@@juliansalamanca9989 Xian was the best Gen player, but I feel like even Xian couldn't play Gen in the best possible way, Gen has so many options for every situation that I can't imagine what a dynamic imput-reading AI could do with the character
Definitely not top tier. Xian won Evo and then got 10-0d by Daigo in an exhibition not soon after. Xian played amazingly, but I feel like people weren't fully familiar with the matchup. Absolutely not taking away what Xian did though, he outplayed everyone that year
Gen is arguably my favorite SF character ever.I have a very hard time mastering him just like everybody else but if you are even close to being really good with Gen you are damn near impossible to beat!
I love that this game had characters like this. Plenty of accessible characters but also some that were almost impossible to play to their full potential.
Gen was always interesting to me, he always had *some* button he could to in any situation... but he's got akuma-tier health and does very little damage, so you've got to work so much harder than your opponent to win. Massive props to Xian for managing to win major events with him and almost singlehandedly re-writing his position in most people's tier charts.
Believe it or not, because of the 3ds version i started to play with Gen on Ps4 i got kinda decent with him but yes he is one of hardest characters to master.
The gimmick with Ultra 2 is that instead of dealing damage, it deals grey life. For some reason. It really should have functioned like how it did in Alpha, where it just did damage over time.
It also did tons of stun damage for the grey life payoff so if you managed to hit them again not only did you get the damage you also run the chance of stunning them
@@respectblindfolds7411 Killer Instinct has that with its combo system and is especially true with Mira but only after using mercury-based special moves
I remember getting positive messages after using Gen in ranked matches in vanilla. some of it I think people were glad not to have to face yet another Ken, Ryu or Sagat. that and if one was half way decent with Gen you looked impressive to the average Joe.
My favorite character in any Street Fighter game. God, I miss Gen. Slight correction to your commenting by the way: Gen actually has two different focus attacks - one for each stance. The Mantis one has slightly longer reach.
Hey John, this is Nekumaru the 2nd, the Nakoruru player last night on twitch stream. I just want to say I’m really sorry that our last match got disconnected and it made me look like I raged quit. But truthfully I didn’t! My LAN cable stopped working and I lost connection to the internet. I. Its hard to believe but I truthfully did not mean to quit the match. I’m a huge fan of yours and respect you too much to do that. I feel bad that happened. Again I’m sorry and I pray you see this.
Ricksu In my opinion about his ultra，Gen was designed as a chinese martial artist，as u can see his attacking move is using two fingers to stab the opponent，we call this ‘ Dian Xue’（点穴）in chinese，it doesnt make damage on surface，but it will cause crazy damage inside of the opponent‘s body，there are hundreds of fragile points on human‘s body，and the meaning of ‘Dian Xue’ is to only attack these fragile points instantly，also Dian Xue is used in real life for Massage or treatment，i hope u can understand what im talking about
I've used Gen somewhat in the 3DS version of Super Street Fighter IV. I don't know if the timing is changed in Ultra Street Fighter IV, but his "HK Gekiro" is timed like playing notes on an instrument. (It's kind of hard to describe this with words.) After the initial input for HK Dragon Punch, I'd time it like this to get the full 7 hits: 2x HK fast > slight pause > HK > slight pause > rhythmic 4x HK slightly slower than "2x HK fast". That's how I personally gotten those hits. I figured it might help if they chose to use Gen in the future.
my brother played this character. Can't believe the amount of depth he had. But at the time, just switching jump arcs into medium medium special was enough. but the super into ultra combo's as well as the wall jump oki was insane when it got going
love you JM. been following you & watching you regularly since 12k subs. going back and watching this video now is wild. its crazy to see how much you've grown in your craft & what a professional you've become. not to say you haven't always been a great entertainer, because you always have been awesome to watch, and always loved the content. but you're seriously killing it, and your hard work & grind really shows. i hope there's even bigger things to come for you in the future as a content creator and entertainer. you rule man.
Ive had street fighter iv sitting on my shelf for a decade now and decided to get into it and i flat out cant even get out an ultra combo i dont understand the game.
My cousin actually mained this character, it was kind of fun to have access to someone playing that character especially offline. He is just so hard to pilot; it's insane.
