Gay Christian Learns to Reconcile his Faith and Sexuality. “God Made Me the Way that I Am.”
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2023
- Cameron Reck grew up in a conservative Christian household and struggled with his sexuality from an early age. He tried to suppress his feelings and believed he could "fix" himself - even attending a Christian college that he thought might help him somehow change his sexuality. Though he continued to remain closeted in college, it was there that he met Lizzie - a fellow student and soon-to-be best friend. After being caught in a lie while on his first-ever gay date, Cameron knew he couldn’t keep his sexuality a secret to Lizzie any longer.
Over an emotional dinner, Cameron opened up to Lizzie about his sexuality. Rather than reject him, she comforted and embraced him, revealing that her own father was gay and had come out to her when she was a child. A week later she gave him a life-changing book: Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gay-vs.-Christian Debate. This book helped him reconcile his faith with his sexuality, and gave him the space to live openly both as a gay man and as a person of faith.
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Thanks for sharing. I've always felt that some Christians put way too much energy into preaching about homosexuality and I am a 75 year old Christian straight woman.
Good for you.
There will always be straight people who try to say gays are against God which is a decievement. God loves you
perfect use of the word "deceivement" "! that truly what it is !
i hate to be the bearer of bad news but take a look at Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13
@@mememasterofficial69 that's obsolete Eph 2.15 and wrong to impose on people Acts 15.10, Gal 1.9. it doesn't even say what you think it does.
@@MusicalRaichu to a twisted mind! The Bible is clear as day. You cannot change the truth nor exchange it for a lie.
@@PrincessCassandra I don't understand your reply. Mosaic law has been annulled Eph 2.15, not how we obey God Rom 7.6, and risks angering God to impose it Acts 15.10. You're more than capable of looking the verses up. They might not suit your rhetoric, but I stand on what the scripture says.
BTW i got rid your comment on my channel. Doesn't bother me but it's unfair on other listeners. The video was a labour of love on my part to support vulnerable people in obedience to Christ's command.
Honestly, been feeling incredibly torn between my faith and my sexuality lately and to hear you say that God loves me and made us the way we are for a reason means so much to me. Thank you so much for sharing.
@@YuelSea-sw2rpgod hates very specifc things that i also happen to hate. How convenient
thank you so much, you have digested the process to completly, left behind all conflict and suffering, I am happy for you, and fell encouragement from your example. Thank you, again!
Why have so many gay men been suppressed and terrorised their religious families and faith? Its a recurring theme.
It is our fear of not being able to reproduce. Simple as that. I once was scared of gay men when I was a teenager. But the root of it all is a social norm based on the need to bring forth offspring. This is why it was also really badly seen not to have kids even for heterosexual couples or staying single.
@@francoismorin8721 thank you for your explanation
@@juliancoulden1753 You are welcomed. I really thought about this one for quite a long time. And from life necessities and observation of society, and of my own inner experience (growing), the answer appears to be this simple. If only the more rigid cultures, and even homosexual individuals came to peace with this impulse from nature which influences our moral construct, then everybody would be free to canalize that need for procreation in a more constructive way and respectful of every single individual composing society. Like when I was watching the G.I. JOE cartoons in my teens, they would say at the end of every episode: "Remember kids! To know is to win half of the battle." LOL By knowing and understanding the way we are made and how it influences our relationship to our environment, we are already halfway on the path that leads to freedom, because then we can choose consciously instead of acting blindly.
@@francoismorin8721 as with so much in life we aren’t free to choose and so often we do so without sufficient knowledge or understanding of the consequences
@@francoismorin8721 quit lying and justifying evil.
Great story and God bless you. I am a scientist, gay, married with a great guy, and I am christian. The Lord loves me and accepts me for who I am. I have been very happy and continue to live as a gay guy. God is love, and love is God.
Find God brother
@@chomper5o110?
@@chomper5o110 bro did you not read?
@@aliasella488 he living in a sinful life
@@chomper5o110Based on a dominant interpretation of a book with grubby human fingerprints all over it, sure.
Don't decorate the prison walls. Break out of prison. Don't take anyone else's word for what "God' is or isn't. Find out for yourself. Commit to your own sense of Truth. Learn to know what it's like to displease the so called authority figures and still like yourself. Give up seeking outside approval and start seeking approval from within yourself. It's there waiting for you. If a person doesn't genuinely approve of you as you are then let them go. That's a waste of energy. Instead let people into your life that genuinely love you as you are. Shake the dust from your feet and move on from any belief system that causes shame and guilt for being your authentic self. You can't change that. Find the life your here on Earth to live and begin living it! As a Gay man God knows the wonder you have inside you to give to the world! Don't let any thing or anyone get in the way of that magnificent journey. Peace and love.
Absolutely! Seek God and ask Him the answers for yourself! The answer may be different for everyone
@@JesusSavesTheDay96do you have same sex attraction now?
@@abigail-kh1dlattraction wouldn't be an issue, it is acting on that attraction. You don't think straight people aren't attracted to each other? Of course you know they are, it is only if they act out upon that attraction through premarital sex, affairs, etc that they fall into sin.
@@Ryan-mq8vf I know but some people get delivered from it completely I was just asking
This guy is so cute and sweet and thank goodness he realized that God loves him unconditionally. We are all in the boat together, like it or not.
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@@markwitcombe2119 The Bible was written by men and is interpreted anyway you see fit.
@@markwitcombe2119Christianity is a wide variety of religions believing in God according to the bible. Each of these religions have their own interpretation of the bible. We should all learn to respect each others belief as long as these beliefs are towards peace and love.
@@markwitcombe2119 bro how can you tell that your religion is the one that has the correct interpretation and not the others. For example: Catholics believe in saints and rosaries and stuff, Majority of christian religions do not believe on these because it can be scene as a form of idolatry. Does that mean that you should not respect the catholics? Base also on your logic the catholics are sending people to hell because they don’t believe in your religion’s interpretation of the bible? God bless you…
God's love is unconditional. Salvation is not.
@@chasecake1683 Answer: by knowing the scriptures
What a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing that.
No
@@coreykirby1632 *yes* ???
I am a 74-yr.-old heterosexual, staunch, conservative, cradle Catholic. My views have changed on the subject of homosexuality which may surprise a lot of people especially those who know me. One of my best friends is gay and he left the Church years ago because of the Church’s stance on Homosexuality. After many years of prayer and discernment I have discovered the following:
There is a social/sexual revolution coming in the Church. In one aspect of this coming revolution, the Church wants to expound on Pope John Paul’s central idea in “Theology of the Body” and how it centers on the fact that God wants a deep intimate relationship with each of us in the same way a committed monogamous couple enjoys. It is not meant to reflect this in the physical sense, but is mirrored in that way, to reflect the deep love God has for each of us, and will attempt to bring to light, the joy and exultation that can come from it.
The Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality has long been that it is not inherently sinful, as a person does not choose to be either homosexual or heterosexual. However, the Church has always taught that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered” and “contrary to natural law”. According to the Catholic theology on sexuality, all sexual acts must be open to procreation by nature and express the symbolism of male-female complementarity.
The Catholic Church’s stance on homosexuality has been founded on the belief in a natural order created by God, as it has been based on the idea that sexual acts should be by the natural law of procreation and male-female complementarity. This theology has been used to form the Church’s view on the sacrament of Marriage and the notion that marriage is only permitted for the purpose of a union between a man and a woman. “Male and female he created them.” (Gen. 1:27)
Recent scientific developments, however, may influence how the Church addresses this issue in the future. Some feel God may be working in His Church to rectify a wrong that has survived for years. Could the coming changes in the Church and yes, changes are coming, possibly be the work of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus promised? Could Pope Francis be his messenger in all of this?
