I’m 65 and Ben have been bowhunting for a lot of years. Recently have decided to get serious about archery and scanned RUclips for instructional videos. Yours are the best I have found. I have been working on the back tension with a strap release and also changing my aiming to focus on the target not the pin. I have seen some good improvement in a short amount of time. Good coaching and good videos thank you.
@@Stonedog77 thank you so much for your comment. It’s so fulfilling to me to know I’m able to help someone that’s been doing this for many years. Keep up the good work!
This is excellent. I loved how you broke down the steps in writing. I photographed each page for later reference. I am having trouble pulling through with my trigger release. Every once in a while, I get a shot that goes wild to the left. I’m pretty sure it’s target panic and me trying to command the shot with my finger, instead of pulling.
Wow! This was exactly what I needed. I’ve typed up your notes and posted one copy on my wall at work so I can look at it all day and visualize the steps, the other is going in my case w/my bow. Been trying to switch from my current “style” of release to shooting with back tension. Great video, great information, so thank you!
That's 27 min I don't want back. Every second was educational, thank you. I'll let you know how it works out. I guess this is more work than I wanted to put in.
Awesome. Probably the best and most detailed and correct information on this EVER. I've been using a trigger for many years mainly for hunting. I have a new Stan execution 2 coming. Can't wait to try it. It has a new different internal design that supposedly doesn't transfer the load friction/energy? to the trigger via the hook. Love your work.
@@BowOnlyOutdoors - first time shooting with the new method at our club last night. Score improved from shooting around 260/270 to 286. More importantly my ends improved over the whole shoot and did not steadily decline as per usual as I seemingly don’t get tired shooting like this. Most importantly - shooting felt great and very natural and highly satisfying - and with every shot my confidence grew using the new system. Revelation…. Thanks again mate.
Hey bud, brand new to archery. Expert with rifles and pistols. I need lots of training and practice with my bow. Thank you for the excellent instruction. Quick question: with firearms (iron sights) you must focus on front sight and keep target blurry - but you stated to focus on target rather than sight. Is there more to this? Archery breaks so many firearm marksmanship fundamentals! Lol
This doesn’t translate over to iron sights on firearms nearly as well, but it does work extremely well when shooting shotguns at arial targets! If using a red dot on a pistol, it works best to focus on the target rather than the dot.
Just ran across this and would like to say excellent advice. The release adjustment is great advice as i have been struggling with some target panic and punching after 40 years of no problems. Adjusted as you suggested on a B3 hawk and has definitely helped with pull through and shot. Do you have any experience with the new truball extension rt back tension release? Thank's!
Thank you! The B3 Hawk is an amazing release for the money. I have shot the truball extension r/t a fair amount as a great friend gave one to me to test out. The principle of the release is great, but what I’ve found is that it is much easier to feel the pressure building against your fingers with a handheld release then it is from a strap when adding pressure. I’m sure you could get a better feel for it if you spent a lot of time with it, but it would definitely take some commitment and practice to nail it down, just like any tension activated release. Hope this helps! - Josh
The spot Hogg wiseguy is a good release, but you cannot adjust the trigger independent of the travel to be stiffer or have increased tension without adding trigger travel. That is why it did not make my recommended list. You can still use this release to shoot with backtension, it just makes it that much harder to learn and achieve the best results possible.
I ordered a Carter like Mike 2 to get my trigger very heavy I have a tru ball short and sweet i can’t wrap my finger around the trigger without it going off so I ordered a like Mike so I can wrap my finger around the trigger
I just bought a new wrist strap release and I love it. But the instructions that came with it says not to allow your release to fall after you shoot. Why is that? I notice you allow yours to fall after your shots and my release is very similar to yours. I've seen other ppl shoot and are able to keep it from falling but I can't. Is it wrong to shoot like this?
If the release portion falls from your hand after it has been fired, it won’t effect the flight of the arrow. It is not incorrect to let it fall on its own as squeezing it with your hand can add unwanted tension during the aiming and execution portion of the shot.
