Filson vs. Tough Duck Work Vests
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- With the advantage of having such savvy viewers, often I get inspired by you to make videos. This is a perfect example of that. A commenter suspected that Filson CCF was merely rebranded Tough Duck at twice the price! I have to admit that it certainly seemed to be the case, but to accurately make this claim I really needed to buy both to compare. Is the Filson CCF vest worth twice what the Tough Duck quilted vest costs?
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Reviews of clothing, boots, and accessories for men, along with style advice and life philosophy. I've been working with my hands for my entire life as a mechanic, tow truck driver, and eventually a licensed electrician. Being a blue collar guy, I look for certain elements in a product: is it durable? Is it high-quality? Will it perform well over its service life? Whether boots, pants, jackets, or tools I believe it's best to buy once and cry once by getting the best you can afford. With so many options these days, choosing the best product can become a difficult decision, but that's where I come in. Helping you stay stylish, rugged, and handsome.
I don't care where it's made as long as it's made well, and allows you to buy less and buy better.
We used to do legal work for Tough Duck in Manitoba - they are indeed whitelabelling for Filson (and a few others). The modifications you found were likely suggested by Filson, and doesn't make a huge impact to the mfg process (hence why they are minor size and material changes).
I do love my mackinaw western vest but I’m happy to see Canadian brand like tough duck highlighted
I’ve been telling everyone that tough duck made the ccf line for Filson about time someone made a video about it!
Absolutely loving your content
Thank you so much!
Need some help please. I’m in retail management where I’m on my feet walking a concrete floor 10+ hours per day and would like some suggestions for a great boot to wear. I currently own a pair of Allen Edmonds Alpine cap toes and would love a second option to put into rotation. Any suggestions?
Love your content by the way!!
love seeing this level of detail in a review! amazing channel
Much appreciated!
I want to see Levi vs wrangler.
Brawlin badass yessir
Levi left America some time ago, and Wrangler is about fashion. Lee deserted workers years ago, to make fashion pants. Hard to find U.S. made. Maybe Tyndale.
To hell with anti American levi's.
@@lanedexter6303 you can still purchase USA made carhartt just ask for them at fred Myers. Duluth supposedly American made. I dont buy for fashion
@@harleyhawk7959 I will try that. I guess one needs to check each item. A lot of Carhartt, Duluth, Filson items are imported, but a few are still American made.
As if often the case with many luxury products, it’s 80% name over substantial quality differences. I found this recently with a pilots watch I purchased made by the British company Timefactors and made for them in Germany with case and bracelet made by the same company that makes the cases and bracelets for Sinn.
For around $600 ( though I purchased mine gently used for $350) you get a 316 Steel case and bracelet beautifully machined, a 1.5mm thick soft iron dial which helps go towards ( along with soft iron inner case back and the usual anti magnetic features on the top grade ETA auto movement ) an 80,0000A/m antimagnetic protection level. You also get a screw into the case crown tube as opposed to the regular and much cheaper to manufacture press in, screw down crown adds to the 100m water resistance rating.
Each link on the bracelet is screw in tube, not spring fit which again adds to the quality. 2.5mm thick sapphire crystal with anti reflective coating on the inside and mounted in a way that if under negative pressure it will not pop out.
Add in a high quality two watch hard leather travel case and additional high quality NATO and it’s one heck of a package.
I used to own a Rolex Milgauss with similar specification and to be honest as much as I love Rolex I simply cannot see where the extra $7000 goes apart from a different steel and in house movement. I’m not knocking Rolex, I love the brand but how can this British watch hand made in Germany of the finest materials only cost around $600 when Rolex charge around $7000 more. It has to be name and maintaining dealerships ( the Speedbird is direct sale from the maker)
I like Filson stuff but man is it expensive and this other brand shows how much that little label will cost to have!
came for the selvedge and brands not available in my country, stayed for the quality content
Well let's see what's in stock at tough duck now...
