WB Makes A BIG MISTAKE Rushing DUNE 2 to Streaming
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- DUNE 3 has been CONFIRMED by Legendary Pictures to be in development, working with Denis Villeneuve to ensure they have a suitable script before they look to greenlight production. However, it's now being reported that Warner Bros. is looking to make a controversial move that could very well upset both the director and Legendary, potentially dissuading them from moving forward with Dune 3.
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FYI: The recent announcements of DEVELOPMENT of DUNE 3 by Legendary are a confirmation of facts that have been widely known since 2023. DEVELOPMENT includes the writing of the screenplay which is still happening and has been happening for several months. This video covers WB's threats to PRODUCTION, not DEVELOPMENT. Hope that clears up any confusion!
Why the robot voice?
@@MrTerrrrible It's just me reading a script
@@NerdCookiesit so funny now. The AI can sound exactly the same.
@@NerdCookies Oh you sound so different on live streams. ❤️
@@NerdCookies I thought you were AI voice for a while. Lol.
WB/AT&T: GIVE ME SPICE.
Translator: We want money and add microtransactions.
Blizzard-Chinese model
ATT no longer owns WB or Max.
Also Legendary is China owned.
@@Dularr Indeed it is. I will not got to the theater to support them.
@@Dularr Then why this story in the clip, is it true or just for shit-digging some buzz?
so, greed and stupidity kills again .
Dune is one of the only films in the last few years that actually made me want to go back to the theaters. It was worth seeing in IMAX. Everyone involved in the film's production deserves to have it continue running as long as it is financially successful and culturally relevant.
It’s crazy we always have to be worried now when movies come out!
we do?
@@celozzip yeah especially with news like this it’s quite obvious actually lol
@@celozzipoh yeah. Have you seen Star Wars? Or the Marvel movies?
but just, like, get on with living your life? @@Seven_Kingdoms77
What antichrist?????
Hey @nerdcookies you just last week said Dune 3 is likely not happening, now the controversial change of your title is not a story change, but a difference due to when the film can be streamed, thereby keeping film in theaters longer…
You think this is going to keep Denis from continuing this partial told story?
I like your commentary on published material, however your take on developing “news” stories is suspect and i wont watch your future attempts at PRESCIENCE, because i think you are getting signals and mixing them up.
Also try mentioning AT&T in the title not WB which is a film studio, AT&T as Denis said is a behemoth telecoms conglomerate out of touch with humanity. That was the named/quoted entity, not WB.
I never said it was likely not happening. I simply said that the comments indicated that it was NOT AS LIKELY as some assumed. It's not a sure thing. The proof of this is that production has not been green lit. Only development by Legendary.
@@NerdCookies i don’t think commercial entanglements will keep Denis from making this film if he really wants to tell the Messiah story which i would sure love to see.
The things you speak of are negotiating points. Again id be concerned if we are changing narratives, however this is just a part of how the money gets distributed and in cases where stories can alter human understanding the money is secondary to the TRUE ARTIST which is what Denis Villeneuve is, he has a story to tell, if he can tell it he will, the backend $ distribution is secondary to an Auteur, the message is paramount.
Just a side note. Do not order streaming services like disney+, Paramount, Max, and other studio owned services. We should only pay for central unaffiliated streaming services. When every studio and content owner starts to hold their content hostage for their own platform, we start to lose access to that content, unless you are ready to shell out serious money. And if you have Netflix, Hulu, even amazon prime, don't pay extra for the extra modules either. Force them to distribute the movies thru centralized services like they had to when we rented or bought physical media. It will save everyone money, and keep the content more accessible.
Or just use a pirate site, where the content will always be available and always be free
Or sail the high seas instead, save your money.
Because HBO didn’t exist before netflix 🙄
No deal 😂😂
I have Disney Plus, Max, Netflix, Apple TV and pay for RUclips premium and it's still significantly cheaper than dish, DirecTV or cable services.
I respect protest boycotting, but streaming services aren't going away anytime soon and for me it's just basic economics
@@LunarXZ_ Well I don't usually recommend that.
I mean Denis agreed to the 45 day window for theater exclusivity…so I don’t know why he would be upset now..
Actually, he's not. This clip is confusing: it's projecting issues that were valid in 2021, but not anymore.
Just FYI, the digital release on Amazon is scheduled for May 14th release
“The slow blade penetrates the licensing bullshit.”
Licensing bullshit has a plotarmour, nothing penetrates that!
As you understand business, you know Dune must make a gigantic profit for its financial backers; otherwise, they won't back Dune 3. So, therefore, anyone sabotaging Dune’s ability to make a big profit needs to be stopped.
Denis SPECIFICALLY negotiated the length of screen exclusivity for Dune 2. WB has honored that contractually so I cannot imagine Denis now being upset. He got the exclusive window he wanted. This is nonsense.
