My mother, when I complained about my stepdads miss treatment. Slight smirk she covered it so fast with false empathy. Many other times I can remember seeing it.
Yep sure is HUGE giveaway My ex's daughter thru me once of those when she was trying to bully me while I was in the bathroom. That same little half smile he gives me when I'm upset
I lost my eyebrows due to an underactive thyroid and it really knocked my confidence and I remember my narcissistic ex used to make nasty jokes to his friends and their wives about my eyebrows. Funnily enough my eyebrows grew back since he left.
@@jori7398 Thank you, I have 3 children with the ex narc so can't cut off completely. I have no contact but children still do. He still continues to torture me every way possible. He didn't even let the ink dry on the divorce papers and got married again. He served the divorce papers just days after my sister passed away from cancer. He knew she only had .2 months to live and started the process when he found out. They always kick you harder when your down. It's hard and painful but I know God broke my heart to save my soul.. peace to you.
@@jori7398 Hugs and ❤ to you. Are you over the narc, how long did it take. I am trying to put on a strong front for my children and my mum who lives with me. Thank you for your prayers.
So funny! I think the main thing she's saying is that eyebrows are expressive - and narcissiats don't MOVE theirs the same - whether they're thick & gorgeous, or very thin.
Not about brows, but the look the narc gives when you unexpectedly let on that you see through her "secret window" is a chilling experience. The day I basically told her it'd be the last she'd ever see of me was undescribable. A combination of sadness, rage, disgust, shock, self-righteousness...etc. and all with a stare that went right through me. I walked away, and after a very long cry and determination, it was the last time I allowed myself to be supply.
Funny .. for me it wasn't a stare. It was through a message. When i said I'm leaving she quickly retaliated and called to keet me and give me a hug and "sorry I won't doubt your intentions anymore." Only later i found out how much that apology wasn't sincere and only to make me feel like the immature one in that ordeal.
My husband has a thick and dense eyebrows. But he hided with his specs frame. I had a question within me that why his brows are like this? Today I got the answer
the smirk, the side-eyes, the glares, the raised eyebrows, their entire body language. other people don't pick up on it, but if you know the narcs, you KNOW their body language
@@mentalcat9529 If e m means the same thing, they look at you out of the corner of their eyes. They face forward and give a contemptuous, disdainful look by cutting their eyes at you to the side and down. Your nervous system processes this as someone/something is about to attack, a danger. It isn't noticed by someone around you, but you subconsciously take note and become frightened, anxious and can't quite figure out why you are reacting unless you are mindful, observant, or know this is a strategy to control and manipulate you. Covert abuse. That's my interpretation anyway.
@@mentalcat9529 My experience was he would look away to the side so even I wasn't exactly sure why I would suddenly feel threatened. Only being out of the relationship for months, doing a "forensic" remembering of specific situations was I able to finally discern that he would tell me he wanted to go with me some place, sit by me while watching television, take a walk with me, even put his arm around me in a loving way only to then give me the covert, contemptuous, "side eye." I was left feeling confused, with cognitive dissonance, and inexplicably anxious and fearful-- all my imagination, except it wasn't. Good luck. I hope this helps. Dr. Ramani's videos are invaluable.
My eyebrows are really thin from over-plucking, I spend time in "doing my brows" so I don't look ridiculous. This is fascinating stuff though… I'll always think about it going forward. And remember, eyebrows should be sisters, not twins!
BPD here. People used to think that I am on the autism spectrum because I had a tendency to avoid eye contact. Later on I figured that I do this because I do pick up on microexpressions extremely easily and that I mostly did this with my parents, because I couldn`t stand the lack of empathy in their eyes. Now as an adult my abandonment issues and rejection sensitivity are so bad that I can literally feel my heart sink when I see the slightes hint of disappointment towards me in my mothers eyes. I can literally spot a narcissist a mile away now and one of my biggest fears is that one day I might find out that I´m a narcissist myself and that the few good things I beliefe about myself are just a lie.
If you're concerned that you may be a narcissist, then trust me, you aren't one. Going by my personal experience, narcissists don't tend to recognize narcissistic traits within themselves, and if they do, they brush them off as "unimportant" or "irrelevant." Self-exploration is not high on a narcissist's "to-do" list. Having been raised by (and still, unfortunately, having to live with) a narcissistic mother has left me with some narcissistic tendencies or traits, as part of the overall conditioning process, but these have more to do with the influence on my personality rather than having anything to do with the real "me." I've never had kids, and part of the reason is because on some level I was aware of this destructive conditioning and didn't want to do to my child the same things my mother did to me. But I've grown to recognize that having the awareness of these tendencies is more than enough to curb their expression. The main thing to realize about narcissism is that it's largely unconscious. The more conscious you are, which it is clear that you are, the more self-aware one is, the less likely one is to exhibit narcisisstic behavior. Just my take on it. :) Even though you present as BPD rather than on the spectrum, you might find Dr. Ramani's video on the difference between narcissism and autism helpful in recognizing how certain traits that seem to masquerade as narcisism aren't truly narcissistic. Best of luck to you on your personal journey!
Hi buddy, first of all, that sounds awful, I'm sorry you had to go through that, 😢 that sucks. Second, the fact that you worry about being one makes me pretty confident you're not, 😊 You're feelings are valid, even when you are praising yourself. Narcissists don't tend to introspect like that. Do you treat people with kindness when you can? Do you do your best to admit when you're wrong and correct your mistakes? Narcissistic people usually CAN'T do those things, not really. They may make it look good, but the intent isn't there. So recognize your intent, and if it's for the betterment of yourself and others, awesome! If it's just doing what you can to survive, great! If it's putting other people down for own benefit and ego, weeeeelllll, then we may need to talk, lol. I don't think it's something you have to worry about my friend, you do you, that's enough, ❤
@@glimmerofhope3074I'm glad I read your comment first, it saved me the time I was going to spend pointing out the same thing...that a narcissist wouldn't self reflect in such a way that would accept accountability or flaws, they would just project blame! The very fact that he's worried about it says he isn't a narcissist!