The principle of doctrinal development in Catholicism allows for the Church's understanding of its teachings to evolve and develop over time while still preserving the core truths of the faith. Some examples of this are Original Sin, the Trinity and the doctrine of Purgatory, the Eucharist, Canon of Scripture, religious liberty, social justice, and the role of women in the Church and society, but to name a few. Should the beliefs of the Church in the area of homosexuality and same-sex unions not evolve when presented with modern scientific evidence that proves otherwise or, should She remain with Her head in the sand in the interest of maintaining the status quo?
Medical experts have stated they can find no studies to show that homosexuality is an abnormality in the human person. Experts now widely agree (American Psychological Association (APA), World Health Organization (WHO), American Medical Association (AMA), World Medical Association (WMA), National Academy of Sciences (NAS), National Library of Medicine, and many other numerous research studies) that homosexuality is a natural variation of human sexuality rather than a conscious choice made by individuals or an unnatural disorder the homosexual was born with.
Scientific studies NOW conclude that homosexuality will make up 3% of the population, no matter what, and that homosexuality IS part of the natural order. So, it seems our knowledge of this matter has changed. Should not our theology develop and evolve in light of these new findings? After all, aren’t homosexuals made in the image and likeness of God, as we all are? If we are not to dispute the scientific and medical consensus, the question then becomes, are homosexuals not allowed to carry out God’s plan of love and commitment in the best way possible, in loving monogamous same-sex unions? Are they not allowed to participate in true love and commitment that mirrors Christ’s love for us on the cross in the same way infertile heterosexual couples are, who are given dispensations by the Church to marry, even though they cannot fulfil the marriage requirement of procreation? It is through no fault of their own, that gays are who they are. God made them as surely as he made you and me, and we all know, God doesn’t make junk.
Sin will always be part of "the natural order," that's Exactly Why we All *MUST BE BORN AGAIN,* unto The RIGHTEOUSNESS of THE LORD JEHOVAH.
@@HEBREWESS agreed, but one man's sin is another man's virtue. Who gets to decide?
@@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370 2Pet: 1-4 We can't even perceive it (virtue) w\o knowing of HIM who calls us to glory AND virtue.
HE who gives THE Breadth of LIFE and HOLDS The Keys of course. Rev 1: 17-18
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and *HAVE The KEYS* of HELL and of DEATH.
Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, which state that it is an abomination for a man to lie with another man as he would with a woman. In Romans 1:26-27, Apostle Paul says that homosexuality is contrary to God's natural order and results from rejecting God. Additionally, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 lists homosexuality as one of the sins that will prevent someone from entering the Kingdom of God. While the Bible is clear in its view of homosexuality, it is essential to remember that God loves all of his creation and offers forgiveness to those who repent and turn away from their sins.
It's an abomination, and evil to be a homosexual. But like all sinners, God helps one through their sins if they repent, and ask for forgiveness.
We are children of satan before we accept Jesus the bible explains, and it also says we must be born again, so, yes, we need to change our sinful ways. Ye must be born again. It's hard, but ex-gay Christians explain it's necessary and can be done, by God's grace, amen.
@@HEBREWESS That's correct: Sin will always be part of 'the natural order', and we were all born into it. In other words, we were all born wrong; yes, even so called 'straight' people. We all must be born again, receive the righteousness of The Lord (Jehovah, Adonai, Elohim, El Shaddai, God), and with the help of the Holy Spirit repent of our sins. Being 'born that way' doesn't excuse you before our righteous Creator. Amen.
Beautiful! Thank you, Cameron, for sharing your story. It's a tragedy that so many of us have been brought up to hate our bodies, our desires, and ourselves. Your story is a counterweight to that cultural heritage of shaming.
So if someone has desires for little children, this is okay? Where do we draw the line? Do we go off God's word or our own "truth"?
@@yes55504 Those desires weren’t forced upon them tho right? What would gods plan be if he created a man with those desires?
@@ketz_165 well if you'd read the Bible, you'd find out! Lol
@@yes55504 I wanna hear it from you.
@ketz_165 everyone is born into sin because of what Adam did. How is that God's fault? He gave a command to Adam and eve, they didn't obey and all of mankind has to pay for it. The good thing is, God made a way, through His son Jesus. I'm sure you've heard all this before. So I'm not sure what you're looking for other than trying to blame God for all of this suffering and what not. If you think it's God's fault, please let me know why.
Would you just let the man be happy for a little while? He just told you he was in a very dark place and would have probably taken his own life, don't pull the rug from under his feet! If he's ever going to stop believing in god, I would say that now is not the best freaking time.
Cameron's story is a lot like that of many of us living life invisible to the world--including the Christian world and the Gay world. I myself am a trans woman married to a gay Muslim man and my Christian faith intact and stronger than it ever has been.
Honestly, I'd love to talk with you. I want to learn. You and your relationship has quite the dynamic.
Amen!!! Years ago as a Christian I would’ve condmened this message. Now, as an accepting gay Christian man on his way to a loving same gender loving relationship with my faith in God not only fully in tact but thriving….I. Get. It!
@@endswithme555 Well we are definitely in the last days!
@@PrincessCassandra yup. We’ve been in the last days since Jesus went to heaven 2000 years ago
@@endswithme555 we are in the last days especially with these lies you and your supporters keep telling. You just proved Bible prophecy.
Im from Winter Haven, kinda close to Sebring. I worked at sebring hospital for a few months, I was a contract nurse. Its a small world ❤
Thanks for your sharing Cameron. I went through a similar experience in the 1980s and I still find it hard to believe that young and not-so young queer people are still going through this today in the Western world (I'm in Australia). And thank God for the women in our lives who, like Lizzie, have been rocks of strength, unconditional love and emotional support. It was faith, belief in a loving God, and a support network of some amazing women and gay friends who not only helped me find MY place in the Catholic Church, but who showed me that love casts out fear and that the Church is lesser and weaker if ALL God's are not made welcome. This Easter just past, our parish priest started each of the Holy Week and Easter services with words like this: "a huge and warm welcome for everyone - those who are here every week; those who have come home for the holidays; those who happened to walk in wondering what was going on; for all God's children - straight, gay, trans - All are welcome. This is your home."
Thank you for that ❤🏳️🌈🕇
Cameron , thanks for your contribution to this channel .
One way it made me happy to see you being on your journey to live a loving life with a man .
On the other hand it made me sad : hard for me to hear from your sufferings in these ‘modern’ times . I’ve gone through this all in the 80’s . Sometimes I doubt their is progression in religious attitude towards the LGBTQ community .
I hope things will change to the better in your environment.
I really wish you a happy and loving life with a man , you definitely deserve it !
Love from the Netherlands 😘
I realized I liked other boys when I was 10 after watching the movie, "Oliver!" My first crush on a boy was Mark Lester, the boy who played Oliver in the film. I never told anyone about it because I knew both my parents and church were against that. But I still had the feelings and desires which I partially gave into from time to time. I got married, had kids, and those sinful desires were still with me. It destroyed my marriage. I vowed never to get married again so I do not destroy another marriage.
I read that you say God made you that way. I disagree. Sin made you, me, and millions of other people like that. Adam was made in the image of God. Then he sinned. After that, Seth was said to be in the image of Adam when he was born. Remember, Adam had become sinful so he was not the image of God anymore. When Messiah came, He came in the image of God.
