I'm actually surprise this got a very low score because I actually enjoyed the episode a lot. The only thing I would change is the villain. Should've probably been a younger version of Vilgax since the two had history of beef with each other. And that was before, not counting the end of Omniverse, either of them knew about the Omnitrix's existence.
I too keep this episode in high regard. It's cute. However if you binge watch uaf, I can see how this clutters the watchlist, since nothing happens that moves the plot along. It's nice to see on it's own.
This makes me realize something. We've never seen Max and Verdona interact beyond this episode. Seriously, imagine if Omniverse had an episode of them working together for some case, and they still act love dovey.
Oh yeah.. Verdonna is Ben's grandmother and yet the episode where she is young and met Max.. she left.. so we just.. assume she came back or Max met her again in space for them to conceive? Also.. if it was in space.. Verdonna just let her kid go to Earth and not care? There is just a few things that are confusing...
Yea, like youd think Verdona would have came back to visit once she learned Grandpa was still alive, I think we see her exactly one more time very randomly in UA and that's it, nothing more, she never comes to to try and train Gwen or visit them or anything, despite something like that being an easy way to bring her back for an episode, like man it's disappointing, because Verdona and the Anodites are so fucking cool, but we barely ever hear or especially see them outside of Gwen and her Anoditd form (though I do like that she started using her Anodite abilities more in Omniverse, but they really nerfed the hell out of her so that Ben could still have the spotlight and save the day, which sucked, like I bet the writers have some kind of excuse as to why "Lucky Girl" Gwen couldn't kick everybody's asses in mere moments anytime she appeared, but it still sucks seeing such a powerful character nerfed just so that Ben isn't outshined)
It would have been better if the robot was removed, and it mainly focused on Max and Verdona meeting and just having some dumb, reckless fun. We would see that she hasn't changed all that much, and what originally drew Max to her, and we get to see Max at a younger point in his life when he was more like Ben, impulsive, but loyal. Maybe he isn't kicked out of the Air Force but leaves by his own accord to join the Plumbers to continue to spend time with her, with the flashback ending with him packing to head to the Plumber academy where he asks her if she'll be open for a date when he has a day off, and she just smiles before saying she likes his spark and flies off.
@@kristelvidhi5038 yeah I feel he was too harsh. Like i get tho, even when i rewatched this I didn’t enjoy it that much but 0 plot and 5/25 overall is way too low esp compared to some other breakdown scores imo.
Especially since we know that the two faced off atleast a couple of times. Would've been cool if vilgax was the reason max got into the plumbing business in the first place
I did love this episode, it was great to learn more about max and verdona, how they met, when he joined the plumbers, plus it was really sweet, I wish in either ultimate alien or omniverse for verdona to come back to earth to spend some time with max and maybe they can share some stories and then gwen can show how much shes improving or she already knows cause of their mana connection or something
They’d have to do something to make Verdona not the worst character ever first. Also some type of explanation for how the grandkids didn’t even know her name. They seemed shocked they even had a grandma
On note that I’d like to point out is how young Max actually does look a little similar to Kevin which Ben pointed out when he lent Kevin the tux in the episode that introduced the Big Chilldren
It’s hard to make robots without reusing the same voice if they had the same kind of vocals as humans they’d be reinterpreted as either a guy in a mechanical suit or a cyborg
I don't think this episode was as bad as you do, but I can see where you come from. It _does_ feel like filler & the worst kind where it doesn't matter, but I do remember enjoying it when I saw it back in 2011.
"Forgettable" is the right word, cuz i honestly forget this one exist at times. Seeing Labrid again is enough to give me glee, but that's it. I want to think Max saying "Good night Verdona" should be romantic, but then i remember Xylene....
Personally, I love this episode. The robot did what it needed to and I loved its design. Very doctor who-esque. I loved young Max as a character, Verdona was a little disappointing, she should've been given more to do and say, and I still laugh at the "it sounds like an astronaut, son" scene.