Ive found wonderful PTSD recovery information from youtube.com's Anne Runkle or the Crappy Childhood Fairy. Brilliant ideas for retraining and reshaping our minds for a healthier spirituality.
I’m going on 3.... I’m finally getting better but don’t trust and probably won’t ever again. Hope you are ok now. I was tricked into another relationship with another one about a year ago it was worse than first. I thought I studied and had it figured out but this one was good. I had to premted I didn’t like my cats like I’d be super bored or brush them off and look annoyed just so he wouldn’t know I cared about them. That’s flip in messed up. He is gone now and light is finally showing. I never knew they existed so the whole experience was good to learn about these types. Although the eyebrow thing I don’t agree with?
Gaslighting feels like your stuck in the twilight zone. ... like a type of twisted covert hell and the narc uses Gaslighting to try to make you believe they didn't Gaslight..... 🤢🤮🤯
I'm blown away by the number of comments about narc mums. I feel like I've needed you all my whole life! I grew up in a smaller town, in an environment full of enablers, and was the target of my mum's insecurities. I left at 18, and, at 34, am still processing the impact that she's had on my attachment style and interpersonal relationships, and of course my inner voice. Anyway I honestly didn't realise how common it was and how many people out there have had experiences with their mums like this. May we all find peace in our lives 🙏😊
Dead eyes for sure, or empty eyes. Looking into my exes eyes was like looking into nothing. it was really creepy. I could just tell there was no emotion, nobody present inside. But he did have some intense brows going on too haha. And that damn smirking. Just thinking about it makes me want to punch him Imao
My mom's a narcissist but her eyebrows are thinning and she tries to draw them on. I don't think judging people by genetic appearance is a good way to tell if someone's a narcissist...😂
It’s so good when you can laugh versus cry. I laughed out loud last night watching how all of a sudden something drastic happens when you’re trying to get a point out to the narc and it’s probably taking us a long time. All of a sudden there is an itch, or a sharp pain, or an urgent call they have to make. I laughed cause mine saw a bird out the window and this had to be the rarest bird ever one of a kind never to be seen again, bird. 🤔🥺😩What the world!
it’s actually spot on! i know someone who is very particular about grooming her eyebrows and is a full blown narcissist. it’s good to know the connection.
@@carolemmett9385 preoccupation with perfect eyebrows fits in with the trait of narcs who are OTP concerned with their appearance, spending thousands on cosmetics and beauty treatments.
I’d turn to look at my mother, my whole childhood, to see her glaring at me. I mean…full on glare; eyes squinted with that ‘disgust’ mouth. I’d quickly look away. My little brother, however, would glare back in an exaggerated way. He was brain-damaged from a severe head-injury, yet he’d glare back at her, as in a parody. That memory lifts me up.
Im so sorry to hear she did that to you but i def chuckled just imagining your brother glaring back at her XD like damn the one person with no filter in the room is showing you exactly how everyone else feels. Im sure it gave you a little sense of revenge when you saw him doing it
What this made me think of is how cartoons use eyebrows to depict what people are thinking and sometimes how good or evil they are. I wonder how much this mattered.
if the study was done scientifically with a good cross section of ages; most women over 50 would have said .....I dont know what a narc is; but I am betting my ass he is gay. many people think narcs are just arrogant self centered people. There was nothing scientific about this study from my research of it.
I grew mine back in after years of plucking and use one of the brow gel fillers and am very happy I did and I’m not one of the mentals. I was so glad I stopped hours of pain of plucking. Best decision last year. Maybe the extreme cosmetic eyebrows make people more vain but I have no cosmetic surgery or fillers in my face and am glad I restored mine.
I work in the beauty industry and literally everyone is getting thick eyebrows because it’s what’s currently popular. Different looks and thickness are popular in different years. I think it’s the soulless state that a narcissist has. It’s unnerving and frightening. I wouldn’t take this eyebrow theory very seriously. And I totally value your work.
I am an esthetician too. I use an eyebrow pencil and wax my eyebrows, but I am not a narcissist. Lots of my clients who wax their eyebrows are not narcissists, I have just talked them into it. I am especially enthusiastic about ridding guys of their unibrow. I bring it up when we are in the back where no one can see them submitting to this girly grooming technique in the shampoo bowl. It's never their idea. Never.
@@HisWordisLife4U why would you ever talk someone into waxing their eyebrows? Especially men. If someone doesn't come to you first then it's none of your business if you think they should be waxed or not..
@@HisWordisLife4Uim not talking about the clients that ask your advice. It is not ok for you to "bring it up" and "talk them into it" if its "never their idea". Are you serious?
But I have to shape and groom my eyebrows almost daily to every other day or I look like Bert from Sesame Street. I promise it's not a narc thing. It's a uni-brow thing 😭
My mother was a flaming narcissist. Yes, it’s all about the eyebrows. She shaved hers off and she would draw them on everyday with a VERY HIGH arch. She was obsessed with Joan Crawford. She also could not get enough of Mommy Dearest. This is very interesting.
