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I love your in-depth reviews man. Keep up these amazing videos. All the cuts and edits make all your vids so well produced, Its really nice watching. There's very rarely a boring moment
Look into this PLEASE! Carhart release a jacket in 2017, It was High quality like the ones our dads bought when we were kids. They discontinued it in 2019. such a short time right? I remember the model started with a B. Bernard, or something.. i have one, but i stupidly cut the tags off it. never thought id talk about it.. Never thought their quality would go down....
It's fascinating see work wear become fashion over time. Lots of Japanese brands are obsessed with classic American workwear from the 30s and 40s for instance.
Yeah, I saw my dad going to work like that as a young boy and I'm like, that's cool dad. Then I got in the trades and there's a lot more too it. But my dad is still cool. He did become a Chicago fireman for over 20 years but had to retire due to a heart issue and now he's back to his old trade as a linesman. Which is way cooler imo. Even though he's still an electrician...😂 jk we love our sparks.
@@robzsarmy5471 we all know clothing is inherently fashion, but workwear was originally intended for, well work. Not just for expensive fashion brands.
Yeah, I left a comment on the Short that led me into this bigger video. I have a J130-M made in Mexico, just the standard farming jacket here in the Midwest. Was $100, and is almost just like the Carhartt I remember as a kid. Almost all the complaints he had of this jacket weren't an issue in mine.
Hey man, thanks for the shoutout! I’m actually heading to Detroit to visit the Carhartt archive in June, I can certainly ask the question about the shell material. I do know that they changed their lining because the old lining was actually insanely low quality. It was chosen for the durability as you mentioned, but was very close to car trunk lining in quality. While I have a very special connection to my J97, in my opinion the best Detroit jacket ever was the 6QLJ with the red nylon quilt lining. Love your videos bro, nicely done! I’ll try to get some more answers from the source on my trip to the archive (which I really hope is in a cool cement vault with a big iron door and some dude named Boris guarding it).
carhardt is a lgbtq+ brand that doesn't represent blue collar workers. funny how carhardt was into forcing vaccines and masks on people, yet 95% of blue collar guys I know were against it. sadly they're too dumb to do any kind of brand research and continue to support.
Free repairs also allows Carhartt to collect data on durability to identify where they can cut and where they need to build quality going forward. So, they are paying for information from you that helps them produce better products. Win, win.
I never knew they would fix there old coats. I got one with holes on the sleeve I may consider sending in, seeing if they will repair it. It's near 30 years old
As a blue collared worker. I think some of the criticism carhartt gets comes from people wearing it as a fashion piece, instead of what it’s meant for. which I don’t have a problem with. But, I’ve seen people blame the quality coming down due to them believing they are catering to non blue collared workers.
Could there be a third type of people who aren't necessarily blue collared workers that are looking for some clothes that are more durable than what they are used to?
@@UpperCumberlandGamers yeah, for sure. It’s smart, get some durable work pants that can last way longer being worn for daily use. Personally I don’t wear work clothing outside of work due to comfortability. But I know a lot of people who like wearing heavier clothes
@@p1mpmasterbackhand I mean, it is becoming an issue with a lot of companies cutting corners so that the clothing that they make lasts less in a sort of planned obsolescence program. I've personally noticed this with my clothing where old clothing just seems to be more durable than new clothing.
@@UpperCumberlandGamers yeah I have too. I usually buy the cheap clothing from target, because I’ve realize it last just as long as name brand stuff these days.
@@UpperCumberlandGamers if you get some good solid work pants, you'll rarely have to actually wash them, which wears denim out pretty good, as well as other materials like whatever chinos are. Aside from that, I'm not *actively* a blue collar guy, but cmon now I was an infantryman for 4 years and done construction for a few years on top of that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with not being blue collar but wanting more durable clothes than aren't mass produced as cheaply as humanly possible without any care for quality or durability. For underwear/shirts, look into the George brand at Walmart, and carhartt is the gold standard, but dickies and a few others are fairly solid. Carhartt is like the Toyota and dickies is Ford. Both serviceable, will do the job no problem, but one has more thought and care put into it, if that makes sense.
When i was a kid, my dad had a Carhartt. And when I seen my uncle had one as well, i said as a kid, "you have my dads jacket." When i was 14 or 15, i asked my dad if i could wear his jacket. Later that year he bought me one. That was for sure a core memory I will try to pass on.
Meanwhile, my stepdad has been stealing *my* Carhartt jackets my whole life. xD That's alright though; he gets cold easily and they keep him warm and protected while he works, so that's all that matters to me.
I will say this about Carhart quality- a few years ago I climbed down a roadside embankment through a thicket of briars to do a rescue on an accident in the middle of winter during a snow storm. When I climbed out of that mess and later looked at my jacket...not a mark or a tear and I stayed warm the whole time. If I had been wearing anything else in my jacket collection it would have been shredded. I give Carhart a 10/10 on toughness.
Great video. About the pockets, please consider that when you work with the jacket, the pocket is going to be filled with screws and dust and other trash. In my experiance it is nice to be able to flip it out to empty all the little particles. It is not that important but I wanted to share. Great video
I’m a 75 year old from St Lawrence County on the NY Canadian border. My image of Carhart from my childhood is a dairy barn at 4am in February at -10F. A single light bulb hangs from the barn ceiling, steam rises from the dairy cows, barn cats avoid the cows streaming urine, and the farmer wears his trusty Carhart. Now I see a Carhart store in the Lafayette Mall in Paris or a guy in his Range Rover in Marin County CA.
Here in rural Nebraska, carhartt products get worn until they are broken down so much that even repaired, they’d still be worn out. As long as they still zip and don’t have giant holes, they get worn.
One thing I liked about some of the older Carhartts is they had numerical sizing instead of S, M, L. I wear a 38R jacket so it was easy to just look for a 38R Carhartt and it would fit. There was less of a jump between sizes so it was easier to find a perfect fit. My J01 and J02 from the late 2000s are size 38.
Levi's, Filson and Dickies. They all used to occupy the space that Carhartt exists in now, but they've all transformed into different companies for different customers. Carhartt WILL drop their quality because the masses are less demanding, and they won't bother sending the clothes in for repair because they'd rather buy new stuff anyway, which is great for business. Eventually a new company, like Blaklader, will take their place as Carhartt pivots into more of a lifestyle brand, like Patagonia.