Hi there! I wanted to get into archery a few years ago, bought a 62"/60lb recurve, and then... motorcycle accident that shattered my wrist. Thought I would never be able to shoot because I didn't have the wrist/finger strength. Hope was renewed when I learned that a wrist strap trigger existed! I have a TRU Ball that was gifted to me that I'm trying to learn. I'm a left handed shooter, 6ft tall. My eventual goal is superb aim, then waterfowl/small deer hunting. Any advice is welcomed!
Hey man, do you remember what size allen key you used to adjust your wiseguy? I have used the smallest ones I can find, and I still can't find one small enough lol. Thanks a lot for the video!
I am looking for a fang style release I’m just starting out and would like to develop the right habits as described. I have looked for the Carter Lucky but cannot find it available in Canada. I’m looking for a wrist strap fang style with the adjustments you suggest. If you could offer any insight it would be greatly appreciated! I have no suppliers locally so I will need to order online ?
In the video description. I copied them below for your convenience. ► Wrist Strap Releases I recommend! Carter Lucky(THE ONE USED IN THE VIDEO): amzn.to/3acuHuH Carter Like Mike: amzn.to/3bHnyCU Carter Quickie: amzn.to/2JwNa9x Carter RX1: amzn.to/3dNCAJi Truball Execute: amzn.to/2R4Dtnd Truball short n sweet: amzn.to/2wVLOCA AFFORDABLE B3 Hawk Flex (great release for the money): amzn.to/3J0X6Za
@@BowOnlyOutdoors I love the looks of the Lucky but it seems Carter is not making it anymore. Thats to bad I like the smaller size of that head compared to the Like Mike.
Hi. Wanted to buy your recommended releases you listed on your videos. But unfortunately, they are not available in Amazon (shipping to the Philippines). Can you recommend another brand/model? I hope you can help me. Thanks!
The releases I recommended are great because the trigger travel adjustment is independent from the trigger weight required to fire. On most releases, when you adjust the weight of the trigger, you are also adjusting the travel. I recommended releases that offer adjustability of both independently. You can still shoot a release that has trigger travel properly, it just takes more discipline and shot control.
I don’t believe I have used the xtinction 2 before, but if it is anything like the other wrist straps I have shot from stan, I would highly recommend it.
I've seen other videos saying to decrease the preload as much as possible that way its less of the finger doing the release and more of the tension from the D loop pulling open the clasp on the release. Any thoughts on that? I feel like with a hair trigger with a lot of pre load on it i wouild be more likely to still be pulling the trigger.
If the release was set so that you could pull the D-loop through the jaws of the release, you wouldn't be able to get the bow drawn back to full draw (safely anyway) as the draw weight of the bow will be higher then the tension of you pulling against the back wall that would cause the D-loop to slip through the jaws of the release. When you refer to preload, it sounds like you are referring to trigger travel which is the adjustment that could allow for the loop to slip through the jaws if set improperly. When I say preload, I refer to it as the amount of tension I have with my finger on the trigger before I begin my shot process to fire the release. A hair trigger would refer to the trigger tension being set very light, not just the trigger travel. A trigger that is set with no movement, but with a high tension to fire is what I am referring to to best make this method work. I apologize if this seems unclear. I would happy to try and explain further if needed. - Josh
So I just got a compound bow and a tru ball trigger release. I took it out the package and evertime I draw with it, it will "misfire". I can find any videos on how to fix this..
The screw adjusts both simultaneously. Although the wise guy is a great release, unfortunately you cannot add trigger tension without adding trigger travel to it.
I dont understand how your finger will fire the bow by pulling back at the wrist and elbow. A trigger release is attached to the wrist which is connected to the elbow. They are constant distances - the more you pull back the more the string will follow the wrist strap to which it is connected? Unless you pull back with the finger as in squeeze the trigger it will never fire? I dont understand this often repeated logic. Struggling with this concept.