Oh wow the whole Mommy Dearest thing hits me hard. My mom thought it was so funny that her family compared her to Mommy Dearest and Nurse Ratchet from the Movie One Flew Over the Cookoo Nest. For me it was horrifying because I lived it in real life. My mom did the same exact thing with her eyebrows too
This kind of seems like a catch 22 for women particularly. On one hand, you’re expected to put effort into your appearance. For example, more groomed eyebrows on women are seen as more “professional.” On the other hand, if you put in the effort, you’re seen as narcissistic? Seems like you’ll be judged negatively by your appearance either way. Not to say that vanity isn’t correlated with grandiose narcissism at all, but I think social context, degree, and intent are some relevant factors, so people shouldn’t be judged at face value (lol). Also, some ethnicities have naturally denser eyebrows, so this kind of bias seems *potentially* concerning.
@Keen Dietrich ummm.. A little pretentious to speak for all men or women. You speak as if you have some sort of exclusive knowledge or insight no one else could possibly have. That's creepy and scary.
There is some interesting insight to what you are saying. I have seen overweight and unattractive women be narrassitic also. In general, I think it gets down to people that are self indulgence or arrogant about their regard whether it takes from vanity or other means of attention.
Most indian women have very thick eyebrows so they are all in a habit of grooming them every 2 weeks.. so basically they visit a beauty salon and get them shaped. In India even the labour class women get their eyebrows done by professionals. It’s a matter of necessity here unlike vanity like nail extensions and so on. Now it’s also possible for everyone coz every salon here has at least 5 beauticians who are trained in this job so women of all social strata can afford that in a salon that suits their pocket. If you looked at the process, it’s quite painful and time consuming to some degree.. considering traveling to the salon and waiting for your turn and paying for it.. Besides we indians are genetically dark haired women so well shaped and prominent eyebrows are a common sight here. I completely agree with your comment. In my opinion...The only healthy way of healing from narcissism is to not be obsessed by them or their kinds.. we don’t have to spot narcissists as quickly as we see them. Diagnosing personality or mental disorders on the basis of facial features is a very dangerous territory, the very stereotypical attitude is unethical. That way we might just end up avoiding and ostracising a lot of innocent people. The only way to identify narcs is through a fair amount of experience with them.
Every horrible person in my life with narc tendencies have had normal eyebrows. Not too thick, not overgroomed. Just regular eyebrows. This includes family members, and partners. I have somewhat distinct eyebrows but I don't do much to them. It's more of my ethnicity.
This is interesting, but I'm rather skeptical, and I don't think people should let this influence whether they think a certain person is a narcissist or not.
Agree, it's dangerous to walk this line, we are all very impressionable and get carried away very easily (see, I don't say people are... I put myself in there too). I think is best for us mere mortals to leave preliminary studies alone and just focus on what's been scientifically proven.
I had a very long and close relationship with a narc, and was always unsettled by their eyebrows -- I now understand that it's what I WAS READING in their eyebrows that was unsettling. They can be any kind of eyebrows. This study is being very misunderstood in conclusions; the data (to me) points that eyebrows can telegraph emotions, and the more distinct the eyebrows, the louder the message.
I mean if someone genuinely thinks someone is a narcissist based off their eyebrows they're not exactly doing great in the object permanence department either.
Agreed! I have my grandma's prominent brows (though they are sparsely haired). Grandma was as far away from a narcissist as you can get. I have self-esteem issues; so, I am not a narc, either. ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
true but if they become your identity, your pride and joy. it might mean you have narcissistic tendencies.. as this fashion and beauty obsessed culture has nowadays.
Yes i had them but whn a child i started pickin them a habit i have til this day n i have bruised the skin so i kinda have to cover it now i hate that i did it but i do have a narc dad etc
Every time I would stumble or get my hair on something or do something clumsy my husband would give me what I called the death look. When I left him and I was walking with other people and stumbled they looked back and were concerned. It was such a nice feeling to know that I wasn't a bad person for stumbling and that normal people would actually care enough to make sure I was okay.
Holy moly. Makes me appreciate my sweet, compassionate husband. So sorry you had to go through that. I couldn't imagine being shamed like that by someone who's supposed to love and accept you most.
It just dawned on me that narcissists eat your feelings. I had the privilege to go to a 21 day intensive therapy DBT program. A requirement was daily writings about how you feel. I did not know how I felt and needed a list of feelings to pick from. That's what narc abuse does...I didn't even know how I felt.
I needed a list too. My therapist gave me one. It was eye-opening. I can see the same trait in my siblings. Now I am better at knowing my feelings, but not at expressing them.
My narc ex didn't have perfect eyebrows but had a weird obsession of judging everyone's else eyebrows including mine. Finding out this studies gave me goosebumps and makes me believe there is a link between eyebrows and narcissism.
I wonder if it's not so much the eyebrows but the muscles that are flexed that give it the "narc look", like when she was talking about facial expressions, I wonder if "narcissistic eyebrows" are actually a certain muscle that looks more enhanced because the expression is practiced often by that person, like feelings of anger, resentment, disgust, etc. And like all muscles the more it's used the more toned or enhanced it looks - giving people more enhanced or sharp / whatever narc traits look like eyebrows. Almost like when you can tell when someone looks tense or angry, you can almost tell when someone is often in that mood as a default because their facial muscles have been conditioned that way.
This may be the first video from Dr. Ramani that I’m having a hard time getting behind. I’m glad she had some qualifying statements as the video went on. Specifically what she said about correlation rather than causation, because I really think that is what this is. Also, probably more about the viewers’ perceptions than the subjects’ eyebrows. I’d be interested in reading the study. I wonder if they also asked the subjects if they like cake, because I bet a lot of them do. Does that mean liking cake is an indicator of narcissism as well? I think not.