I always imagined a flash back ep about Max could of been cool if it focused on max and his old crew against young Vilgax like in the classic flash back in secrets Could of squeezed Verdona in their post Vilgax battle if you had to (cause Myaxx is sadly not used again)
I'm surprised you didn't mention the obvious parallel between Young Max and Kevin. To me that was always the point of the episode (although not executed the best especially since Kevin doses off during the story) I feel like this could have been a 2 parter or something that shows how Gwen and Kevin's relationship functions and how it parallels Max and Verdona. Maybe even explaining that Max has a soft spot for Kevin for reminding him of his younger years. I'll agree that storywise it isn't the best episode, same for visually but something about seeing young Max mess with his car to parallel Kevin just makes me happy. They could have done more of that. Maybe have Max tell Gwen earlier in the season that Kevin reminds him of himself as a way to get her to understand that he's not a bad guy or maybe flash to a few other points in time to show Max and Verdona having kids and how Max grows whilst Verdona never changes.
I found the episode charming. I agree it was not as interesting as most usual episodes, but I’d more often revisit this one compared to a frustrating watch like Duped.
I legitimately forgot this episode existed and didn't remember anything you brought up about it. If that shows you how badly this went I don't know what does.
i swear there was a mention ages ago to compare an earlier episode with this one involving where the two met i believe or smthn. NEVERMIND HE CARRIED THROUGH WITH DISCECTING IT IN the breakdown of the episode "The Purge" thanks.. i havent been watching these breakdowns since the end of alien force season 1 and i kinda forgot about it for a bit but this is nice. going on a binge rn.
I will give the creative team props for doing flashback episodes. This episode and Solitary Alignment are interesting writing experiments to see if they could tell a different kind of story in the Ben 10 universe. Two of the best episodes of Samurai Jack do this too. Tale of X-9 and The Princess and the Bounty Hunters barely have the main character in them at all but tell stories from different perspectives in the same world and do it very well.
I was actually waiting for a breakdown of this episode as it’s my favorite, as I like the scenes with Max and Verdona. But honestly, that’s it. I honestly forgot that a Robit wanted to get Verdona as a Battery source, it might have been cool if we saw a young Vilgax since Max did have a rivalry with him like in OS. I still enjoy this for the most part, as it’s kinda guilty pleasure.
The real interesting thing I found about this episode (apart from counting as the series' mandatory entry where Ben only transforms into one alien form), is that the energy extractor that the episode's antagonist uses at the end of the episode, resembles the viewing sensor the Martians use in the 1953 film version of War of the Worlds. They even incorporate the heat ray sound effect from the same film, as it powers up!
Hm, I see, fair and valid points and opinions, it’s a shame that a Episode like this ended not being that much in grand scheme of things for you, let’s hope Next Episode is a little more promising. Anyway, glad to see that the Reviews are back.
'Aw man!' must've been Grandpa Max's reaction. I wonder how Grandpa Max must be feeling... He gets this for a episode which is supposed to be focused on him despite being one of the best characters in the classic continuity. His cooking is generally disapproved by people. Alien Swarm don't even call him 'Grandpa' which I extremely disapprove of. They don't portray him right. After classic, he isn't a main character and is demoted to reoccurring. He doesn't get the Omnitrix despite it being meant for him and only gets it in a parallel universe. Then again, he's definitely proud of his grandchildren. Not to mention the reboot doing him dirty in the way he portray him... Several of his partners are executed. Ben doesn't see him as his vision and sees a smoothie. He constantly has to deal with Ben's immaturity due to the execute producers abusing their powers. He also had to deal with Ben speaking to him rudely in 'Kevin 11'. He doesn't have the best of luck in regards to him getting to stay with his love interests. He has presbyopia. Like Kevin, he doesn't have the best of luck in this episode with people and his vehicles. His Omniverse design doesn't respect his eyes... No wonder he lashed out in: ruclips.net/video/sW1M-SSnRrE/видео.html | Got to really hand it to him, man; he's gone through a lot of shit - despite which he still manages to have one of the best spirits in Ben 10.
Here me out. I think this episode should've come before we actually met Verdona. Cut out the parts where Max is telling the story and just frame it as a normal episode. Then have the episode where the Trio meet Verdona and go from there. I feel like it could actually work with setting something up and then paying it off later. So putting this earlier in the series could work.
this is like Gwen's average days episode. I actually don't mind this episode. It's certainly not great, but I enjoyed it personally. Even with it's flaws
This is probably the breakdown score i disagree with the most. This is one of my favorite episodes of the season, and i find Max's youth and encounter with Verdona to be super engaging. And yes, i understand wanting the plot to be bigger in scale, but i wouldn't hold that against an episode that can stand on it's own just fine. I will agree that we totally deserved Xylene's story as well Glad to see the breakdowns back. Looking forward to the rest of the season.
