Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
Our library hands out constitutional handbooks! Libraries are first to fold under pressure when their rules, regulations, policies, and procedures come up against the Constitution.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
I love when "public" officials claim "they" own the property. When will people understand that government buildings are "public" and not private. That level of ignorance is unacceptable.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@@urgreatestenemy @urgreatestenemy3044 Kreimer received about $250,000 from the Morrisstown PD and Library system for harassment and discrimination. So much for that. In Greer v. Spock the Court held that sidewalks _within_ a gov't facility may be considered nontraditional fora (in this case a military installation). There is no evidence that this. Orlando city sidewalk was part of the library property and to try to argue that it is is patently disingenuous and ridiculous. "Traditional public forum" has to do with protesting, not Press/news gathering activities. There are ZERO court cases that say that Press are barred from public places where the general public can go. And I know of no ruling allowing the banning of people from protesting on a public sidewalk. What the sidewalk is in front of is immaterial. As for the "no shoes" thing, I looked it up some years ago. There is no such thing as a health department rule about that and zero laws. The "By Order of the Health Department" thing about shirts and shoes is just a meme. Such a rule is always the businesses' policy, not law. And if you think about it, there is no valid health reason whatsoever to have to wear shoes or a shirt in a restaurant. If anything restaurants should ban blacklights so we can't see all the fecal matter everywhere. 🙄
The bricks don't matter. Where the Public Library property ends doesn't matter. There is a public easement that runs in front of the Library and people are allowed to exercise their freedom of speech on that public easement.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@thetruth6792 It takes a lot to explain case laws. I put the information people should know in one comment rather than answering question after question it is much faster this way.
I LOVE when Jeff is straight to the point and completely unapologetic about the issue and doesn't take any crap. My favorite version of these videos. Well done, brother.
"Are we gonna force the issue like that?" Are we 'forcing' the issue when we insist to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment? When we insist on due process? When we insist that we be allowed to worship as we like? Turning rights into some burden we're imposing on them is a favorite of authoritarians of all kinds, and they have no place in this country.
I couldn't have said it any better. The LEO tried to push the issue, like he was going to do something but I guess he knew better, just tried his luck.
@@showlett33… That VERY Library in Downtown Orlando once had an “Offensive Odor Guideline” for library staff to enforce! It was challenged in court by homeless advocates, and the policy was quickly reversed when the named party went through with a federal lawsuit claiming an intentionally premeditated Deprivation of Civil Rights.
@@twoblacklabs904 This is a new one. I saw a vid of people giving their objections to the legislation from just the other day. I tried to find the vid, will link it if i find it
It is shameful and a down right disgrace that the library staff need to be educated on the 1st Amendment, public and private property! They think everyone that looks a certain way doesn't know their RIGHTS! Jeff proves how ignorant public servants can actually be! Thankfully we the people have national treasures such as Jeff Gray!
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk in a traditional public forum inside the library is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@iamtoroazul At 04:50 you can see he was at one point inside the library filming the public meeting if the representatives of the library wanted to press the issue and trespass him they would be well within their rights to do so. Where the library representatives can trespass a person from Library property for violating their policies, they have no control over the sidewalk as that falls outside their jurisdiction. As I said he has every right to film outside the Library because it is a traditional public forum, but inside is a different story.
@iamtoroazul Understand a person can be trespassed from the Library property just as you can trespass someone from your property the difference between the two is the person has to be in violation of a policy or law or have caused a disturbance to be trespassed from public property. The library can trespass people from the sidewalk only on a protective order by a judge they can limit a person from coming within a certain distance of a state property if a judge agrees to the protective order.
It has been attempted in Federal Court as an 18 usc 242 violation, presented as coercion, and failed. The police pleaded naivety to the law and the cases were dismissed. If the precedent was ever set it would be a game changer, but don't hold your breath.