I totally understand your thought process completely and I’m happy to provide more details to help you understand and I’m sure it will help many others with the same question as well. Simply pulling back against the back wall will not build pressure on the trigger, ultimately, not firing the release. What is actually happening is that the bow, bowstring, and wrist strap release is staying in the exact same position, but as you pull, your hand is very slightly pulling through the strap of your wrist strap release. Think of it this way, the pulling of the elbow straight back is the method used to gain the most feedback to know that you are firing the release because it is easy to feel it, but the release will not fire without pressure on the trigger. Your conscious thought process is feeling the pressure on your finger build against the trigger as you are building pressure by pulling your elbow straight back. If you simply only squeeze the trigger with your finger, this is totally doable, but it is much harder for the average person to control the movement and get feedback from it, where as building pressure against the trigger by allowing your hand to slowly slide through the strap allows more feedback to tell your brain that the shot is going to fire. If you find yourself not building pressure on the trigger as you pull through, loosen your wrist strap one notch, then shorten the release head to get the trigger in the correct position. You should feel the pressure of the wrist strap increase against your hand as you pull through and you should feel the pressure building on the trigger steadily until it fires. I hope this helps visualize this concept more in-depth and allows you to take the next steps forward with your shot. All the best! - Josh
Thanks Josh. Much appreciated. I stopped following through and tried keeping everything still like with a rifle. My groups just wont shrink no matter how hard I try - about 2.7 inches at 20m. Starting to retrain with pulling through from tomorrow.
No, I don't personally recommend it because the trigger is too light. A lot of people love the wise guy and can shoot it extremely well, but I've found a light trigger can be troublesome down the road as far as trigger and shot anticipation go. It is EASIER to learn how to shoot with this method with the releases I listed, that's why I listed them. Thank you for watching!
The Wiseguy is a good release, but the ones I linked I prefer much better because of the independent trigger tension and separate trigger travel adjustments. The wiseguy is still much better than most on the market, just not in my top list.
Although some releases do have the name of "back tension", the true name for those style of releases would be resistance or tension, the way in which those releases activate and fire is caused be tension or resistance on the hook which is preset to a certain weight. True back tension (tension in the muscles of the back, primarily upper back) should be used to fire all styles of releases from index finger, thumb button, to resistance, if the cleanest and most accurate shot is wanted. Although somewhat confusing, this video entails the use of proper back tension to fire an index finger release. Hope this helps!
I’m 65 and Ben have been bowhunting for a lot of years. Recently have decided to get serious about archery and scanned RUclips for instructional videos. Yours are the best I have found. I have been working on the back tension with a strap release and also changing my aiming to focus on the target not the pin. I have seen some good improvement in a short amount of time. Good coaching and good videos thank you.
@@Stonedog77 thank you so much for your comment. It’s so fulfilling to me to know I’m able to help someone that’s been doing this for many years. Keep up the good work!
This is excellent. I loved how you broke down the steps in writing. I photographed each page for later reference. I am having trouble pulling through with my trigger release. Every once in a while, I get a shot that goes wild to the left. I’m pretty sure it’s target panic and me trying to command the shot with my finger, instead of pulling.
Wow! This was exactly what I needed. I’ve typed up your notes and posted one copy on my wall at work so I can look at it all day and visualize the steps, the other is going in my case w/my bow. Been trying to switch from my current “style” of release to shooting with back tension. Great video, great information, so thank you!
You are very welcome! That is a great way to implement it and with enough dedication and determination, you will achieve it in no time.
That's 27 min I don't want back. Every second was educational, thank you. I'll let you know how it works out. I guess this is more work than I wanted to put in.
It is definitely a commitment, but one you won’t regret if you stay committed to it! Thank you for the kind words.
Awesome. Probably the best and most detailed and correct information on this EVER. I've been using a trigger for many years mainly for hunting. I have a new Stan execution 2 coming. Can't wait to try it. It has a new different internal design that supposedly doesn't transfer the load friction/energy? to the trigger via the hook. Love your work.
Thank you so much! I’m sure you will love the release.
Josh - you are the champ!