@@MrTAGGER88 "Patagonia is still pretty good." True, but because of the name you're getting a "pretty good" item but you're paying a premium item price.
About 20 years ago I bought Carhartt Extreme coat and bibs. I still wear them on occasion when it’s REALLY cold outside and I’m doing work. They are extremely durable. But I am also more prone to wearing more “style” than utilitarian clothing now in my 50s.
The term you're looking for with the J97 is that it's interlined rather than lined. This tends to add more structure to the jacket as the liner also supports the outer fabric. While it's not as clean as a liner, it has more benefits in a work piece.
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Carhart WIP are more durable and have never skimped on quality. I am European and WIP in Europe is seen as very durable and not throw away clothes, my coats, jeans and T-shirts last years and years and years. Best clothes I have ever bought in my life and will not buy anything else.
Yep. I am French and checked out WIP, it's definitely TOUGH AF. But not exactly fashion clothing IMHO. It's definitely workwear. Everything is very heavy and thick.
There’s really a difference in the zippers carhartt actually made the hole rounded so you can pull from a 360 degree angle, because they got feed back that the old zipper used to break when you pulled them up from an angle
The Detroit Jacket is one of my favorite pieces ever. I've had a couple from the late 90's (older version) to early 00's (newer-ish version, but not the new version). I could seconds at a Carhartt Outlet for around $50. Back then I used to wear my clothes waaaay too big, and the jackets were oversized. I eventually got rid of them. Now I sooooooo wish I kept them (I also had a brown duck Type III blanket lined jacket, that I still wish I had). I've ordered and returned the modern Detroit Jacket. It's a travesty. They've neutered it. I'm interested in the W.I.P. version(s) but they're asking a lot for it. I may get one just for nostalgia. _______ Great video! Well done.
WIP is overpriced for sure. But I treat it as not a fast fashion, so I don't need to worry they go out of trend. Or I wear them to work anyways, so I still win in the long run paying a bit extra. I inter-change both mainline and WIP items and I am happy with both.
I heard of that from some other review. But that one seems doesn't have the blanket liner instead of a regular mesh for not as cold weather. But cutting and stitching wise they are close to original Detroit jacket without the drop tail. Very alike Autumn version of the WIP style
@@felixchow4662 Thanks for the additional details! I wasn't sure what the liner was like on that one. Hopefully they do an extra version with the correct weight and liner soon.
@@Sanguivore I don't think they will. The updated version is actually more functional at a job site or working in a warehouse environment. The thinner version is really more for the looks in my book.#Carlmurawski has a very detail comparison at the end of his "Ultimate Guide to the Iconic Interstellar Jacket" Very useful information.
I got the best of both worlds. I have a model which is around 10-15 years old. Nice thick material with corduroy collar from before the redesigned detroit, but it has the modern collar snaps.
My 125 is my favorite jacket. I bought the snap on hood to go with it. I’ve owned mine for almost 20 years. It’s nowhere near to looking old. The thing’s bulletproof…
As a European, i got a lot of WIP products, and they are awesome, old school fits and really nice materials, but the price is ridiculous! The USA made Carhartt is very hard come by new. They need to expand more into the EU, i don't wanna pay 150€ on a summer chore coate 😭
I had gotten a new carhartt winter jacket at the beginning of the season. One of the J130, it was slightly different than my previous 2 jackets. I was a little surprised by the small details put into it. Still great quality and one of my all time favorite pieces of clothing. Though I’m probably in the minority that I do cut off the small patch on the pocket.
That floating liner on the newer jacket is considered to be higher quality from a tailoring perspective than the one that is panel sewn. The floating will have fewer friction points and allow for better fles and moving. The looser weave on the newer lining will also have more insulation value, even if it were the same thickness, because it allows for more air pockets. Taking the time to learn how to sew is a great way to improve your critiquing abilities!
I honestly like not having a pocket liner, it makes my jacket more utilitarian as I can reliably put my hand in there and grab things out. And I’ve been using a Carhartt jacket for framing/agricultural work for the last 2 years and the pockets haven’t failed or had any signs of failure.
Carhartt, make a Moss Green Detroit again! Hundreds of thousands of park workers have to wear Moss in uniform and Dickies is the only mainstream option.
my dad (imagine late 50s, button up shirt, Yankees baseball cap, salomons, wayy to big hiking pants) took a selfie for me in front of the carhartt WIP store in prauge while on a trip. He asked the group of like 30, 15-22 year old dudes if they'd be ok being in the background and they're all smiling in the behind him couple giving a thumbs up, I can only wonder if theyre thinking "damn this dude's outfit is weirdly close to mine but he's a middle aged American tourist from an area where fishing is popular and I'm a European fashion bro"
Working as a carpenter I’ve gone through some clothes, and modern Carhartt pants have gone way down in toughness. I have a vintage pair I finally busted but in that time I went through 2 modern pairs(all double front)
Great video. I was always wondering why carhartt was still somewhat popular with enthusiats and now I know why. In my region they only sell "Work in Progress", and the quality is not good, to put it politely. So until now, I thought that was Carhartt quality. The Fashion division really tarnishes the brand, because most people will think that that is the Carhartt of today.
Hi! Hard disagree. I own a whole lotta Carhartt items, both Workwear and WIP and while I haven't done an in-depth comparison like in the vid, I feel the general quality between the two is very similar. I guess YMMV, but these are my personal thoughts.
From 2019-2022 i was working nights on an open shipping dock (it was basically working outdoors) in northwest Indiana. I had to endure 3 midwest winters at night. My Carhartt duck jacket and Carhartt coveralls came in clutch. If you're wearing them for their intended purpose (to keep you warm while being able to still move and work) these fuckers work like a charm. When it comes to jackets, Carhartt is the golden standard for me.
I don't know how you kept your thoughts in line when splicing between so many different shots. But it sure made for an entertaining and funny video to watch. I didn't much care about the topic itself, but watched every minute.
As an oilfield worker in west Texas, Carhartt FR holds up very well. I realize those are niche products made to ASNI and/or NFPA standards but I did want to still throw a point towards modern Carhartt.