Imagine if we'd gotten a prequel series centred around Max's journey from regular military man to legendary Plumber Magister known and respected across the galaxy. It would obviously be a very different show from the original series but I think they could make it work by having many of the aliens, both allies and enemies, that Max encounters be iconic ones that Ben has turned into. Like, imagine watching Max 1v1 a Tetramand using martial arts, or get into a shoot out with a Pyronite criminal.
I had an idea for something called “Max’s Plumber Files.” Which is basically Max talking about his personal experience with Ben’s Aliens species. For example he fought a Tetramand once that had a mutation that gave them 8 arms, or he once came across a Necrofriggan that then froze him just to laugh at him and leave. Stuff like that. Idk I think it would make a better episode then this one? It could even be like Interdimensional Cable from Rick and Morty and become a every now and again episode
Harsher than I'd expect, but I don't disagree with anything you said. The sets are so barren. I kinda want to edit it to be in black and white just to add any flavour And yeah the timeline thing annoys me. The best thing about it is that it's a story being told, so I can elect to ignore it as Max's inane ramblings
She's honestly really unimportant and her never coming back again is one of the reasons why. This episode is super lame and definitely not an essential watch, one of the most justified quick review treatments you could get honestly.
Honestly expected importance to be higher in terms of chronology since we retroactively get Carl and Frank and they’ll give us Ben and Gwen who becomes 2 of the greatest heroes in the galaxy
kuro has a point about the all blue scales, WHY IT HAS TO BE ALWAYS NIGHT COLOURS!? Its nice to see max and verdona past, but it would be more interesting like they may could have the inspector 13 instead the generic robot thing. Labrid was good :D i only wish ONE SINGLE FREAKING EPISODE were verdona and max reunite and verdona decide to stay with max till be passez away
I know Max has some DC/Fawcett Comics Captain Marvel/Shazam in his inspiration and design, I see a bit of Hal Jordan in there as well with Max seemingly having been in the Air Force before joining the Plumbers.
While I would say this episode is mid. I would not have completely eviscerated it like you did kuro. I think a lot of visual stuff you pointed out this time was honestly kinda nitpicky to be specific and the premise honestly does a lot to Carry the episode
I feel like they tried to make Max more interesting than they needed to for us but this wasn't really that needed. If anything though this would've fit perfectly in the Missing Max arc of Alien Force or something close to that, or hell, the final season of Ben 10, but this is too far into the series, it's a bit too late to have us more interested in the character than how we're already are, but I saw what they were going with this.
The issues listed here aside, with an episode dedicated to delving into Max's past, I feel it should've been a 2-parter instead of a single episode. I also like how young Verdona's dress colors matches Ben's shirt from the OG series.
Synthesoid : Your weapons cannot hurt me ! Max beats him with a Crowbar.... That's literally sums up major problem with Ultimate Alien..... Contradicting their own stories.....
This is is a good case of why sometimes it's best to leave things a mystery. Even ignoring how I preferred the original Plumbers as an earth organization that had limited knowledge, the ambiguity and gaps left things to be interesting, and if you're going to replace a mystery with a bland story, then you're just wasting time and effort.
I don't think it's bad episode, but I see where Kuro is coming from. Max's origin story had so much potential and this episode does feel like it only scrapes the surface of that. You could've done an entire arc around that. Past villains that fought Max when he was a plumber come back and have to fight Ben now, hell you could even use Vilgax for that. Dude was wasted in AF S3.
I have two questions for Kuro: Did you go into this knowing it would be a mini breakdown or only decide to do so upon realizing how dull the episode was? And was there anything that pointed to the Episdoe taking place in St. Louis? In “the Visitor” Gwen said that’s where Grandma and Grandpa met
This episode makes me wish we had a spin-off show about max's past and career
If this episode was received a lot better then it could have been a back door pilot to said spin off.
@@alissafioravanti832 Prequel not spinoff.