This. The argument in the video doesn't really make sense. He got his contracted window, the film will continue to do well in premium theatres because of the great marketing. Plus, it'll be VOD which is $25+ to 'rent'.
I do agree I think it's stupid to do it so quickly, but there is no way this hampers the development of Pt 3.
@@stephenjames4098 I strongly agree with you
All this "drama" stuff gets annoying to me. I don't care whether it's the writer, actor, producer, distributor, etc. If you want something get it in writing in the contract! Then honor that contract like an adult.
Funny to watch the channel owner totally ignore this comment while liking others. Thank you for dropping relevant and clear corrective information here.
@@bioniclelives you're welcome, I hope Elaine's not playing clickbait games
For Dune part 2 I’ve given my $40 5 times now at IMAX because I enjoy the film and the series as a whole. The Pandemic ruined part 1 for me as I couldn’t see it in theaters and had to bootleg it. Which I hated doing for one of my favorite directors. I really hope they don’t do this and respect and how the audiences have responded with multiple viewings of in theatre experience. I personally won’t enjoy the movie on streaming without the best surround sound system and the biggest TV I can afford
I don’t care if you believe. I believe!
Streaming will not affect it. I am watching it in imax today again. Streaming it is nowhere near the imax experience
Just history repeating itself.
Stage performers said the same thing about Broadway, Broadway said the same thing about Hollywood, Hollywood about foreign studios, and now it's time to attack the newest way to make movies.
Something will come along later to threaten that.
This cycle continues.
Streaming platforms don't generate money like a theatre does. People will pay $30 bucks to hit up a blockbuster or a real artistic feat. If you have Max it's for the whole catalogue - moving to an early streaming release only serves to demonstrate Warner flexing on the cinema industry, hurt its FY23/24 revenue and generate a short term blip in streams on Max.
@@blue-pi2kt No one will pay $30 for garbage which is what most movies have been. Theaters should be on their knees thanking Dennis for creating something way above the standard we get in order to justify going to the theater.
@@blue-pi2kt I hear you, but you cannot deny that the Internet video content has taken a big blow out of Hollywood and some are downright pi$$ by it. Been that way in the past, will be that way in the future. People with power don't want to give it up and they say Anything to keep it.
Take this video for instance. She's made a name for herself on this platform. Anyone in Hollywood right now would love to be a half recognized as some of the talent here on RUclips. Some even spent years crafting their talents only to get bit parts in third rate movies.
The media is changing and studios are seeing this. That's why there's a Big push for streaming. That all I'm saying.
Thank you for the news *Nerd Cookies* …I REALLY hope WB doesn’t mess this up for all of us 🤞 Denis is such a genius when it comes to adapting DUNE. and I really want to see Dune Messiah onscreen.
Veeerrrrryy, few people are still seeing it in the theater after 45 days. It was still a big success.
I went to see it in atlanta last week and had to sit towards the front because the theater was so packed. An imax theater.
while true, this could be the difference between 285-290m or reaching 300m domestic. That would be such a shame.
It’s one thing they’re a greedy monopoly but they’re not even a competent one at that. To these companies there is no art in their business, only content meant to be shat out as quick and cheap as possible for a quick buck. See the suicide squad game for further information
you got that right
@@felixruiz-zj1dq my friend just said it best, they’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.
They own it all, but they prefer to spend half to lose it all, instead of spending full and take their time for good products and win it all + twice as much. A real bunch of doctrinal idiots... That's why Monopolies are inherently bad, for everybody : no pressure since they can behave like unrivaled Kings or Emperors, hence they become lazy cash-grabbing stooges, as they feel no need to spend for developing quality material and seervices. The more lazy they can get for making money (hence power), the better it is, that's how they've been conditioned to think and behave. No wonder that such pseudo and self-proclaimed "Elite" is draining down our civilization, "deconstructing" it as they say so as to insinuate their "easy-peasy" fascism.
The have to make money to make more movies.
@@Dularr but they’d rather add to the content mill and produce a prequel spinoff show that nobody asked for
God that was 4 years ago , time flys
They have already sabotaged it.
Inserting Zendaya, women quotas, DEI.
I strongly believe they convinced DV to shorten the movie and put more action, and more Zendaya.
That's why I
Part two felt so rushed.
You complicate your life.
Yeah they're definitely not gonna wanna make a bunch of movie by making a third movie in a billion dollar franchise 🙄
IMHO, the best formula for us consumers, is not a pay-per-month or yearly subscription, but rather a pay-per-view : renting whatever you want and like, whenever you want. Those streaming companies don't even need to deploy bricks-and-mortar "shops" filled with stockrooms of DVDs and BDs for renting! The problem is that our anti-trust (+conflict of purpose and interests) laws have gone in the trash-bin : the rental boutique wants to also be the producer and editor, making the consumers/cinema lovers pay for their cupid/power-monger ill-devised business plans. It's like Blizzard who wanted to force gamers to play AAA micro-transaction games on their cell phones... When the client is considered a serf, a "faire-valoir", it means that our paradigms have been turned upside-down, and it's called fascism. When the greedy needs of a cynical few, supersedes the well-being of the multitude...