Love your videos - love your instruction - love the clarity
Thank you so much! Always happy to help
@@BowOnlyOutdoors - first time shooting with the new method at our club last night. Score improved from shooting around 260/270 to 286. More importantly my ends improved over the whole shoot and did not steadily decline as per usual as I seemingly don’t get tired shooting like this. Most importantly - shooting felt great and very natural and highly satisfying - and with every shot my confidence grew using the new system. Revelation…. Thanks again mate.
@@metronoise1984 incredibly well done!!! Keep up the good work!
Very clear video. Very helpful, how to use back tension.
Thanks I’m just getting back into archery after a couple years and I got a wrist strap release. This was super helpful, thank you
Hey bud, brand new to archery. Expert with rifles and pistols. I need lots of training and practice with my bow. Thank you for the excellent instruction.
Quick question: with firearms (iron sights) you must focus on front sight and keep target blurry - but you stated to focus on target rather than sight. Is there more to this? Archery breaks so many firearm marksmanship fundamentals! Lol
This doesn’t translate over to iron sights on firearms nearly as well, but it does work extremely well when shooting shotguns at arial targets! If using a red dot on a pistol, it works best to focus on the target rather than the dot.
Wish I could come work with you for a day or two you really know your stuff and I need some knowledge badly
Send us an email @bowonlyoutdoors.co@gmail.com with your problems/questions and we'll be happy to help anyway we can.
I have the Scott Jaws release . Do you know if it’s possible do do this technique with my release?
It is absolutely possible, but can be tougher due to the slightly lighter trigger on it.
I have the same one, it's possible.
Always the best!!!
Great video. I noticed that my trigger is very sensitive. Afraid to wrap my finder around with it going off. Should I increase the tension?
Yes! It will allow you to be able to be in better control of the release under pressure.
Excellent info! Makes sense too. No fluff.
Just ran across this and would like to say excellent advice. The release adjustment is great advice as i have been struggling with some target panic and punching after 40 years of no problems. Adjusted as you suggested on a B3 hawk and has definitely helped with pull through and shot. Do you have any experience with the new truball extension rt back tension release?
Thank's!
Thank you! The B3 Hawk is an amazing release for the money. I have shot the truball extension r/t a fair amount as a great friend gave one to me to test out. The principle of the release is great, but what I’ve found is that it is much easier to feel the pressure building against your fingers with a handheld release then it is from a strap when adding pressure. I’m sure you could get a better feel for it if you spent a lot of time with it, but it would definitely take some commitment and practice to nail it down, just like any tension activated release. Hope this helps! - Josh
I noticed you're using the spot Hogg wiseguy in your video to show set screw adjustment but it didn't make your recommendations list. Any reason why?
The spot Hogg wiseguy is a good release, but you cannot adjust the trigger independent of the travel to be stiffer or have increased tension without adding trigger travel. That is why it did not make my recommended list. You can still use this release to shoot with backtension, it just makes it that much harder to learn and achieve the best results possible.
Very helpful. Thanks for the upload!
Happy to help!
2:30 valuable info. Thanks
You are very welcome!
I ordered a Carter like Mike 2 to get my trigger very heavy I have a tru ball short and sweet i can’t wrap my finger around the trigger without it going off so I ordered a like Mike so I can wrap my finger around the trigger
Good video. I had attempted some tension release with my trigger and it seemed impossible. Now I know why!
Hi. What about tru ball centerline? Is it worth to get one?
I have not shot one myself, so I can’t speak to the quality of it. With that said, Truball typically makes a fantastic release.
I just bought a new wrist strap release and I love it. But the instructions that came with it says not to allow your release to fall after you shoot. Why is that? I notice you allow yours to fall after your shots and my release is very similar to yours. I've seen other ppl shoot and are able to keep it from falling but I can't. Is it wrong to shoot like this?
If the release portion falls from your hand after it has been fired, it won’t effect the flight of the arrow. It is not incorrect to let it fall on its own as squeezing it with your hand can add unwanted tension during the aiming and execution portion of the shot.
Super helpful. Thanks.