After coming into a j65 ive definitly developed an appriciation for the design. This video definitly led me to look at the jacket when i came across it at a bin store
Still got a hoodie and double knee pants with the US made label in them. They are built different. Had em for a long long time. Quality was amazing back then, and hard to get in 🇬🇧 at that time
Years ago I inherited my dad’s carhartt button up work coat. I wore it to work every cold day for years. It was by far my favorite piece of cold weather work wear, largely due to the saddle blanket liner which carried through the sleeves. It finally started to look pretty sorry so I decided to buy me a new one, but to my great disappointment the new work coat has a slick plastic feeling liner in the sleeves that seems way less durable and irritates the skin if you’ve gotten into any fiberglass or other such building materials.
The fit in the new Detroit jacket is so catastrophic that I switched to the CornerStone Detroit clone. It definitely inferior in build quality and lining, but it actually fits me and is certainly tough enough. It seems that the new Detroit jacket caters to fashion. I lift so I appreciate the wide sleeves and the boxy fit. But the new one is wider in the waist with smaller sleeves. It is all gut and no arms. The butt flap as you say might be designed to cover things, but then this is not the jacket for you. Carhartt has many longer jackets. I have an Active Jacket and I have no complaints there.
Not too familiar with the main line Carhartt considering I'm not a tradesman or blue-collar worker in general. I don't like cosplaying as a plumber when I work a desk job. However, I am a fan of the WIP line which is fashion oriented. The Newman coat and the Highland jacket are some great pieces.
Like your video. Had a pair of Carhartt overalls from the late 80’s that over the past year have been showing their age. Have a hooded jacket from the early 90’s, still in fantastic shape. Also have overalls, pants, and a barn coat from the early 2000’s. Not sure about other people’s carhartts and other models of their clothing, but mine have been fantastic. For me, the durability is impressive.
At the end of the day, clothing is the sum of its parts. Polyester is polyester, cotton is cotton, nylon is nylon etc. You can buy Lululemon, Vuori, Carhartt or any other popular brand, but the cheaper brands use the same materials. Clothing is all about showing people what brand you're wearing via a logo, and brands charge a premium for that "honor". Honestly though, I respect the business of it all. Exploiting people who can't wrap their heads around what they're spending their money on is really pretty genius. I also think it's kind of funny how people that wear Carhartt as work clothing because it's a "Merican" brand and rugged are just buying foreign made items that have essentially become streetwear. Modern branding is truly a masterclass in manipulation. You have to respect it though. What's also interesting is that cotton is terrible at wicking moisture. So, when you're working and sweating while wearing a Carhartt jacket it's actually significantly worse to wear versus a man made material like polyester or nylon. There's a reason athletes, mountain climbers, or anyone doing any type of physical activity wear synthetic materials. Cotton isn't the way to go if you're going to be sweating at all.
Not all materials are equal, Levi's denim and Wrangler denim are both denim like you say a materials is a material and it's the same across brands, but it's not, and synthetics can't usually be around fire or sparks If you were welding or camping, not to mention less breathable. But materials are not all created equal even of its the same supposed type of cloth.
@@dante_f4563 I would love to see some factual data that Wrangler and Levi's cotton is different. Can you provide me a link to that information? As for polyester/nylon not being able to be around fire, you're correct. I disagree with camping unless you're planning on jumping in the fire. If a small ember kicks off a simple camp fire, your polyester isn't going to instantly melt to your skin. Nylon and polyester are perfectly safe to wear around basic camp fires. Fire resistant clothing is mandatory for some jobs, but you're talking about a small sect of the world population. Also, polyester is very breathable. Nylon is not. That's why nylon is typically used in waterproof rain jackets.
I love cotton during the summer because it absorbs your sweat and then it evaporates but what I had with polyester shirts that they stick to you when you sweat could you please inform me on their moisture wicking properties
@lf2334 this same RUclipsr made a video 11 months ago on why and how wrangler is better quality than Levi's, but the shorthand is that wrangler uses a different twill weave and heavier fabric which makes them overall more durable jeans, if you want to see that in detail, watch the video.
@@dante_f4563 I watched a video around the same time that this video came out that did extensive testing showing that there was not a difference. You can believe what you want, but I resell clothing for a living. Materials are materials. Outdoor clothing brands are purely branding. Compare an Arcteryx polyester shirt to an Eddie Bauer polyester shirt and tell me it's different. I understand this isn't denim, but the marketing is absurd.
One thing that does annoy me about a Detroit jacket I bought around 4 years ago is the fluff. It attracted so much lint. My old one didn’t do this at all.
The basic all tan Carhartt cap is the only hat I’ve owned that A) fits my head with all my long as hell hair underneath when it’s tied back and down and B) held up from working in it. I don’t and probably won’t wear a Carhartt jacket of my own because the weird uptick in people buying and selling jackets online secondhand (and upping the price to high heaven) has made them really unaffordable for me and why I’ve started looking at brands Berne for similar styles.
I’ve had a 70s carhartt chore coat a 80s carhartt Detroit jacket and a new Detroit jacket and a Duluth button up jacket and my favorite was my 70s carhartt
I never pay full price for my carhartt. I wait for sales and then I pester them until they give me a further discount. Then, I hand them my Native Status Card for tax exemption. I bought a Barlett Jacket yesterday and saved almost $100.
@@bondpit8750 Hell yeah! In Canada we have what's called HST. It's 13%. 8% Federal Government and 5% Provincial. We don't pay the 8% Federal Government Tax. But I don't pay the Federal or Provincial in most places because they don't seem to know that. Before HST we didn't pay Tax at all. Natives hard but lost and were made to pay Provincial. Only 5% of my Reservation remains. They keep taking everything.
Purchased a brand new detroit jacket from the f/w 2021 season a couple days ago. I cut that tail off for aesthetic reasons and i do wish some stuff from the older jackets like the cuffs and the brass hardware carried over, but im not mad at it as its a nice jacket i can put a whole lot together with it and still wear it to work.
Hey Mike, I like a lot your videos, but I noticed that there's not anyone about Schott Bros. Aviator leather jacket. Can you please make one? Many thanks.
When I was in the Middle East as a civilian contractor chaining down rolling stock on the deck of a flatbed tractor trailer... (with Mortar Fire in the background) Carhartt Was There! 👊😎
I think the other reason the traditional options are what are made here is because they own the factory. It is cheaper to make major changes to a product you are contracting out than one you are building in house in an old factory.