Yeah similar to Gotham. Focuses on Jim Gordon as a detective and Bruce Wayne's younger years.
Me too bro
Better Call Max
I'm actually surprise this got a very low score because I actually enjoyed the episode a lot. The only thing I would change is the villain. Should've probably been a younger version of Vilgax since the two had history of beef with each other. And that was before, not counting the end of Omniverse, either of them knew about the Omnitrix's existence.
Eh I got the impression that the day Max got Vilgax stuck to a nuke was the only time they ever met
I too keep this episode in high regard. It's cute. However if you binge watch uaf, I can see how this clutters the watchlist, since nothing happens that moves the plot along.
It's nice to see on it's own.
That could've elevated the story a LOT.
@@skibot9974 not gonna lie, Vilgax blowing up is funny
@@pogggaming4470 and badass
This makes me realize something. We've never seen Max and Verdona interact beyond this episode. Seriously, imagine if Omniverse had an episode of them working together for some case, and they still act love dovey.
Oh yeah.. Verdonna is Ben's grandmother and yet the episode where she is young and met Max.. she left.. so we just.. assume she came back or Max met her again in space for them to conceive? Also.. if it was in space.. Verdonna just let her kid go to Earth and not care? There is just a few things that are confusing...
Then Xylene suddenly shows up
@@hessiankyojin
Max: "It's harem time!"
@@BaconNuke She did come back and she raised her kids with max until they were adults (before ben and gwen were born).
Yea, like youd think Verdona would have came back to visit once she learned Grandpa was still alive, I think we see her exactly one more time very randomly in UA and that's it, nothing more, she never comes to to try and train Gwen or visit them or anything, despite something like that being an easy way to bring her back for an episode, like man it's disappointing, because Verdona and the Anodites are so fucking cool, but we barely ever hear or especially see them outside of Gwen and her Anoditd form (though I do like that she started using her Anodite abilities more in Omniverse, but they really nerfed the hell out of her so that Ben could still have the spotlight and save the day, which sucked, like I bet the writers have some kind of excuse as to why "Lucky Girl" Gwen couldn't kick everybody's asses in mere moments anytime she appeared, but it still sucks seeing such a powerful character nerfed just so that Ben isn't outshined)
It would have been better if the robot was removed, and it mainly focused on Max and Verdona meeting and just having some dumb, reckless fun. We would see that she hasn't changed all that much, and what originally drew Max to her, and we get to see Max at a younger point in his life when he was more like Ben, impulsive, but loyal.
Maybe he isn't kicked out of the Air Force but leaves by his own accord to join the Plumbers to continue to spend time with her, with the flashback ending with him packing to head to the Plumber academy where he asks her if she'll be open for a date when he has a day off, and she just smiles before saying she likes his spark and flies off.
I feel like the executives wouldn't approve it because it would be a more slice of life episode in an action show.
There should've been more episodes about Max's past like this.
agreed
@@bobbyahmad5197 and Kuro should've given this episode more respect.
@@kristelvidhi5038 ikr, what a let down
@@kristelvidhi5038 yeah I feel he was too harsh. Like i get tho, even when i rewatched this I didn’t enjoy it that much but 0 plot and 5/25 overall is way too low esp compared to some other breakdown scores imo.
More past episodes, more young Max, more early plumbers, more Verdona, more Xylene
Max to Carl and Frank:
"And this is how I met your mom"
Might have been cool to see a young vilgax try to kidnap verdonna insted, might have been a good start to the tennyson vilgax rivalry.
Especially since we know that the two faced off atleast a couple of times. Would've been cool if vilgax was the reason max got into the plumbing business in the first place
I don't think vilgax should be getting involved with max's first alien encounter, everything else would be a let down
That or have the Synthezoid be a prototype Techadon robot?
@@johnnygyro2295 basically like the Synthezoid being the T-1s from terminator 3 while the techadons we get in present time being like the T-800?
@Axel Nilsson
I guess? I'm not an expert on Terminator.
I did love this episode, it was great to learn more about max and verdona, how they met, when he joined the plumbers, plus it was really sweet, I wish in either ultimate alien or omniverse for verdona to come back to earth to spend some time with max and maybe they can share some stories and then gwen can show how much shes improving or she already knows cause of their mana connection or something
Do you like it because it's a good episode or because the idea and concept sounds great?