You answered a lot of questions thank you!!
I'm glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching!
Hi there! I wanted to get into archery a few years ago, bought a 62"/60lb recurve, and then... motorcycle accident that shattered my wrist. Thought I would never be able to shoot because I didn't have the wrist/finger strength. Hope was renewed when I learned that a wrist strap trigger existed! I have a TRU Ball that was gifted to me that I'm trying to learn. I'm a left handed shooter, 6ft tall. My eventual goal is superb aim, then waterfowl/small deer hunting. Any advice is welcomed!
Keep practicing! We wish you luck hunting in the near future!
Thanks for the info it helped me huge
Thanks for the help. Seen a few videos and great infomation!
I'm glad it's helpful! Thank you for the comment!
Hey man, do you remember what size allen key you used to adjust your wiseguy? I have used the smallest ones I can find, and I still can't find one small enough lol. Thanks a lot for the video!
It is a 0.050” Allen key. On the small, yellow multi tool Allen set from pine ridge archery products it fits it.
I found a set from HD and the smallest one fits it
thank you very much
I am looking for a fang style release I’m just starting out and would like to develop the right habits as described. I have looked for the Carter Lucky but cannot find it available in Canada. I’m looking for a wrist strap fang style with the adjustments you suggest. If you could offer any insight it would be greatly appreciated! I have no suppliers locally so I will need to order online ?
The Carter Lucky has mostly been replaced by the Carter Like Mike which should work well for you.
I had a premature execution about a week after I started shooting, 3rd or 4th try. Couldn't figure it out then. Bought a new release.
Where do we see the list of releases you recommend?
In the video description. I copied them below for your convenience.
► Wrist Strap Releases I recommend!
Carter Lucky(THE ONE USED IN THE VIDEO): amzn.to/3acuHuH
Carter Like Mike: amzn.to/3bHnyCU
Carter Quickie: amzn.to/2JwNa9x
Carter RX1: amzn.to/3dNCAJi
Truball Execute: amzn.to/2R4Dtnd
Truball short n sweet: amzn.to/2wVLOCA
AFFORDABLE B3 Hawk Flex (great release for the money): amzn.to/3J0X6Za
@@BowOnlyOutdoors I love the looks of the Lucky but it seems Carter is not making it anymore. Thats to bad I like the smaller size of that head compared to the Like Mike.
Hi. Wanted to buy your recommended releases you listed on your videos. But unfortunately, they are not available in Amazon (shipping to the Philippines). Can you recommend another brand/model? I hope you can help me. Thanks!
Can I use the TRU Ball Beast XT? Is it a good wrist release for back tension?
The releases I recommended are great because the trigger travel adjustment is independent from the trigger weight required to fire. On most releases, when you adjust the weight of the trigger, you are also adjusting the travel. I recommended releases that offer adjustability of both independently. You can still shoot a release that has trigger travel properly, it just takes more discipline and shot control.
Would you recommend the new stan xtinction 2 for this? I’m currently using the wise guy and it is way to light of a trigger.
I don’t believe I have used the xtinction 2 before, but if it is anything like the other wrist straps I have shot from stan, I would highly recommend it.
I've seen other videos saying to decrease the preload as much as possible that way its less of the finger doing the release and more of the tension from the D loop pulling open the clasp on the release. Any thoughts on that? I feel like with a hair trigger with a lot of pre load on it i wouild be more likely to still be pulling the trigger.
If the release was set so that you could pull the D-loop through the jaws of the release, you wouldn't be able to get the bow drawn back to full draw (safely anyway) as the draw weight of the bow will be higher then the tension of you pulling against the back wall that would cause the D-loop to slip through the jaws of the release. When you refer to preload, it sounds like you are referring to trigger travel which is the adjustment that could allow for the loop to slip through the jaws if set improperly. When I say preload, I refer to it as the amount of tension I have with my finger on the trigger before I begin my shot process to fire the release.
A hair trigger would refer to the trigger tension being set very light, not just the trigger travel. A trigger that is set with no movement, but with a high tension to fire is what I am referring to to best make this method work.