Man i had one that was passed down to me by my step dad, had the old style wool flannel liner. it was faded and beat up from years of work and it looked amazing with the patina. I gave it to a buddy of mine who used it and worked hard in it too, not sure what ever happened to it. lol
If you pay attention to the tags inside some Carhartt stuff is made in the U.S. and some is made in Mexico which I think is why two size medium of the same garment fits differently.
pushing through bramble bushes, fencing and all round outdoor work, plus wearing it on my motorbike. j97, had it fifteen years and still not even a hole. it has been washed a lot because it gets filthy and is now so faded it has retained almost none of its original colour and there's fraying on the cuffs... but it is like an old friend.
Go see a good tailor. Make sure to start with a jacket that fits properly across the shoulders. Someone commented earlier that they had their sleeves shortened and the back flap removed on the current edition of the Detroit jacket.
Carhartt has been transforming itself into a leisure brand for some time now. Therefore, it is not surprising that the things are softer and less robust. Especially since most work clothing is so specialized that you can hardly make any money with universal clothing. Dickies and others reacted more quickly.
Carhartt has simultaneously made my most durable and least durable work wear. Some of their pants last multiple seasons and some last like 1/2 a summer. Just have to research the products before buying and you’ll get an awesome piece.
I was never into the regular workwear carhartt line but the moment carhartt Work In Progress introduction in the 90s and them gaining steam through the early 00's and now being full blown as one of the top mass-sold "medium end" street style brands is amazing to me. To this day, Carhartt WIP incorporates the best of both workwear and subculture worlds in a glorious harmony. Also some really sweet collaborations!
I've been looking for the USA made Active Jackets J131 and J140, but in some US online stores they say they're discontinued. Do you happen to know anything about that?
If you're looking for a good alternative to the Detroit jacket with a couple more original 50s features then - the Sugar Cane duck canvas work jacket is excellent - Picked a brand new one up on eBay recently for £92 and have worn it every day.
I'm 6'5" and am a size 3XL in shirts and often 2XL in jackets, my biggest problem is that they are too short, being made more for shorter but wider people, than average but taller people, I often have shirts and jackets I'd love, but run at EXACTLY my trouser tops, or even are too short, leaving a gap, with a jacket this isn't too big a problem, but for shirts... I live in Wales, Britain already rains a lot, Wales rains even more specifically, so having a jacket or shirt that rides up, is hell, cause then you get wet underwear... So having a company consolidate a model of clothing, and choose the longer? Heaven-sent. Already have enough trouble getting size 13 UK shoes, without breaking the bank, Converse are my mains just because around £50 for a pair is the lowest I can reliably get shoes. If I want boots I usually have to look around £200.
I’ve had my active Jack for like 4 years now, I just picked it up at fred Meyers(Kroger) and it’s still in useable condition. I believe it’s just duck but I use it every fall and winter season so it’s gone through some things working as a carpenter
12:30 J140 & B01are imported now. last season made in usa was spring 23. pretty sure nothing is made in usa as of 2024. gloves, socks, boots, kids clothes and backpacks are licensed out to other manufacturers. new detroit drops this fall; corduroy lining instead of blanket, 25.5" back, snap adj hem.
Damn, so it is true that they have discontinued the USA made J131 and J140. I've been looking for those in a few American online stores and one of the stores said they were discontinued, but I didn't want to believe it. That's horrible news.
Yea.. I have some Carhartt stuff I work around the house in, but I’m just not gonna do any form of working while wearing my $200+ Carhartt jackets or $100+ hoodies. I’d go so far as to say I have more Carhartt stuff I purpose for fashion than working
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I love your in-depth reviews man. Keep up these amazing videos. All the cuts and edits make all your vids so well produced, Its really nice watching. There's very rarely a boring moment
Look into this PLEASE!
Carhart release a jacket in 2017, It was High quality like the ones our dads bought when we were kids.
They discontinued it in 2019. such a short time right? I remember the model started with a B. Bernard, or something..
i have one, but i stupidly cut the tags off it. never thought id talk about it.. Never thought their quality would go down....
I still remember seeing my dad with his Stanley thermos and Carhartt jacket going to work.
Never thought of them as fashion that's for sure.
It's fascinating see work wear become fashion over time. Lots of Japanese brands are obsessed with classic American workwear from the 30s and 40s for instance.
Yeah, I saw my dad going to work like that as a young boy and I'm like, that's cool dad. Then I got in the trades and there's a lot more too it. But my dad is still cool. He did become a Chicago fireman for over 20 years but had to retire due to a heart issue and now he's back to his old trade as a linesman. Which is way cooler imo. Even though he's still an electrician...😂 jk we love our sparks.
@@stealthiestboy Workwear has always been fashion I mean jeans are workwear clothes and everyone wears it
@@robzsarmy5471 we all know clothing is inherently fashion, but workwear was originally intended for, well work. Not just for expensive fashion brands.
And if he worked for them.. he would have been fired for not taking the poison jab...fck Carhartt
As a blue collar worker from the Midwest I have to say yes modern Carhartt is great and holds up very well to wear and tear.
yes they do. My older jackets are warmer for some reason. Just something I've noticed.
In Europe we got not normal Carhartt just the Fashion version (WIP)
@@robzsarmy5471 wrong, i got two regular Carhartt jackets, traditional coat and sawtooth parka in Poland
Yeah, I left a comment on the Short that led me into this bigger video. I have a J130-M made in Mexico, just the standard farming jacket here in the Midwest. Was $100, and is almost just like the Carhartt I remember as a kid. Almost all the complaints he had of this jacket weren't an issue in mine.
@@robzsarmy5471 Depends where. You can get much of the classic lines in any EU countries.
Hey man, thanks for the shoutout! I’m actually heading to Detroit to visit the Carhartt archive in June, I can certainly ask the question about the shell material. I do know that they changed their lining because the old lining was actually insanely low quality. It was chosen for the durability as you mentioned, but was very close to car trunk lining in quality.
While I have a very special connection to my J97, in my opinion the best Detroit jacket ever was the 6QLJ with the red nylon quilt lining. Love your videos bro, nicely done! I’ll try to get some more answers from the source on my trip to the archive (which I really hope is in a cool cement vault with a big iron door and some dude named Boris guarding it).
Gotta get you a Carhartt vault suit
Carl is always good for getting the rest of the info! I love this young guys style of video and review.
