of the navigability of the water.2) Such tidal waters and lands are subject to a public trust, which encompasses not only navigation but also fishing, swimming, and other lawful uses by the public.3) The principles of the common law ebb and flow doctrine are so well settled in New Jersey that at least one court deemed a citation of authorities on the subject unnecessary.4) Case law appears to suggest that the public has a right to cross privately owned land in order to gain reasonable access to tidal waters.5)
Non-tidal waters with no ebb and flow of the tide and the lands beneath them are deemed private.6) The public may use non-tidal waters only for purposes of navigation if the waters are navigable-in-fact.7) The public may not use non-tidal waters for other purposes, such as fishing, without the owners' consent.8) Cases do not appear to specify the extent to which the public may use navigable, non-tidal waters for navigation, i.e., whether the allowed public use is limited to commercial shipping or extends to recreational navigation such as boating. Also, at least one case suggests that most tidal rivers in New Jersey are also navigable, and the navigable rivers are generally tidal with the exception of the Delaware River above Trenton.9)
@@andrewgrossman9899correct if it’s PA, but it’s Jersey, so no.
@@SquirrelDarling1what body of water is this river?
@@SquirrelDarling1 Just from a purely legal view I wonder what the laws are regarding the Delaware river which separates Pennsylvania from New Jersey? Would the laws change the moment you crossed the mid section of the river? I assume both States lay claim to half of the river. And the tides do not affect a huge section of that river.
I have seen this before and it ended differently. The cops actually end up ticketing the "Karen" for harrassment.
Glad I watched to the end.... sweet catch!
I commend you boys for handling yourselves in such a respectful manner.
Holy crap , these kids just want to fish. Fishing needs to be encouraged by our youth. These young adults showed nothing but respect.
Awesome video. Your parents raised you right. It's also nice to see some well-behaved and well-trained officers with Goodwill attitudes. I would be interested in a video follow-up of the laws of waterways in your state and county. As of right now, I am a subscriber to your Channel. Well done. May the fishing be with you.
Call the game warden. They will fix everything quick.
yep. DNR doesn't like people doing this.
Just did a quick bit of research. In the state of New Jersey all fresh water is held by the state in public trust. That being said, while the state owns the water, someone can own the land under the water. If you are wading in the river without permission you can be trespassing on someone's land. Coastal water subject to tides is different; the public has the legal right to access to the mean high water mark.
As a land owner here in Pennsylvania with a creek running through it I can tell you that this question has come up many times. If the body of water is considered a "navigable waterway" it can be accessed from the high water mark to the other high water mark. On land or in the water. If the body of water is considered a "non-navigable waterway then the land owner owns the land under the water. Using a canoe, kayak, raft, tube, ect.... on a "non-navigable waterway" is still considered trespassing. This is Pennsylvania law as I understand it. New Jersey law may be similar or it may read different. The federal government is the first entity to make "navigable/non-navigable" determinations but also lets the states regulate many of the waterways. So there needs to be some legal work done to determine who actually determines who owns and or controls that particular creek. By the way. NICE FISH!
According to the federal government, the "navigable" waters of the United States are anything that can float a stick.
Correct. I went down this Rabbit hole years ago when that club tried the same thing on the Little Juniata. I believe there’s a text from 1898 that is the reference for navigable waters.
@@lostintranslation9680 A club tried that on the Lehigh River as well. IIRCC in PA its by each indivual river/creek, though try to find a creek that would take 3 steps to go across that at sometime wasnt used for commerce aka meanings is navigable.
I hunt for points in creeks in SE PA. I use the Navigable Water way law. Also, if it aint posted or painted purple im going.
That creek is definitely navigable they should have called the game warden. Those cops need to be educated and they should have called the warden.
You guys are WAAAAAAY more patient than I would be...
Bravo to you young man and your pal.
I’m surprised he didn’t say to “hold your breath, I own the air above my property too!”
😂
Don’t you breathe it!
You know what? Young men making healthy choices. Let's applaud that.