I apologize if this seems unclear. I would happy to try and explain further if needed.
- Josh
So I just got a compound bow and a tru ball trigger release. I took it out the package and evertime I draw with it, it will "misfire". I can find any videos on how to fix this..
Likely a malfunction with the release. I would have it replaced.
@@BowOnlyOutdoors sounds good, thanks 👍
What about the Truball short n sweetr hybrid
Great release! I have never owned one personally but they are a great option as well!
Great video my. Take it from one shooting high scores at tournaments with his whise guy.
How you going to show the wiseguy release but not recommend
It doesn’t have independent adjustments for trigger travel and trigger tension.
I didn't think you could set the travel on the wise guy release only the trigger tension.
The screw adjusts both simultaneously. Although the wise guy is a great release, unfortunately you cannot add trigger tension without adding trigger travel to it.
I dont understand how your finger will fire the bow by pulling back at the wrist and elbow. A trigger release is attached to the wrist which is connected to the elbow. They are constant distances - the more you pull back the more the string will follow the wrist strap to which it is connected? Unless you pull back with the finger as in squeeze the trigger it will never fire? I dont understand this often repeated logic. Struggling with this concept.
I totally understand your thought process completely and I’m happy to provide more details to help you understand and I’m sure it will help many others with the same question as well.
Simply pulling back against the back wall will not build pressure on the trigger, ultimately, not firing the release. What is actually happening is that the bow, bowstring, and wrist strap release is staying in the exact same position, but as you pull, your hand is very slightly pulling through the strap of your wrist strap release.
Think of it this way, the pulling of the elbow straight back is the method used to gain the most feedback to know that you are firing the release because it is easy to feel it, but the release will not fire without pressure on the trigger. Your conscious thought process is feeling the pressure on your finger build against the trigger as you are building pressure by pulling your elbow straight back. If you simply only squeeze the trigger with your finger, this is totally doable, but it is much harder for the average person to control the movement and get feedback from it, where as building pressure against the trigger by allowing your hand to slowly slide through the strap allows more feedback to tell your brain that the shot is going to fire.
If you find yourself not building pressure on the trigger as you pull through, loosen your wrist strap one notch, then shorten the release head to get the trigger in the correct position. You should feel the pressure of the wrist strap increase against your hand as you pull through and you should feel the pressure building on the trigger steadily until it fires.
I hope this helps visualize this concept more in-depth and allows you to take the next steps forward with your shot. All the best!
- Josh
Thanks Josh. Much appreciated. I stopped following through and tried keeping everything still like with a rifle. My groups just wont shrink no matter how hard I try - about 2.7 inches at 20m. Starting to retrain with pulling through from tomorrow.
It looked like you were using a purple Wiseguy in the video but you didn’t recommend it in your list?
No, I don't personally recommend it because the trigger is too light. A lot of people love the wise guy and can shoot it extremely well, but I've found a light trigger can be troublesome down the road as far as trigger and shot anticipation go. It is EASIER to learn how to shoot with this method with the releases I listed, that's why I listed them. Thank you for watching!
The kisser button is near your nose?
you shot and show a wiseguy, but it's not in you list of releases. does that mean you don't like it?
The Wiseguy is a good release, but the ones I linked I prefer much better because of the independent trigger tension and separate trigger travel adjustments. The wiseguy is still much better than most on the market, just not in my top list.
it is always smart not to draw to your face for when the dloop might snap
Back tension actually is a type of release lol
Although some releases do have the name of "back tension", the true name for those style of releases would be resistance or tension, the way in which those releases activate and fire is caused be tension or resistance on the hook which is preset to a certain weight. True back tension (tension in the muscles of the back, primarily upper back) should be used to fire all styles of releases from index finger, thumb button, to resistance, if the cleanest and most accurate shot is wanted. Although somewhat confusing, this video entails the use of proper back tension to fire an index finger release. Hope this helps!
Thanks ❤️
Tape grip on compound bow