@@pjeffries301 the police are going to lose everything soon as they have pushed the people too far , power and greed has gone to their heads , and there is a national movement to expose and eliminate all this evil bs
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@mynamesjudge At 04:50 it show film inside the library during the public meeting. But because the library is a limited public forum, they can open the forum to allow filming to certain people or groups. This is the difference between a nonpublic and limited public forum if they had a problem with Jeff filming they can enforce their policy and trespass him or they can choose to allow it as long as he didn't try to invade the privacy rights of any users. Libraries have policies that the American Library Association (ALA) have put in place and a libraries Bill of Rights, this the the ALA'S position on privacy. "Privacy is essential to free inquiry in the library because it enables library users to select, access, and consider information and ideas without fear of embarrassment, judgment, punishment, or ostracism. A lack of privacy in what one reads and views in the library can have a significant chilling effect upon library users’ willingness to exercise their First Amendment right to read, thereby impairing free access to ideas. True liberty of choice in the library requires both a varied selection of materials and the assurance that one's choices are not monitored. The possibility of surveillance, whether direct or through access to records of speech, research and exploration, undermines a democratic society. One cannot exercise the right to read if the possible consequences include damage to one's reputation, ostracism from the community or workplace, or criminal penalties. Choice requires both a varied selection and the assurance that one's choice is not monitored. For libraries to flourish as centers for uninhibited access to information, librarians must stand behind their users' right to privacy and freedom of inquiry."
@@urgreatestenemyThe chat GPT word salad does not counter the fact that we have a right to record public meetings, no matter where tehy take place. Whiteland Woods, LLP v. Township of W. Whiteland
@@mynamesjudge All I have said can be fact checked, I encourage people to look all this up for yourself never take people at their word don't trust me or people that make money by getting views on RUclips, do the research you have the world's information at your fingertips use it. Jeff is a great auditor and I respect him, I simply want to point out the facts and help people to be more informed on the issue.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@@urgreatestenemy Good write up, I have a question? You state, "anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space." What if the 'posted rules or policies' are unconstitutional?
@chrisyoung1478 In the case of Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, the Library wrote a policy that they could remove anyone due to body odor the courts ruled that the policy was too vague in it's description as when a body odor could disturb another person and had the library remove that policy. So if a policy is unconstitutional it can be challenged in the courts, filming inside a nonpublic forum has already passed the courts. Nonpublic fourm is what prevents people from filming inside courtrooms so the courts will most likely not allow filming in nonpublic and limited public forums because it has already ruled that they can put reasonable restrictions on filming in certain public forums.
cop -"this is their property......go across the street......we can't have people soliciting........" -"the library is not public property..........the library is limited private property............." god bless jeff gray for all his dedication
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk in a traditional public forum inside the library is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. Another case Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled in Adderley v. Florida, 385 U.S. 39 (1966) that the state can own land and regulate the use of its property, they can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes. I encourage people to look up this information it is important to know your rights and just as important to know when and where your rights can be limited.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the easement inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
They blatantly lie with the hope that you’re uninformed of the law and your rights. It’s pathetic the lengths they go to attempt to get rid of you and get want they want
I used to live in Winter Park, and the members of OPD are some of the biggest clowns in the state if not in the country! With all the years you have been putting Orlando in their place, they only seem to have gotten worse! Downtown Orlando is the biggest circus in the world, why wouldn’t the police be part of the show!
Wouldn't you think every cop in Florida would know who Jeff is and what he does by now? I am so tired of cops or others trying to say that public property is private. And it hurts my soul to see how they treat Jeff when they think he is homeless. And OMG this was a public library. A symbol of the First Amendment. I spent thirty years as a public librarian. We never restricted access to ANYONE.
The scary thing is all the people they victimize day in and day out who aren't well known 1A auditors. We rarely hear about them...they probably don't file complaints, don't FOIA bodycam footage and don't have thousands of followers who will call/email to complain or leave negative reviews in a heartbeat.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
And this folks is why you should start to understand let alone appreciate why these rights activists are documenting every encounter and interactions with all public officials. They’re always ready to tell folks that they’re committing unlawful acts and looking for excuses and a exit when proven wrong. Thx Jeff for continuously exposing these issues
I grew up in Orlando and that Library has always had issues with peoples rights, this would not be the first time they tried to violate rights of citizens!
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
I've had Jeffs content in my life for some years. His civil rights work is elite. I have a lot of respect for him and his courage to stand up against the tyranny forced upon us all by the so called "powers that be". He restores my faith in humanity regularly.
How do so many people you meet not know what soliciting actually is? Instead banning books, people need to start reading them again. Start with the dictionary in their hand and so they can look up all the words in the Constitution they don't understand.
Hey, at least you guys are willing to protest your country’s corruption. America is corrupt AND too lazy to do anything about it. Thank god for people like Jeff!
