The MOST COMPLICATED Character in Street Fighter!?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2022
- Thanks so much to Gen OG @JiBbo for joining me in some old-school Street Fighter 4 action! You can follow him on Twitch here: / automattock
Today we're talking about Gen, one of the most complicated and difficult to play characters in Street Fighter 4. He has 2 stances, ridiculous combos, FADC shenanigans, and 4 ULTRAS!? Today we'll do an overview of the character, and then hop into some matches against AutoMattock aka Jibbo, one of the classic old-school Gen players from tournaments back in the day. Hope you enjoy!
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I remember using him in ranked back in vanilla and getting compliments. not that I'm anything more than an average Gen player, I think people were glad to see a character other than Sagat, Ryu or Ken.
Even nowadays I love getting.washed by something other than Ken or Ryu. Oh and G, I don't see him all the time but God I hate fighting him
Akuma too. Everyone plays akuma now
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I got the same treatment using Fei on ranked back then and then Gen in Super.
U remember? Why the hell don't u play anymore?!
Jibbo and Sabre were considered "specialists" back then. They even had a specialist tourney just to highlight all the unique characters that normally didn't place in tourneys.
Yeb too
One thing about the "Passionate players" is that i see often people saying "oh imagine how they would be with a top tier character" but to me it's their sheer motivation in extracting the best of the shit character (like pachikasu with sean on 3 strike, love him) that drives them to become so good, if they suddenly started playing a top tier that kind of motivation probably would not be there and they would be just decent at best.
Lol at “and they would be just decent”. I agree with some of your comment but that part is way off.
@@PetterNe It was exageration yes, i did not mean to disrespect these players, i just tried to mean that they try harder playing the character they enjoy.
This is why I
It's not that gen is bad he just has a high skill barrier which makes people not have the confidence to try and get better with him, this happens in a lot of other games too. The best characters often take the most skill to master and have the highest payoff if you're willing to put time and effort into getting better with them. It's because they often have great mix ups but are very technical thus require more skill and practice to play at the highest level which has more potential than more basic easy to use characters with less options available.
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I picked up Gen because of Xian. It's such a fun character despite seeming a bit dry on the surface. You're always doing something, and stance-switch combos are fun to do even if most of them are unnecessary.
Xian put that old man on the map
@@AnhDonoi right after he won evo that year i remember seeing so many gen players online lol
Same man ever since I saw Xian play him so masterfully I mained him. Loved the double stance combos you could pull off by switching from one stance to another. He was fun as hell to play 😎
Good games and thanks for having me! I'm so happy for your success with fighting games and it inspires me to be a better content creator 👍
Love to see a good Gen.
That float lol
The tech explanation with the pianoing and the sliding was absolutely ace, love the thoroughness of the content and the obvious joy for the game in every bit of it🔥
What does ace mean
Haven't played around with SF4 much, but Decapre required some similar tricks
@@Stickyz Ace is a substitute for #1 when playing with cards, so he was saying that it was the best
Mad respect to gen players. That stance change looks rough. But the variety of movesets definitely makes gen look fun.
Its really not as bad once you get the muscle in, just tap 3-p/3-k immediately after you hit the normal you want to stance-dance from and continue linking. It is like playing two characters but the execution for most combos that were relevant and switching from a stance to the other were'nt the most difficult. Focus cancelling from hands into another combo was the toughest for me.
I feel c viper is a harder character. This is cap
That combo at 14:00 was actual insanity, didn't expect to see an actual match, but it was great! Great video man.
That's why Gen is the best, true stances!😄
His jump and walk speed are also quite different and used to be even more so, they nerfed his jump quite a bit over time. Stance change takes 1 frame where you cannot block :(
Another trick for MK > Hands that is.. depressing is after people really started passing around "plink" techniques it was discovered Gen can just.. basically mash MK + MP + HP and get hands (FADC too) super easy. All those hours practicing piano and people can just roll their face on the buttons T.T
There are so many instances of high skill execution just getting beaten out by face rolling across the inputs.
I remember discovering Gen's ways in SF4 during the trials. I never knew you could combo into another stance. The stances were always cool, but Crane stance intimidated me.
Crane stance STILL scares me, lol.
I mostly used it as a way to screw with my opponent. Use Mantis stance first round, switch to Crane at the beginning of second and if there's a third switch back. I got an embarrassing amount of wins by just making it more difficult to learn how I played.