I love these videos, because you do the trials and give little tidbits about the input tricks and the useful applications of some of the combos and how you would use them in a real match
Yoooooooooo! I almost jumped outta my seat! Gotta say, this is the one SF game where I just gave up on combos. It might just be me but they are asking too much with the timing..
What is this..... Street Fighter 4....in 2019?!?( 10th year console anniversary) Thank you, jmcrofts!!!🤗 Also,remember:Gen’s difficulty stems from his character background,IMHO: He’s an assassin and as such,he demands precision.
I picked him up for no reason other than I liked his theme song and prefer unorthodox characters. Used to beast with him in ranked, but only after labbing my ass off.
I really wish the game had called them Kick Stance and Punch Stance, it wouldve been so much less confusing. I couldn't tell which was which so it was constantly checking the whole move list with Gen.
I once landed the aerial "sinking kick" move (crane) into mantis super into mantis ultra on a friend at a weed lounge. I stood up and screamed at the top of my lungs and everyone was looking at me like some freak lmao
It put your video in my recommended for some reason and I'm brought back this nostalgic feeling from sfIV and I popped off when you popped off at the end haha, I enjoyed watching this 😁
I played Gen in SFIV and actually got pretty good with him when everyone else was using Ryu/Ken/Sagat and Zangief. Never made it to to 'elite' levels but I didn't care because he was a unique fighter that required alot of patience and skill to learn.
I can play him competently I never pushed it with him though just solid alpha 2 play. Gen seems way more like Yun and Yang to me he’s basically the master of their respective styles more or less. I’d say more Yang then Yun
I use to main Gen but I never even messed with the fast hands always stayed away from that in matches that's why seeing Gen played the way the game developers intended him to be played through Xian was a massive treat back then. This is still a fun game but easily reminds me why I raged playing fighting games! 🤣😂 Good times
How popular is Gen among pro players? It seems to me if a person knew how to use him well that he would be really bad ass. Watching this video though, his shit is pretty complicated, but it could be just cuz im from the old school.
I'm stuck on Gen's 24th trial for days now. I can literally pull off everything except for the final move. I know that the first couple ones have to be slower and the later ones need to be faster button inputs but I just cannot do it and I just cannot seem to find any indicators on what to base my timing on. Usually with rhythm games you always get a something that signals the input time you have to match. Cannot find it here which is kinda disappointing because this is holding me off of my platinum. :(
That ultra where he does the super pokey pokey (Shitenketsu) actually causes a huge amount of grey health (around 2/3 of the enemy health bar) not stun, it is a huge risk huge reward gamble where if you don't score a hit in the frame of you using it enemy will just recover health as if you did nothing but if you land a hit it utterly decimates your opponent, Xian used it in some matches and very effectively.
Usually how I did trial 19 on pad is I keep on tapping medium kick and the light punch at the same time to try to get the hundred hand slap to come out actually works
You don't have to slide the hand cancels, I find it easier to tap them, tap lp -> mp -> hp- > mp -> hp (really really fast, need to finish on hp to get the hp version). Fun character :)
For the ones who like Gen playstyle I strongly recommend to look after 2 KOF chars: May Lee(2 stances, one has no guard) and Jhun(3 stances, 2 have no guard, nor jumping or running)
Disadvantage: You’re forced to learn 2 movesets equal to 2 characters at the same time as Gen Advantage: You’re forcing your opponent to deal the same thing as well
I'm nor sure why you think you have to slide to get mk hands. The easier way for me in every sf to cancel kicks into punch mash specials was just to hit the kick button with the thumb and plink it into the first mash input
I know this is 3.years late so it probably falls on deaf...eyes? But Gen was one of my favorite characters and the time I spent mastering Guile and Gen combos surely contributed to my carpal tunnel but man I miss Gen.
Man these combos were damn there impossible at times until you realize that everything has a timing about it and how to piece together parts of a whole to actually complete these combos. That being said I looked at the el fuerte dash heavy combo and walked away lol
For trial 24 I was already used to doing all hits with Gekiro, for me the hard part was getting the first part right XD I actually won trial 24 as soon as I "accidentally" got the first part right, I had so many other trials with Gen that I couldn't finish, but 24 wasn't that hard for me
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Gen was that mid-tier character that everyone knew was secretly top-tier but nobody could ever master it...