Dune Messiah has been greenlit. It's going to happen. The timing might not be to everyone's liking as Villenueve has another film (at least) to do before doing Dune Messiah. He is going to get the screenplay/script right before he goes to film. That's a definite. I'm not surprised by WB moving Dune 2 to streaming. Honestly I don't know the numbers the movie is still doing in the theaters but these days a movie rarely has more than a month (at most) in the theater anyway. WB is just trying to get more money from another revenue stream. No big shock there. It could be that people who can't afford to se the movie in the theater will see it on streaming and it will only cause more of a clamor to make Dune Messiah (in fact I'm betting on it). One question I have is in the video the horst states that Legendary and Sony have a deal now. So WB has the rights to Dune 1 and Dune 2. What if Legendary and Sony make Dune Messiah? There wouldn't (hopefully) be the conflict with Sony. Sony would probably jump a the chance to make another Dune Blockbuster.
WB: Squeeze! Squeeze hard!
But we all know what happens when you squeeze too hard. As written!
You could interpret both for being greedy in their own right. Denis wants more theater money denying the wider audience that hates sitting in a theater with others spoiling the experience. He's trying to gatehold 'the art of cinema' by saying only those who are willing to sit in a theater are true movie fans? *cough* bullshit *cough*. Now HE is the one saying he won't make the movie? In my opinion he's made a mistake by throwing a fit. The film has already made a great amount of money and was locked-in to be made despite the 'sensationalist reporting' claiming it was in any kind of jeopardy blaming WB that came out just last week. This is just more stupid drama. If the film doesn't happen it's the blame of all their behaviors, not just one entity over the other. He's already made enough millions to justify his work on the project. I'm sick of greedy millionaires crying that they didn't make even MORE millions of dollars off a single project. That amount of money is just stupid money that normal people can't even comprehend. imo he needs to just stfu and do his job and make the movie if he really cares about 'the art of cinema' not the 'art of getting paid'.
Booooooo on all the drama and sensationalist reporting.
45 days from 1st of March, is the 15th of April.
Anyone who hasn't been to see Dune 2 at the cinema by then, were never going to anyway.
Dune 3 has already been announced.
Um... What? Literally every other DUNE RUclipsr is celebrating the official announcement or DUNE 3 while Nerd Cookies is being a wet blanket, again? Your previous video was trying to predict the doom of DUNE 3 because it hadn't been officially announced and that video was almost immediately met with an official announcement for DUNE 3. So... now you are doing another fear mongering video about DUNE 3 despite the previous official announcement of DUNE 3 and that DUNE 2 has already been shown to be a huge box office hit. Just like your previous video having been proven wrong almost immediately the idea Denis Villeneuve would drop out of DUNE 3 because of an early digital release is nothing more than pointless click bait. I get that you want to protect the cinematic experience but something catastrophic would have to happen for Denis Villeneuve to not make DUNE 3. He didn’t walk away after DUNE 1 simultaneous release, so he is not going to walk away after an early digital release for DUNE 2.
I reacted excitedly to this news months ago. I guess you didn't watch that video. Excuse me if I don't want to turn a blind eye to corporate greed and try to keep reasonable expectations.
@@NerdCookies I get the point of your videos but your logic regarding the imminent doom of DUNE 3 is a bit wacky. I thought there was some credibility to your fist video until the official announcement but since the official announcement of DUNE 3, the huge Box Office and Denis Villeneuve obvious enthusiasm for DUNE 3 the credibility for this video is decidedly lacking. I've watched a lot of your videos, and this is the first time I felt that you have stepped across the line into unfounded fearmongering (about DUNE 3). If this was just a general video about the state of the movie industry, then you have a point but you are trying to scare people to believing this could mean will not get DUNE 3 which is complete b.s.
The "official announcement" you're referring to has only to do with development. Plenty of projects have been killed by studios during this time. Nothing has changed with this announcement. It's been "in development" since 2023. It's naive and foolish to consider any franchise bulletproof. Movie studios, especially studios like WB don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. As I said in this video, I only want them to make moves that ensure the greatest success and prosperity for this franchise. I strongly feel that rushing it to streaming is a BIG MISTAKE.
@NerdCookies I'm not sure where this pessimistic attitude is coming from? The chances that DUNE 3 is not going to be made is about 0.0001% and if they bring a movie to streaming early then the promotion and hype that made it successful at the cinema will have a flow on effect to it's digital release. If they wait 6 months before releasing it on digital, then that momentum will be lost, and they will have to ramp up promotion again. I think a month and a half or two months after the theatrical release is not too bad. I got the see DUNE 1 in IMAX just before the release of DUNE 2, and well after its digital release, so the opportunity to see DUNE 2 in cinemas/IMAX will come around again. At any rate, the early digital release will have zero effect on the potential release of DUNE 3. Baring any catastrophic disasters, it's going to happen.