Loving the S4 content. The nostalgia is strong
I remember my dad maining Gen in 4. In fact he did pretty well with him. Looking back on it, and also watching this, my dad was kinda gaming
What was your dads gametag ? Was he known?
@@yahboyx nah not really ahahaha. He just played online ranked sometimes. And one of the characters he performed best with was Gen. Which as a main character, was pretty impressive.
@@plsiwannabeHyper Jaja I had a homie called danceswithnoobs and he also had a son . Some Mexican guy but he was super cool man .
Hands down my fav SF4 character. He's difficult but has everything I like in a fg character. To this day I don't think I've found a character in any other game that clicked as well as Gen did.
AKA Why I add stances to my MK11 Variation
AI Battles
Geras does Big Fist
Liu Kang does Stance
REPEAT A DOZEN TIMES
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JM I always love your deep dives on specific topics. Thank you!!!!!!
Always love these vids.
Your breakdowns of lesser known characters, along with knowledge of the old school meta is super interesting.
Best channel for this kinda content, keep it up!
Thanks for showing the inputs on camera and explaining - I'm a very casual fighting game player who just plays Ryu and my friend plays Ken but I find all this stuff interesting
Any fighting game content from jmcrofts is always entertaining to watch.
Gen is one of the most interesting characters in the SF universe. Watching high-level Gen play is awesome
So happy to see you covering my favorite 2d fighting main 🙏🏼🙏🏼 he needs the love, underrated and hard, especially stance switch parry stuff!
My main in usiv steam, I think I got to rank 30 with him and a ton of people were genuinely happy to play against the character, I feel like that rank was a lot bc of matchup familiarity
I came across your channel a couple years ago with DBFZ and i liked your proficiency with 18 and crilin, then i lost your for some times, just watching aome FGC history content now and then. But in these days i am longing for your content on street fighter. I am really in love with your SF3 and SF4 contents related.
man, i remember watching jibbo with gen, seeing his gen comboes were always hype. him and smug dudley play their chars was a joy to see.
11:10
The one from Super and onward is Jamieson Price, who has also serves as the announcer of the Mortal Kombat games since 9.
Xian has immortalized Gen.
Stance characters are very interesting, indeed.
Meh. I'd rather have 1 good character then have two mediocre ones.
@@DreamMorpheus42 id rather an interesting ok character then a good boring character
@@DreamMorpheus42 meh. I'd rather have one mediocre character then two good characters
I agree.
My favorite is Xiao Lon from KOF MI Regulation A
That game is underrated
Especially in a game with generic canceling
I haven't played Street Fighter since 2 on Suoer Nintendo. I've been watching your videos the last few months and I think I am going to pick up 6 if it is good. Your enthusiasm is infectious. Thank you for sharing your passion for fighting games
I was just thinking about this character today and you make a video about him
I used to be good with Gen in the old Alpha series, been years since i played him. Nice to see a vid on him
@jmcrofts You can do Gen's standing MK xx Heavy Hands with the piano method. I usually use my thumb and index finger to hit MK and LP at the same time and then continue on with the rest of the piano method. (MK+LP, HP, MP, LP, HP) You still get the 5 inputs required for hands and the MK takes priority over the LP. I was a Honda main in SF4 and this was the method that I used for CR.MK xx Hands
I used him for a while back in... SSF4 and on I think it was. I was the only one in local tourneys who used him so I had fun swapping stances each round to completely change how each round went.
Some things you didn't mention:
1. Super into ultra. He is one of the few characters who can get full (and obscene) damage by resource dumping. The Mantis stance super can go into either Mantis ultra 1 or Crane ultra 1 with minimal problems.
2. His DP requires weird timing to get all the hits. And if you get blocked you float for a second which can (as you experienced) avoid 360s.
3. His low fierce in Crane stance (I think that's the charge stance) does extra damage on counter hits. Of course it has so much start up that you need to get a good read for it to work.
4. Crane stance low forward goes under most fireballs. Of course as someone who was still learning how to use him this wasn't something I'd remember mid-match, but it's fun to stall out fireball throwers by just ducking under them.
5. Stance changes don't just impact jump arc and speed. Focus attack has different properties (range specifically), and I think walk speed are different depending on which stance you're in. There might be other changes, but I don't recall them off hand.
Overall Gen was one of my "mains". Considering I used like 5 different characters, I don't even know which was my main outside of Ryu.