Xian could do it... he won an EVO with that character
@@juliansalamanca9989 Xian was the best Gen player, but I feel like even Xian couldn't play Gen in the best possible way, Gen has so many options for every situation that I can't imagine what a dynamic imput-reading AI could do with the character
Character difficulty factors into tiers imo
Akuma is easily S tier in sfv on paper, but he's so hard to play he evens out to A+
@@MayhemEverFree I dont know about that Sakonoko had him pretty much mastered
Definitely not top tier. Xian won Evo and then got 10-0d by Daigo in an exhibition not soon after. Xian played amazingly, but I feel like people weren't fully familiar with the matchup. Absolutely not taking away what Xian did though, he outplayed everyone that year
Gen is the character for people who really enjoy rhythm games. Everything is a goddamn pattern with this man.
I'm pretty good at rhythm games; I fucking suck at playing Gen.
@@lucasdurval3484 me
Gen is arguably my favorite SF character ever.I have a very hard time mastering him just like everybody else but if you are even close to being really good with Gen you are damn near impossible to beat!
@@brandennelson4772 I was a scrub that just try to fish into super x ultra lol
@@brandennelson4772 i tried to main Gen because is my fav char, but got stuck because he has no strong attack when getting up from ground.
I love that this game had characters like this. Plenty of accessible characters but also some that were almost impossible to play to their full potential.
Remember Xian used gen cause no one knew how to play gen. He was probably the only good gen
He got bopped after people learned the matchup sadly. But God was he sick to watch when he played.
he was THE ONLY GEN.
Yeb put gen on the map first but idk if yall was that deep into sf4 or not
And amiyu gen was real nice too but he wasnt able to travel to tourneys that much
@@mostverticalproductions4808 he got bopped after gen got nerfed and people learned that matchup.
As a Street Fighter fan i never thought it would be this entertaining watching someone do trials
Thanks for the like man.
Im from the Caribbean, you got fans over here too bro
Gen was always interesting to me, he always had *some* button he could to in any situation... but he's got akuma-tier health and does very little damage, so you've got to work so much harder than your opponent to win. Massive props to Xian for managing to win major events with him and almost singlehandedly re-writing his position in most people's tier charts.
Akuma had 850 HP/850 stun. Gen had 900 HP/950 stun, so he wasn’t as fragile as Akuma.
@@fissilewhistle He's only 50 health off, so it's in the same neighborhood.
@@fissilewhistle he also only got that 50 stun in the very last update, before ultra Gen spent years at 900/900.
Yeah but when his super into ultra combos could sometimes net upwards of 60 percent
Learning a Normal character: Easy Learning Gen: Nightmare
Believe it or not, because of the 3ds version i started to play with Gen on Ps4 i got kinda decent with him but yes he is one of hardest characters to master.
He's really easy. I mastered him on ps3 and got platinum trophies for this epic game!
Im shocked gen is actually hard to play. For me its ez. El fuerte is way more harder than him in my opinion
@@jetstreamsamsung1753 C. Viper is the worst
Props to Dan for taking all this ass-whooping👊
Hes used to it
It's ok, he's wearing protective gear
The gimmick with Ultra 2 is that instead of dealing damage, it deals grey life. For some reason. It really should have functioned like how it did in Alpha, where it just did damage over time.
what's grey life?
@@Gunsmoke2220 If you don't hit them for a bit, it just regenerates back.
It also did tons of stun damage for the grey life payoff so if you managed to hit them again not only did you get the damage you also run the chance of stunning them
That screws me up A LOT
@@respectblindfolds7411 Killer Instinct has that with its combo system and is especially true with Mira but only after using mercury-based special moves
"Gen has 2 stances he's pretty hard"
Lei Wulong: (laughs in 13 stances)
Hwoarang also chuckles in background. I gotta admit i enjoy playing as lei.
Comparing Tekken to any other fighting game is unfair, it’s the hardest fighting game and every character has over 120 moves. Wack shit
*laughs in Tekken Yoshimitsu main*
Lol
When i was watching this video i was just imagining how easy lei mains could play this gen
@@sunther8041 VIrtua Fighter: Hold my beer.
7:04 I believe Gen is the teacher of Yun and Yang, but he taught Chun-li some of his moves as well.