I'm glad you said it. I think it was irresponsible, it's not just about reporting on a study. She doesn't remain entirely clear about whether the eyebrows were actually linked to higher narcissism or just people's PERCEPTION of them being narcissistic. Those points become conflated in the video. And no critique, cultural bias and limitations were noted, other than ' I don't want you to go greyrocking everyone with such eyebrows.' I know narcissism videos get a lot of hits, but this sounds weirdly click-baity . ' Here's how you can figure out who's a narcissist!' For me, and clearly for several others who commented, that connotation is present.
@@redherringg She said this is just one study and that more studies need to be done. She just thought it was an interesting study. Also, I'd like to point out she never did say how many participants in the study there were, that sort of matters to.
2:50 - the descriptor used is " distinctive, dense eyebrows " - I think we have a correlation-causation hiccup, in my opinion. I think it's easier to detect the narcissist's malevolent emotions IF that narc has distinct AND/OR dense eyebrows because those eyebrows are highlighted (in a way) to display the emotions " louder " to people. Very thin, manicured eyebrows, or very dark eyebrows, may BETRAY the micro-emotions that have worked their way into muscle memory, from frequent feelings/displays of contempt, superiority, etc. tl:dr it's easier to "tell" someone is a Narcissist if their eyebrows are more distinct, because it amplifies the eyebrow's social messages.
This study is geared more towards female grandiose narcissists. I believe its different for males. I read another article about narcissistic brows in general, they are said to be full and their most distinctive feature. My ex also had full bushy eyebrows. Though he didn't truly shape or arch them he did remove unibrow, stray, and overgrown hair.
This sort of thing can’t possible be very accurate, of at all. To figure out is someone is a narcissist, best way is to observe the red flags they give off, not pretend that eyebrows actually make a difference in someone having a personality disorder or not 🙄
I don't think facial features have anything with personality or disorders to do, it's most likely coincidence. Society also rewards attractive people and often punishes people with physical flaws so it's not weird that people are vain
Okay Dr. Ramini let me throw this one out for you. I was married to my male narcissist for over 32 years before he kicked me to the curb only after destroying me mentally, physically, financially, etc. I didn't even know what a narcissist was until I found you and you have helped me regain some mental clarity. When we were dating, he enlisted me to trim his very thick eyebrows, which creeped me out but I complied. Guess that was just the beginning of my nightmare. He was always meticulously groomed and I was shocked when I saw the mention of the eyebrows. How indicative of a narcissist and more than likely psychopath in his case. It was a spam of time where I honestly didn't know if I would even survive. Thank you for all you do to help us tortured souls recover. ♥️🙏♥️
30 years married, and 10 years together before that. I am in the being thrown to the curb process. It is destroying me. I am leaning heavily on a few friends who are holding me up and keeping me moving forward.
I grew up with a narcissistic mother who often flew into frequent rages and ruled the household. I became a perfect narcissistic supply who was also attractive. Quite a few narcissists came into my life and latched onto me. They are all unattractive and do not have the well-groomed brows. What they all do have is the swagger and erect posture of a very confident person, like they own the ground they walk on. They are plain but can judge other’s looks harshly (especially weight), and have to be with attractive people who have lots of things going for them. They have to have the best.
@Thubie Tubie Narcs don’t make sense. They have certain ideas about something like weight and reacts strongly. My ex-bf loudly said, “They shouldn’t have that ice cream.” when overweight people walked past us with ice cream cones. He always looks exaggeratedly disgusted when he sees overweight people.
This is so true. I have noticed this. They tend to criticize others looks a lot. If you watch a movie with a narcissist be prepared for the constant critique of the way the actors look. It's the tiniest, stupidest things too. Ex. Their eyes are too close together, etc.
I was hoping for pictures, but I think it is more complex than that. Lots of people do their eyebrows as routine, but I think they can revert to type over the course of the day and it is noticing the underlying, true eyebrow that matters. So, a freshly made up face may be deceptive but a middle of the day face, more realistic. I think it is right not to include pictures because they are only a snapshot. We observe a lot more than we can explain, maybe those eyebrows are able to evoke a gut reaction, but only when the owner is occupued and we can see their truth.
Maybe though, they had thick eye brows as a female and got made fun of and so she spends time making sure that they are well groomed so that doesn't happen anymore. That doesn't make her a narcissist.
I think the theory is more that narcissists = more likely to have dark, full eyebrows. Not that having nice eyebrows = narcissism. My ex girlfriend was a lunatic with the worst case of NPD maybe on the planet and she had beautiful dark eyebrows. So maybe she’s right
Or like me, have alopecia and get microblading down. And as some pointed out, some ethnic groups have thicker brows and groom them to be more professional. Also seems to be an automatic bias against women who want to feel/be more attractive, for a variety of reasons.
Legal Services True! I had really dense eyebrows as a kid and got made fun of bcz my hair was lighter than my brows and silly boys made comments (now that is a good thing to have darker eyebrows) but back then I felt self conscious so I started bleaching my eyebrows!!! so ridiculous what kids do to each other. but I wasn't a narc obsessing over my eyebrows ~ ~
I think what the study actually is finding, is that " DISTINCT " eyebrows (thin, or dark, or dense, a type of eyebrow that is attention-grabbing) make identifying narcissism in the subject easier, because eyebrows can express their hidden emotions well, and they're amplifying the eyebrow's body language by making them more " DISTINCT " or out of the ordinary, more dominant on the face.
What if you're born with naturally "perfect" eyebrows -- no grooming needed? I'm just thinking it's dangerous to form prejudices against anyone based upon their appearance. Some of the kindest, most empathetic people I know happen to be the most physically beautiful.