@@kevinorr6880 nah, you can’t trust that Carl guy…
@@CarlMurawski He can't throw a hat worth a darn, but a solid worker.
carhardt is a lgbtq+ brand that doesn't represent blue collar workers. funny how carhardt was into forcing vaccines and masks on people, yet 95% of blue collar guys I know were against it. sadly they're too dumb to do any kind of brand research and continue to support.
Free repairs also allows Carhartt to collect data on durability to identify where they can cut and where they need to build quality going forward. So, they are paying for information from you that helps them produce better products. Win, win.
I never knew they would fix there old coats. I got one with holes on the sleeve I may consider sending in, seeing if they will repair it. It's near 30 years old
As a blue collared worker. I think some of the criticism carhartt gets comes from people wearing it as a fashion piece, instead of what it’s meant for. which I don’t have a problem with. But, I’ve seen people blame the quality coming down due to them believing they are catering to non blue collared workers.
Could there be a third type of people who aren't necessarily blue collared workers that are looking for some clothes that are more durable than what they are used to?
@@UpperCumberlandGamers yeah, for sure. It’s smart, get some durable work pants that can last way longer being worn for daily use. Personally I don’t wear work clothing outside of work due to comfortability. But I know a lot of people who like wearing heavier clothes
@@p1mpmasterbackhand I mean, it is becoming an issue with a lot of companies cutting corners so that the clothing that they make lasts less in a sort of planned obsolescence program. I've personally noticed this with my clothing where old clothing just seems to be more durable than new clothing.
@@UpperCumberlandGamers yeah I have too. I usually buy the cheap clothing from target, because I’ve realize it last just as long as name brand stuff these days.
@@UpperCumberlandGamers if you get some good solid work pants, you'll rarely have to actually wash them, which wears denim out pretty good, as well as other materials like whatever chinos are. Aside from that, I'm not *actively* a blue collar guy, but cmon now I was an infantryman for 4 years and done construction for a few years on top of that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with not being blue collar but wanting more durable clothes than aren't mass produced as cheaply as humanly possible without any care for quality or durability. For underwear/shirts, look into the George brand at Walmart, and carhartt is the gold standard, but dickies and a few others are fairly solid. Carhartt is like the Toyota and dickies is Ford. Both serviceable, will do the job no problem, but one has more thought and care put into it, if that makes sense.
When i was a kid, my dad had a Carhartt. And when I seen my uncle had one as well, i said as a kid, "you have my dads jacket."
When i was 14 or 15, i asked my dad if i could wear his jacket. Later that year he bought me one.
That was for sure a core memory I will try to pass on.
Meanwhile, my stepdad has been stealing *my* Carhartt jackets my whole life. xD That's alright though; he gets cold easily and they keep him warm and protected while he works, so that's all that matters to me.
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I will say this about Carhart quality- a few years ago I climbed down a roadside embankment through a thicket of briars to do a rescue on an accident in the middle of winter during a snow storm. When I climbed out of that mess and later looked at my jacket...not a mark or a tear and I stayed warm the whole time. If I had been wearing anything else in my jacket collection it would have been shredded. I give Carhart a 10/10 on toughness.
Great video.
About the pockets, please consider that when you work with the jacket, the pocket is going to be filled with screws and dust and other trash. In my experiance it is nice to be able to flip it out to empty all the little particles. It is not that important but I wanted to share. Great video
That is a great point and I agree!
The woodchips that get into it suck for sure
I'd love to see a work pants comparison video between Dickies Ben Davis, Carhaart etc.
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Carl Murawski did one or two videos doing just this
It's like 50 different models of Dickies now.
1620 and orgin review be nice
This!
I’m a 75 year old from St Lawrence County on the NY Canadian border. My image of Carhart from my childhood is a dairy barn at 4am in February at -10F. A single light bulb hangs from the barn ceiling, steam rises from the dairy cows, barn cats avoid the cows streaming urine, and the farmer wears his trusty Carhart. Now I see a Carhart store in the Lafayette Mall in Paris or a guy in his Range Rover in Marin County CA.
For whatever it's worth, there are still plenty of Upstate NY farmers and farmhands that still choose Carhart over anything else.
Here in rural Nebraska, carhartt products get worn until they are broken down so much that even repaired, they’d still be worn out. As long as they still zip and don’t have giant holes, they get worn.
Maybe you shouldn't have moved to California.
One thing I liked about some of the older Carhartts is they had numerical sizing instead of S, M, L. I wear a 38R jacket so it was easy to just look for a 38R Carhartt and it would fit. There was less of a jump between sizes so it was easier to find a perfect fit. My J01 and J02 from the late 2000s are size 38.
What are you, hinting at birthday present ideas? Why do we care what your size is?
Levi's, Filson and Dickies. They all used to occupy the space that Carhartt exists in now, but they've all transformed into different companies for different customers. Carhartt WILL drop their quality because the masses are less demanding, and they won't bother sending the clothes in for repair because they'd rather buy new stuff anyway, which is great for business. Eventually a new company, like Blaklader, will take their place as Carhartt pivots into more of a lifestyle brand, like Patagonia.
Patagonia is still pretty good. I think North Face is a better example of Enshittification
Patagonia makes good stuff still
Patagonia is still good but the clock is ticking ever since they got bought out by a different company.
@@MrTAGGER88 "Patagonia is still pretty good." True, but because of the name you're getting a "pretty good" item but you're paying a premium item price.
About 20 years ago I bought Carhartt Extreme coat and bibs. I still wear them on occasion when it’s REALLY cold outside and I’m doing work. They are extremely durable. But I am also more prone to wearing more “style” than utilitarian clothing now in my 50s.
The term you're looking for with the J97 is that it's interlined rather than lined. This tends to add more structure to the jacket as the liner also supports the outer fabric. While it's not as clean as a liner, it has more benefits in a work piece.
Watch guy here, followed you to this channel many years back, not really into clothes but I like watching you talk about anything and I have learned a lot! Just wanted to say wow, when did you get 126k subs, I'm so happy to see you doing so well and any updates on Taylor, I'm low key invested.
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Carhart WIP are more durable and have never skimped on quality. I am European and WIP in Europe is seen as very durable and not throw away clothes, my coats, jeans and T-shirts last years and years and years. Best clothes I have ever bought in my life and will not buy anything else.
But you pay way more for WIP than for carhartt for essentially the same materials. The main differentiator being the fit. Wip has better fit.