@@N.I.A23 both
They’d have to do something to make Verdona not the worst character ever first. Also some type of explanation for how the grandkids didn’t even know her name. They seemed shocked they even had a grandma
@@vullord666 no Ben and Gwen knew they had a grandma max just didn’t say anything about her you know being so secretive
Seeing Magister Labrid again was such a nice touch.
The immense joy when i saw this notification man😭 so happy to see these breakdowns again
Don't even remember why they stopped, but the other content has been fun
On note that I’d like to point out is how young Max actually does look a little similar to Kevin which Ben pointed out when he lent Kevin the tux in the episode that introduced the Big Chilldren
I'm calling them the big chilldren from now on, that is absolutely magnificent
The only simularities i see is the body type and shape of chin
I like that Verdona’s dress looks like Ben’s classic shirt
Would be hilarious if Carl wore that when he was 10
You really hit the nail on the head when you said the synthoid sounded like every other robot
Considering that in ben 10 theres been robots with personality
Well
Seems right to me
It’s hard to make robots without reusing the same voice if they had the same kind of vocals as humans they’d be reinterpreted as either a guy in a mechanical suit or a cyborg
I don't think this episode was as bad as you do, but I can see where you come from. It _does_ feel like filler & the worst kind where it doesn't matter, but I do remember enjoying it when I saw it back in 2011.
"Forgettable" is the right word, cuz i honestly forget this one exist at times. Seeing Labrid again is enough to give me glee, but that's it.
I want to think Max saying "Good night Verdona" should be romantic, but then i remember Xylene....
Speaking of Xylene: Gwen mentioned that Max met their grandma in St. Louis so did the flashback take place there?
I never skip this episode on rewatch ❤️😭. It's really nice. Well what's done is done. But your work is awesome as always ❤️✨
Cmon man 😭. This deserved a full breakdown ❤️😭
Doesn't sound like Kuro had enough to say about it for a full episode.
Aw man, I wanted I wanted a full episode review.
sadly no bro, besides moonstruck was still very good and beautiful
Damn It,I Was Really Hoping That Kuro Would Love This.
Personally, I love this episode. The robot did what it needed to and I loved its design. Very doctor who-esque. I loved young Max as a character, Verdona was a little disappointing, she should've been given more to do and say, and I still laugh at the "it sounds like an astronaut, son" scene.
At least we got a quick review
I always imagined a flash back ep about Max could of been cool if it focused on max and his old crew against young Vilgax like in the classic flash back in secrets
Could of squeezed Verdona in their post Vilgax battle if you had to (cause Myaxx is sadly not used again)
Sweet breakdowns are back. I liked having various content though.
First breakdown of the year and it's a quicky. But hey. It is a nice episode.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the obvious parallel between Young Max and Kevin. To me that was always the point of the episode (although not executed the best especially since Kevin doses off during the story) I feel like this could have been a 2 parter or something that shows how Gwen and Kevin's relationship functions and how it parallels Max and Verdona. Maybe even explaining that Max has a soft spot for Kevin for reminding him of his younger years.
I'll agree that storywise it isn't the best episode, same for visually but something about seeing young Max mess with his car to parallel Kevin just makes me happy. They could have done more of that. Maybe have Max tell Gwen earlier in the season that Kevin reminds him of himself as a way to get her to understand that he's not a bad guy or maybe flash to a few other points in time to show Max and Verdona having kids and how Max grows whilst Verdona never changes.
I found the episode charming. I agree it was not as interesting as most usual episodes, but I’d more often revisit this one compared to a frustrating watch like Duped.
I legitimately forgot this episode existed and didn't remember anything you brought up about it. If that shows you how badly this went I don't know what does.
1. Glad to see another rundown video
2. I forgot this episode existed
i swear there was a mention ages ago to compare an earlier episode with this one involving where the two met i believe or smthn.
NEVERMIND HE CARRIED THROUGH WITH DISCECTING IT IN the breakdown of the episode "The Purge" thanks.. i havent been watching these breakdowns since the end of alien force season 1 and i kinda forgot about it for a bit but this is nice. going on a binge rn.
I will give the creative team props for doing flashback episodes.