True....You can lump them all into one category over eyebrows, but when their spending a lot of money in the salon for perfect eyebrows....Welp this is definitely a sign.
Dr. Ramani isn't saying it is an absolute she is just presenting some interesting research. Caring a lot about your appearance doesn't make you a narcissist though.
For everyone getting defensive about their eyebrows, obviously the eyebrows alone aren't gonna be the sole indicator that someone has NPD. It's just an interesting observation that's been made based on a study.
I'm fairly certain that the whole point of the study was to say that, in fact, eyebrows alone can inform people as to whether somebody is narcissistic. I don't see it as racial profiling at all, because the key to it was how groomed they are, meaning tweezed, shaped, trimmed. There's a lot that goes into well groomed eyebrows. So much that I've given up on perfect eyebrows. Mine are always good enough and I darken and shape them when I put makeup on. My current narcissistic boyfriend dyes his eyebrows black and they are always perfectly manicured, tweezed, shaped and trimmed. For the first few years in our relationship it was a point of contention for him that my eyebrows were too long. One of my good friends, who I believe is a narcissist, is anti-makeup, but gave me an eyebrow grooming kit with tweezers, wax and colored powder in it. There's something about the eyebrows.
It was a very badly done, unscientific study done in Canada. I looked into it myself because their study caused more pain and anguish in groups trying to heal from narcissistic abuse. If the study had proper scientific controls it would have turned out differently. Ask any woman over a specific age what she thinks about a guy with thick well groomed brows; what they think: the answer would not be narc. There were no scientific controls and participants had no real understanding what a narc is.
My boss has me mostly convinced she is one, or very high on the scales of it, and most days she doesn’t even wear makeup, just only does her eyes brows. They’re extremely overdone to make her face more lifted but I always just thought it was funny how she only did her eyebrows and overdid them.
@@Gloriagal78 yeah, I wish people posting about narcs would be a bit more careful and include disclaimers. I’m like, does she know about the massive trend that eyebrows became? Now I’m like, do I need to be purposefully be bad at doing my eyebrows? Lol
My late husband had naturally beautiful distinctive eyebrows. He was one of the best humans I’ve ever known. Both our grandkids got his eyebrows and I’m very glad.
I'm wondering whether it might have been the muscles underneath their eyebrows,rather than the hairs? One major narcissist I know has never touched her eyebrows.
@@pheart2381 I don't think the researchers meant people with naturally beautiful eyebrows. I think the people in the research group looked at the sharpness and symmetry, probably to the extent that they look perfect. It could not be the muscles because remember they transposed the eyebrows onto people who were not narcissistic...and suddenly they were. We need to see the photos ourselves to know
Wow, this is so true. I dated a horrible narcissist. He was the only man I knew that would have his eyebrows threaded and would curl his eyelashes to emphasize his features. He meets every narcissist category.
As a man I would have to say that any guy who is that granular about his grooming has an issue or two. There's certainly a difference between a guy trimming long eyebrows and going and getting them threaded.
I once read a book by a narcissist. Who actually said he wasn’t even sure how he knows he’s a narcissist, because they usually don’t know it. But he did. He mentioned the “ Cheshire Grin” as in Alice and Wonderland. When they smile, they show bottom teeth in their smiles. My ex had a wall of photographs of Himself only. Lol with famous people. I looked at his wall of photos and had a heart attack. Every single picture where he was smiling, his lower teeth were as visible as his top teeth. I had a chill.
My dad does that too. I always wondered why I saw his smile on other people and why it scared me to the nines. My mom also has such a smile - both of them are not good parents or good people overall.
Yes yes yes ...I have been in a few narcissistic relationships and I have found this to be true. For me it wasn't the shape of the eyebrows, it was more how the eyebrows moved when the narcissist began to rage or when they were lovebombing me. There is something sinister and distinctive to me that happens with the brows...also when the narcissist had no interest in what I was saying or wanting to do, the eyebrows moved in a specific way. I've always found myself saying....look at your brows....they are a dead give away. It's soooo true for me
GOT HERE because the girl i used to date had some good or cool expressions with the brows. Used to LOVE how she reacted with the eyebrows when i said something flirticious or suggestive. She was VERY expressive with the eyebrows. But when something caught her by surprise, the reaction used to be very fast so i couldnt quite get it. She has MAANY characteristics of a COVERT NARCISIST.
No me it was just the eyes altogether. In a rage their eyes would change color and yes their whole face gets squinted up and always has this look to it
My mom took great pride in hers and really harshly criticized other female family behind they’re backs for their 2000’ eyebrow style (the thin lines) maybe it’s just coincidence nevertheless we should never diagnose someone on their eyebrows 😂
My flaming narc sister gave absolutely no care to any part of her appearance to the point where she was actually quite hideous in later years (rotten teeth, very heavy, hair thinning to baldness, odd growth on her nose) and wore that as a kind of badge of honor (like "look at me, aren't I gross? Look at me MORE"). She actually looked a bit like Elizabeth Taylor when young so that transformation was hard to watch. I think there must be a type of narc that just doesn't GAF about appearance at all, or uses being unkempt as a weird and twisted kind of aggression toward the world.
My eyebrows are very sparse as I've gotten older (58). I read in a beauty article eyebrows 'age' a person's face as they thin out. I invested in the newest thing; eyebrows stencils with pomade and I use a setting gel. I spend more time on the eyebrows than the rest of my face. I receive many compliments. I'm not a narcissist. I'm on the other side of the spectrum; an empath. The eyebrow regime gives me more confidence.