Nice way to stand your ground and rights, Jeff! I’m ashamed my high school classmate is the mayor of Orlando and may not realize this tyranny is going on.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk inside is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@@urgreatestenemy Except you miss the court cases where they've ruled anywhere the public can be, the press can be and record. I used to work for a major news network, we went into libraries and other public buildings all the time. The only thing a non-traditional public forum stops is things like holding signs or protesting loudly that disrupt the operations. They can't suddenly kick you out if you have a cuss word on your shirt. The constitution doesn't suddenly apply just because it's a non-traditional public forum.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk in a traditional public forum inside the library is a different story. Where Libraries are public buildings, they are what is called a limited public forum. A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case. Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces. The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic. Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights. Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted. In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules. Another case Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated. Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law. Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled in Adderley v. Florida, 385 U.S. 39 (1966) that the the state can own land and regulate the use of its property, they can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies. A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space. Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing. Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes. I encourage people to look up this information it is important to know your rights and just as important to know when and where your rights can be limited.
I often hear people say that police are allowed to ask you to do things... like to move along and whatnot... and while I can't really argue with the fact that they are allowed, they should NOT be allowed because most people get intimidated and don't know their rights, so cops knowingly take advantage of this to force people to do things they don't want to do!
As we have lost so many newspaper journalists over the past 20 years, a large void is present that allows that abuse on public space. Thank you for the exposure and great bravery you displayed .
Well done Jeff. This act of free speech needs to be repeated there again and again until no one is harrassed again and they learn that even homeless people have rights.
Jeff no doubt word about you is getting around. Thank you and all brave auditors for putting in the time, imagination and courage over these past years to make self-appointed authorities think twice about revoking our God-given and Constitutional rights.
whatever happened with him? he just slink off somewhere? did he call his supervisor and the supervisor had to explain that the public sidewalk in front of a public library is not in fact private, but public?
@liberty And may I add that I am so sick of the lack of manners when spoken to by the public! Police, STFU when you are being spoken to! Did you miss the meaning of that? I’ll help! Shut the fuck up when you are being spoken to by the public.
The crazy thing is, if they are successful in their coup against Freedom, the Library will be the first to go. Thank you for your service to our community and country Jeff
Never stop doing what you do. Two things: strike four was the best when the staff looked like he was just told that his dog had died and whatever happened to the cop going to get his supervisor?
Excellent job there Jeff. I was reminded of the old movie with Richard Prior and Gene Wilder as they were getting escorted to the holdover cell saying, "We Bad uh huh, we bad, we take no shit." And Prior tells Wilder, "Say no shit when I say no shit." 'Stir Crazy.' Great job Jeff, You took No Shit!
You can lay as many bricks on public property as you want, it still don't make it yours.
i mean it's a PUBLIC library. it already is public property.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
YOU SEE THESE BRICKS OVER HERE SET IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION? YOU CAN STAND HERE! WTF!
@@urgreatestenemy stop with your ignorant copy and paste.
@@urgreatestenemy Laughable. Lol. He was outside the library on the sidewalk. Not a single thing you copy and pasted applies.
Any government employee who lies like this should be sacked
Lately Jeff is less tolerant of ignorant cops
Yes he is and it's beautiful
Agree ,noticed that too.
Ignorant cops should not be tolerated.
He certainly was here....he wasn't having it today.
I like pissed off Jeff. He starts out so polite then when people act like pigs to him he turns .
LOVE it when you call them out on their BS lies and intimidation, and they tuck tail and leave! NEVER trust a cop, ever.
I just love seeing Jeff tell cops, "I'm not going anywhere" and seeing how butthurt they get about it. Totally awesome.
They are use to getting their way! Too F'n bad!
God bless the homeless veterans and God bless Jeff!
Just think....a library is supposed to be a keeper of knowledge, yet the staff proved that to be completely untrue. Shameful.
If only they had a copy of the US Constitution somewhere in a building nearby...
@@MonkeyJedi99 judging the way they acted they better get “The Constitution for Dummies”.
Our library hands out constitutional handbooks! Libraries are first to fold under pressure when their rules, regulations, policies, and procedures come up against the Constitution.
@@letsgobrandon7567constitution for BIG dummies.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
I love when "public" officials claim "they" own the property. When will people understand that government buildings are "public" and not private. That level of ignorance is unacceptable.
The courts have fostered this notion with their "traditional public forum nonsense". Oh, and qualified immunity as well.
"this is private property"
-- representative of a building that says "public" right on it.
Reply with sure I'll leave, right after you bring down paperwork that says your name on the deed.....
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@@urgreatestenemy
@urgreatestenemy3044 Kreimer received about $250,000 from the Morrisstown PD and Library system for harassment and discrimination. So much for that.
In Greer v. Spock the Court held that sidewalks _within_ a gov't facility may be considered nontraditional fora (in this case a military installation). There is no evidence that this. Orlando city sidewalk was part of the library property and to try to argue that it is is patently disingenuous and ridiculous.