I don't even watch hunting and fishing shows this only showed up to me because of the cop interaction, however, you two handled this better than most grown men I know would have and certainly better than that old man did. Sorry he bothered you so much. I'm so glad to see you out there spending your time well. It also warmed my bitter old lady heart to see you get so excited to catch that beautiful fish and return it to freedom. That is true sportsmanship to me. Many have said it and it's often undeserved but here it is, Bravo. I don't even care if liking this messes up my algorithm. Good job men.
Bitter old lady 😂😂😂❤❤❤❤ from a bitter old man, thanks for the laff
Considering how many old folks complain about kids playing video games and always on their phones, you’d think this old fool would be happy that two kids are outside enjoying nature and fishing! What a male Karen! Kudos to the cops!
I find it refreshing to see you guys outside fishing and enjoying your day instead of sitting inside on your phone, computer, IPad or whatever else kids are into these days. The guy is just being a jerk! I love how cool the officers were with you and this whole situation. I agree with them and the couple who stopped and talked to you. I’m on your side! Take care!
What do you think they did when they got ome. Here's the video
If maintaining control of property rights would make me a jerk, according to you, I am a jerk. Does that make you feel better?
@kevinphillips150 is that you in the video harassing two kids who are just fishing? It takes a special kind of shitbag to be like that.
The officer, at the end, needs to learn the law.
Boycott that fishing club. They even let the fish go man. Let em be and fish man. 😎👍👊🇦🇺
Obviously you are not a landowner.
I can guarantee you people have been fishing in that river longer than their club has been there.
Call the DNR and ask specifically about the rive, never ask local cops regarding the law to be honest because most do not understand much outside of cities ordnances and traffic tickets. Or call a lawyer, pay for an hour of their time and you can get super in depth answers
Call your local DNR in the future. They will know how to interpret riparian (public) rights vs private. In most State's as long as your feet are wet and you stay below the ordinary high water mark you can walk there. If there is a tree obstructing or a fence in the center you are legal if you stay below the ordinary high water mark along the shore.The other question, is the waterway in question a navigable navigable creek, stream, or river ? In most cases to the state and public are free to use the waterway. I thought you handled yourselves very well. It would be interesting to see what the water laws of your state read ? The Police officer is right. If someone asks you to leave you should honor that. Then report the individual to your local DNR.The owner was a angry guy that should handled things much better than he did. He was young once, and he should of remembered that when speaking to you that day. Thanks for posting !
They don't even know the difference between public and private property so I don't think this was the situation for them😂
@@Steven-c3n3min New Jersey bottoms of non-navigable rivers can be private property
Well done for standing your ground. You showed a level of maturity those old heads are yet to obtain.
called landowners but okay lol
Good job young fella's.........sad part of the officer's! Call a CO!! Please tell everyone where this is! I have a pair of waders.....time to go fishing!!
The angry dude is just small-minded, small fry!!! Thanks for putting the good one back in the stream!!! 😉😁
It's quite obvious you are not a landowner.
@@gasoven3759I am and that guy is a POS. Fuck land owners like that.
@@gasoven3759 Not the point! If he wanted them to learn... you catch more flies with honey than vinegar!
Get a game warden out next time or just call them and ask on your freetime, Cops have no clue what they are talking about sometimes but they could be right I'm not from new jersey. In my state you could walk wherever, It just has to be below the average waterline
Yea bro I’ll do that. I’ll lyk what they say
Just check with the DNR. I don’t think you are going to like what they will tell you about access rights in New Jersey.
If one side of the shore is privately owned, they own the bottom halfway into the channel. If they own both sides they own the entire bottom. The actual water is owned by the state. You have the right to canoe, kayak or float the stream or river as long as you don’t get out to wade. The minute anything attached to you touches the bottom, you are trespassing. This does not apply to shoreline owned by the state unless they post signs due to any dangerous areas.
These may well be the most respectful, well-mannered teens I’ve encountered in my 70 years.
I am 48 and I agree, these are some good boys. Their parents must be over the moon proud of them. I'm proud of them too.