Yep. I am French and checked out WIP, it's definitely TOUGH AF.
But not exactly fashion clothing IMHO. It's definitely workwear.
Everything is very heavy and thick.
There’s really a difference in the zippers carhartt actually made the hole rounded so you can pull from a 360 degree angle, because they got feed back that the old zipper used to break when you pulled them up from an angle
The Detroit Jacket is one of my favorite pieces ever. I've had a couple from the late 90's (older version) to early 00's (newer-ish version, but not the new version). I could seconds at a Carhartt Outlet for around $50. Back then I used to wear my clothes waaaay too big, and the jackets were oversized. I eventually got rid of them. Now I sooooooo wish I kept them (I also had a brown duck Type III blanket lined jacket, that I still wish I had). I've ordered and returned the modern Detroit Jacket. It's a travesty. They've neutered it. I'm interested in the W.I.P. version(s) but they're asking a lot for it. I may get one just for nostalgia. _______ Great video! Well done.
WIP is overpriced for sure. But I treat it as not a fast fashion, so I don't need to worry they go out of trend. Or I wear them to work anyways, so I still win in the long run paying a bit extra. I inter-change both mainline and WIP items and I am happy with both.
Have you seen the "Re-Engineered" Detroit? I saw another commenter mention them, and it's much closer in fit to the original.
I heard of that from some other review. But that one seems doesn't have the blanket liner instead of a regular mesh for not as cold weather. But cutting and stitching wise they are close to original Detroit jacket without the drop tail. Very alike Autumn version of the WIP style
@@felixchow4662 Thanks for the additional details! I wasn't sure what the liner was like on that one. Hopefully they do an extra version with the correct weight and liner soon.
@@Sanguivore I don't think they will. The updated version is actually more functional at a job site or working in a warehouse environment. The thinner version is really more for the looks in my book.#Carlmurawski has a very detail comparison at the end of his "Ultimate Guide to the Iconic Interstellar Jacket" Very useful information.
I got the best of both worlds. I have a model which is around 10-15 years old. Nice thick material with corduroy collar from before the redesigned detroit, but it has the modern collar snaps.
And it's got the pocket lining!
@@redacted1462 Good for you.
My 125 is my favorite jacket. I bought the snap on hood to go with it. I’ve owned mine for almost 20 years. It’s nowhere near to looking old. The thing’s bulletproof…
As a European, i got a lot of WIP products, and they are awesome, old school fits and really nice materials, but the price is ridiculous!
The USA made Carhartt is very hard come by new. They need to expand more into the EU, i don't wanna pay 150€ on a summer chore coate 😭
I had gotten a new carhartt winter jacket at the beginning of the season. One of the J130, it was slightly different than my previous 2 jackets. I was a little surprised by the small details put into it. Still great quality and one of my all time favorite pieces of clothing. Though I’m probably in the minority that I do cut off the small patch on the pocket.
That floating liner on the newer jacket is considered to be higher quality from a tailoring perspective than the one that is panel sewn. The floating will have fewer friction points and allow for better fles and moving. The looser weave on the newer lining will also have more insulation value, even if it were the same thickness, because it allows for more air pockets.
Taking the time to learn how to sew is a great way to improve your critiquing abilities!
I honestly like not having a pocket liner, it makes my jacket more utilitarian as I can reliably put my hand in there and grab things out.
And I’ve been using a Carhartt jacket for framing/agricultural work for the last 2 years and the pockets haven’t failed or had any signs of failure.
Miss you on Theo and Harris. It hasn’t been the same since you left.
Agreed
Came here to see what watch he’s wearing
Carhartt, make a Moss Green Detroit again! Hundreds of thousands of park workers have to wear Moss in uniform and Dickies is the only mainstream option.
I respect your total completion of the research needed to provide this type of in depth information. Oh I'm sub'n!
A vintage J97 (in red especially) is far more expensive than a new one now days !! Carhartt crazy!
Here in Europe IS the Moss Green one
Goddamn dude your video production quality is insane, the timing, the music, the script, shot establishment, color grading
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my dad (imagine late 50s, button up shirt, Yankees baseball cap, salomons, wayy to big hiking pants) took a selfie for me in front of the carhartt WIP store in prauge while on a trip. He asked the group of like 30, 15-22 year old dudes if they'd be ok being in the background and they're all smiling in the behind him couple giving a thumbs up, I can only wonder if theyre thinking "damn this dude's outfit is weirdly close to mine but he's a middle aged American tourist from an area where fishing is popular and I'm a European fashion bro"
There I was minding my own business, and the next thing I know, I’ve purchased another Carharrt! 😂
Very appropriate choice of a Casio 5610, out and about in its environment and all-weather ops
Working as a carpenter I’ve gone through some clothes, and modern Carhartt pants have gone way down in toughness. I have a vintage pair I finally busted but in that time I went through 2 modern pairs(all double front)
if you like the fit of the J97 check out the OJ6306-M form Carhartt, but it's hard to find
Great video. I was always wondering why carhartt was still somewhat popular with enthusiats and now I know why. In my region they only sell "Work in Progress", and the quality is not good, to put it politely. So until now, I thought that was Carhartt quality. The Fashion division really tarnishes the brand, because most people will think that that is the Carhartt of today.
Hi! Hard disagree. I own a whole lotta Carhartt items, both Workwear and WIP and while I haven't done an in-depth comparison like in the vid, I feel the general quality between the two is very similar. I guess YMMV, but these are my personal thoughts.
From 2019-2022 i was working nights on an open shipping dock (it was basically working outdoors) in northwest Indiana. I had to endure 3 midwest winters at night. My Carhartt duck jacket and Carhartt coveralls came in clutch. If you're wearing them for their intended purpose (to keep you warm while being able to still move and work) these fuckers work like a charm. When it comes to jackets, Carhartt is the golden standard for me.
I don't know how you kept your thoughts in line when splicing between so many different shots. But it sure made for an entertaining and funny video to watch. I didn't much care about the topic itself, but watched every minute.
As an oilfield worker in west Texas, Carhartt FR holds up very well. I realize those are niche products made to ASNI and/or NFPA standards but I did want to still throw a point towards modern Carhartt.
I love the editing and location of your videos! Also a super informative video as well.