"Traditional public forum" has to do with protesting, not Press/news gathering activities. There are ZERO court cases that say that Press are barred from public places where the general public can go. And I know of no ruling allowing the banning of people from protesting on a public sidewalk. What the sidewalk is in front of is immaterial.
As for the "no shoes" thing, I looked it up some years ago. There is no such thing as a health department rule about that and zero laws. The "By Order of the Health Department" thing about shirts and shoes is just a meme. Such a rule is always the businesses' policy, not law. And if you think about it, there is no valid health reason whatsoever to have to wear shoes or a shirt in a restaurant. If anything restaurants should ban blacklights so we can't see all the fecal matter everywhere. 🙄
Thank you Jeff for standing up to tyranny. We the people stand with you.
🇺🇸
Indeed. I'm a Democrat and I 100% support Jeff.
The 1st amendment is CRUCIAL for every American 🇺🇲☮️
Well technically we sit with you. In a warm house with a cool beer in our hands. Thank you Jeff.
I wish all Americans loved America as much as Jeff loves America 🇺🇸
God bless our homeless veterans, and God bless Jeff.
God bless the Constitution, God bless the homeless vets, God bless 1st Amendment Auditors and God bless Jeff Gray.
Thank you Mr. Gray for standing up for all our rights
He's a con artist. Despicable.
@@TontoEpstein
Your hilarious
@@lgDukeCity5018 OK, I'm hilarious. But Gray is a grifter.
@tontoepstein6860
He exposes corruption. If they don’t want to be sued they should abide by the laws and constitution.
God bless.
God speed.
God save the Republic!
The bricks don't matter. Where the Public Library property ends doesn't matter. There is a public easement that runs in front of the Library and people are allowed to exercise their freedom of speech on that public easement.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@@urgreatestenemy wrong, big dummy
@thetruth6792 It takes a lot to explain case laws. I put the information people should know in one comment rather than answering question after question it is much faster this way.
I LOVE when Jeff is straight to the point and completely unapologetic about the issue and doesn't take any crap. My favorite version of these videos. Well done, brother.
"Are we gonna force the issue like that?"
Are we 'forcing' the issue when we insist to not be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment? When we insist on due process? When we insist that we be allowed to worship as we like?
Turning rights into some burden we're imposing on them is a favorite of authoritarians of all kinds, and they have no place in this country.
Word definitions vary. "Force" vs "Address" or "Refuse" vs "Decline" (to show ID).
If the irony they induce was actually a weighted object they would be unable to physically move.
"There is no 'we' here. You're going to force the issue like that. It's all on you, baby."
@@dsalyo6678 Buddy, if their irony had mass then light couldn't even escape its gravitational pull.
Cops are just pissed off THEY don't get to force the issue...
We the constitution loving people stand with you
God bless Stubborn Americans who stand ip for constitutionally protected rights.
I couldn't have said it any better. The LEO tried to push the issue, like he was going to do something but I guess he knew better, just tried his luck.
L yes!
God damn the ones who treat the homeless, even veterans, as less than citizen.
Wow, the lies come so easily. How embarrassing and all of them should be fired for lying to the public, repeatedly.
Despicable behavior. No compassion.
Have you heard about the town that tried to criminalize people if they smell in an attempt to keep people out of town hall and the library?
@@showlett33.. I think it's a town in Colorado?
@@showlett33… That VERY Library in Downtown Orlando once had an “Offensive Odor Guideline” for library staff to enforce! It was challenged in court by homeless advocates, and the policy was quickly reversed when the named party went through with a federal lawsuit claiming an intentionally premeditated Deprivation of Civil Rights.
@@twoblacklabs904 This is a new one. I saw a vid of people giving their objections to the legislation from just the other day. I tried to find the vid, will link it if i find it
@@twoblacklabs904 ruclips.net/video/40tN_0RbpBY/видео.html
It is shameful and a down right disgrace that the library staff need to be educated on the 1st Amendment, public and private property! They think everyone that looks a certain way doesn't know their RIGHTS! Jeff proves how ignorant public servants can actually be! Thankfully we the people have national treasures such as Jeff Gray!
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk in a traditional public forum inside the library is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@@urgreatestenemyIN, not outside. You've addressed with absolute clarity an issue that is not currently before us. Sounded smart for a second though.
@iamtoroazul At 04:50 you can see he was at one point inside the library filming the public meeting if the representatives of the library wanted to press the issue and trespass him they would be well within their rights to do so.