Since I have been born in sin as we all were, I have a sin nature. The sin that rules prominently in my life may not be the same sin that rules other people's lives. Those like me have a sexual sin. Others may be given the propensity to murder, steal, or commit some other sin. Just because I was born with propensity toward that sin does not mean that I have to choose to let it reign in my life, even though it keeps rearing its ugly head and at times I give in. God has told us plainly in scripture what sin is and that if we are his, we will not be practicing those sins. I believe that means we will not allow it to rule our lives. Since we are currently not perfect because we still have these bodies of flesh, we will give in to our sin nature at times. That is why we are told that when we sin, we have an advocate, Messiah who will intercede for us.
I hope this helps understand what is going on with us biblically.
Shalom!
When the Messiah, Jesus Christ came to earth his 1st advent, he was man but also God, he claimed to be God, not in the image of God. Undiminished deity, but complete humanity. Your theology is wrong. when Adam was made in the image of God it was a shadow image, he had volition, self determination etc. He did not have righteousness of God that is imputed to us now, at the point of salvation, he did not have sovereignty of God etc.. People are mislead about the image of God. You are mixing truth with lies, be careful. It Is true that man has a sin nature, stemmed from Adams' original sin, which is the SIN of COGNIZANCE. He "KNEW" WITHOUT A DOUBT WHERE Eve had retrieved the fruit. Also, biblical principle *** You are what you think** in order for you to retain your fellowship with God not relationship, assuming you a believer, the only verse in the Bible is 1 John 1:9 to get us back in fellowship with God.
@greenknight12175
Colossians 1:15
And He is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation.
Hebrews 1:1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.
My theology is right on point, backed by scripture.
Shalom!
@@danielnelson9411
Read the rest of it. Now it is talking about his ascension, sitting at the right hand of the Father. The last days, since Christ died on the cross. I was talking about his earthly ministry.
@greenknight12175
You said a biblical principal is you are what you think. That is incorrect.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
These thought they were saved. But they were not.
@@greenknight12175
The part I posted was about His earthly ministry. It progresses to Him being seated at the right hand. It does prove your theology is in error. Not mine.
I have proven my point. I will not continue arguing.
Shalom!
God bless you.
Amazing thank you for your courage
Thank you. I really enjoyed "meeting" you and hearing what you had to say.
This story repeats itself thousands of times (especially in the United States) " I was brought up in a very Christian family and then discovered that I was gay". And then it comes all the mental suffering. It's almost a cliché. It'd be nice for a change to find a story " I was brought up in a non-religious household, I discovered I was gay and then I lived happily ever after".
Yeah but what concert was it?
Yes! Yes yes yes. Torn was such a huge deal for me, too. Thank God for Justin Lee; that man has saved many lives.
Much has changed in my life and my faith, but never have I been more sure that God loves me, and that's not in spite of my sexuality, nor because of it, but simply because *God is love.* I think our fear of homosexuality in the church is based off of a poor way of reading the text. Growing up the way I did, I didn't even realize there were alternatives, or that those alternatives could conceivably be valid. But the world is a lot bigger than I could have imagined. So is the faith. So is God.
I hope you are thriving and that you have found siblings where you are!
I grew up in a Christian home and hid my homosexuality for a long time. This led to some bad choices. I am glad you had a friend that could help you and came out in college.
Read Leviticus 20:13
@@Rogue_artist3 Why. Christ said Leviticus was made for man, not man made for Leviticus. That he was the new Leviticus. The Law, The Way, and Leviticus are the same. Quoting Leviticus is going against what Christ said. Even worse; verses are for writers to keep accuracy. Chapters and books were made for readers. Quoting verses is taking the meaning out of context. Preachers who quote verses and use Leviticus are not Christians who follow Jesus. They are Christian Nationalist also known as White Supremacist. Please read the Gospels as books the way they were meant to be read.
Does anyone know what Justin Lee is up to these days? I started following his channel this year, but he hasn't posted in a year. Hoping he's good and still plans to create content.
Wow, really? What I wrote on the Bible and homosexuality was out there before Justin even thought about a book.
The few verses which have often been regarded as anti-homosexual not refer to homosexuality as we understand and use that term today. The Biblical texts do speak against sexual exploitation and rape whether committed by persons with a heterosexual or homosexual orientation. The great message of Scripture is of a God of unbounded love for the human family. If God has any preference at all, it is for "the least", "the lost" and "the last". God's amazing grace, compassion and salvation is open to everyone. Jesus is very clear in placing his gospel beyond the limitations of churches and denominations. He says, "I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also. So that there shall be one flock, one shepherd" (John 10:16). Here is a partial list of verses that has every right in being equally addressed to homosexual or heterosexual Christians: Galatians 3:27, John 3:16 , Romans 3:21-24, Ephesians 2:8-9, Acts 10.
@@markwitcombe2119 same-sex marriage isn't adultery!
@@markwitcombe2119 you can't compare pedophilia or child abuse with a consentual same-sex relationship, because homosexuality doesn't harm anybody. Why do you think that god doesn't like homosexual persons. They are surpressed and persecuted in a lot of places and the church shouldn't be such a place! It should be a place of tolerance and love for all people.
@@markwitcombe2119 if it is an abomination and an offense, why had god aloud that people are born this way: homosexuality is not a disease and it's not a choice, it's a natural sexual orientation. You have to look at the bible in a historical context: there are also parts in the bible, which are pro slavery and i don't think that you believe slavery is ok?
Gosh no one gets it. Most of what you say is true. No one is denying that God is there for all SINNERS. Because that is who all of us are. But God's word is clear in the Bible about the body as a temple and what it is to be used for. He is clear about about men lying down with men. or women with women.
But that still does not mean he loves Gay people any less than straight people. He loves them equally.
But he does not love their sin and fornication. He calls us to put Him first and surrender to His will. not live by our temptations.
@@amypainter6371why do you think that loving someone of the same sex in a consentual relationship between adults is a sin and fornication? The bible is against exploitation and rape. To be in a healthy and loving relationship should never be condemned and it doesn't matter what gender your partner is!
🎶 You're a little late, I'm already torn...🎶😁
Good man and hope the best for you
Watching this made me feel a lot better about my self my pronouns are she/her and I’m pansexual and I’m Christian, I have been with my girlfriend/boyfriend (they are trans male, they used to be a female) (they are also not Christian but that’s okay!) for about 4 months I fell in love with them and I have had similar feeling like this guy, I feel so much anxiety and feel like god won’t accept me bc I am not doing the way some people are (my parents accept me either way) but listening to this made me feel better! Thank you so much! You are a legend and you are one of my hero’s I am so glad that some Christian’s feel the same way and that I’m not alone, god loves us all, whenever I am feeling bad about myself I will always watch this video and Remember that god loves us all and that I’m not alone feeling these feelings! ⭐️🌟⭐️🌟⭐️
This is long bc I love you. 💕
God is a loving God, but He's also and just and Holy God Who has established parameters, designed male and female, and given us rules to follow if we are truly His, love Him, and wish to obey Him. Being a true Christian is not always easy.
If I may guess, you feel better after watching this because you get to keep doing what you already want to do.
Unfortunately, though, being a Christian--a Christ follower--requires that we do things His way. Did you know that being a Christian means that you've accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior? You must declare with the mouth that Jesus Christ is LORD--meaning "the boss of you," and believe that God has raised Him from the dead (by the Holy Spirit).