Same here. I don’t change mine with fads, and I like them nicely arched, filled in p, and not too thick or thin, and I’m not a narcissist at all either.
Yes, for people who have a skin disorder, such as rosacea, which I have, and which causes a loss of eyebrows, (and even eyelashes for some), this is kind of unfair! I would say, a very BIG maybe to that study, here. I have to put/pencil on eyebrows, in order just to look normal. It sucks!
@@1Skorpia lol, study is not ridiculous. it is about unnaturally modified eyebrows to get a thicker etc. look. it is not about judging people on their natural looks. but more like judging their choices to get a certain look.
I’m a hair dresser and you can tell a lot about people from there eyebrows. Especially mental health. The same goes with how they get there hair done and the style. And yes the narcissist does actually spend more time on themselves getting there hair nails and brows done as well as pedis because they have a need to always look more perfect than the person in-front of them. It’s a one up that only they understand. As said to you by a cosmetologist who watched a narc salon manager destroy eight women at a time.
Wait a minute… I am just high maintenance so I can be low maintenance lol I get my brows laminated, my lashes done, bleach my hair, get a mani/pedi every month because I don’t have time to do it more often. I don’t believe I’m mentally ill, I’ve never been diagnosed with anything other than postpartum depression/ anxiety. I’m a mom of young children, I have a public facing job (sort of) so I have to look put together a majority of the time and have very little time to get ready each morning.
My narc ex boyfriend would always correct me in the ways I did my own hair, and he looked at me like wtf are you doing girl 😂 he knew better than me fr
When my narc smiles his eyebrows make him look like a kind person. Inner ends get up high, and outer ends get lower. But his smile is fake and laugh extra loud. I dont think eyebrows a good determining feature. But he had what I call "crocodile eyes". Cold, glassy, scanning envirement for a next prey.
Oh my gosh! The extra loud laugh! My ex narc would, on occasion, do it SO loud that an entire restaurant would hush and people would be looking. At one point he did it at a kid in a musical who messed up his line. The audience had no idea the kid made a mistake, but was laughing at the show...until he laughed so loudly and obnoxiously that the entire theater went quiet. By the way, the ex knew the kid made a mistake because he was one of the hired musicians for the show. Having gone to the rehearsals is the only reason he knew there was a mistake at all. Yet he thought there was nothing wrong with his behavior even after I pointed out that he probably humiliated the kid. He used to do that at all the high school shows he was hired for, but that one time was the worst.
I’ve lived through all the eyebrow trends, from the Brook Shields bushy eyebrows of the eighties to the over tweezing in the nineties, but what’s going on now with eyebrows is crazy! When did eyebrows get to be so important? I mean, they’ve always been important for the reasons you stated, in expressing emotion, but the money and time spent on them now is insane. I don’t think it’s coincidental that it happens at a time in history where everyone has the opportunity to put themselves out to so many people via social media. It seems like we have never had such a perfect breeding ground for narcissism like we do now.
I agree. The thick groomed sculpted exaggerated black eyebrows of today look so silly, especially if they don't correspond to the actual hair colour. I keep mine pretty natural, just pluck the odd stray hair every now and then
That's so true. We're probably around the same age, I'm 46 and I was born, raised and still live in Los Angeles. I went to the mall for the first time in many years to return some items I had purchased online. I left right as they were closing, so driving through the parking lot I saw a lot of different people, but one thing that struck me was how perfect everybody looked to me. Perfect bodies, like they all work out regularly, sharp, clean haircuts, etc. In all my life I'd never seen so many average people walking around looking so good. I guess it's a good thing that so many are health conscious, but I do suspect it's more appearance driven than health and it's directly related to the internet. It was kind of strange.
I once had a colleague who was a massage therapist, and at the beginning of Covid lockdowns in the US she started putting out facial massage videos. She did one on eyebrows and she called this area the "difficult emotions" area of the face. We hold a lot of tension in this area that can be tied to challenging and uncomfortable emotions. My hypothesis is that narcissists might be recognizable from their eyebrows because we are picking up on the micro-expressions of their constant internal state of discomfort that come through in their eyebrows.
I agree. Have you ever heard of Paul Eckman? He teaches classes on how to read facial micro expressions and how to pick up on hidden emotions and feelings of others based on watching their face. There are a lot of micro expressions around the brow area. And anger is one of the easiest ones to pick up on.
Absolutely. You are right. I have a narcissistic parent, and those eyebrows are costantly showing disapproval, delusion and anger. I'm so tired and sick about this expression.😠
@@Adam-xs3ng yes, but our brains are generally good at picking up emotions based even on still images. It’s not 100% accuracy, but it is something we can do.
I’m not going to let my eyebrows grow wild to prove I’m not a narcissist 🤣 I live a quiet & peaceful life that does not require validation or attention 😆
I don't think that's what they were referring to. You're not a narcissist because you tweeze here and there. Narcissists coincidentally have Instagram-Brows.
I have the unibrow gene (fortunately, the ones in between died with tweezing). I don't bother with much makeup, but I will smarten up my brows. They irritate me if I don't.
I started noticing my Narc’s eyebrows based on the title. Yes they are dense. However, it lead me to realize through observation that whenever he is going to say something mean to get a reaction he raises his eyebrows and opens his eyes wide. So now when he does that I know to breath and protect myself. So thank you.
Wow. Mine never did any eyebrow grooming. His eyes were so dead and condescending I never noticed the brow position. And he didn't smirk so much as purse his lips up in disdain like he smelled something bad.