Where the library representatives can trespass a person from Library property for violating their policies, they have no control over the sidewalk as that falls outside their jurisdiction.
As I said he has every right to film outside the Library because it is a traditional public forum, but inside is a different story.
@iamtoroazul Understand a person can be trespassed from the Library property just as you can trespass someone from your property the difference between the two is the person has to be in violation of a policy or law or have caused a disturbance to be trespassed from public property.
The library can trespass people from the sidewalk only on a protective order by a judge they can limit a person from coming within a certain distance of a state property if a judge agrees to the protective order.
@@urgreatestenemy why do you persist with misinformation?
the act of unlawful intimidation must have consequences
It has been attempted in Federal Court as an 18 usc 242 violation, presented as coercion, and failed. The police pleaded naivety to the law and the cases were dismissed. If the precedent was ever set it would be a game changer, but don't hold your breath.
@@pjeffries301 the police are going to lose everything soon as they have pushed the people too far , power and greed has gone to their heads , and there is a national movement to expose and eliminate all this evil bs
LIKE WHAT? AND BY WHOM?
@@pjeffries301 Ignorance of the law is no excuse unless you are law enforcement!
@@belair54 Exactly.
And God bless you, Mr. Gray.
Public property is open to the Public. Thank you for your continued service.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
He wasn't in the library to your copy paste that you keep posting is absolutely irrelevant to the conversation
@mynamesjudge At 04:50 it show film inside the library during the public meeting.
But because the library is a limited public forum, they can open the forum to allow filming to certain people or groups.
This is the difference between a nonpublic and limited public forum if they had a problem with Jeff filming they can enforce their policy and trespass him or they can choose to allow it as long as he didn't try to invade the privacy rights of any users.
Libraries have policies that the American Library Association (ALA) have put in place and a libraries Bill of Rights, this the the ALA'S position on privacy.
"Privacy is essential to free inquiry in the library because it enables library users to select, access, and consider information and ideas without fear of embarrassment, judgment, punishment, or ostracism. A lack of privacy in what one reads and views in the library can have a significant chilling effect upon library users’ willingness to exercise their First Amendment right to read, thereby impairing free access to ideas. True liberty of choice in the library requires both a varied selection of materials and the assurance that one's choices are not monitored.
The possibility of surveillance, whether direct or through access to records of speech, research and exploration, undermines a democratic society. One cannot exercise the right to read if the possible consequences include damage to one's reputation, ostracism from the community or workplace, or criminal penalties. Choice requires both a varied selection and the assurance that one's choice is not monitored. For libraries to flourish as centers for uninhibited access to information, librarians must stand behind their users' right to privacy and freedom of inquiry."
@@urgreatestenemyThe chat GPT word salad does not counter the fact that we have a right to record public meetings, no matter where tehy take place.
Whiteland Woods, LLP v. Township of W. Whiteland
@@mynamesjudge All I have said can be fact checked, I encourage people to look all this up for yourself never take people at their word don't trust me or people that make money by getting views on RUclips, do the research you have the world's information at your fingertips use it.
Jeff is a great auditor and I respect him, I simply want to point out the facts and help people to be more informed on the issue.
God bless the homeless vets♥️
Love how you kept the no loitering sign in the frame.😂
Glad you caught that!😂
What is up with all the panty waste in florida? Since when is a library supervisor in charge of anything
A Constitutional Republic can not last long, without an EDUCATED constitutency 📜
That's why Republicans are trying to end it with making Scholls so bad.
Then we don't have much time LEFT! 🤔
Every president puts the public on notice: saying the constitution is not absolute..
Best Comment
I agree 100%....this explains why the people who want our Constitution ended...have now gone after our education system.
God Bless America! Great job as always.
Shame on this library and its employees. Library should be bastion of freedom not oppression.
Libraries just may be the most tyrannical of the lot from what I've seen in 1A videos. Post offices are right behind.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
@@urgreatestenemy Good write up, I have a question? You state, "anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space."
What if the 'posted rules or policies' are unconstitutional?
@chrisyoung1478 In the case of Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, the Library wrote a policy that they could remove anyone due to body odor the courts ruled that the policy was too vague in it's description as when a body odor could disturb another person and had the library remove that policy.
So if a policy is unconstitutional it can be challenged in the courts, filming inside a nonpublic forum has already passed the courts.
Nonpublic fourm is what prevents people from filming inside courtrooms so the courts will most likely not allow filming in nonpublic and limited public forums because it has already ruled that they can put reasonable restrictions on filming in certain public forums.