You don't get to just identify as a Christian, like with the very cultural choosing of pronouns. Not every person is a child of God either. We are adopted as siblings of Christ (sharing His Father) only when we come to Christ for the salvation of our eternal souls. You've done this, I hope.
You can't have an entire lifestyle and worldly mindset which embraces what the Scriptures prohibit and also be a Christian, regardless of what the man in the video says. We must appeal to a higher authority than him and that book he likes. We appeal to Father God.
God expects a lot from us. He is pleased by obedience and dedication. We are to turn from sin. The Bible--God's own word--clearly and with no stipulations has determined the practice of homosexuality not only to be a sin, but one that prevents a soul from entering into heaven. So we have to be realistic. But there is an option, which is to repent from it.
God is very clear in His design of man and woman, husband and wife--a plan and prescription demonstrated all throughout the Bible. Going against His perfect design is to go against God.
There has to be a decision made to choose God or not. There is no true category of "choose God, have your cake, and eat it too."
As for your partner, did you know that God has commanded that we are not "unequally yoked" with non-believers? According to the Bible, it does matter that this person isn't a Christian. Remember to look not to the corrupted self (we're all imperfect) for what is morally right, but to God and His word.
But I want you to rethink whether you are even saved yourself, as I talked above about what that takes.
It's hard work, but it's important to know where you stand.
This is serious. I feel that you need to better understand what the Bible has to say overall and truly come to Christ in order to develop a dedicated personal relationship with God. He is worthy of our lives and of our honor and praise ❤!
You might think this is all easy for me to say, to ask you to turn away from sexual sin in order to live for God as a true Christian.
I will tell you something personal, since I'm speaking of your personal life. I have decades of celibacy "under my belt" because of God. Not only does the Bible say that the practice of homosexuality will lead to hell (if not turned from) but it says the SAME THING about fornication (heterosexual unmarried sex). It's something I gave up to honor God and to maintain my place in heaven. God is worth the sacrifice! I'm doing well.
I think that so many people aren't truly Christians because they don't think God is worth giving up what they like--even if it's sin and it hurts Almighty God. None of us is perfect, and we all have an inherited sin nature. But we have to fight the good fight and remember that the Creator, and what He requires, comes first.
You can still feel good--even better. Turning away from sin and living for God is a wonderful blessing to our lives, and it'll be a great gift to know you have a home in heaven! Jesus does love you. That's why he died for us all; but...we have to accept the salvation he won for us on the cross, and live for Him--not for ourselves. Christ says to "Deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me." Matthew 26:24
I pray that some of what I've said has opened your eyes as to what pleases God/what He commands, and that you will fully come to Christ for the salvation of your eternal soul. 🙏
@@sovereigngodlisaloves9525
Thank you sister for not backing down in speaking the truth of the LORD, so that sin is exposed and all can know the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@ryandunwell7139 God bless you. 🙏
Whats the name of the book?
"Torn" by Justin Lee
Ill be covering these topics on same attractions and how Christians live with them
within the framework of that mythology, yes god made us all as we are and perfect.
This is definitely true, just because you are queer doesn’t mean you should be kicked out of church or not loved by your family, you don’t have to support everything that they do but you can still accept them as a person
Hi, I’m 12 years old and I’ve grown up in a very conservative/catholic household. For about 1.5 years now I’ve had some suspicion that I’m gay because about a year ago I had very strong feelings towards a girl I was friends with but soon the friendship ended and I just tried to ignore it because I knew that because gay was “wrong” because that’s what I’ve been told my whole life but recently about 5 months ago I joined a volleyball team and I’ve had strong feelings about this girl on my team and I don’t know what to do about it I know that I can’t tell anyone about this because all my friends would look at my different and some of my family would be more supportive then others but at the same time I feel like deep inside I know that it’s wrong and I’m really struggling. Pls someone help me I rly need it
@@PrincessCassandra here’s the thing I’ve had guy “crushes” and female friends but I’ve never felt this way before it feels like magic when I’m with her
Depends, did you get sexual arousal, to same sex only or opposite sex , or somewhere in between. If you consistently get arousal exclusive to one sex only , and prefer or desire it , then may be there is possibility, however if you don't get any feelings or bodily sensation but intrusive thoughts then it's probably HOCD.
Beautiful story, articulately and courageously told. Thank you very much.
@@PurgeKing838 He didn't blaspheme, he deceived❗Both = ETERNAL🔥
Nothing courageous about sin.
@@PrincessCassandra
What constitutes a sin can vary with time. What was considered sinful in the Middle Ages may seem completely absurd to us today.
God Bless and so proud of you.
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I see so many gay christians struggling with their sexuality, it makes me sad. It's not the easiest way to give up your gay lifestyle.
It is important to make the right choice to be saved. It is a choice between eternal life and death. Be willing to give up your life to receive eternal life. (Lucas 9:23-24)
It's wise to stand in the truth of the Bible scriptures, it's your salvation.
You will have to fight when you get thoughts that become between you and God. (James 4:7)
Stay strong, believe in yourself!
Jesus return is near
Love you all 🩷 🏳️🌈
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He is the cutest, thank u for your powerful testimony❤️
Hey Cameron , I adore you for your honesty, great story, go on :)
You are so much braver than this Becket Cook who claims to be "converted by Jesus" and now lives in celibacy, fighting everything that is gay or that represents his gay history.
Cameron and Lizzie can count themselves lucky, not to have ended up married to each other and asking themselves, why they are so unhappy. Only a few years ago that would certainly have been their fate.
Luckily times are changing, even in the conservative Christian world and more and more people reconcile their believes with a happy and open live.
All that is happening is the prophecies concerning the last days are coming to pass. In particular the one concerning people turning from the truth and believing in things taught by demons.
@@PrincessCassandra
People have been expecting the last days for nearly 2,000 years now, as they have seen all the signs for it.
As an atheist I wish them all the best and go on with my life!
Very interesting. In this life’s journey we will please some and displease the others. Whom should we aim to please noting that our wages will be ETERNAL, either way?
As a gay man, God saved me and gave me a new beginning in Jesus Christ. I still have the same sexual attraction to men (my fallen nature) but in Christ, I no longer allow my sin nature to dominate me. I now live a single celibate life (with my cat) as I cannot continue to live in sin. There is no reconciliation with homosexuality and true Christianity. It’s one or the other. Sin or Christ . This is not a problem for me as life eternal in Christ is more important than living a life of sin that only leads to eternal death.
It's not a sin. That's a popular myth that became prominent in the 1970s when Bibles started being published calling homoxesuality a sin. When God said "it's not good to be alone", it's not a good idea to contradict God. Unless you're happy alone, that's different.
How sad for you. Please look into Dan McCullen. I believe deeply in our Lord Jesus Christ, I’m gay man been married 34 years to a man. 5:46
@@YuelSea-sw2rp Yes it is wicked to distort scripture, and that is precisely what you've done. Yes, God divided Adam into a man and a woman so that they could populate the world, and - key point - because the man was straight, not gay. The story says "For this reason" they marry. What's the stated reason? How does it apply to someone who does not have the capacity to recognize a woman but only a man? For the very same reason, such a man should marry a man.
@@MusicalRaichu it is a sin not to get married? JESUS never did and Mathew 19 : 12 says the opposite. With the Earth population of 8 billiion why would everyone need to be fruitful and multiply? If so, in one year we would have 16 billion then 36 billion, 52 billion, 104 billion.
@@Episcopalianacolyte You don't have to get married if you don't experience the need. What's wrong is to deliberately prevent fulfilling a need for an intimate companion if they need one. Mat 19.12 acknowledges variation between people for many reasons.