Finalist for comment of the year.
You should review more work vests. That was a lot of great information and got me wondering about a lot of others in a variety of different price ranges. Keep up the great content! 👍
Angel great point.
Switch from Duluth to Carhartt and that works for me.
However, this video pointed out other options.
I'm all about the ware as mentioned.
going to look at TD may open my eyes.
Filson sold out to "Fossil" a few years back. They're really trying to ruin Filson. They're using the fame of name to overprice barely average products. I'm glad they're still making the old products, but it's only a matter of time and they'll cheapen them.
Filson and Fossil are unrelated. Filson is owned by bedrock manufacturing.
@@andrewvickery880 It's all the same, do more research. Somewhat irrelevant though, the Filson brand is still heading down the crapper.
As soon as I saw the price difference, it was a wrap for me. Tough Duck for me wins hands down.
I LOVE my Tough Duck vest. Sooooo comfy, warm and the large pockets are the greatest feature.
I bought the ccf vest in the same color about 6 months ago. I sent it back because of the crazy long tail and the reverse zipper. I might try the tough duck! Thanks
Killed it as usual Carl. I’d love to see you compare the Patagonia stuff to another brand since I think they have a little higher price point like Filson.
One of my favorite vests is a Babour. They also put the zipper on the left side and it drives me insane at times.
I’ve been wearing Filson since mid 90’s. As you mention some of there stuff is hit or miss and their strength is their wool products. I purchased two flannel shirts that were made in India and they were junk. After one wash they turn into a wrinkled mess.
I just purchased a new with tags Maine Guide Sweater made approximately 2008 that is one of their classic garments.
Excellent channel 👍🇺🇸
Hmm... in Australia the zipper head on the left side is the Right side and when I got a jacket from America the zip system just wasnt what I was used to. I would say there isn't really a right or wrong you get used to it after like 5 times anyway but thats my 2cents
CCF stands for Carl Crushes Filson.
Excellent review!!! Happy New Year, from El Paso, Texas.
Lol!! I love some of their stuff, but this missed the mark for me
I would love to see you review the Patagonia work wear in comparison. I have a quite a few pieces and have been very happy with them. The only knock is I have a short inseam and find their pants too long. Overall the Ranch Jacket and Vest I have had for two years, as well as the double knee pants; all perform very well in a variety of conditions. I just received the bibs for Christmas and wore them at 25F reinforcing a deck. I found them warm soft and very durable so far. The main reason for the bibs is for working in below freezing temps especially as the months will get closer to zero.
I have been noticing recently a few local farmers who have also been sporting Patagonia work clothes. One I happened to ask about and they said they want to support the hemp production but also liked the way the fabric performed.
Congrats on the 50+K subs carl, keep up the great work it's much appreciated.
Thank you!
I would love to see Tractor supply’s Ridgecut product line review and possible carhartt and or Duluth comparison.
You are so correct about the zipper for the American consumer as well as Form Over Function. Filson has chosen a new trajectory as a company a few years back....great product but a status brand more than ever. One vid I would like to see is How to Chose a Shoe Cobbler (questions to ask, leather used or sourced, technique used for resoling, etc). This profession is still around but before i entrust my Allen Edmonds or Redwings, they better have the skill level these shoes demand. I know I can send them to the company, but sure is good to find a skilled person.
High arm holes (in bespoke tailoring) help keep the piece (vest) from rising as much as more open arm holes when overhead reaching.. it’s almost about specifications x 3.
If there are no sleeves it doesn’t matter...
I got me the western vest by Filson. Loved the wool and quality of the vest so much that I finally pulled the trigger on the Filson Jac-shirt. That'll probably be the extent of my Filson collection.
The western mackinaw wool vest is awesome! Their wool is still amazing, and definitely their crown jewel.
It’s not unheard of for a manufacturer to make a slight variant for another company.