A bastion of "A" _ _ _ _ _!
God bless Mr. Gray!
I enjoy when you push back a little bit. Thanks for fighting for our rights Jeff!
I enjoy it when they ask Jeff where he's from, and he replies, "The 70's."
God bless you, Jeff! 👏👏👏👊
Their behavior is outrageous.
Wow God bless Mr Gray it's so excited to see him getting bolder
"I have to treat you like I treat everyone else." Translation: "I expect you to cave like everyone else."
Oh I'd cave something alright
They tried, they failed…bravo!!
Orlando PD and library staff... they "get it" while NOT getting it at the same time 🤨
cop -"this is their property......go across the street......we can't have people soliciting........" -"the library is not public property..........the library is limited private property............." god bless jeff gray for all his dedication
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk in a traditional public forum inside the library is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
Another case Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled in Adderley v. Florida, 385 U.S. 39 (1966) that the state can own land and regulate the use of its property, they can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
I encourage people to look up this information it is important to know your rights and just as important to know when and where your rights can be limited.
I love when Jeff is assertive and owns public workers like this.
Seems Jeff gets frustrated with hearing the same BS broken record at times .
@@robertrosicki9290 Who can blame him,"We the People" are the enemy standing up for our rights!
God Bless U Jeff for taking on these TYRANTS and honoring your Oath.. Thank You for your service 🫡💪✊
Public library. Public. Public. Public. Not "our" property, it's citizens property.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the easement inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
They blatantly lie with the hope that you’re uninformed of the law and your rights. It’s pathetic the lengths they go to attempt to get rid of you and get want they want
When God puts it into Jeff Gray's heart to express compassion for the homeless vets, he ain't moving.
God Bless the Homeless and all other Vets!
I used to live in Winter Park, and the members of OPD are some of the biggest clowns in the state if not in the country! With all the years you have been putting Orlando in their place, they only seem to have gotten worse! Downtown Orlando is the biggest circus in the world, why wouldn’t the police be part of the show!
They suck.
And God Bless you Jeft Gray!!!
God Bless Jeff Gray and all Veterans 🙏😇‼️❣️❤️🇺🇸
Well done, Mr. Grey. Thank you for your patriotism.
Thank U Jeff for standing firm & Not letting them bully U .
ThankYou Jeff. For standing. Up for all rights.
Wouldn't you think every cop in Florida would know who Jeff is and what he does by now?
I am so tired of cops or others trying to say that public property is private.
And it hurts my soul to see how they treat Jeff when they think he is homeless.
And OMG this was a public library. A symbol of the First Amendment.
I spent thirty years as a public librarian.
We never restricted access to ANYONE.
The scary thing is all the people they victimize day in and day out who aren't well known 1A auditors. We rarely hear about them...they probably don't file complaints, don't FOIA bodycam footage and don't have thousands of followers who will call/email to complain or leave negative reviews in a heartbeat.
Yes.
And also, as bad as it is now, imagine what they got away with before everyone had video cameras in their shirt pockets.
9 out of 10 Jeff Audits.
think that jeff is homeless
I wonder what would happen if jeff come with a three piece suit and with his sign.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
THANKS FOR BEING A "TRUE" AMERICAN,BLESS YOU.
And this folks is why you should start to understand let alone appreciate why these rights activists are documenting every encounter and interactions with all public officials.
They’re always ready to tell folks that they’re committing unlawful acts and looking for excuses and a exit when proven wrong.
Thx Jeff for continuously exposing these issues
God Bless Jeff Gray. Support from the UK 🇬🇧 God bless all Homeless Vets 🙏
Thanks mate!!!😊
I'm a vet and the UK is awesome!!!
I grew up in Orlando and that Library has always had issues with peoples rights, this would not be the first time they tried to violate rights of citizens!
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
I've had Jeffs content in my life for some years. His civil rights work is elite. I have a lot of respect for him and his courage to stand up against the tyranny forced upon us all by the so called "powers that be". He restores my faith in humanity regularly.
Awesome comment, love it 😊
Me too, I've followed him for about 7 years now. He's the first auditor I look for when I'm scrolling through them.
I was really hoping to see you address those at this meeting. I would love to hear them respond to your treatment outside.
How do so many people you meet not know what soliciting actually is? Instead banning books, people need to start reading them again. Start with the dictionary in their hand and so they can look up all the words in the Constitution they don't understand.
Did you just come here from Lehto's law too?
@@alphabravo8703 I didn't but I do follow his channel
@@jaredb8495 He just put up a video about banning books in Florida, to include the dictionary.