The teacher of Yang and Yun is Master Lee not Gen
You just KNOW he wanted to clap those cheeks
Minorsmile09 he taught chun li when she was a child...
@@XXFinalSn1peXX hahahahahaha
@@obasagbenga3284 no its gen he also taught Chun li father as well as her
I remember getting positive messages after using Gen in ranked matches in vanilla. some of it I think people were glad not to have to face yet another Ken, Ryu or Sagat. that and if one was half way decent with Gen you looked impressive to the average Joe.
My favorite character in any Street Fighter game. God, I miss Gen.
Slight correction to your commenting by the way: Gen actually has two different focus attacks - one for each stance. The Mantis one has slightly longer reach.
Hey John, this is Nekumaru the 2nd, the Nakoruru player last night on twitch stream. I just want to say I’m really sorry that our last match got disconnected and it made me look like I raged quit. But truthfully I didn’t! My LAN cable stopped working and I lost connection to the internet. I. Its hard to believe but I truthfully did not mean to quit the match. I’m a huge fan of yours and respect you too much to do that. I feel bad that happened. Again I’m sorry and I pray you see this.
No worries man I could tell it was the game's fault. Keep an eye out, that match might be in a video soon
jmcrofts thank you so much John.
Xian probably can do this one handed =p
btw the strange thing about that ultra is that it deals gray(recoverable) damage instead of real damage
Ricksu In my opinion about his ultra，Gen was designed as a chinese martial artist，as u can see his attacking move is using two fingers to stab the opponent，we call this ‘ Dian Xue’（点穴）in chinese，it doesnt make damage on surface，but it will cause crazy damage inside of the opponent‘s body，there are hundreds of fragile points on human‘s body，and the meaning of ‘Dian Xue’ is to only attack these fragile points instantly，also Dian Xue is used in real life for Massage or treatment，i hope u can understand what im talking about
When jmcrofts uploads it’s a good day
Can't wait for Dudley 😁
@@trudewz1840 Me too I'm a dudley main so i want to see how jm does
Yeah this dude is so relaxing to watch, which is ironic considering he only streams fighting games lol.
I've used Gen somewhat in the 3DS version of Super Street Fighter IV. I don't know if the timing is changed in Ultra Street Fighter IV, but his "HK Gekiro" is timed like playing notes on an instrument.
(It's kind of hard to describe this with words.) After the initial input for HK Dragon Punch, I'd time it like this to get the full 7 hits:
2x HK fast > slight pause > HK > slight pause > rhythmic 4x HK slightly slower than "2x HK fast".
That's how I personally gotten those hits. I figured it might help if they chose to use Gen in the future.
I would be very interested in a video where he has a hand cam. That way, when he explains, he can demonstrate.
Gen'ing Over It with jmcrofts
Gen reminds me of Mercenary Tao. All he needs is "KILL YOU" written on the back of his robe lol.
Nate Potter I think because he reminds us of Tao someone makes a Tao mod for Gen I believe.
@@MrGamingorama with a full screen dodon ray that deals 100% dmg lol
@@rentalsnake6542 yeah :D
Gen does reminds me of mercenary Tao.
my brother played this character. Can't believe the amount of depth he had. But at the time, just switching jump arcs into medium medium special was enough. but the super into ultra combo's as well as the wall jump oki was insane when it got going
27:28 your reaction was amazing lol
This was my main in SF4 back in the day. I was rank 4 with GEN on PS3. love this character 💪
love you JM. been following you & watching you regularly since 12k subs. going back and watching this video now is wild. its crazy to see how much you've grown in your craft & what a professional you've become. not to say you haven't always been a great entertainer, because you always have been awesome to watch, and always loved the content. but you're seriously killing it, and your hard work & grind really shows. i hope there's even bigger things to come for you in the future as a content creator and entertainer. you rule man.
Ive had street fighter iv sitting on my shelf for a decade now and decided to get into it and i flat out cant even get out an ultra combo i dont understand the game.
My cousin actually mained this character, it was kind of fun to have access to someone playing that character especially offline. He is just so hard to pilot; it's insane.
"How's this possible?"