5:15 I'm glad I'm not the only one who had to come up with this tech, for me it was for SF5 Blanka of all characters! The *only* option blanka has off of crouching medium kick that doesn't require charge and won't whiff is EX Electricity, and in SF5 you NEED a good hit confirm off of crouching medium kick or you just don't have neutral. Even after all this time, it's still a very physically uncomfortable tech to execute, too.
Gen, to me, represents an important part of the fighting game journey. The:
"whoa i want to do THAT."
Picking a few things like, waterfall kicks, or the target combo into hands, or super into ultra.
Letting these things make you go "alright, i may not learn the rest of the character, but I want to do that!"
Then you end up learning more.
Anyone else do this with other characters?
SF4 was my debut into competitive fighting, then my first match ever was against DAMDAI.... well i like watching now.
AutoMattock was really entertaining ^_^ Glad you had some matches with him.
3:39 walks forward in Mantis…
Walks backwards in Crane…
This is the stance _/_/
This is so much more interesting to watch than anything that has come out of SF5 imo.
Great vid as always! Do Fei Long please!
Really entertaining video. Auto was playing hella sweaty lol
Gen is my favorite character in the series. SFA2 I played him. We need another character similar to him Zeku was a character I enjoyed in SF5. Hopefully ,they bring a dual-stance character like Gen or Zeku. I think Jamie has a second stance of sort after he drinks 4 times. Seems like some of his moves are different but nothing like Gen or Zeku.
Those were some great matches.
Can We Just Appreciate How Hard He Does to Make Us Enjoy!
I'm not a Gen player, but the input I use for strong into heavy hands is mp, hp, mp, lp, hp. And then one of his most useful combos is st mp linked into the hp, mk target combo cancelled into heavy hands.
did our golden boy throw in a censor @13:04 ? bless his pure heart
I like these videos ... i would play you for sure - reminds me of playing Alpha 3 back in the day
Seeing Gen and Ryu on the screen at the same time makes me nostalgic
I remember first playing as Gen in the Street Fighter Alpha series back in the 90s.
Nice handcam tech !
I always made the joke 1st playing him that this dude was from 'Da _actual_ Streets
Throwing up "Gen" Signs, reppin' his set, mainly because I am so trash at SF4, I just randomly switch stances after every punch😂.
It's Gen! From Streets!
Gen is awesome! Picked him up in Alpha 2!
How do you hit that combo @ 14:07 in online SF4?! That's bonkers
After a focus you get a lot of time to input your combo making it a lot easier.
Hey, you're my favourite FGC streamer! I'd love to see more umvc3 content! Or even some usf4 dhalsim!
Liked all your videos and subscribed!
I would love more of this
My favorite SF character. He is one of my mains in SF Alpha. Never got into SF4 because i just couldn't deal with the graphics so not sure how much similar he is but i love playing him.
The hell is wrong with u 😐
One of my greatest memories of playing Gen was pulling off a 80%~ combo with him.
It required the super meter and ultra meter, where you did the super move where he dashes forward, then switch stances so you can do the ultra which is an anti air. The super barely lifts the target up in the air, but it had to be frame perfect. There was definitely a little more to the combo than what I said, but man does it hype you up when you execute it!
Gen was my main from vanilla until 2012.
And I love Mario kick.
I hated playing against this guy bruh- hes so good. Gen players are incredibly crazy
Stance characters are some of my favorites because their tech can get super wacky. I’m a Lei main in Tekken, but the idea of learning Gen always seemed like a huge mountain to climb given the execution necessary to use him. Nevertheless he’s suuuuuuuper dope.
I tried playing around with Lei. He's really dope. If I played Tekken more i'd probably play around with him and Fahkumram mostly.
And that he was basically unplayable in all but the best connections online
I forgot about the Mario looking background character in the back ground during the T.Hawk vs Gen battle
I loved playing gen online so much fun to use
Getting really good with a supposedly awful character is hilarious =D I love that, because most people are like 'how the f'k do I fight this?' They don't prepare for such rare opponents, because the chances of being up against one is so low.
Gotta also show love to YEB who was also one of the first top level Gens from back there. Jibbo was the first I saw play a Japanese player, DAIGO, of all people and use Gen. Jibbo was also nasty in SFxT.
I’d love to see more SF4 content, this game is so entertaining due to it’s depth.
I have soft spot for USF 4, the game that introduces me to watch FG tournament. 10 years later this game still looking so good regardless of the release of SF6
I used to love Lei in Tekken 3. He had the most unpredictable moves because he could toggle back and forth between different animal stances and catch the most experienced players with a wide range of combos and follow ups.