Even a company as high end as alden, still makes boot variants for companies like Jcrew, using their basic design, with a few modifications that don’t impact the production line.
New studio coming along nicely
Thank you!
Awesome, super in-depth! And you may have created a mental block for me now. I have a left hand zip hoody that I dont think I even noticed was even a left zip and now, when I went to try it on it took at least 2 or 3 tries to get the zipper together..
FYI - Just got my Tough Duck vest in yesterday. They're now made in Bangladesh. Initial impressions are very good of the vest though. Seems warm, well made and pretty comfortable.
I just got a Filson 17oz. Tin cloth waxed work vest a couple of months ago. I love it. The zipper is on the right.
Yeah, that’s much more in line with what Filson does best. The quality level is far superior to the CCF line as far as I can tell.
I got one of the Filson Primaloft insulated work vests made this year and it was made in Vietnam. Good quality overall, easily last for years. Exterior pockets layout like cruiser vests. Only one slot pocket on inside upper chest.
Love the new studio! I agree Filson wool western vest is one of my favorite pieces I own. Ccf seems a bit over priced. I would like to see the ccf chore coat.
Bought a men's jacket in Italy. It had a zipper on the wrong side. The salesman chuckled when I got stuck. 2 yrs later still takes some getting used to when I first put it on.
At my last job they ordered branded polos for the staff and made a mistake and ordered the female cut for everyone. The 3 buttons on the collar are on the opposite side of the men’s. I never got used to it. Super annoying.
Thanks for helping me make a decision on this!
This is a great video!! Thanks for doing the research and giving a proper analysis!
Thanks for another great video Carl! My wife & I had a great laugh at your video. I’m in the USA but work for an English company. Every time I zip up my company provided jacket it aggravates me. I’ve had jackets provided for 15 years + and still haven’t gotten used to the zipper on the other side.
Filson seriously charged almost 100% for the tough duck vest? Come on man. Glad you’re doing your “investigative journalism”,
What an obscure detail to be sure, the left handed zipper thing, but you know what? The blaze orange canvas bomber I was issued at work has a left sided zipper and it drives me CRAZY 🤣
Gotta love The Tough Duck! I'm from Winnipeg and their Arctic parkas work perfect for the cold in this city! And they look good! With big pockets to hold your king cans and back bacon!
Please do a review on boot socks
Background looks spot on. How is that New England winter going!
So far so good! I don’t really mind working in weather down to about 30 degrees. After that I get incrementally more miserable 😆
The #1 rule for workwear is trumped by "is it Carhartt" on occasion
I think Carl just became an investigative journalist lol
I'm glad you said, "a nerd about these things" my buddy 'borrowed' my C.C.F hoodie because he thought it was on of my cheap ones.
Hahaha yeah I fully admit it!!!
@@CarlMurawski question, I'm gonna grab a tough duck vest,thanks to you, if I want it to fit slimmer should I go xl or l. I'm 46" chest 35" waist. Usually I get a xl jacket but always have to have them taken in a wee bit.
@@JY-dh7mk what did you get - I'm similar size.
@@gsdlvr123 I got an xl. I'm happy with it, but your should explore some other options(brands) at that price point.
oh yagelnizzle yeah - I just commented. I’ve been a loyal Filson customer for 20-30 years (prob longer). I’ve got tons of Filson Tin Cloth and Mackinaw Wool items. We own a horse farm. I’m disappointed with the direction Filson has gone in the past few years and customer service is not what it was. I’m looking for a replacement go to brand. I have given Filson as gifts for years. I appreciate the reply.
The zipper being on the opposite side is so the vest can be zipped into the Filson jackets that accept a liner...
Mind if I ask what size you're wearing in this video?
Zippers are my biggest concern. Most zippers suck. I wear mostly carhartt & there zippers never break or zip wrong. Both these vests look good. I'll check them out. Thx for the review. 👍
This is great content, I’ve been looking for a great vest and had been looking at both these products. Appreciate the hands-on review!