This episode and Solitary Alignment are interesting writing experiments to see if they could tell a different kind of story in the Ben 10 universe.
Two of the best episodes of Samurai Jack do this too.
Tale of X-9 and The Princess and the Bounty Hunters barely have the main character in them at all but tell stories from different perspectives in the same world and do it very well.
Welcome back, Breakdowns!
Young Max kinda have those Hal Jordan vibes to the point where i could believe Max and Hal are alternative reality counterparts of each other
Dang you went in hard on this episode, but from my vague remembering of this episode I both understood why it was so low and still liked this as a kid
I was actually waiting for a breakdown of this episode as it’s my favorite, as I like the scenes with Max and Verdona.
But honestly, that’s it.
I honestly forgot that a Robit wanted to get Verdona as a Battery source, it might have been cool if we saw a young Vilgax since Max did have a rivalry with him like in OS.
I still enjoy this for the most part, as it’s kinda guilty pleasure.
I remember the robot but not in terms of design or “it’s” plan
The real interesting thing I found about this episode (apart from counting as the series' mandatory entry where Ben only transforms into one alien form), is that the energy extractor that the episode's antagonist uses at the end of the episode, resembles the viewing sensor the Martians use in the 1953 film version of War of the Worlds. They even incorporate the heat ray sound effect from the same film, as it powers up!
Glad to see these again. Keep up the good work kuro
I thought this was a decent episode but they should’ve done more/had it tie into something
Chronologically it does with Labrid and Max meeting Verdona
They should’ve had Max and Verdona interact at least ONCE in the o.g. Canon. Like present day Max and Verdona, not flashbacks
Hm, I see, fair and valid points and opinions, it’s a shame that a Episode like this ended not being that much in grand scheme of things for you, let’s hope Next Episode is a little more promising.
Anyway, glad to see that the Reviews are back.
'Aw man!' must've been Grandpa Max's reaction. I wonder how Grandpa Max must be feeling... He gets this for a episode which is supposed to be focused on him despite being one of the best characters in the classic continuity. His cooking is generally disapproved by people. Alien Swarm don't even call him 'Grandpa' which I extremely disapprove of. They don't portray him right. After classic, he isn't a main character and is demoted to reoccurring. He doesn't get the Omnitrix despite it being meant for him and only gets it in a parallel universe. Then again, he's definitely proud of his grandchildren. Not to mention the reboot doing him dirty in the way he portray him... Several of his partners are executed. Ben doesn't see him as his vision and sees a smoothie. He constantly has to deal with Ben's immaturity due to the execute producers abusing their powers. He also had to deal with Ben speaking to him rudely in 'Kevin 11'. He doesn't have the best of luck in regards to him getting to stay with his love interests. He has presbyopia. Like Kevin, he doesn't have the best of luck in this episode with people and his vehicles. His Omniverse design doesn't respect his eyes... No wonder he lashed out in: ruclips.net/video/sW1M-SSnRrE/видео.html | Got to really hand it to him, man; he's gone through a lot of shit - despite which he still manages to have one of the best spirits in Ben 10.
Breakdowns are back!!!!!
Just waiting till Kuro gets to the finale of Ultimate Alien. There was so much wasted opportunity for the fight between Ben and Vilgax
Here me out. I think this episode should've come before we actually met Verdona. Cut out the parts where Max is telling the story and just frame it as a normal episode. Then have the episode where the Trio meet Verdona and go from there. I feel like it could actually work with setting something up and then paying it off later. So putting this earlier in the series could work.
These episode feels like lore for the sake of lore honestly in that it could be removed and nothing would really change.
this is like Gwen's average days episode. I actually don't mind this episode. It's certainly not great, but I enjoyed it personally. Even with it's flaws
In the immortal words of a flaming haired kid with a turbo charged backpack:
"Whoa, didn't see that coming."
And in the dying words of a hero of a rising city:
“You didn’t see that coming?”
The Synthoid reminds me of the kind of robots we’d see in Justice League. I wonder if it was a recycled design or used from old concept art.
Considering that the UAF crew worked on DC and Marvel: probably both
Just like Kevin, i fell asleep during this episode. This is one of those episodes that we probably NEEDED, but I didn't WANT it.