Me : **Laughs in Street Fighter Alpha 3**
I love these videos, because you do the trials and give little tidbits about the input tricks and the useful applications of some of the combos and how you would use them in a real match
Gen is one of my best characters, along with Chun, Poison and Dhalsim.
Yet I'm poor with Ryu and Ken
Me: THEY'RE SELLING CHOCOLATE
Gen: What are they selling?
I know it's too late but can you explain that joke?
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Big thx. I'd never think that it's SpongeBob reference
Finishing those kicks at the end was soooo rewarding.
I have mastered Gen. He is my Chinese connection character along with Feilong. Great game here!
Omg that Gen s 24th trial was amazing bro
27:20 Top ten anime hype moments
Gen was legit my fav character in this game, loved the challenge of understanding his combos, so much fun.
For some time i used to be #1 Gen in Xbox Live (CrapHands). I think my videos are still around.
Yoooooooooo! I almost jumped outta my seat! Gotta say, this is the one SF game where I just gave up on combos. It might just be me but they are asking too much with the timing..
13:50
As soon as he said this i was like yeah famous last words, good luck
I would enjoy a camera pointed to your hands, the buttons pressed sound amazing
What is this.....
Street Fighter 4....in 2019?!?( 10th year console anniversary) Thank you, jmcrofts!!!🤗
Also,remember:Gen’s difficulty stems from his character background,IMHO: He’s an assassin and as such,he demands precision.
You can literally tell that Gen would be amazing if you learned to use him, but doing so is like "nope".
I picked him up for no reason other than I liked his theme song and prefer unorthodox characters. Used to beast with him in ranked, but only after labbing my ass off.
I used to main gen back in the day. Awesome character.
I really wish the game had called them Kick Stance and Punch Stance, it wouldve been so much less confusing. I couldn't tell which was which so it was constantly checking the whole move list with Gen.
I once landed the aerial "sinking kick" move (crane) into mantis super into mantis ultra on a friend at a weed lounge. I stood up and screamed at the top of my lungs and everyone was looking at me like some freak lmao
It put your video in my recommended for some reason and I'm brought back this nostalgic feeling from sfIV and I popped off when you popped off at the end haha, I enjoyed watching this 😁
I played Gen in SFIV and actually got pretty good with him when everyone else was using Ryu/Ken/Sagat and Zangief. Never made it to to 'elite' levels but I didn't care because he was a unique fighter that required alot of patience and skill to learn.
I can play him competently I never pushed it with him though just solid alpha 2 play. Gen seems way more like Yun and Yang to me he’s basically the master of their respective styles more or less. I’d say more Yang then Yun
It's 2021 and I'm upset I haven't seen this yet, thanks for all the content!
Gen SFIV = Plinking and or Carpal Tunnel.
Mk into 100 hands can be short cut by plinking. Press mk an lp on the first frame and plink them into mp. Then piano or slide jab to fierce.
Honestly back in alpha 3 gen used to be one of my best characters...
I can do the H.DP no problem. It's a cadence to it.
But good job for completing Gen's trials! Not too hard, but not at all easy imo
I use to main Gen but I never even messed with the fast hands always stayed away from that in matches that's why seeing Gen played the way the game developers intended him to be played through Xian was a massive treat back then. This is still a fun game but easily reminds me why I raged playing fighting games! 🤣😂 Good times
Gen has a really good jump and walk speed.
Landing that combo at the very end was so satisfying
How popular is Gen among pro players? It seems to me if a person knew how to use him well that he would be really bad ass. Watching this video though, his shit is pretty complicated, but it could be just cuz im from the old school.
Gen is really a fun character if you really invest time in learning his whole bag o' tricks...
"they don't tell you what stance you have to be in"
kick stance is charge moves, punch stance is circle moves and hundred hand pokes
In SFA2, Gen was a killer Fighter.
In SFA3 as well
Good job bro! I’d say if you can master Gen, you are a master of the entire game
That's what I think too
@@teddybeer6206 Yup 👍
What do u play this game with? I play it with a keyboard
I'm stuck on Gen's 24th trial for days now. I can literally pull off everything except for the final move. I know that the first couple ones have to be slower and the later ones need to be faster button inputs but I just cannot do it and I just cannot seem to find any indicators on what to base my timing on. Usually with rhythm games you always get a something that signals the input time you have to match. Cannot find it here which is kinda disappointing because this is holding me off of my platinum. :(
Was SO nervous for you during that last Gekiro!! :)
for medium kick conversions you can press mk + lp simultaneously then go for additional 4 punch piano. thumb mk index lp then piano.