God bless Jeff Gray. Cheers from *corrupt* Canada!!! 🇨🇦👎
😀
@NewsNowVictoria
Jesus Christ works in you. The Ford family is the antichrist!!!
Howdy neighbour @NNV
Hey, at least you guys are willing to protest your country’s corruption. America is corrupt AND too lazy to do anything about it.
Thank god for people like Jeff!
Corrupt Canada? Canada is an amateur compared to Nigeria 😅
Thank you Mr. Gray and Shame on the public servant's.
Nice jeff, you got right to the point. Disgraceful public servants and law enforcement.
Nice way to stand your ground and rights, Jeff! I’m ashamed my high school classmate is the mayor of Orlando and may not realize this tyranny is going on.
👍👍👍 Great job Jeff. I believe that public servants are finally understanding what is private and what is public. 😊
Nice work Jeff.... Tyrants being tyrants governments out of control
I'm going to lose my mind if one more person tries to say that the public library is private property.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk inside is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings thay are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled that the state can own land and can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
I would get ready because it will come!
@@urgreatestenemywrong, big dummy
I wish they were because then I could stop having them tax me every year.
@@urgreatestenemy Except you miss the court cases where they've ruled anywhere the public can be, the press can be and record. I used to work for a major news network, we went into libraries and other public buildings all the time. The only thing a non-traditional public forum stops is things like holding signs or protesting loudly that disrupt the operations. They can't suddenly kick you out if you have a cuss word on your shirt. The constitution doesn't suddenly apply just because it's a non-traditional public forum.
Awesome work. You stood your ground with absolute authority. Knowing the law is powerful.
Where Jeff has every right to protest and film outside the Library on the sidewalk in a traditional public forum inside the library is a different story.
Where Libraries are public buildings, they are what is called a limited public forum.
A lot of people think that public means you are allowed to film this is not the case.
Where you do have a right to film, it is not absolute the government reserves the option to limit a person's rights in certain spaces they designate as nonpublic forums. Typically nonpublic forums are established inside Courthouses, Libraries, Schools, and Universities but can be expanded to include other public spaces.
The Supreme Court established three different types of public forums in Perry Education Association v. Perry Local Educators' Association (1983): traditional, limited and nonpublic.
Limited and nonpublic fourms can limit the use of the public space to its designed purpose, they can reasonably restrict or limit a person's first amendment rights.
Courts have ruled that filming is subject to Time, Place, and Manner if the place is a nonpublic forum filming can be restricted.
In Kreimer v. Board of Police of Morristown, NJ, an important court opinion addressing a library user’s right to enter and use the library, the court held that because public libraries are a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to those expressive activities that are consistent with the mission and purpose of the library. A public library is only obligated to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the government’s intent in establishing the library as a limited public forum for the purpose of receiving information and accessing the library’s books, programs, and online resources. According to the Kreimer opinion, other activities, including activities such as photography, filming, petition-gathering, assemblies, and public speeches, may be regulated by the library using reasonable, viewpoint neutral, time, place, and manner rules.
Another case Brown v. Louisiana, 383 U.S. 131, 142, 86 S. Ct. 719, 724, 15 L. Ed. 2d 637 (1966). A library is "a place dedicated to quiet, to knowledge, and to beauty." Its very purpose is to aid in the acquisition of knowledge through reading, writing and quiet contemplation. Thus, the exercise of other oral and interactive First Amendment activities is antithetical to the nature of the Library. These arguably conflicting characteristics, at least in a First Amendment sense, support our conclusion that the Library constitutes a limited public forum, a sub-category of designated public fora.21 See Brody v. Spang, at 1118. We thus adopt the reasoning of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in Travis v. Owego-Apalachin School District, 927 F.2d 688 (2d Cir. 1991), where the court held that a limited public forum "is created when government opens a nonpublic forum but limits the expressive activity to certain kinds of speakers or to the discussion of certain subjects.... In the case of a limited public forum, constitutional protection is afforded only to expressive activity of a genre similar to those that government has admitted to the limited forum." Id. at 692 (emphasis supplied).22 Hence, as a limited public forum, the Library is obligated only to permit the public to exercise rights that are consistent with the nature of the Library and consistent with the government's intent in designating the Library as a public forum.23 Other activities need not be tolerated.
Where you have a right to film that right is subject to Time, Place, and Manner, restrictions take a restroom for example it is a public space open to the general public but filming is prohibited inside by law.