I guess you can say Max wanted some of that anodite PU-
This is probably the breakdown score i disagree with the most. This is one of my favorite episodes of the season, and i find Max's youth and encounter with Verdona to be super engaging. And yes, i understand wanting the plot to be bigger in scale, but i wouldn't hold that against an episode that can stand on it's own just fine. I will agree that we totally deserved Xylene's story as well
Glad to see the breakdowns back. Looking forward to the rest of the season.
Don't think his issue is wanting a bigger scale plot.
Imagine if we'd gotten a prequel series centred around Max's journey from regular military man to legendary Plumber Magister known and respected across the galaxy. It would obviously be a very different show from the original series but I think they could make it work by having many of the aliens, both allies and enemies, that Max encounters be iconic ones that Ben has turned into. Like, imagine watching Max 1v1 a Tetramand using martial arts, or get into a shoot out with a Pyronite criminal.
The biggest problem with this episode? Verdona was never seen again....
I forgot this episode existed
Maybe they should have made this episode of two-parter and a slightly different concept of the story
Welp, at least its better than the Eye of the Beholder or even the 100 episode of UAF where Ben clones himself into 3 clones of himself.
Well it was a nice back story on C.I.A grandpa and his wife
I had an idea for something called “Max’s Plumber Files.” Which is basically Max talking about his personal experience with Ben’s Aliens species. For example he fought a Tetramand once that had a mutation that gave them 8 arms, or he once came across a Necrofriggan that then froze him just to laugh at him and leave. Stuff like that.
Idk I think it would make a better episode then this one? It could even be like Interdimensional Cable from Rick and Morty and become a every now and again episode
Finally a break down😁😁😁damn I missed u kuro but mostly the breakdowns but HUD man
Harsher than I'd expect, but I don't disagree with anything you said. The sets are so barren. I kinda want to edit it to be in black and white just to add any flavour
And yeah the timeline thing annoys me. The best thing about it is that it's a story being told, so I can elect to ignore it as Max's inane ramblings
Max is going senile.
@@thomasraines1396 "And then a fish alien came down and recruited me"
"Sure, Grandpa. Let's get you to bed"
Servantis really did a number on him
@@trontravolta379 poor bastard.
@@trontravolta379 That's freaking hilarious.
It's been a longggggg time since last review
This is the only episode I haven't watched all the way through. Shame that this was the last time Verdona appears in the franchise.
Doesn't she appear in the episode in Gwen's cousin Sunny is sent to Earth .
@@DeepakKumar-fi4os that episode is before this one
I missed the opening with Four Arms being used
im guessing theres gonna be 6 shorts left, and 14 full reviews left
might have miscounted the episodes but im too lazy to double check
This deserved a full breakdown. Like this is Verdona’s last episode
Hell no
Hell nah
As if Verdona is importnat character
She's honestly really unimportant and her never coming back again is one of the reasons why. This episode is super lame and definitely not an essential watch, one of the most justified quick review treatments you could get honestly.
@@Lukov17 she is the grandmother of 2 of the greatest heroes in the universe so yeah she is an important character
Honestly expected importance to be higher in terms of chronology since we retroactively get Carl and Frank and they’ll give us Ben and Gwen who becomes 2 of the greatest heroes in the galaxy
That's not really how importance works.
"Younger" Verdona. About 40-50 years? That's not that long for an Anodite.
Didn't you say something about checking if the place in the flashback of this episode matches with another place during the Classic Breakdowns?
It was cool seeing labrid again but I can see why that this episode wasn’t a good episode for one of the best characters in Ben 10
kuro has a point about the all blue scales, WHY IT HAS TO BE ALWAYS NIGHT COLOURS!?
Its nice to see max and verdona past, but it would be more interesting like they may could have the inspector 13 instead the generic robot thing.
Labrid was good :D
i only wish ONE SINGLE FREAKING EPISODE were verdona and max reunite and verdona decide to stay with max till be passez away
Too bad we never got that since we don’t see her in Max’s retirement party in end of an era
0 for plot and visuals feels a bit harsh. At least a 1.
I guess the Season 3 episode charts would have to wait until the Grand Purge Breakdown on Saturday.