Awesome comp video...love to see more of these. Send me whichever one you don't want
Interesting and helpful, thanks. Given the option, I would definitely go with the Tough Duck.
Background coming out nicely man. 🤘🏼
Thanks dude! It’s just so much more expensive than Sheetrock 😫
As a Seattleite this hurts.
Little irritating stuff like that zipper thing is a deal breaker for me. I don’t want to be irritated every time I zip up my work vest. I’m tryna work over here!
Exactly!!!
Carl Murawski
That’s just stupid to me. Even if the price were reversed, I’m not gonna wear something that would make people think I’m wearing my girlfriends 👯 clothes.
Thank you.
Can you do a video on Pendleton
Nice review, a reason I subscribe - you are a welcome wealth of info. I've commented before about Filson and my admiration for their Mackinaw Wools and Tin Cloth. I own a LOT of their products, mostly their wools and Tin Cloth (though I have boots too) and have been dealing with them for 20-30 years. I recently ordered a couple more vests - wool and tin cloth. I waited for a week and went on line to check on the order - I actually paid for 2 day shipping. I said, I am checking on an order, I paid for 2 day shipping and it's been a week. The online person was very rude and sarcastic and said it may be another week - what do you want me to do? I simply said, a refund... and it was issued. Normally I would say not a big deal. However one of the reasons I've stayed loyal to Filson over the many years was their outstanding customer service. I've had no issue with the quality of Filson products - we own a horse farm (on a river) and I can be tough on garments. I sent an email to Filson - telling them of my loyalty to their brand and of my recent disappointing experience. I told them I did not want anything as compensation, but rather just wanted them to know the service was uncommon and unacceptable for a brand steeped in tradition of exceptional customer service. I did not get a response - I sent another email...still no response. Am I done with Filson? I'm not sure, but my loyalty to their brand has changed. I would LOVE to find other brands of quality for around the farm, trails around our property. I appreciate quality and style is important...got to look good for my horses (and a wife that still looks as good as she did 30 years ago).
I have quite a few Filson products. Some of them, they don't even make any more. Their quality is NOT the same as before. I compared my 20 year old jac-shirt with a new one, even the salesperson acknowledged it.
Reminds me of what happened to Eddie Bauer.
Definitely a Nerd worthy assessment. Very interesting. Happy New Year!
Same to you!
Nice one Carl, just goes to show that you should always shop around....
Absolutely! And I’m hoping this will same folks some dough for basically the same product.
i think it just filson's wip
lilmore badass look,
lilmore cunning product plan
so,
i'll buy both
That's a funny conclusion. I think partly because I'm ambidextrous, but maybe also because I've had multiple garments with the zipper on the left, it's something I'm used to. My jackets from Barbour, Uniqlo, Ted Baker all have zippers on the left. I think a lot of stuff made in/for Korea - I lived there for 7 years - also comes with the zippers that way, so another reason I'm used to it.
That reverse zipper is insane, WHY would Filson do that. Im currently looking at the tough duck at the moment which led me here and its nice to see it got good marks.
As a past filson nut I hate too say this but filson sold out and everything is made or sewn in the " pacific rim ". My best friend was a representative for filson and there family got out of the filson business as soon as his dad went to a meeting talking about selling the brand . So there you go , filson is junk compared to the old filson clothing . Pandelton , woolrich , LL. Bean all are now pacific rim made !
Filson is too expensive for me. I am an LL Bean guy. I worked for a company that was owned by investors that own Filson and believe me they did not pay their employees enough to purchase Filson products.
Re the zipper thing: I'm in Aus, and most zippers are on the left, with ladies jackets having the zip on the right. I always thought this was standard until I got some Dickies gear and the zip felt odd haha.