After coming into a j65 ive definitly developed an appriciation for the design. This video definitly led me to look at the jacket when i came across it at a bin store
Still got a hoodie and double knee pants with the US made label in them. They are built different. Had em for a long long time. Quality was amazing back then, and hard to get in 🇬🇧 at that time
Years ago I inherited my dad’s carhartt button up work coat. I wore it to work every cold day for years. It was by far my favorite piece of cold weather work wear, largely due to the saddle blanket liner which carried through the sleeves. It finally started to look pretty sorry so I decided to buy me a new one, but to my great disappointment the new work coat has a slick plastic feeling liner in the sleeves that seems way less durable and irritates the skin if you’ve gotten into any fiberglass or other such building materials.
This young man works hard to show details on jackets that is for sure.
I have one from the '90s no idea what model # it is. Its always been to short and boxy but the details and the duck fabric were amazing
The fit in the new Detroit jacket is so catastrophic that I switched to the CornerStone Detroit clone. It definitely inferior in build quality and lining, but it actually fits me and is certainly tough enough. It seems that the new Detroit jacket caters to fashion. I lift so I appreciate the wide sleeves and the boxy fit. But the new one is wider in the waist with smaller sleeves. It is all gut and no arms. The butt flap as you say might be designed to cover things, but then this is not the jacket for you. Carhartt has many longer jackets. I have an Active Jacket and I have no complaints there.
The problem is have is with the ykk zipper. On 2 Carhartt coats, my Zipper pull has broken off.
I have a new Carhartt jacket, but I still find myself wearing my dad’s 30+ year-old Carhartt jacket regularly
Thanks for the video buddy, just finished my first week as a union sheet metal worker, got to listen on my drive home!
Welcome Brother! Local 105 for 35 years….still wearing the Carhart.
I had Mexican made Carhartt pants; triple stitched but where did it fail? The fabric split just next to the seam, and I don't even work construction.
Send it in for repair, or replacement, no cost to you. As long as it’s not worn out or abused, they will likely cover it.
Does it look good with the Timberlands?
Not too familiar with the main line Carhartt considering I'm not a tradesman or blue-collar worker in general. I don't like cosplaying as a plumber when I work a desk job.
However, I am a fan of the WIP line which is fashion oriented. The Newman coat and the Highland jacket are some great pieces.
Loving the sneaker authenticity at there. Finally a place I can trust! 🌟
Their quality has declined and their prices went up. Thanks NAFTA.
Like your video. Had a pair of Carhartt overalls from the late 80’s that over the past year have been showing their age. Have a hooded jacket from the early 90’s, still in fantastic shape. Also have overalls, pants, and a barn coat from the early 2000’s. Not sure about other people’s carhartts and other models of their clothing, but mine have been fantastic. For me, the durability is impressive.
I love the ending. You nailed it 100%
Where would one find a deadstock Carhartt J97 for $170?
At the end of the day, clothing is the sum of its parts. Polyester is polyester, cotton is cotton, nylon is nylon etc. You can buy Lululemon, Vuori, Carhartt or any other popular brand, but the cheaper brands use the same materials. Clothing is all about showing people what brand you're wearing via a logo, and brands charge a premium for that "honor". Honestly though, I respect the business of it all. Exploiting people who can't wrap their heads around what they're spending their money on is really pretty genius. I also think it's kind of funny how people that wear Carhartt as work clothing because it's a "Merican" brand and rugged are just buying foreign made items that have essentially become streetwear. Modern branding is truly a masterclass in manipulation. You have to respect it though. What's also interesting is that cotton is terrible at wicking moisture. So, when you're working and sweating while wearing a Carhartt jacket it's actually significantly worse to wear versus a man made material like polyester or nylon. There's a reason athletes, mountain climbers, or anyone doing any type of physical activity wear synthetic materials. Cotton isn't the way to go if you're going to be sweating at all.
Not all materials are equal, Levi's denim and Wrangler denim are both denim like you say a materials is a material and it's the same across brands, but it's not, and synthetics can't usually be around fire or sparks If you were welding or camping, not to mention less breathable. But materials are not all created equal even of its the same supposed type of cloth.
@@dante_f4563 I would love to see some factual data that Wrangler and Levi's cotton is different. Can you provide me a link to that information? As for polyester/nylon not being able to be around fire, you're correct. I disagree with camping unless you're planning on jumping in the fire. If a small ember kicks off a simple camp fire, your polyester isn't going to instantly melt to your skin. Nylon and polyester are perfectly safe to wear around basic camp fires. Fire resistant clothing is mandatory for some jobs, but you're talking about a small sect of the world population. Also, polyester is very breathable. Nylon is not. That's why nylon is typically used in waterproof rain jackets.
I love cotton during the summer because it absorbs your sweat and then it evaporates but what I had with polyester shirts that they stick to you when you sweat could you please inform me on their moisture wicking properties
@lf2334 this same RUclipsr made a video 11 months ago on why and how wrangler is better quality than Levi's, but the shorthand is that wrangler uses a different twill weave and heavier fabric which makes them overall more durable jeans, if you want to see that in detail, watch the video.
@@dante_f4563 I watched a video around the same time that this video came out that did extensive testing showing that there was not a difference. You can believe what you want, but I resell clothing for a living. Materials are materials. Outdoor clothing brands are purely branding. Compare an Arcteryx polyester shirt to an Eddie Bauer polyester shirt and tell me it's different. I understand this isn't denim, but the marketing is absurd.
you should try the carhartt WIP detroit jacket, much more similar to the j97!
Great video, love the J97 line I have 3 jackets in the model that I plan on keeping for many years.
One thing that does annoy me about a Detroit jacket I bought around 4 years ago is the fluff. It attracted so much lint. My old one didn’t do this at all.
The basic all tan Carhartt cap is the only hat I’ve owned that A) fits my head with all my long as hell hair underneath when it’s tied back and down and B) held up from working in it.
I don’t and probably won’t wear a Carhartt jacket of my own because the weird uptick in people buying and selling jackets online secondhand (and upping the price to high heaven) has made them really unaffordable for me and why I’ve started looking at brands Berne for similar styles.
I've watch this over and over again. Great job m. Snail
I’ve had a 70s carhartt chore coat a 80s carhartt Detroit jacket and a new Detroit jacket and a Duluth button up jacket and my favorite was my 70s carhartt
I never pay full price for my carhartt. I wait for sales and then I pester them until they give me a further discount. Then, I hand them my Native Status Card for tax exemption. I bought a Barlett Jacket yesterday and saved almost $100.