That ultra where he does the super pokey pokey (Shitenketsu) actually causes a huge amount of grey health (around 2/3 of the enemy health bar) not stun, it is a huge risk huge reward gamble where if you don't score a hit in the frame of you using it enemy will just recover health as if you did nothing but if you land a hit it utterly decimates your opponent, Xian used it in some matches and very effectively.
I purchased sf4 2 days b4 it came out. I mained gen as soon as I unlocked him. He is super dope and his combos are more easy to do with a controller.
What controller?
It was a regular ps3 controller at the time
Usually how I did trial 19 on pad is I keep on tapping medium kick and the light punch at the same time to try to get the hundred hand slap to come out actually works
what a popoff at the end
9:51 this already looks like so much work from my perspective 😂😂 especially since I use controller
More than half the vid is lvl 24 😆, damn dude, I couldn’t do it... trouble after 20. Congrats 🎉🍾
I really enjoy watching this for some weird reason :-3
DUUUUUDE!!! fucking yelled LET'S GOOO!!! When you finally got that last Gen combo off lol
C. Viper was the most difficult character in the SFIV series. Try to consistently do her meterless super jump seismo dash cancel into ultra.
Man I loved your video, I could never finish that last combo.
I want to try again after watching this.
Lol I thought it was Shujinko from mortal combat
By far my favorite character in ANY Street Fighter game. Goodness gracious I miss him...
You don't have to slide the hand cancels, I find it easier to tap them, tap lp -> mp -> hp- > mp -> hp (really really fast, need to finish on hp to get the hp version). Fun character :)
For the ones who like Gen playstyle I strongly recommend to look after 2 KOF chars: May Lee(2 stances, one has no guard) and Jhun(3 stances, 2 have no guard, nor jumping or running)
MVP
The last trial in vanilla was starting with crane air double kick and then all that
Old men don't fight without mastering all the skills ya know.
Gen is the best because if you keep switching stances back and forth, it makes him do a little dance
Disadvantage: You’re forced to learn 2 movesets equal to 2 characters at the same time as Gen
Advantage: You’re forcing your opponent to deal the same thing as well
Me: Gen looks really Hard!
Also me realizing Ibuki 😮😦😧😨
I had a horrible trial with Ibuki
It was a real life NIGHTMARE
Hi
27:27 made my fucking week - such a perfect reaction 😂
FUCK YH I FELT that! I feel your glee man 😂😂💯💯
I'm nor sure why you think you have to slide to get mk hands. The easier way for me in every sf to cancel kicks into punch mash specials was just to hit the kick button with the thumb and plink it into the first mash input
Just cleared the Gen trials. Gotta say, they look easier than they appear. Still had a hard time finishing Roundhouse Gekiro.
Massive CONGRATULATIONS!!!! hahaha
I do CL Crane then to a Mantis Super and afterwards a ultra. So much fun
Why didn't you upload sakuras trials?
*Sees Title*
C. viper - *Am I a Joke to you*
😂 they both are crazy though tbh
viper's were way easier
Vipers are easier for me but mastering her is really hard with the cancels
The ultimate challenge, completing Gens trial on the 3ds version
I know this is 3.years late so it probably falls on deaf...eyes? But Gen was one of my favorite characters and the time I spent mastering Guile and Gen combos surely contributed to my carpal tunnel but man I miss Gen.
Man these combos were damn there impossible at times until you realize that everything has a timing about it and how to piece together parts of a whole to actually complete these combos. That being said I looked at the el fuerte dash heavy combo and walked away lol
Poonkgo playing fuerte is the best
Hands down my fave character in SF
good job dude
For trial 24 I was already used to doing all hits with Gekiro, for me the hard part was getting the first part right XD
I actually won trial 24 as soon as I "accidentally" got the first part right, I had so many other trials with Gen that I couldn't finish, but 24 wasn't that hard for me
Gen is the lei/Hwarong of ft4
I can barely finish some trials, and this one seems like a nightmare
ULTIMATE SKILL GATE CHARACTER