I have a near identical vest ( made in China ) for St John's Bay ( J.C.Penney ) except no inside pockets, lined but not quilted, and no knitted side panels, still a good vest for work in S.C.. bought on year end sale for $20
I had a CC Filson work vest for a few months. I even went as far to wax it. But it never fit well. Their sizing is really hard for me to nail. I am 6'3" and 208 pounds and I started with an XL. Oh man, it was ridiculously large and boxy. Then I sized down to a Large. Almost the same and very loose. I think if I wouldn't have given up on it, perhaps a Medium would have worked. Nonetheless, take that into consideration if buying one of their vests. Build quality was great. No issues there.
--Michael
Hey Carl, I wish to you and everyone happy new year in advance and hopefully the year 2020 will mark the year that we will finally get that Parka History video 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can always count on you!
In regards to the zipper, I had jacket with the zipper on the “European” side, and the zipper only lasted me a year of daily use, I’m thinking that since it was backwards to me I was putting more wear struggling to zipper it
Rewatched the video and was going to order the Tough Duck. Texted a buddy and remembered he has bought one, turns out his was a Dri Duck jacket. Looked for reviews on both, not much for Tough Duck, ended up ordering the Dri Duck vest. Bunch of good reviews, the biggest complaint was that it runs big. Couldn’t find anything on the sizing for Tough Duck. 🤞🤞 that it’s decent quality.
Thank you for this information 😎
My pleasure
Men’s clothing in Europe zip on the left. My Moncler and Barbour jackets zip on left.
I have a Tough Duck jacket 18A216 but I'm trying to figure out about a zipper on the inside that when unzipped just leads to the white insulation inside...I went on the website and all I could find that seemed some what like it described my situation was a term called" Embroidery access zipper"...still can't figure out what its for. Oh my main zipper on the outside has it the opposite way than the most of my other jackets which have zipper(zip up) on the left.
Filson needs to be called out. They are completely counter to their advertised standards now. Some of their products have been flawed for decades and they don't fix them, and now that they've sold out their workforce to have more made overseas I really can't back them anymore.
I will buy the “Tough Duck!
Now I know!
Another great video, Carl.
You pay more on the Filson for the warranty? And the zipper being on the left, well, I have their moleskin liner that zips into another jacket. But the kind of zipper on yours aren't made for it I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Edit: just went to check my Filson. Never mind the zippers are on the right. My Carhartt Detroit jacket zippers are on the left.
I think the reason why buttons and zippers are on different sides is because, for men, clothing used to hold weaponry, so having the buttons on the right-hand side allowed smoother access to their swords or guns. For women, they usually had a maid dress them, so the buttons were reversed.
Like my Tough 💪🏻 Duck 🦆 Work Vests 👍🏻! Love 🖤 the drop-tail design with the elasticated ribs!!! Oh yeah, and it's made from our brothers and sisters up-north in Canada 🇨🇦, NOT Chi-na!
most tough duck products are made in China
you should check out the red clouds collective vest. i have one of their waxed canvas vests i bought two years ago and have worn it every day fall winter spring since and it's holding up great. awesome quality from a really cool small company.
think of it this way... you are practicing the dexterity on your left hand ... enough practice and you might even begin trying learning to write with it ... ;)
In the UK the men's zip is on the left and women's on the right. Men's clothes button up left over right and women's the opposite way. It certainly wouldn't matter to me which way the zip fastens.
Interesting, I wonder why that is. It’s just so hard to do something when you’re used to something else.
@@CarlMurawski my Barbour jacket and my wife's Fjallraven coat both have the zip on the left. My old North Face McMurdo parka has the zip on the right. It feels unnatural to have the zip on the right but you get used to it. The near 100% difference in cost for virtually the same thing would be the deal breaker for me. I'm happy to pay for quality but not for just a name.
I would love to see more reviews of more budget minded work wear. It would also be great to see recommendations for specific trades. I hope to be an apprentice electrician next year, and this would be helpful. Keep making great content, and I will definitely keep watching.