That’s great! I didn’t realize native’s also got a sales tax exemption. That adds up over time, especially in bigger ticket items.
@@bondpit8750 Hell yeah!
In Canada we have what's called HST. It's 13%.
8% Federal Government and 5% Provincial. We don't pay the 8% Federal Government Tax. But I don't pay the Federal or Provincial in most places because they don't seem to know that. Before HST we didn't pay Tax at all. Natives hard but lost and were made to pay Provincial.
Only 5% of my Reservation remains. They keep taking everything.
Would be awesome if you reviewed the Buck Mason Dry wax canvas jacket!
Any news about the mammoth jacket restock?
I have two coats less than 5 years old. One is ok. Probably worse than the old ones. The winter jacket is amazing. The best you can buy.
Purchased a brand new detroit jacket from the f/w 2021 season a couple days ago. I cut that tail off for aesthetic reasons and i do wish some stuff from the older jackets like the cuffs and the brass hardware carried over, but im not mad at it as its a nice jacket i can put a whole lot together with it and still wear it to work.
Hey Mike, I like a lot your videos, but I noticed that there's not anyone about Schott Bros. Aviator leather jacket. Can you please make one? Many thanks.
Tried to replace my J97 (worn to dust) with a modern. It’s not the same. Still love my new one though
Which is stronger? A polyester lining or a wool lining(both 100%)?
When I was in the Middle East as a civilian contractor chaining down rolling stock on the deck of a flatbed tractor trailer... (with Mortar Fire in the background) Carhartt Was There! 👊😎
I think the other reason the traditional options are what are made here is because they own the factory. It is cheaper to make major changes to a product you are contracting out than one you are building in house in an old factory.
And what about Super Dux fabric? Pro and cons? Thanks, and cheers from Italy 🇮🇹
Man i had one that was passed down to me by my step dad, had the old style wool flannel liner. it was faded and beat up from years of work and it looked amazing with the patina. I gave it to a buddy of mine who used it and worked hard in it too, not sure what ever happened to it. lol
If you pay attention to the tags inside some Carhartt stuff is made in the U.S. and some is made in Mexico which I think is why two size medium of the same garment fits differently.
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The vibe on Poizon is so chill, love scrolling through!😍
pushing through bramble bushes, fencing and all round outdoor work, plus wearing it on my motorbike.
j97, had it fifteen years and still not even a hole. it has been washed a lot because it gets filthy and is now so faded it has retained almost none of its original colour and there's fraying on the cuffs... but it is like an old friend.
I bought the Active Jac in firm duck. I got it specifically because it will break in over time. It's been a week and it's already much softer.
Anyone know a good method on getting your jackets where it sits right at the waist and the sleeves aren’t too long?
Go see a good tailor. Make sure to start with a jacket that fits properly across the shoulders. Someone commented earlier that they had their sleeves shortened and the back flap removed on the current edition of the Detroit jacket.
Carhartt has been transforming itself into a leisure brand for some time now. Therefore, it is not surprising that the things are softer and less robust. Especially since most work clothing is so specialized that you can hardly make any money with universal clothing.
Dickies and others reacted more quickly.
Carhartt has simultaneously made my most durable and least durable work wear. Some of their pants last multiple seasons and some last like 1/2 a summer. Just have to research the products before buying and you’ll get an awesome piece.
Dude you're really funny and informative also
I was never into the regular workwear carhartt line but the moment carhartt Work In Progress introduction in the 90s and them gaining steam through the early 00's and now being full blown as one of the top mass-sold "medium end" street style brands is amazing to me. To this day, Carhartt WIP incorporates the best of both workwear and subculture worlds in a glorious harmony. Also some really sweet collaborations!
Classic Michael and the iron snail. THANK YOU for this.
I've been looking for the USA made Active Jackets J131 and J140, but in some US online stores they say they're discontinued. Do you happen to know anything about that?
If you're looking for a good alternative to the Detroit jacket with a couple more original 50s features then - the Sugar Cane duck canvas work jacket is excellent - Picked a brand new one up on eBay recently for £92 and have worn it every day.
I'm 6'5" and am a size 3XL in shirts and often 2XL in jackets, my biggest problem is that they are too short, being made more for shorter but wider people, than average but taller people, I often have shirts and jackets I'd love, but run at EXACTLY my trouser tops, or even are too short, leaving a gap, with a jacket this isn't too big a problem, but for shirts...
I live in Wales, Britain already rains a lot, Wales rains even more specifically, so having a jacket or shirt that rides up, is hell, cause then you get wet underwear... So having a company consolidate a model of clothing, and choose the longer?
Heaven-sent.
Already have enough trouble getting size 13 UK shoes, without breaking the bank, Converse are my mains just because around £50 for a pair is the lowest I can reliably get shoes. If I want boots I usually have to look around £200.
Where did you buy the J97 new with tags?
This is why I’ve bought old school carhartt jackets shorts and pants
I have an old one and a new one with the superdux, and I like them both, but the dux is warmer and more comfortable.
I’ve had my active Jack for like 4 years now, I just picked it up at fred Meyers(Kroger) and it’s still in useable condition. I believe it’s just duck but I use it every fall and winter season so it’s gone through some things working as a carpenter
Michael!!! Carhartt just released the "re-engineed" Detroit jacket! You should do another video on it comparing it to these
12:30 J140 & B01are imported now. last season made in usa was spring 23. pretty sure nothing is made in usa as of 2024. gloves, socks, boots, kids clothes and backpacks are licensed out to other manufacturers. new detroit drops this fall; corduroy lining instead of blanket, 25.5" back, snap adj hem.
Damn, so it is true that they have discontinued the USA made J131 and J140. I've been looking for those in a few American online stores and one of the stores said they were discontinued, but I didn't want to believe it. That's horrible news.
You’re killing it dude! Great content.
J97 is peak. Got one in 17, ill never get rid of it
Just don’t buy the fancy carhartt fashion junk and you’ll be fine.
Those are elbow darts not gussets, gussets are when extra material is added.
Yea.. I have some Carhartt stuff I work around the house in, but I’m just not gonna do any form of working while wearing my $200+ Carhartt jackets or $100+ hoodies. I’d go so far as to say I have more Carhartt stuff I purpose for fashion than working