Where there is no law that prohibit filming inside nonpublic or limited public forums the courts have ruled in Adderley v. Florida, 385 U.S. 39 (1966) that the the state can own land and regulate the use of its property, they can make policies that must be followed, so where they can not arrest a person for filming inside a library they do have a right to trespass anyone who refuse to follow their policies.
A missconception is being passed around the internet that you can not be trespassed from public property unless you violate a law, this is not the case anyone can be trespassed from a space for not following the rules or policies posted within the space.
Each state has their own trespassing laws you should read the law in your state to better understand the law many states leave the law vague on when a person is guilty of criminal trespassing.
Take the policy No shoes, No shirt, No service, as an example where there is no law that says you must wear shoes it is against the health code and they can trespass anyone who refuses to wear shoes.
I encourage people to look up this information it is important to know your rights and just as important to know when and where your rights can be limited.
God Bless Jeff Gray for standing up for our rights!
I often hear people say that police are allowed to ask you to do things... like to move along and whatnot... and while I can't really argue with the fact that they are allowed, they should NOT be allowed because most people get intimidated and don't know their rights, so cops knowingly take advantage of this to force people to do things they don't want to do!
If it has no law behind it , you don't need to listen to their BS
❤ hi Jeff i am homeless for the better part of the last 4 decades, love & support your work!❤
Get em Jeff 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
This one was one of the best ones.
You went always strait to the point and shut then down with their unlawful demands.
Nice work
Thank you Jeff again for doing what you do best!!
You are truly an inspiration.
Love you man thanks for what you are doing for we the ppl
Jeff is the best. Every time I see his videos pop up, I know we just gained a little more of our freedom back
God bless Jeff!
As we have lost so many newspaper journalists over the past 20 years, a large void is present that allows that abuse on public space. Thank you for the exposure and great bravery you displayed .
Thank you for standing up for our rights, Jeff!
Well done Jeff. God Bless The Homeless Vets!!
Yeah, the videos of him giving practical help to them are really amazing. Yeah.
Jeff is a Real Hero !!
That's the way to do it. Firm.. respectful (even when it's not reciprocated). But not giving an inch.
Bravo! Implied private property at a “PUBLIC” library is laughable! Keep 🎥
Brilliant Jeff 👏. The cop tucked tail quickly when confronted with 1st Amendment quotation
Thanks Jeff. You are doing the right things. You know how to deal with these people.😎👍
Well done Jeff. This act of free speech needs to be repeated there again and again until no one is harrassed again and they learn that even homeless people have rights.
Jeff has ELEPHANTITIS OF CONSTITUTIONAL NUTS!!!! Keep doing what you do Brother!!!
Firm yet polite and professional. THIS is how an audit should be done.
You go Jeff keep calling those cowards out
Whoa! Jeff was definitely ready for an unlawful arrest. Love how you handle these lying servants!
Appreciated your assertiveness, Jeff. It gets tiresome listening to tyrannical bs.
Jeff no doubt word about you is getting around. Thank you and all brave auditors for putting in the time, imagination and courage over these past years to make self-appointed authorities think twice about revoking our God-given and Constitutional rights.
Love how you bullied that LEO.
"We're gonna force the issue like that?"
"Yes we are."
"Really?"
"Yes we are."
whatever happened with him? he just slink off somewhere? did he call his supervisor and the supervisor had to explain that the public sidewalk in front of a public library is not in fact private, but public?
@liberty And may I add that I am so sick of the lack of manners when spoken to by the public! Police, STFU when you are being spoken to! Did you miss the meaning of that? I’ll help! Shut the fuck up when you are being spoken to by the public.
@@arachnophilia427 The coward would not return and apologize!
The crazy thing is, if they are successful in their coup against Freedom, the Library will be the first to go. Thank you for your service to our community and country Jeff
And 2024 gets off with a BANG OF FREEDOM!!!!
4:30 Strike Four - Where do they get these people? A Public Library privately owned? Are you freaking KIDDING ME?
Never stop doing what you do. Two things: strike four was the best when the staff looked like he was just told that his dog had died and whatever happened to the cop going to get his supervisor?
Well done, Jeff. Makes you wonder what lies and BS they've said when moving on other people. May those responsible be suitably embarrassed on film!
I like your demeanor in this one. Dont take no s**t.
Excellent job there Jeff. I was reminded of the old movie with Richard Prior and Gene Wilder as they were getting escorted to the holdover cell saying, "We Bad uh huh, we bad, we take no shit." And Prior tells Wilder, "Say no shit when I say no shit." 'Stir Crazy.' Great job Jeff, You took No Shit!