Cookies, this is a little bit click-baity. This is what Villeneuve agreed to after the debacle of Dune Part One's simultaneous release and Dune Part Two was always planned to hit streaming mid to late April and has been listed as such for months on sites like DVD Release Dates etc.
Given the state of many countries at the time of Dune Part One's initial release, and many territories still wouldn't open cinemas, even the simultaneous release wasn't entirely unjustified. I live in one of many countries that were still under restrictions at the time and am personally grateful I was able to see it at all when it was released, no matter the format. I had to wait months to be able to watch both "Maverick" and "No Way Home" legally. I don't go for bootlegs, I support the creators.
Thanks for the feedback. I strongly feel that it's way too early to release it on streaming. Most of the issues in 2021 preventing an exclusive theater run no longer exist. Sorry that you think its click-baity but this is the only way I know how to get the message across that 6 weeks in theaters is simply not acceptable to me.
I agree, movies need a longer cinematic run but I don't think it's quite the case that production of Messiah is threatened due to this issue; unfortunately it's basically the industry model now in many cases and most creators are aware of this. After Scarlett Johansson threatened to sue for loss of income after what happened with Black Widow, I'm pretty sure most studios and creators have their ducks in a row with regards to these negotiations.
I'm 50/50 on this. I absolutely adore the movie theater experience, always have since I was a kid over 3 decades ago. But there's something to be said to be able to enjoy the movie next to your loved ones in your own home. Pause it to get get another serving of Kung pao chicken or use the rest room, or turn on closed captioning because of how the audio mix is now. When you go to a movie theater you are beholden not just to the restrictions of the theater in both comfort, time management, and also the crap shoot of those around you, but also also not only have to pay a premium for the privileged but also other cost factors such as gas, time, and schedule. If they could find a way to monetize it for all involved so that everyone benefits in a way, then I'm game for it.
The other factor why I'm 50/50 on this is the Dune universe isn't a movie universe. There's so much depth and so much story we have to skip or cut out, and quite frankly it would be awesome to see it. While die hard fans (like me) love seeing it in theaters, having it come to a streaming service sooner where a more casual fan can be hyped up about it can lead into traffic to make more series and things about that universe. There's the upcoming Sisterhood series, and it would be smart marketing to have both Dune movies available for the casual fan to enjoy it. But then again there's always the risk of too much saturation.
Well. I don't understand Denis Villeneuve. It sounds like the largest problem is his pride. Every Dune fan has seen part 2 in the cinema, and it's allready a financial succes. So what is the real problem with an early streaming? If he feels like he can make a great movie again, do it.. - Also reallease the deleted scenes plz ;-)
Bingo. The same pride that makes one think he can completely rewrite characters and change the very nature of the Fremen's religious culture. Same pride that thinks cutting scenes from a theatrical release is like a "death". Entitled and pompous.
@@faithfulsearching6452 He has an amazing talent, and makes great movies. But yeah, he can seem a bit pretentious tbh..
This video is kind of a click bait and is pretty much baseless. I don't know why you all are saying these things about DV..
Better not screw around with my sacred texts.. jihad is coming.
If they mess up Dune 3 and thus destroy potentially the best modern trilogy - i will hurt somebody at WB
They kinda already did. Alia was different and the ending was wrong. Dune 3 can't start in line with the dune storyline. There isn't really a way to get it back on track.
Thanks Elaine
Dennis negotiated the release window for Dune Part 2 and WB has honoured that. There is no way he worried by this. This movie has been a complete SUCCESS ! This video is complete nonsense tbh
Sorry that you think it's nonsense. I'm just reacting to articles I see online about this. I believe its ridiculous to move a big movie like Dune Part 2 to streaming after only 45 days...
I'm reading the same reports, and while WB/Discovery CEO David Zaslav did say that Dune: Part Two will be available on Max in the spring of 2024, corp watchers believe we're talking about a May 1 release date (but that's purely speculative). BUT... even if they do it earlier, Villeneuve's contractual theatrical window is 45 days, ending April 15.
I think May 1 is still a little early but better than mid-April.
@@NerdCookies - I get it, but any contractually compliant release to VOD will not impinge the future of Dune III in any way.
Herbert-"While we, Chani , we who carry the name of concubine-history will call us wives." Denice -Angry Zendia storms into the desert , cause she don't need no man. This hack assassinated Chani. Artistic integrity , I don't see it , all I see is the shoving of modern identity politics into a story that takes place more than 10000 years in the future. I'm sorry did not come here to troll, I'm glad that so many people seem to like his movie , but it hurt me to watch.