Very good idea! I have some budget work gear coming up in future videos. Best of luck in your apprenticeship!
Thank you.
Do you guys size up for your work vests or buy the size you normally wear for shirts?
I discovered the reason for the price difference (besides brand). I recently watched this video and bought the Tough Duck as a result. Everything I've read said the Tough Duck is made in Canada, but mine was made in Bangladesh. I checked the Tough Duck and retailers' websites and none of them actually state where it is made, it turned out to be claims by people online assuming that because it's a Canadian brand it's made in Canada. Not so. Filson's site says the CCF is made in Canada, which I assume is true. I'm not too bummed but I would probably buy the CCF in hind-site because I support fair labor practices. Carl, can you check the tag on your Tough Duck vest? Is country of manufacture a recent change?
That's an interesting nuance, but I did check my tag and this particular example is made in Canada. There's really something to be said for taking the labor into consideration, but it's so difficult to tell sometimes as you pointed out. It could be that my vest is from an older run or that they operate factories in multiple countries and states- Carhartt does this. Looks like the plot thickens!
It seems to depend where you source it from retail wise. Up here in Canada and at most of our Canadian retailers its the made in Canada stuff. When I was working in the states and looking at your retail outlets it was the off shore stuff usually.
I saw a similar price gouge online with hatchets. East wing USA made hatchet is about $30 same hatchet sold by Filson made by Eastwing was about $120
Yes! I saw that too. The Estwing is a decent hatchet but for that money you could get a Gransfors Bruk, hand-forged in Sweden.
Great video as usual
You should check out Frost River vs. Duluth Pack Co. For a heritage softgoods shootout
Stetson vs any other hat brand in fedora or western
So you’re saying the Filson’s is a ladies’ vest.
Hey man, great Vid! I own the CCF one and I think you may have gotten a defect as far as the zipper is concerned, mine is normal on the right side. Just a heads up!
Thanks for the heads up! Its entirely possible they changed it, or that I got a bit of a dud.
My Tommy brand Tracksuits are from Turkey, and they do that wrong side zipper thing too. Did not know this when I purchased them. Almost a deal breaker. Very awkward.
I like Uniqlo stuff, but they put zippers on the left side. Great for lefties, but it’s so awkward for me.
I got tan,carhartt vest.
If they are made by the same company, it is far more likely both used the same third party factory to make white label products for them.
Tough Duck is mostly a knock-off brand (not to disparage them, just to say they mostly copy well known products and offer them with slight changes or improvements, for less than the bigger name they are copying),, it doesn't make sense that Filson would buy from them directly, thus strengthening their direct competitor and also making it easier for them to copy their designs.
I've never heard of a big brand company sourcing white label items from a direct brand name competitor.
The reason Filson charges more for their vest even though it is not branded overall, is still because of the brand. Filson is seen ad the dominant brand and has a long history and high visibility and brand goodwill, they can and do ask higher prices because the market supports it and they probably don't even aim at the real work clothing market anymore. Tough Duck has to be seen as the less expensive alternative, and no doubt still serve the workwear market.
Your wrong Tough duck was around long before ccf they are their own company and designs are not a copy of any other company
Tough duck has been around since the 30s you should do some investigation before commenting maybe you work for Filson?
@@colemancalgary5260 I stand corrected, I was confusing them with another company. I'm Canadian and should know better. You piqued my interest, soI did some research; Richlu has been around since the 30's but their Tough Duck brand dates from 1989.
Richlu does a lot of white label production si it's highly possible they do fabricate for Filson.
I don't work for any clothing company nor do I have a vested interests in any. I did just look up.
great review I personally don't like the style of them. I have 3 carhartt vests carhartt all the way.
Is the zip not on the other side so it can be zipped into another jacket? Barbour do it on their vests
What shirt is that? It looks comfortable.
Hello
Is the zipper like that so that it can be used as a zip in liner?
Hey what button up are you wearing in this vid?