Thank you brother for sharing your experience. I believe that we are all God's children and by his grace we live. Blessings to you 🙏...
Down with homophobia; embrace your sexuality.
Lust is a sin.
@@SuperGreatSphinx And...?
@@SuperGreatSphinx no sh~ Sherlock
Beautiful story with a nice outcome. I'm glad it's working for you. Thank you, Lizzie. I would be careful, though, of conflating "faith" and religious dogma. I do not think they are the same at all--even though Christians love conflating them. I think that spirituality/faith can be very good for people, but I also am confident--based on all of history--that religious dogma is the root of most evil and hatred. Read more (not the Bible) and appreciate the differences.
Well said. Thanks.
@@louisdewit4429 You're most welcome. Just my beliefs.
WRONG!!!! Not Homosexuality. Leviticus specifically refers to the interpretation of Renato Lings in which Lev. 18:22 refers to male-on-male "INCEST" within the family.
I love this so much it will help so many families.
Thank you for sharing your story! I wanted to ask, what is the best way to approach the gay dating world for the first time?
I think you really need to be ready. Be yourself. Then start by getting to know people (thru the internet, application or just going out). Make sure to always respect yourself and don't let anyone push you to do stuff you don't want to do. When you feeling more comfortable you may start exploring more and more. And always be safe !!
Amen
You are perfect in Gods imagine . I’m a gay man myself and a Christian and understand the struggles you’ve gone through
I'm gay too. And being gay is natural. We're born that way. It's on our DNA. Being gay is just as much out of your control as having blond hair or a certain eye or skin color.
what r ur thoughts about the bible?
It is the most concise book on this earth, only insomuch that it is interpreted correctly.
@@user-es5rz8wv7u if the bible is the word its true JESUS is the WORD and HE is the TRUTH.
Why do people cling so much to a belief that denies them and fills them with guilt? It's a lost battle. There will always be a "well-intentioned" Christian who will tell you to repent of your sin and adapt to what the scriptures say and not the other way around.
I'm confused. Is this guy saying he is a christian who has intercourse with guys OR a christian who observes the teachings in the bible and does NOT perform homosexual ACTS?
A Christian is someone who trusts Jesus as the way God and seeks to do good to and avoid hurting others. Yes, the Bible is our guide to doing that. No, the Bible does not say that consensual secs is wrong unless it hurts someone. That's a popular misconception.
Ah. I see. You prefer to ignore the bible in favour of your own beliefs. Thanks for clearing that up.@@MusicalRaichu
@@alpetterson9452 wth!? so i suppose you think jesus said "love God, love neighbour, no gay love all scripture depends on these 3 commands"? no, it's those who assert homoxesual acts are a sin that ignore the bible in favour of their own beliefs.
Sorry. I missed your comment. Personally I don't believe in god at all. And i don't DIS-believe in him/it either. What I do know is that there are rules in life and rules in Christianity. The bible specifically mentions same sex acts and prohibits them. The bible ALSO prohibits sex before marriage. BOTH these 'sins' seem to have equal weight in the bible so I have NO special dislike of gay same sex as most christians do. My only point is that you can't have it both ways. Either you follow rules or you do as you please. @@MusicalRaichu
@@alpetterson9452 I see. Actually, there's some misconception there. The Bible was written in a long time ago with different categories, cultures and assumptions to today. Trying to read it using modern categories has led people astray.
The very idea that "the Bible prohibits" is a relatively modern approach to scripture. The Bible is a book, it prohibits nothing. People make interpretive choices and then use or misuse the Bible to support what they want to prohibit.
The morality taught by the Bible, however, is simple: respect God and do good and not hurt others Micah 6.8, Matthew 22.40, Romans 13.8-9. All specific rules, principles and advice given by writers in the Bible are based on applying that in ways that worked at the time in accordance with prevailing assumptions.
When it comes to men with men, the issue in the 1st cent was that women were considered inferior to men, so a male in a woman's role in the act was shameful. it was common for men (even married to woman and who would be considered straight today) to boost their sense of masculinity by having secs with enslaved boys and male prostitoots in order to deliberately denigrate them. i think you can appreciate how this was legitimately wrong.
in medieval times and the primary issue for most of church history, secs was believed to be only for reproduction, and thus two men in bed was wrong for the same reason as say husband and wife having oral secs. most texts that people use to condemn same-secs acts were traditionally used to condemn all non-reproductive secs even between husband and wife, which shows how open to interpretation they are.
the category of "same-secs" acts is a modern one created late 19th cent and imported into christianity around mid 20th cent. what didn't help was a mistranslation that became widespread since the 70s, and theology to support the error developed in the 80s.
but the original authors of the bible did not have such a category. neither the bible itself nor bible-based morality as i described can legitimately be used to condemn same-secs acts. it's an error that crept into the church by mistake, has done a lot of harm, and as you can see in the video, the church is moving away from it.
Oh many are coming out with their own stories .
Hi Cameron,
Thank you for your testimony.
Could I ask if you have the absolute assurance that if you passed today that you would have eternal life with Jesus.
It's a very important question for me if you could answer truthfully.
Thanking you
I've got a question for anybody who knows about this sort of thing. I've got a male footfetish. I like the looks, smell and taste of a good sweaty male foot. I've had this stupid thing for many years. Since i was a kid. I'm a born again Christian. I've dated the opposite sex before and totally enjoyed it. My question is. Am I gay or straight. Any thoughts on this from anyone.
We’re all called to be who God has called us to be. Which isn’t gay. You may struggle with sexual temptations for guys feet but that’s all that that it is. A temptation, a lie. Because most people are exposed to sexual sin from early ages, we tend to claim it as our identity. After we’ve been born again through Jesus Christ, sometimes we still claim it. Like a reformed/recovered alcoholic still calling himself an alcoholic. It makes no sense, but the sin is so deep rooted we sometimes reject the freedom God has given us through His grace. So to answer your question, you are straight, always have been. Temptations will be there, but if you ask God to remove them, and it’s His will to do so (important part), He will. But sometimes we have to suffer here on earth for a very short while. Our investments are in Heaven anyway. Fight the good fight brother, finish the race, and let the glory of it all be in God’s wonderful name. Hope this helped.
@j.m290 Thank you for your reply. Really helped a lot. I may have a male footfetish, but that's not my identity. My identity is in Christ. One thing I unfortunately left out. I used to do things with other guys that I'm not proud of. To be honest if I found someone in Minn that was okay with letting me smell his feet without doing anything else that would be so cool. Just saying. Have a great day everyone
Your religious views and affiliation don't affect your orientation. They only might confuse you and make you deny it.
When you were a teenager, did you fantasize about girls, boys or both? If you imagine yourself in a lifelong intimate relationship with someone, would you prefer a woman, a man, or either? What would excite you more to the point where (in acceptable circumstances) you would want to go to bed, women's body shape, men's, or either?
When I was younger, I fantacize about men's feet, friends, and family's feet.
I since then have gotten a rein on it. I still have a male footfetish and contemplate men's feet and what they might look like and smell like. But that doesn't mean I've got to give in to it.
But if I find a nice girl and start dating her. I'll have to reject and deny the footfetish to move on in my relationship with her. Does that answer your question.
Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death".
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God bless you. I am also a little in love with you hehe /A gay christian man in sweden
So much love to Cameron! Our film's team thank you for sharing your story.