So I love Dr. Ramani. As an esthetician I do people's eyebrows damn near every day. Also I am an empath so I feel energy which of course doesn't eliminate me from narcissist. But my comment would be that women and men these days are into good grooming. While I won't discount the study, people like their eyebrows done. They frame the face and make you more attractive. Not sure how to feel about this one.
@John M you assume I don't understand because I dont agree. Sounds familiar. Self loathing and insecurity, which is my take on a narc, doesn't always coincide with good grooming and self care like a brow and lip wax. Taking care of your outward appearance typically means you feel good about yourself.
@John M I agree about narc vanity...it is all about appearances. I have unfortunately met a number of narc women and quite a few had plucked eyebrows with them drawn back on in very peculiar positions and in very distinct color contrast to their skin tone. I was aware of it but never really made the connection. I definitely will pay more attention to detail from now on and see if I can notice a difference with narcs elaborating existing brows in any way. I am an empath and after being screwed over by them for most of my life I have studied up on them and my empathic qualities. I now can spot them within ten minutes of conversations in most instances and have a red flag impression on those that are a little more elusive to me. I enjoy people watching anyway.
We need to see the whole study. This is preliminary info. They didn't say anyone who grooms their eyebrows shows narc tendencies, just that *something* about eyebrows can be a cue.
Thick eyebrows, combined with thick shiny hair and clear skin are a universal advantage that could be a breeding ground for narcissism... However, I have found that 'The Smirk' is a 10/10 giveaway... empathetic*/regular people don't smirk when they have an advantage or when they see someone else (even a rival) in pain...
My mom is a massive narcissist. She's a cosmetologist who focused on hair removal. Her specialty was eyebrows. She called herself "the eyebrow specialist". She had tons of clients. She was really good at it as she is a perfectionist. It's funny how at a young age I started to pull all my eyebrows and eyelashes out because of all the unrelenting horror I had to live in. It must have been hard for her since they see us as an extension of themselves. Not to mention she's the eyebrow specialist and mine were a wreck.
I'm so sorry for what happened to you. You might have Trichotillomania: Where a person may sometimes pull their hair out in response to a stressful situation, or it may be done without really thinking about it.
You dont HAVE to wear a mask or even worse, what comes next. But u will need to recognize who your enemy truly is. A significant lifestyle change will be necessary(it was a good trap). Proverbs 29:25 The fear of man lays a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is safe. Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money. Luke 14:33 So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple. Revelation 13:16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked in the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
When I told my friend I was pregnant, she gave me maleficent eyebrows. I had only seen her do that a handful of times over the 10 years I knew her, but she definetly was not happy. No contact 8 years now.
We are now in a generation that wants "dense" "thick" brows ....people, especially women, tend to draw on, henna on, or microblade/tattoo their brows--- I would say near 75 percent of my clientele invest in brow enhancement...and spend a good amount of time daily perfecting and accentuating their brows.... due to the intense influence of social media trends and pressure to achieve beauty "standards" (I am a RMT, energy/alternative therapist, make up artist and esthetician...and I hold a BA in psych...only stating so I have a leg to stand on here) And what about babies and young children? My daughter's both have thick bushy brows, a signature trait of youth. I don't know, I think this is flawed. And we need to be careful with what we are telling the general public. We live in a world of information overload, when we make gross statements and claims with very little empirical evidence, it can cause paranoia and hypersensitivity, resulting in people making trigger judgements or having negative reactions to others (and themselves)
First of all thank you so much for understanding and supporting being in the industry. It's not lost on me. While I'm aware that there are varying views, I just want to say that I've met amazing people who are in the practice of getting their brows done simply because it necessary. Appreciate you!
It's just noteworthy - nobody is saying these eyebrows make you a narc. It's just a sign among many. I think this doc and many others flat out say, you can't tell from a few signs or watching YT video - it has to be diagnosed by a professional and that takes time.
This is extremely interesting but I wanted to say this to compliment you on how well you articulate your words to express yourself. Everything you say is captivating and I have been watching your videos for years on narcissism.
This is very interesting Dr Ramani. My sister, a narcissist, has this whole thing about her eyebrows, if she faces a challenging (authentic) situation and does not like it, her saying is "I just give them the eyebrow" and raises one and stares at the "offender". She cannot communicate clearly and prefers to intimidate people. For years I always thought, why don't you just discuss the issue? She and my Mother affected my life traumatically, thankfully I am on the other side now and just turned 50! It takes a long time to comprehend and process all of this, a lifetime actually. I wish my 17 yr old self had known all this! I have given so much of my time and energy trying to understand and support them and their narc behaviour. I feel at peace now after years of their harmful poison. Great video!
My Ex narc Husband.. once i asked him what he thought my best feature was. He replied my eyebrows.. i always thought out of everything that was really odd... i have thick brows hate dealing with them but when thy get really bad i do clean them up... just WIERD!!!😶
Emma hugs and support for lifting yourself from the trauma. For me it is a father, mother and sister who were constantly abusive, often in pairs or all three at once, and I finally had to cut off contact with them because the patterns were so ingrained. Family of origin abuse causes permanent damage, I think.
@@Mister_Listener thank you and I wish you all the abundance and healing you deserve. It was exactly the same for me with my parents and siblings, I think Dr R called it "mobbing". We are wise to cut them off.
Now I think far more people are reading about this because of Internet. Narcissists will have to start being good or they will not be able to hide lol.
Same experience here. Saw this exact phenomenon on a lot of people who turned out as narcissists later. I consider it as a huge red flag. Even when smiling those people were able to make the smile repulsive by having rolled up upper lip too.