The wall of Sandworms with thousands of Fremen riding them, attacking the ranks of Sardukar and Harkonnen regulars, as they were gaping at an assault their minds could never have conceived of...not seeing it on IMAX is a crime.😮😮😮😳😳😳
My issue is for the price of two tickets you can buy the blu ray and play it on your own tv which may be quite large. In uk two tickets plus popcorn and drinks can set you back £40 and up plus travel. I’ve not been to the cinema since rogue one.
since Rogue one? Well you haven't missed much. BR2049, Alien Cov., Tenet, Dune P1, Oppenheimer. Those were the only ones I deemed worthy the ticket price.
Dune, both parts, really rewards watching on the biggest screen you can find with the best sound system... Sadly we've no Imax near us...
Here is my biggest issue with WB.... Their digital download codes. Other studios dont't care about expiration dates. I have used codes 5-10 years expired for Universal, Lionsgate, etc.... every one.... they do not. I could have the LOTR and Harry potter on digital, but no, they don't accept codes after expired. Blatantly ripping of customers.
Oh... and the last matrix movie.... that was terrrrrrrrible. Oh and their handling of DC comics.... Good job WB! We all hate you!
For me WB would rather kill long term profits just to keep it's streaming service up. At this point I would be ok with DUNE 3 not being made just so WB can use it to get more MAX numbers. Movies and Series are not commodities for the corporates to use as a tax write off.
Tired of endless speculations....stop blowing farts in the wind!
Honestly, it may be better to end here
What do you mean no no.3 why? It's the only good thing coming out of Hollywood currently
@@LiamCamilleri-q1w What was done with Chani, does not bode well for the sequel
@@gups4963Nothing was done to Chani other than giving her some actual personality and an opportunity to voice her own opinions over the future of her people rather than being a bland one dimensional love interest and baby factory for Paul.
I love the books and te majority of characters but book Chani especially in the first book is pretty forgettable and only really exists to provide Paul with what he needs.
@@gups4963dude do you really think that can’t be fixed? Not very much imagination required to see how that could be done, easily
@@simonorourke4465 You mad bro? We've seen what happens when Hollywood inflicts their will on books written by actually competent writers.
Shes's a secondary character, she was never meant to be the focus of the story. Yes, she is a glorified baby factory, because that is what the story needs to advance said story. You have Jessica, Alia, Irulan, Ghanima etc etc etc. Don't let the story get lost in a side quest that wasn't even in the books.
What I really want is the extended version
Blame Villeneuve... he will never release one as personal choice. Straight from the horses mouth. not even deleted scenes.
@@chasx7062I respect that though. It is what it is
@@christiansather8438I don't, primarily because we didn't even get complete films. We got cut to the bone monstrosities that look nice on an IMAX screen. Talk to me in five years when these films are forgotten because they have no watchability at home and are emotionally and spiritually hollow, with a barren world that eschews actual depth beyond the audiovisual.
@@humbleopulence In what other medium do artists of Denis’ caliber release fragments of what could have been? We got spoiled with the LotR. I don’t know if it’s the case with you, but I feel like that extended trilogy set some sort of unrealistic standard in my head. We don’t fucking need to see a lopsided extended version! It kills directors to have to cut certain things. Listen to DV talk about it.
So much work goes into editing the film down to the final cut, so it would throw the whole thing off. I assume it’s at least a year of just editing. It’s fucking hard work.
Like I said, we got spoiled by LotR extended… but LotR were made all at the same time, starting in the early 90s. They released one year after the next starting in 2001.
I honestly think DVs Dune is treading different waters and I think they pulled off something amazing. It can’t hold a candle to LotR, imo, but people seem to love it and I that’s all i could hope for. And if it turns people onto the books that could only be a plus for society.
So, yeah, Dune had to sell the first one to have a second green lit. It’s unfortunate the Dune trilogy is going to take the better part of a decade to be seen as a whole… I personally feel the LotR extended versions aren’t paced well and it makes it feel like something is off. Peter Jackson even stands by the theatrical cuts as being the definitive versions.
I honestly enjoy the movies more watching at home. Its stimulation overload in IMAX.
Your comment sounds so pedantic. Anyone who respects the insane amount of work that goes into making these film adaptations a success, as DVs team has, they wouldn’t fuss like you. If you think getting an extended version is going to fix all your problems, then I feel like you have deeper issues.
DV tells poetry with the visuals and I love his adaptation. I’m a huge lover of the books and understand film enough to not to fuss over it not hitting every beat I want it to. Visually it’s a 10/10. Hard to argue. Even on smaller screens I find it looks great.
It is what it is.
Well since Dune part 2 has been on piratesites on good quality for a couple of days now, it will be likely that it will be on streaming soon.
I drove 7h back and forth to see DP2 in glorious 1.4:1 IMAX. Amazing unparalleled experience, but now i cannot go back to watch it in cropped anamorphic format. So a repeated viewing in cinema is out of the question. I am waiting for the blu-ray, the sooner the better. A 6-week exclusive theatrical run for a movie, that wont hit a billion in ticket sales is IMHO fair and OK. Sorry Denis, i can understand WB's position.