This officer Needs to FOLLOW the LAW not the land hurt owner of the LAND NOT WATER ! It is ILLEGAL TO PUT A CABLE ZACROSS A MOVING BODY OF WATER!! What if those canoers had been BEHEADED BY THAT CABLE ?!!! The Officer has NO COMPULSION TO OBEY the land owner AND DISOBEY THE LAW just to ease a grippy self appreciated person !
I like how he gave you permission to be on his property to get off of not his property.
That is his right. Same as you can allow people to be on your property or to kick them off.
wonder if that road is also private??? is it up to code???
He probably owns the air in that area too. So glad he let you use the air. It was fun seeing you catch that fish. I was excited too!
This needs to be sent to the Armed fisherman!
The police officer just said: "You have to get out of the river. These guys have been here for years, and they are particular. Professionally, I don't understand the legality.. They put a cable across the river. I don't get it. But I am 'not gonna open a can of worms'".
That's fing crazy.
I do appreciate his candidness, though. Some of these silly policies can, like the kids said, be argued a bunch of different ways. Unfortunately, extremely costly lawyers and judges need to sort that out. IF indeed they don't have that particular policy regarding the waterways well defined.
But I do agree with you. Especially if this has happened often in the past, then their govt and the police should be prepared to sort it out more accurately.
@@Alstanus If I hear a law enforcement officer give me a directive such as "get out of the river".
I do not expect, "I have no idea." for the reason why.
If you are taking away my freedom of movement, you should know why.
And if you "have no idea" about a reason to take my freedom away, don't take my freedom away until you get an idea.
Especially when you are throwing out at least potentially nativists justifications such as "these guys have been here for years".
100%! This should be the only take
Water and mineral rights. Depending on the state. I had the time and checked the owners property rights. They Didn't own the river and couldn't buy the rights. They didn't like me. You did fine out there, and it is good to see youngsters behave with respect. Stay safe and tight lines.
This is New Jersey. These boys were flat-out trespassing, yet making a video anyway showing to the world that they are breaking the law.
Welcome to NJ ,the Lord of the manor owns the land !
Shariff of snoby land
@@gasoven3759 From what I can tell in reading various things, if they'd been in a boat, they'd have been fine as NJ owns all the water and wildlife in it. The second they touched the land under the water, that became a problem. Water law is always weird.
@@robertbcope You are right. Water and property rights are weird. Each state is different.
I work in Natural Resources LE and this is an unfortunately common call. We are a beachside community in Massachusetts and when summer comes and the wealthy vacationers return to their beachside homes, you would think every fisherman was a murderer on the loose. The cop was spot on with how frustratingly grey it is in the law. Private property owners in this state can own down to the low tide line, which in an area know for beach flats, can sometimes extend for almost a mile. So when someone wanders onto their stretch of beach at low tide to dig for clams or fish they throw a fit. Fortunately there’s a carve out for “fishing, fowling and navigation” (the commonwealths words not mine) so we spend a lot of time hiking out to the flats just to verify that’s what people are doing and even if their not we just tell em to collect some shells and then we go back tell the property owner “all good” and clear out. Their faces or reactions are fun to watch sometimes.
We absolutely cannot have teenagers enjoying the outdoors with fresh air and fishing! Don't they know that they should either be inside starring at their phones or taking drugs? 😂
nope, they're busy purposely trespassing to get response from dolts like you on you tube.
I'm from colorado. You are allowed to flout or walk through the water as long as you do not touch the banks of the private property, so I think it should be that way everywhere
That is not correct. I live on the Arkansas river in Colorado . If the land on both sides of the water are owned, then you not only can't wade it , you can't even touch the bottom as you row your raft down stream. Can't drop an anchor or put a sinker on the bottom. Friend got a ticket because his oar touched a rock, and the land owner caught it on video. Colorado is nuts !!!!!
yeah, it really depends on the state you live in. In MN as long as the water way is navigable you can walk up it and it's perfectly fine. In curtain states the water that goes into private property is private
It is
@@billwesner6351 😂
@@billwesner6351 western and eastern states riparian laws operate on two completely different philosophies. Western states rule on the assumption that water is scarce, therefore the landowners are granted private rights. Sounds contradictory but the laws were formed in an archaic time when life out west was hard and usage deferred to the deed holders. There may be no other waters within 20 miles and he needs it to ensure his own potable supply of water, water for livestock, operate a mill, and harvest his own fish, etc.