Isaiah Ch 56 (Vrs 4): For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbath, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant: (Vrs 5) Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Mathew Ch 19 (Vrs 12): For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to hear it, let him receive it.
Acts 8 (Vrs 27 to 39) Also very interesting reading.
Another scripture tells of the Lord saving no-one from a destroyed city save but the eunuch.
Who truly knows the ways of the Lord our God??
JESUS is the word made flesh becuz how can u know JESUS without knowing the word becuz JESUS is the word
@@jonathankleckmirroir2424 The prophet Stephen died for his testimony, that he saw the Son of Man standing beside the Father. Two different individuals. Is Christ our Lord greater than God, that he is flesh and bone and God is the Spirit seated?? The scriptures say God is not the author of confusion. We need to address the subject matter and not preach that which we already know & understand.
@@user-es5rz8wv7u and JESUS also says I and MY FATHER r one so do u believe that but HE is a induvial so i think that JESUS is one with the FATHER as in one family or mabey HIS ways r complex for anyone to know? idk
@@jonathankleckmirroir2424 Jesus is definitely one in purpose with God the Father, but he is not the Father. He is Jehovah, (before Abraham was, I am ['Jehovah']). God the Father is Elohim. Jesus (Jehovah), being the son of Elohim, is telling us that God is also our Father, so what does that make Jesus to us??
@@user-es5rz8wv7u read john 10:30
Yes I used to say I was born this way and the Lord said to me one winter day read the scripture I told you to be BORN AGAIN😮
*I just don't get it... Who'd want a 'personal relationship' with ANYONE who threatened to have them tortured if they refuse?*
I happened to come across this, and let me offer a word: When you really boil it down, hell is not a threat, but wages. Wages are things that you have earned. Here is the Scripture (I give more verses so I'm not taking it out of context):
"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 6:20-23
I guess you could see it as a threat still, but it doesn't become a pointless threat when you realize that you have (and we all have for that matter) earned it.
If God did not punish sin, how could He be righteous? If you have lied to someone, and you go before the court, and the judge lets you go, then is that judge a wise and righteous judge? No, not at all.
We know that our flesh is corrupted, that nothing good dwells in it (Romans 7:18). It is the obedience to this sin that condemns us. I was a glutton, horribly so, condemned on all sides. But do I now associate that with my identity?
No, not at all, for "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come."
2 Corinthians 5:17
I know that my fleshly desires are deceitful and wrong, but I serve my God with my mind, apart from the flesh, and I know that one day in His presence I shall be free from this yoke of sin with it's lusts, desires, and corruption. Praise be to the Father and His Son Jesus Christ! I still have gluttonous temptations, but that doesn't make me a slave to them. Rather, I am a slave of God. For we all have a master in our lives: we serve ourselves whose bodies are dying, or we serve the living God.
You could think of Hell as not necessarily a punishment, but something you have chosen: separation from God, in whose presence there is the "fullness of joy". Even in all my sinful activities, I still find God and His word to be "sweeter than honey to my mouth" to quote the Psalms (Psalm 119:103-105). So I think of it as an invitation for joy, but understand that refusing that joy for some other fleshly pleasure is worthy (my wages) of death.
I challenge you to read Ephesians 2:-10, Romans 5:6-8, John 3:16, and then Romans 10:9-10. You can find it online. Most people who I give this to probably don't, and I think it may be because they think it's pointless, but they never read it anyway, so how could they know it is pointless?
That's a long winded answer that took me 25 minutes, but it is because I care for you. If I didn't tell you it, then that would be me not showing love.
@@drewayers1678Victim-blaming
It’s not threats he made us and is working for us 24/7. Also gave his own sons life so we could be forgiven. when we show the earlthy things more love we are choosing loyalty to satan over god. He puts us first and he expects the same from us. It’s about how much love and respect you have for him, and what you’re willing to do to prove your devotion.
@@ericamitchell5396---- *Telling us we'll writhe in fiery agony forever for even the slightest infraction of hie law if we don't surrender ourselves to him is a threat no matter how you slice it.*
@@ericamitchell5396--- *Telling us we'll writhe in fiery agony forever for even the slightest infraction of his law, unless we seek forgiveness for it and surrender ourselves to him, is a threat no matter how you slice it.*
I do not worry about my parents both are dead , as a matter of fact , I think my parents both knew I was attracted to men , my first crush I was eight years old and watching Audie Murphy cowboy movies on the drive in , I loved his beautiful face ,, and when the movie would end and we would leave the drive in I would look at the dark screen and miss him ,,,and say in my heart I will come back and see you again ,,no one knew it was just a picture much later in life I learned about soldier and actor Audie murphy and the affect his images had on me as a boy ,,how he made me feel ,, I was borne again when I was eleven years old ,,I loved girls to ,, but always all my life I loved my same gender ,,I dont look at women with any desire at all , I can have sex with a woman and enjoy it , but I find my self looking at men and there beauty ,, I dont feel like a woman I feel very much male and I dont want to be a woman I just Love men ,,I got married to a wonderful woman when Iw as 23 and have a 38 year old son and three grandchildren whom I Love ,,I Love my wife very much when she is sick I am sick when she is happy I am happy ,,I told her about me before we got married she knew ,,but as time went on her not being gay ,, she seen the storng part of me of who I was as a man that Loved other men ,, I have been in to two relationships with two men ,,neither Loved me ,both are long gone , I now as a sixty two years old man living with my wonderful wife ,openly and honestly she loves me and I would never take away from our Love or want to be in this world without her , and at the same time I am alone and lonley for a male to Love , I dont want to take away from my family but add to it ,,,did not King David have a wife many wives and also Loved Johnathon ? and Saul Kind David was a man of God and beautiful and Johnathon disrobed him self before David and there hearts became as one ,,,both men had wives ,,,and both Loved each other ,,I cant stop Loving my wife and I cant stop my love for men its in my heart and I dont like filth and untrue relations with multilabel partners ,,,if some men choose not to marry then dont , but if some are married and have a wife and a male lover then let all three become as one ,,, a If I say to my male love go help my wife ,,I Love them both she can have my children he can not ,, but he can help me and he can help my wife ,,a King a man of greatness has wives and many male servants and much wealth ,, and is blessed ,, what man who has no wife and no friends and lives a life of lonliness and finds him self alone with no one ,, He has only God ,,, and is a stranger in the world ,,,does he even have a home Better are two then one for if the weaker falls the other will help him up,, and if two lay together they be warmth but if one lay alone who will keep him warm ?
You ARE from Driftwood.
He is handsome
I am so pleased you found Torn. Justin Lee is a great guy. I am gay too, medically proven during electronic shock therapy as part of 13 years of reparative therapy. God creates some people gay and it is absolutely fine. He has also created some of over 1500 animal species gay. I was a Baptist Pastor and missionary. I hope you find the right guy, marry him and enjoy the rest of your life close to him. It can happen and it is absolutely fine. Another great book is God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines. He has a good chapter on gay marriage. Matthew is now engaged to Zac who is a doctor. I was so thrilled to learn that. Keep us updated on how you progress on your journey.
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that he who created[a] them in the beginning made them male and female,[b] 5 and he also said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?[c] 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
yeah, divorce does violence to an intimate relationship. does this video promote divorce? what's your point?
@@MusicalRaichu the first paragraph, that where you should look.
@@ICRA95 I asked how this video promotes divorce, and your answer is "the first paragraph"!? I looked at the first paragraph of the transcript, and it's about his childhood.