They are still trying to push streaming because all of these studios are struggling with profitability. AMAZON even pissed people off by putting ads on there all because their hardware suppliers became a Trillion dollar company. I don't see why they can't wait until the end of the month to puth DUNE PART TWO on the streaming network. Maybe they know people are gonna flock and get it on 4K UHD and Blu Ray / DVD format instead. I know I will. LOL.
i can't tell if you're just genuinely spinning out with worry or trying to make misleading clickbait but i hope you go back to your usual good content soon
It's just an opinion video based on some articles I've been seeing. Sorry you don't like this content. 😔
@@NerdCookies it just seems like a lot of unwarranted negativity and trying to read the tea leaves (as there's really very little concrete news)
your thoughtful writing is just more interesting and substantial than this stuff
I understand how it can come across as negative, but please understand that this is my attempt to call attention to what I think would be a terrible move by Warner Bros. It comes from a place of profound positivity actually. I want Villeneuve's Dune cinematic franchise to succeed and whenever there are threats or concerns against that I don't want to turn a blind eye. I'd rather spotlight it so we can let the studios know that we don't want them to let short term greed get in the way of art.
no after how he fucked up parts 1 and 2 i'm fine w him not doing dune 3.
Both parts were incredible so that's just like your opinion man, also Dune Messiah has been greenlit and will be made. Can't wait for it 😊
@@fullMetaLxMantis nope they weren't. i can't believe im saying this but the butchered lynch version was far truer to the spirit of the books than the french asshole ever could wish for.
Use your real voice please! Ai voiceover is so much noticeable as well as annoying at the same time.
It's not AI :)
@@NerdCookies I can't believe this, it sounding very AI.
ok.. i was worried it was a writting or filming issue. Instead it's a streaming issue.. So we're fine.
I didn't watch part 1 in the cinema and I felt obligated to go see part 2 just to contribute to the Box office. I wanted to watch it multiple times but honestly the cinemas close to me are decadent. It's been 7 years since I went to the cinema, since Doctor Strange 1.
I want to watch Dune part 2 at home with a better image, not washed out and with true black.
But I can wait, in the meantime I play Dune: Spice Wars to pass the time and when I'm not in the mood to play I watch someone else playing. These films really elevated Dune to a higher level, never imagined I would spend many hours of my life with Dune.
I didn't realize till the last 5 seconds of the video how loud my computer was playing this video and my whole house would've heard girl speaking about Dune in a android-like voice for 10 mins straight.
So 45 days was the known minimum exclusive theater run. It's a bit short but it wasn't a surprise this time. If Villeneuve and Legendary have a big issue with it they can get WB to agree to 60 or 75 days for pt 3. Probably 90 days isn't helpful to anyone in the etertainment landscape today.
The first 1 went straight to streaming and the 2nd one has made its budget and marketing back in a month. So why keep splitting revenue with theaters when the return is less. They gonna be able to rent it and probably boost max subscription
Dune 2 on streaming mid April would lose the movie 75 million, and most likely more at the Box Office! Apparently, all the head of studios in Hollywood are I-D-I-O-T-S! 🤦♂
Concerning Dune 3, with the Dune novel, you could make - and they have - two(2) very good movies, BUT Dune Messiah, I have serious doubts; there aren't enough action scenes to make a movie without seriously diverging from the source material.
You could make a good movie with Children of Dune, but that's about it, but not with the only material found in Dune Messiah.
Well, the biggest sabotage of d'une 3 was Zendaya giving us the eyebrows at the end of part 2. Who wants to see more After this?
No movie company should be so myopic as to kill their income by hamstringing its films' success in the box office. $600M for Dune Part TWo worldwide? That is amazing, and I am glad, as someone who has loved Dune since the '84 film, and rereads the novel frequently. I may not have agreed with a lot of the creative decisions Villeneuve made, but he did craft another beautiful film well worth seeing in IMAX. (Like Dune Part One, and Blade Runner 2049 before it). Dune Part Two must be allowed to continue its theatrical run, unfettered by premature moving to streaming.
Perhaps I am spitballing here, but I also see this as another effort to kill the physical media market. I prefer physical media over digital streaming. If I buy something, it is mine. I don't want to pay for a digital license that can be revoked at any time for any reason, and not get my money back as a result.
Thanks for the analysis. My response is: "Whatever." Hollywood's trials, tribulations and high drama (especially among prima donna directors and film/entertainment executives) bores me to tears. As far as these new Dune movies, I'll wait until Dune 2 comes out on DVD and check it out at my local library for free like I did with Dune 1. If Dune Messiah ever comes out, I'll do the same. If it never gets produced, I always have the much better SciFi mini series of "Dune" and "Children of Dune" in my home DVD collection to watch.