I always liked old masters, and I kinda just picked up Gen and mained him in Alpha 2 and in SFIV. Gen is the king of pokes and confusing crossup divekicks. I love it. I'm not good at him at all, but I still love him :D
He's a blast to use. Shame I suck with him.
Aaah gen. The one character that i learned to play Exclusively, to beat my older brother in alpha 3.
I recommend watching Xiao Lon's gameplay.
She is from KOF Maximum Impact Regulation A
And she has an unique gameplay because she has *three fighting stances* where she can change during the match.
Also, her special moves were good and her movility was excellent (she has the fastest teleport in the game)
Xiao Lon was top 3 in the tier list, she is not easy to master but when you learn how to play as her, you will have a great time.
14:06 SICK combo!
I remember Tokido crushing it with Gen, maybe i'm mis-remembering
Xian was the only good Gen, tokido mostly played ken and Sagat AFAIK
Gen started in SFA3 (after SF1, of course). Back then, literally _nobody_ played Gen, and I'm not even sure what a top-tier Gen would look like.
Another thing about Gen were _chain combos,_ which few other characters had back then (only Guy and Cody I think.) He could chain off his overhead, which was neat.
It's like Gen is a pre-cursor to Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance and Mortal Kombat Deception.
Hell yea, this my guy. Really hope he comes back, dead or not. Absolute badass and my favorite in all of SF.
Keep up the SFIV vids man!
I'd love to see some Blanka love
Can we see some umvc3 character breakdowns one day!
I really like that you don't just focus on one game.
I'm glad he doesn't.
Early on yeb was beasting too
Way more content like this man. Usf4 matches and characters!! Let's do viper and fuerte! Get latif on here, he loves his community! Or Abel with strider as the player
I've never played a fighting game seriously, I wouldn't even know where to start, what with footsies, fuzzys and meatys its all a bit intimidating, and I dont think streetfighter would be the game I choose to play, but I've really been enjoying your content!
TBh most of that stuff comes as you play ranked and have to adapt to people’s strategies. When you start off, all you rly need are some good pokes and anti airs, and a bnb combo. The rest will sink in the more you play
Aayy and AutoMattock is in the vid too
He does awesome stuff
Hope he makes more content
Should I go back and try 4? Never played it but its available on ps plus (old ps now)
Gen kinda reminds me of Lei in Tekken with the stance dancing.
While Chun’s SFVI Stance is a fair bit different from Gen’s it’s cool that she has one as a kind of allusion to her master. I think it’s neat
I got hit by his wack infinite in ranked once, from that point on every time i played against a gen i got flashbacks. its terrifying.
"Not just the normals, but the especials and character type too".
He was my main in Alpha 2 Gold , man i would go crazy if they added him to SF6.
You can p-link cr mk+lp then piano input the hand slaps
I just found Gen interesting, and my friend couldn't understand how I was able to play him on pad
Gen is so difficult to play but I gotta say I think viper is a bit more difficult. Messing up one jump cancel can end so terribly and the execution of her advanced stuff is crazy but she also has crazy utility like meterless fadc combos
Viper has get off me options that made her feel extra cheap in neutral though compared to gen, gen really sucks if you knock him down but you do probably punish viper way harder if they mess stuff up, but the cieling is way higher for gen, viper worked online gen didn't
Is that first character the telekinesis dude from Boah?
"Gen is so complex!"
Tekken/Soul Calibur fans: "Lol."
"nostalgic for… Street Fighter IV"
I cut my teeth on the *original* Street Fighter II, the version where there were no palette swaps to allow both players to choose the same character, back when it was coin-op only
I feel a thousand years old all of a sudden
_"You son of a gun!"_
- AutoMattock
Xian put this Gen on this map and vice versa :D
this map put gen on xian?
You all should try medium execution characters in Tekken
I think Amiyu is regarded as the inventor of Gen
I love Gen. Complicated characters always used to put me off, but Gen's just built different.
I mained Gen back in the day, liked him better in IV than in the Alpha series for some reason.
Hi JM. I have been following your channel for a couple of years. I see that everytime you talk about street fighter you never mention the EX 2 Plus series from Ps1 and Ps2. I know that it wasn't very popular among the hardcore fan base. However I loved it back in those days. Would you make a video explaining why it was so unpopular?
Sf back then was an arcade game. The Ex games were console games so there were no tournaments supporting them.
It’d probably never happen but I’d love to see him play the inuyasha fighting game