Essentially anything east of the Mississippi, conversely, operates under the assumption that there is enough water that you dont need to own private rights to waters in the rivers to survive or thrive. There are myriad bodies of water to fulfill the needs of anyone who might use them, from fishing and agriculture all the way to industrial needs.
I have watched way to many videos with cops, and the way this cop explains how they would have to fight the legality of fishing in that stream, made more sense to me then possibly anything I have ever heard a cop say before. My hats off to the cop for not only knowing its bullshit, the kids can't walk up that river, but also explaining it so clear, I was 100% impressed just by listing to him and how diplomatic he was about it all...
Big respect to the cops here. They handled things as gracefully as they probably could have in their situation, as I doubt the 1800’s river statute is as well known as it should be. Choosing to resolve the situation politely and carefully without charging anyone was the right move.
The cops should be fired! They even admitted they don’t know the law they are upholding! They illegally kicked those kids out.
@@JohnDoe-tt9oi The reason why I say that is, unfortunately, 7 times out of 10 those kids would have been falsely arrested. The cops were extremely transparent in this situation and exercised a degree of patience that they are rarely trained to have. There's a reason why everyone was understanding in that situation, as the statute was unclear to everyone involved.
That's why. I'm well aware of the nature of things, I just think the situation was handled much better than the average probably would have handled it.
Yes, I agree. How many times we've seen cops going to extremes when all they should have done was let people off with a warning or even just a bit of help and assistance.
That’s why you call your supervisor or the DA’s office when you don’t know the answer.
I'd walk to the middle. Tell the land owner and cop I'm fishing. You both are scaring my fish that apparently got loose, and im trying to retrieve them. If you want me out then come get me out call the game warden, maybe he is smarter. .
Post the location so everybody on RUclips goes there and this guy can be butthurt every single time 😅
That’s an excellent idea!
So all the yahoo RUclipsrs can be cited for trespassing? Gosh, that doesn't sound like the best way to win the landowner over...
I can’t believe the cop said he honestly has no idea when the kid asked him what the law was, after the cop told him to stop fishing. And that poor old man whose parents never taught him how to share…
Because most police officers don’t have to learn fish and wildlife laws, that’s a conservation officer thing
Cops cant know all the thousands of laws, he gave an honest answer and advice. No issue with that.
Game Warden would be the person to talk to.
Yeah I don’t really like the advice he gave but he deescalated things and used great judgement not going after anybody over something he wasn’t clear on. As others have mentioned they are the police not game wardens this isn’t really something they need to deal with. I’m curious why they say these guys have been doing this for years but have no idea why it’s legal but are still going to enforce it and kick them off of what should be public land. Seems like they almost deescalated things too much when at the end of the day they shouldn’t be there to do anything but enforce the law, maybe call game and fish to check it out before kicking them out?
Good, respectful kids and the officer was a good guy.
That is absolutely ridiculous for that cop to say “the only way we would know is if I gave you a summons and you took it to court and fought it.” He’s admitting to forcing something that he’s not even sure is a law or not. That’s not upholding his constitutional oath. I don’t care how nice and reasonable he is, that’s bs
They were trespassing. That’s the law. But until it’s tested in the courts you don’t know. So if the cop charges him based on the law a judge can later determine the law is unconstitutional or the charge didn’t fit that specific set of facts
Everything in this video is extremely wrong except the kids!
This cop is even wrong on hunting!!! You can “NOT” just jump out of a truck and go hunting on someone else’s property because they don’t have signs up!!! In Michigan you need written permission to hunt on someone property!
@@tigerandtap2744perhaps in Jersey but in our state staying in the waterway is “NOT” trespassing!
@@tigerandtap2744you were not trespassing you my friend are a moron