I don't know the legal workings between Legendary and WB, but if Legendary put up 80% of the money for Dune 2 I would think that they would have a majority stake in it's ownership. My point being, couldn't Legendary find a different producer to market Dune 3?
My experience seeing Dune: Part Two in the theater was phenomenal, but both my health and my budget prevent me from a second trip.
I’ve preordered Dune: Part Two, and I really need it to deliver on April 16.
Denis Villeneuve negotiated a 45 day theatrical window, and that works out to April 16.
Greed at the expense of Art. At the expense of the People. Is a major feature of Capitalism. Given the popularity of Frank Herbert's work(s) and the phenomenal presentations by Villeneuve, I can foresee the People rising to form a movement that will punish WB.
So we thought Legendary was dragging their feet on the franchise while WB was supportive. Turns out Denis is taking a wait and see attitude while WB are being greedy scum. Of course box office revenue going increasingly to the theaters means WB cares less and less about whether or not that revenue exists-they've made THEIR money off it. Line go up.
I've already preordered on Amazon. Looks like Max just lost my business. They should give it another 45 days in theaters, then release it on VOD to buy or rent, then after another 45 days they can put it up on max.
I have been very skeptical of the 2 new Dune movies I maybe in the minority but I liked Lynch's film of course the extended 4k edition you can get on RUclips, but I have been surprised how much I like the new films I have seen part one like 5 times just to make sure I see everything it has to offer. There are a few things I don't like but overall a sound addition to the Dune Franchise. Big studios care about the bottom line creativity is secondary. I hope they don't hinder The Dune Messiah
Corporate execs tend to be blind to things like "artistic integrity". They're also unconcerned with how their single-minded quest for the greatest possible short term profits affects other businesses like movie theaters. They want their shareholders to receive maximum return on investment, so the board will happily disgorge executive bonuses and pay raises. Remember, greed is good!/sarcasm
I wonder if HBOs planned released of their series "Dune: Prophecy" plays any role in this?
The streaming mentality has been to burn down the future for APPEARANT short term gains.. it really boils down to announcements that can be rolled out to keep.stock prices over inflated. Short term gain with massive debt consequences at the end of the road. As an result all of cultural entertainment suffers long term set backs just so a CEO can point to short term gains and justify a bigger bonus check.
My watch was buzzing through all of Dune2, it started with 90db and maxed at 102db at one point. That is dangerously loud. I would prefer to watch on Max.
Dear Legendary,
Get Villeneuve to film a post credit scene with Jason Momoa being made into a Ghola of Duncan Idaho and rerelease Dune part 2 by July 4 in special edition and maybe even clean up the ending of the film and you can have your time in the theater. Otherwise WB go about your business because Villeneuve did not stick the landing of the film.
does legendary has a contract with warner brothers for dune 3? from the sound of how the director said he would love to do the movie in 3 parts , it seems that the contract doesnt go that far. so, if legendary can go without warner brothers , why not go with SONY? i mean, denis's previous works like the blade runner 2049 was done with sony. you know, familiar people.
In my area, Dune is gone from IMAX and now only available in standard format. Hardly worth the money. I already pre-ordered my 4K Blu-Ray of Dune 2. :-)
I'd much prefer to watch a movie at home rather than a theater. First of all there is the economic advantage. If I have popcorn and a drink it's not $15. I can pause it to make a sandwich or go to the bathroom. I can drink beer or have cocktails or whatever 😉 in peace. I don't have to sit around annoying inconsiderate people that'll hold full conversations with each other or talk on the phone or who've seen it before and blurt out spoilers. I can make the sound as loud or as quiet as I wish. I can replay the parts I like, or maybe to catch subtle nuances that might be missed because of the person squeezing past me as they return from the concession stand or bathroom. I have a huge hi-def TV and a good sound system. Why would I want to go to a theater? Theaters have practically priced themselves out of existence. If a movie is subpar as many movies are these days, I can not finish it and I'm not out $50 or more. It's streaming for me all the way.
Why am I not surprised? It doesn't really matter what the product or service is, or does: when business, especially big business, gets involved in something, it ceases to be about that thing, and instead becomes about how much money can be made, how much profit can be wrung out. Unfortunately for the film industry, it has wholly subscribed to this philosophy, with the success or failure of any given film measured by how much money it takes at the box office balanced against how much is spent making it.
I understand to some degree that this is how any economy works, but in the case of the movie industry, given that the whole industry of entertainment is undergoing rapid and widespread diversification, it is clear that many entertainment media have lost, or are losing, sight of what exactly it is they are doing. For them it has become wholly about the money, but in focussing on this sole aspect, they may end up killing the industry.
Economics is a subject I do not understand. It seems that it's single rule is 'Growth is Good'. Yet there are very few systems where sustained growth is completely supportable, and in biology, something that continuously grows is viewed with great wariness, even concern, and may need to be cut out of an organism if it is considered to be excessive. In this regard, business, and especially big business, seem more like cancers to me than something sustainable.