I know Max has some DC/Fawcett Comics Captain Marvel/Shazam in his inspiration and design, I see a bit of Hal Jordan in there as well with Max seemingly having been in the Air Force before joining the Plumbers.
Wait no is this episode not getting a full breakdown?
While I would say this episode is mid. I would not have completely eviscerated it like you did kuro. I think a lot of visual stuff you pointed out this time was honestly kinda nitpicky to be specific and the premise honestly does a lot to Carry the episode
its basically just terminator. even the factory was like terminator. couldve been at least a bit more creative
Did they mention that the flashback took place in St. Louis?
I forgot this episode exist.
How Grandpa got some space tang
Oh my.
Also, contradictions; Mana and advanced alien technology are *not* supposed to be compatible; remember? ^^;
Unless the technology is level 20+
@@axelnilsson5124 No, 'cause the Omnitrix counts as that and even it's negatively-effected by Mana (see "Ben 10: Destroy All Aliens").
@@alexandriacollins7119 the omnitrix is level 20 technology level 20+ technology is multidimensional such as the naljian destructor or the annihilargh
@@axelnilsson5124 If that was so, *WHY* would they be *after* the Omnitrix?
@@alexandriacollins7119 how would they be able to obtain 20+ level weapons if they are multidimensional? It’s beyond their grasp
a zero for plolt of max past orinal and when you plan releas more 5yl recalibrad or your focus on the final part
I feel like they tried to make Max more interesting than they needed to for us but this wasn't really that needed.
If anything though this would've fit perfectly in the Missing Max arc of Alien Force or something close to that, or hell, the final season of Ben 10, but this is too far into the series, it's a bit too late to have us more interested in the character than how we're already are, but I saw what they were going with this.
Dude should write a biography.
For real with his well spoken voice
I can’t get over Young Max sounding identical to Faendal from Skyrim.
And every other Skyrim character that shares the voice.
The issues listed here aside, with an episode dedicated to delving into Max's past, I feel it should've been a 2-parter instead of a single episode. I also like how young Verdona's dress colors matches Ben's shirt from the OG series.
I liked this episode. I didn't find it boring.
Personal Opinion: I prefer THIS Episode than Ben 4 Good Buddy
... And I just realize I never watched this episode... Like Legit, this review is my first discovery of it O-O
I like this love story explaining Gwen's inheritance of her powers.
The only notable thing for me was that Max was flying an F-104 Starfighter. A high speed interceptor from the early-ish Cold War
Tbh I love this episode
Synthesoid : Your weapons cannot hurt me !
Max beats him with a Crowbar....
That's literally sums up major problem with Ultimate Alien..... Contradicting their own stories.....
It regenerates immediately.
To be fair, all versions of the show does this.
There’s a difference between can’t get hurt and being invulnerable
Damn UA really out here getting 0 in a visual twice
And I didn’t think it was possible
Tbh uaf as whole had pretty bland visuals as compared to og and ov
When you realize that Max and Verdona share no scenes together in the present.
Even the fanfictions I read only feature one of them at the time.
I missed classic and hope new Ben 10 similar to classic. Also hope Xylene reunited with Max
I do have fond memories of this episode. But that's pretty much young Max's courtesy, so this review is pretty spot on.
The Synthroid has an Amogus on his chest.
This is is a good case of why sometimes it's best to leave things a mystery.
Even ignoring how I preferred the original Plumbers as an earth organization that had limited knowledge, the ambiguity and gaps left things to be interesting, and if you're going to replace a mystery with a bland story, then you're just wasting time and effort.
Might as well complain about Max saying goodnight to Verdona
She could be on a planet where it's not night, or one where there's no night at all!
I don't think it's bad episode, but I see where Kuro is coming from. Max's origin story had so much potential and this episode does feel like it only scrapes the surface of that. You could've done an entire arc around that. Past villains that fought Max when he was a plumber come back and have to fight Ben now, hell you could even use Vilgax for that. Dude was wasted in AF S3.
Wooo these are back i like this episode but yeah i have to agree
I have two questions for Kuro: Did you go into this knowing it would be a mini breakdown or only decide to do so upon realizing how dull the episode was?
And was there anything that pointed to the Episdoe taking place in St. Louis? In “the Visitor” Gwen said that’s where Grandma and Grandpa met