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Thanks for this. Bless your soul. I came out when I was 52. Battling with my authentic self for years. I connected with Dan Mcllelan a Religious scholar, Phd and his youtube postings have helped me with the problem greatly. Social hierarchy of the ancient Hebrew Tribes etc. Take care.
You are so deceived.
God bless you. I left christianity in the 1980s due in no small part to being gay. I don't want to return as there are still too many hateful, bigoted people in the church. I would always feel like an outsider. Im more mystic oriented now.
The church is not about the people not wanting to understand the teaching.
It’s about Jesus who is not a hateful bigot. I’m Gay as a horse, Dutch expression, never left and the faith has helped me a lot in life. I’m 65. 😚
@@Davos117 After much study I came to realise that it wasn't literal history. All of the mythic motifs are present in the region. The biography and the placing of it in a historical setting are created over time. Ironically Christians don't so much have faith in God, but an unwavering faith in a version of history.
@@DIBBY40They are right. Church and more is about Jesus. When you fully 100% commit your life to Jesus, God seals in with Jesus’s blood and actions and The Holy Spirit.
I am attracted to men too and God’s love is always on me 24/7, as well as his supernatural peace. More and more He teaches me Heterosexuality and Homosexuality are sin. What does He mean? That our society has hyper sexualized us and our sexual desires are not our identity.
You left people tell you that you, the full you, is only gay. God says you are you and you have gay desires. God loves you and your desires can be used and exist in a good and holy way. But these identities we all have are destroying us and putting us in bondage and more.
@@Wisdomlies I used to think like this. You say, "You let people tell you that the full you is only gay..."; actually, I let people tell me that the full me is only Christian. I let them tell me I had something evil inside me. I let them fill me with fears. The only bondage I ended up in was an evangelical Christian one.
@@DIBBY40 You cut the quote short. And its not what people say, you missed the point because you close off your heart due to brokenness and your pain and you are afraid of being hurt again.
God does not define you as feelings or social constructs. When you introduce yourself, do you say,” Hello I am hand,” no, thats a part of you, not all of you or even you. You say your name, but that overall is a title. God goes further saying your body is a vessel and you are a spirit.
How you identify yourself is the problem and you choose to think what others call you and what you call yourself based on emotions and thoughts, is all you are.
You could have chosen to base your Identity on who God says you are.
It's not just OK to be Gay. It's most blessed.
Matthew 5:11
Not to be happy
wow you are deceived.
Great and truthfully told!
I wish Cameron well, but I think this site shows people who had their lives prosper after making the decision to be true to ourselves. What about men who tried to come out and were subjected to physical violence , and discrimination from neighbors, friends and family. The diocese that my church is a part of issued a statement that gay people are no longer allowed to volunteer in their church. You don't address the lack of places to meet people and if you don't conform to their standards you are not wanted. I have faced housing, and issues with the medical community. And the few people I did tell have passed away. This site is misleading, not everyone receives their happily ever after. I am alone and I will never have anyone who cares.
@@Davosthefree There is no hope for my situation.
Cameron you stated everything beautifully. From one gay follower of Jesus to another. We are wonderfully made.
Romans 1:24-32
[24]Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
[25]For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
[26]For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
[27]and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
[28]And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
[29]being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,
[30]slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
[31]without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;
[32]and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
I hope you realize that that passage doesn't even describe homxoesuality ...
Do not take from the Bible what only satisfies you. Im a strait man and i want eveyone to inherit Gods kingdom. You have to see further my brothers and sisters
When you start deciding what is right and wrong you fall into falsehoods.
Powerful testimony! And I agree! Justin Lee’s Torn is a lifesaver… literally! ❤
How can a liar be a lifesaver?
@@PrincessCassandra Get thee behind me, Satan! (Revelation 12:10-12)
All the best to him
I'm not religious either, but the teachings of Jesus feel right to me. I don't think that makes me a Christian though.
He's literally "the boy next door" 😂😂 and we can't blame Men's Health for doing their job well! For me it was Brad Pitt.
the only thing wrong about christianity - s like, the Old testament, several parts - and the anti-gay stuff. As a gay, christian republican lol.
Me, too! Gay Christian here with GREAT relationship with God. Don't believe religion, believe in your personal relationship with God!
I have this sense God wants us to accept ourselves the way we are. When we try to fix ourselves or change ourselves, it makes God sad, like, did I not make you perfect? That’s just some thoughts I’ve been having lately I felt like sharing.
Read Leviticus 20:13
Many Christians think something is right even though it is a sin like homosexuality (leviticus 20:13)
@@Rogue_artist3 I take what God tells me is true and I leave the rest to the religious-minded. Jesus notably had no opinion on the issue.
@@Rogue_artist3 Amen
DEUS É DEUS, e religião é coisa dos homens.
Até já fui durante muitos anos pianista e cantor na Igreja Catolica. E consegui ser valorizado como músico e como pessoa mesmo com toda a comunidade sabendo da minha homossexualidade.
Mas nunca me considerei católico. Sempre achei que os Evangelhos contém ideias, ensinamentos, que o revolucionário Cristo não teria sugerido exatamente daquela maneira, tipo: 'mulheres, sejam submissas aos seus maridos'.
Isso me parece mais coisa dos apóstolos, limitados e machistas que certamente foram.
Então, sempre fui muito crítico ao separar nas escrituras a cultura e o pensamento do homem daquilo que é extemporaneamente 100% de Deus.
Na verdade, penso que não precisamos de religião. Basta que vivamos na simplicidade, na humildade, na compaixão... Enfim, no AMOR. E fica tudo bem
Just at the beginning of your presentation, you used the term "natural."
Yes, it (i.e. homosexuality/heterosexuality), is precisely a matter of that; any willfulness as relating, being a secondary factor.
As observed copiously, considered and termed by psychologists, is that key term that serves to tip the actual reality, to our subject of instant: "Polymorphous-sexual." This meaning that, the human male (and too primates generally) are made by Nature as dually capable of sexual/amorous attraction.
For eons upon eons, we human males have proved this the very case; any and all objections to it as posited, FAILING for inadequacy of required counter argumentation, this being for utter lack of reference to that of the naturally observed, as termed.
If Nature and Nature's God had intended otherwise, then differently would have been found as present, and would then have been said to be instead 'monomorphic-sexual.'
That it is found NOT so, becomes then greatly significant.
"What is the opposite of polymorphic? Monomorphism is the opposite of polymorphism. That is, a function is polymorphic if it works for several different types - and thus, a function is monomorphic if it works only for one type." -- wiki.haskell.org/Monomorphism
The two sexualities then can be seen as mandates of Mother Nature. And thus on account, in no way can be they considered other than an intended product of Her realm of command.
To be noted is that the three monotheist systems of belief in the imagined-intangible, are basically waging WAR against Nature and Nature's God, which they believe (and so eschew) as being Satanically ruled if not made.
Not by example nor argumentation can such be reached to the purpose of amelioration of that prima facie defective notion.
Christians even vow the destruction (killing) and remaking of what they term "the Natural Man," so that the improved result might be better suited to gaining the approval of Nature's God.
How very silly!
There is no Mother Nature. There is a God however.
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Tangibly/experientially . . .
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Mother Nature is omnipresent.
Mother Nature is omnipotent.
Mother Nature is omniscient.
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Remind you of anything, Princess?
By these three all of Her creatures are created and influenced/coerced 24/7/365 throughout The Ages thus far, and likely beyond.
She was created by God who cannot be seen, nor invoked nor coerced into our presence, being absolutely of the supernatural and therefor NOT of our kin.