For far too long, people have been shrugging their shoulders and saying: "Well, that's show business."
Perhaps, as levels of corporate business greed are reaching even greater heights, more people are waking up to the fact that such a system, with it's hunger for yet more profit, is actually bad for things like entertainment!
Tbh Dune Part 2 is arriving at the end of its box office.Maybe if Godzilla x Kong had not been released in end of march it could have made a little bit more. But the movie is nearing the end of its run at the box office. Don't see it having much gas in the tank, atleast not enough to hit 700 milion. I think at this point whoever wanted to see the movie already has, multiple times.
As the movie's distributor, they have a right to display the movie any way they want. Theaters are flatlining and kicking and screaming to stay alive, calling out "social interaction" and "traditional film experience" when the public has demonstrated with their money, they aren't interested in movie theaters. We are in the middle of a paradigm change from theaters to home watching being the main venue of movies. The "art of cinema" is another hollow argument in the same vein of movies going from black and white to color back in the mid 20th century.
Warner Bros. has a lot of problems, so hearing stuff like this isn’t a surprise.
you got that right
pre order sales are exceeding the box office... I hate to say it, we may never see a good ending to dune because this country went bankrupt in the 80's. Greed destroys everything. The spice may not flow... But neither will the green...
WB is a dirty grimy company. Actions like this (if it occurs) are exactly what the entire industry doesn’t need. If they do this I wouldn’t blame Denny for a second if he pulls out and moves on
I'm 52, love movies, love going to the theater, lover the shared experience and I love when movies are made according to the creators hopes and desires. Why are brain dead executives (most seem to be, im sure there are a few decent ones here and there) who barely know what they market have any say in the matter. Their only job should be the successful marketing of the art to as big of an audience as possible. Period. I say my age just so you know I'm no spring chicken and understand most movies are a hard compromise between the creators and studios. The only real parameters a studio should ask the artists to adhere to is the budget and run time.
I bet if enough of us banded together, let's say, start a group and our voices carried loud enough, I bet these creative killing corporate troglodytes would hear us!
Just like when people banded together regarding the game-stop stock!
The sad truth is this whole controversy is effectively moot because high-quality copies of Dune: Part Two are already available on pirate file-sharing
Whenever Beancounters start to get deeply involved in artistic and social activities, we all lose. Thanks for an excellent discussion Elaine. We the fans need to know what’s going on so that we can support Denis. Freedom!
they shouldnt make a third one. Wasn't the messiah a massive villain who caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people .
Who'd wanna view a grim film like that? Also didn't he turn into some sort of gross worm abomination? ..... not much of a hero.
Move on.
All I know is, it's highly likely AT&T is currently developing armies of battle droids as we speak. #WorstCompanyEver
I wish the movie made more money. Barely getting to 700 is fine but not that exciting. Imma be annoyed when Godzilla Kong passes it.
Looks like film makers and actors are going to have to make sure they have the fine print including streaming service purchases and views as part of their contracts. It's all about the money.
Don’t really care they make part 3. Going to be a Chani takes down Paul film. Going to be a feminist woke shit show and nothing like messiah.
thank Jah it will be on streaming soon ... movies theatres except for Imax is dead ... what these rich directors don't get is most people don't care about their "art" ... they just want to be entertained.
The never-ending quest for obscene profits by WB (or any large entity), sully anything & everything it touches.
First movie for me held hope despite minor changes in lore. Second film dashed it with so radical departures of character and lore especially Chani. Left me feeling like i had been baited in the first film and switched in the second. I no longer have hope for Messiah and don't give a damn if it's made.
here we go again, WB always makes bad decisions, no matter how hard they try they won't be able to get their streaming service up, they are just sabotaging an incredible movie that could be a bigger hit
Yeah Warners Brother’s decision is a very bad, short sighted idea that was made just from greed for their own bottom line 😡 Thai is ridiculous
I kinda wonder if there is more to this story. Specifically thinking that the Director could stand to lose money by the movie ending its theatrical run early?
The actors and director are just mad because THEY won't make as much money. Go on strike again. No one really cares anymore.
I'd honestly go and see it again if it was still at the IMAX, I love Bill Murray, but that's not a movie that needs that kind of screen.
OK I just looked on Amazon it says release for part 2 streaming is 15 April 2024 so they did it god help us all
It's because there is an obvious parallel with the Arab Palestinians and the Fremen. The Harkonnens with the Israelis.
45 days after theatre release if that’s in the contract and all the parties have agreed to that, that’s what should happen there people who are waiting for this as this the cheapest option for them. It can be very expensive to go to the movies
I agreed that the best experience is to watch these movies is in the cinema
It's too late, Denis. All your film belongs to us. AI can replace you...ha!ha!ha!ha!