If you accept (or more accurately 'believe') otherwise, then let us witness the bringing-forth of any of the three by prayer or command.
This cannot be achieved.
No matter how Faithers will try they cannot so-do, except that is by use of a fascinated imagination as mystified. Whereas conversely 'in extremo' the actions of Mother Nature ARE . . . and so do affect to effection.
Mystics, being ENCASED within strictures of inescapable faith as infused, cannot be reached nor improved by examples of exhibited tangible reality, such sad spectacle to be observed nearly uniformly.
In this way individuals (and likely inclusive of yourself) are I-N-S-A-N-E, being removed from our Realm of Reality, which they would better-be if otherwise.
That said, I've zero interest in pursuing any further discussion of our matters of instant with YOU, nor ones like YOU; my words here and of-former, standing as representing the entire of my positions, vis-a-vis
@@jamesmiller4184 more lies from a crazy person.
Gay Christian?
There are many people who call themselves Christian but are they?
Is this guy single? I’ve been looking for someone like him.
You can’t be a Christian and be gay, you’re still living in sin regardless of being a person of faith. You need to choose between living in sin or totally following Christ. God gives grace to stand against temptation of sin. You become. A complacent Christian and takes the forgiveness of God for granted life in sin
Romans 7:19-21
19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me.
um ... he mentioned three people that were both gay and christian so yes you definitely can be both.
also he said that he would not be alive right now if it wasn't for lee's book. stop perpetuating bad theology that kills people, you're sinning, OK?
@@MusicalRaichu the Word of God is clear and there’s no gray areas. I’m thankful and applaud him for fighting to be alive by the only Grace of God. There’s still redemption for his soul for God’s forgiveness grace and abundance love. Check out for yourself, it’s not my word!
Romans 1:26-28 ~ 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
@@adomnti3874 If you mean the Bible, then it's full of grey areas. But it's absolutely clear that there's nothing wrong with homoxeuslaity. that's a modern heresy that developed mid 20th cent that scholars have been trying to correct since the 80s but no one listens or cares about the terrible suffering they inflict on innocent people.
Your interpretation of Rom 1.26-27 is woefully incorrect. Not a single gay person I've known did even one word of it. It's obviously not about something it doesn't even describe.
“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Um ... you realize that that's a mistranslated Bible? The original Greek does not say "nor men who have secs with men", it says "nor soft ones" (morally weak who take the easy way) "nor male bedders" (meaning lost but probably about secs abbuse).
You ok to be gay But you should not sleep around and fornication is sin
God doesn’t allow homosexuality this is absolute heresy
Jesus said you CANNOT serve two masters, for you will either hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. When it all comes down to what matters the most to you, you will either choose God to be your Master or choose your sexuality.
Wonderful story. I relate because of a similar family. If religion brings happiness and cohesion to your life that is wonderful. For me I left Christianity and all religion. It's been so incredibly healing. I no longer have to do the mental gymnastics to reconciliate me to a particular belief system.
AMEN!
Great talk. Jesus’ message is love and acceptance.
Acceptance? What Bible are you reading... smh
@@yes55504 whatever version seems we didn’t get the same message.
that is a secular liberal world message that is not Jesus message
@@CAM8689 if this message is secular perhaps the title of the article is not appropriate. Christian=Jesus. To my knowledge condemnation of homosexuality is all Old Testament. What is Jesus’ message on homosexuality?
@@corgiowner436 it is not....Jesus Message is that marriage is between a man and a woman from that statement we can infer what it is not and not only that Jesus referred to what was written in the old testament meaning as it concerns marriage and what that constitutes that has not changed so no such thing as gay marriage Jesus Message on homosexuality is in quite a few books of the new testament told through various prophets and teachers.....it is very clearly condemned.......even called an abomination.
"There's no reason why you have to choose between being who you are and believing what you believe. They can absolutely coincide."
Except for the homophobic rant of the (false) apostle Paul in Romans chapter 1. That jerk lied about same-sex desire saying it was a so-called "vile affection". Same-sex desire is simply same-sex attraction that's been triggered.
Why did I say Paul lied? Because recent scholarship indicates that he was homosexual, was or came off as self-loathing (Romans 7) or in denial (2 Cor. 12), and himself had a same-sex relationship with Onesimus. So did Philemon.
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I’m interested in Paul’s sexuality- I heard that about Paul too from a few people on RUclips.
What sources do u have? I wanna look more into this
Not really a homophobic rant at all. Those verses are followed by Chapter 2 (and it's only one verse in that passages that mentions homosexual activity (possibly in a ritual setting)) in which he redirects the rant (which is standard Jewish anti-Gentile rhetoric - see the parallel passage in Wisdom of Solomon 12) against the very people doing the ranting against Gentiles. He uses a technique known as 'prospopeia' to turn the tables on the ranters. Paul had some odd ideas about sex and might not have approved of it; but don't mistake Chapter 1 of Romans for Paul's opinion.
@@nfpbadmin5944 A prosopeia or turning the tables technique, eh? So how come Paul shows no sign of disagreeing with other Jews ranting against the Gentiles? And didn't the church run with it and are still running with it 'til this day?
@@edwardmiessner6502 I learned about this Pauline technique as far back as the early 1980's when I was studying theology; not just in connection with this issue. It's hardly an original idea in biblical studies, though it might be to those 'bible schools' (wrong so-called) that just insert their own sect's theology onto the text. It's all over the epistles, and seems to be one of his favourite forms of rhetoric. And the church didn't "run" with it; it only becomes an issue when the church fears it might be losing its authority; they it becomes their latest scapegoat. And he never ranted against 'the Jews' as a whole; he ranted against those who wanted to impose Jewish laws on Gentile Christians. See, for instance, Galatians.
Where is the source? I want to read up on it.
05:57 Discern Deception in these words. Co-exist (technically) unless, the goal is RIGHTEOUSNESS in THE LORD.
Mutually beneficial, nah. One accord, nah. In TRUTH, Nay❗
Math 5: 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for *whatsoever is more* than these cometh of evil.
for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternle life through jesus christ our lord
I am sorry for your life as you are acting it out. Go to the original Translations of the Bible. Greek and Hebrew. It is the word of God.
God DOES love YOU and all gay individuals. He loves ALL sinners. He reaches out to SINNERS. He wants to bring them to eternal life with him. Gay is not the problem. It is acting on it that is the problem.
Same for all SINNERS. Which is ALL of US.
We all have things we are tempted to do. We all have things that our will wants but that we must deny. You must surrender and follow the will of God. Not your own flesh pleasures and will. God first. You might have faith that God exists, but you have not truly put faith in him. I pray that you will some day. I think you will.
"acting on it" is not the problem. the problem was that penetrating a male was considered denigrating him because it put him in a woman's role, and in their culture women were assumed inferior to men in every way. To follow the bible requires you too to make that false assumption. Do not do it.
That's right, love yourself for exactly who you are!!!! ❤
I am an Episcopalian. Our church has same-sex marriage ceremonies. We are against discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation. In short, it is a great, very tolerant Christian church which you may want to check out. Other very good spiritual groups include Unity and the United Church of Christ.
"Our church has same-sex marriage ceremonies..." WHERE THE HECK IS SO-CALLED "SAME SEX MARRIAGE" WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE?????
"...it is a great, very tolerant Christian church..." NOTHING ABOUT IT IS "CHRISTIAN"!
"Tolerant" is code for "let's completely reject God and what Scripture teaches!"
Who made you God? Your post is very arrogant. @@ChristianConservative_