I do that when really thinking about things and furrow my brow. Especially problem solving. So, maybe a judgement call? So, i could possibly see that as narcissistic because judging but you never really know what a person is thinking about. Could be from what am i going to eat for lunch or shoot how am i going to get home today or more sinister judgements. But we all do it to a degree. Maybe the internal thinker logic people.
@@jamesdean747 ROFL Maybe not...Jimmy Dean!? Authenticity is important to me except with trolls using the name of a famous dead movie star for some cachet....you got a highlight which means someone thrives on this kind of lame inauthentic conflict.
@@deborahcurtis1385 my parents named me after him. Thanx for recognizing his greatness. No i did not get a highlight of this. On the other hand; i did like your reply. Some microexpressions made me smile. Based on your reply i want to marry you. Are you down with that?
I have always had a frown in the middle of my brows. In bright light especially...even when im smiling if im outside im always scowling with my eyebrows. Lol!
So, I am a licensed esthetician, and while I was in school, and and work places I can attest to the fact that people with more groomed my brows were a little bit more on the gossip side. I learned quickly not to share with these women/men just by their actions. Personally, I do keep up on my eyebrows and I know I’m not a narcissist I am in therapy and I have CPTSD. Part of the reason why I left the beauty industry is because of how many people are full of themselves. I was sick of it so now I am back to square one working on my art, and hopefully having that hobby bloom. I am now just a caregiver for my nephew and at least I get discounts for being a licensed esthetician. Also, my closest friends always come to me for skin care advice, and that is a lot of fun and life-giving 😊
As a person with narcissistic tendencies this one has stuck with me. I spend a lot of time grooming, tinting, micro blading and even filling/shaping my brows with makeup. As a child I had an incident in the second grade with a schoolmate who rudely brought to my attention that I had a unibrow. That day I went home in a panic, begging my mother to help me. We ended up using facial Nair and I ironically got a small rash from the depilatory. I guess to me the topic brings forth the idea that narcissists may develop more intense grooming routines due to the fact that embarrassment and shame affect them more seriously. I also believe that this leads to the discovery of using grooming and physical appearance for leverage. Think American Psycho… just a thought! (:
I'm narcissistic to some degree too and at a point in my life I have stopped caring what people think of me. I realized that everybody is narcissistic in their own way. Some dress up and some take the moral high ground. People who judge others on their flaw is a classic sign of narcissism in itself and guess what, everybody does that. I've come to terms with this flaw and accepted it as a human condition and something not to be proud of nor to be endorsed to and neither something not to be too concerned with at an obsessive level where it becomes your own narcissistic tool. Just acknowledging it as a flaw or a gift to learn something of value from life is enough for me to make peace with it and accept lessons as it comes.
@@sunnieonesotrue5868 Eileen had an upsetting early life experience. The DSM 5 lists 9 criteria of which you have to meet 5. "Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a cluster B personality disorder defined as comprising a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy." That's the summary. A person could put effort into their appearance for various reasons yet genuinely care about and empathize with others. I don't think narcissist are likely to feel guilt. I think entitlement and lack of empathy are the big ones.
Eyebrows are an inherited feature. Is the hypothesis now that narcissism is inherited? This doesn't make sense to me at all...really... Many women groom.their eyebrows. This is a stretch to me. I find it over the top. And not very credible.
There is a degree of genetics involved in whether or not you’re a narcissist but upbringing can change or solidify your fate. (Nature v Nurture). My ex (diagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder with narcissist tendencies) spent an inordinate amount of time on her eyebrows than any other feature. I find this very interesting.
No its a science. Very precise and has absolutely nothing to do about judgment and everything to do about facts. This trait in the face equals this emotion or habit.
Yeah this is really bad. Like astrology-level bad. The most it shows is that people tend to 1. stereotype other people according to their looks, and 2. quickly and easily believe really dumb things, especially those dumb things that make them feel smarter.
Especially now, when everyone’s eyebrows are groomed. I keep looking around, to see if I can make sense of this, and I can’t. In order to make sense of it, combine with behavior. Unless it makes sense and can be combined with other actions, I have found that it’s better to leave it. I might go really paranoid if basing my judgement just on modern eyebrows. Or am I really attracted to narcissists in friendships?
Totally agree. Especially as, how many men do we know who groom their eyebrows? Unless, as one older man said on another channel, that if he didn't groom them, he'd look like he's got a badger on over his eyes :D
Interesting! My grandfather was a narcissistic personality, and he had extremely bushy eyebrows. My mother used to say how afraid she was, as a child, of her father's outbursts and how "he only had to raise an eyebrow, and I knew what was up!" He used his eyebrows to terrorize the whole family. Like a secret - or not so secret- code. Just remembered this.
this reminds me of my own mother's eyebrows. if they were so close together as to form a crease in her forehead between them, you needed to get the fuck out of the way!
So wait... isn’t this a bias towards ethnicities who naturally have thick distinctive brows? I could see if you purposefully make your brows attention grabbing, but what if you are middle eastern or Italian and you are born that way? I think this could set a dangerous precedent and needs more study. 🤔🤔
@@julesadonis3275 I did too and there seemed to be no accounting for ethnicity or for ppl like me, with alopecia, I get tattooed eyebrows and lashes because I have an autoimmune disorder that affects my hair.
If you take it that way, certainly. Or can look at it as a complete fallacy. The way you view something gives it power. I don't think people understand that. That is why i get so upset about persecution of anyone based off of an opinion unless it is my own.
If people see those with ”special” eye brows as narcissistic, it doesn’t mean they are! My self proclaimed narc mother never groomed her brows - and for sure she is one...
I think this was somewhat enlightening. People who are into fashion aren’t necessarily narcissists, are they? Well groomed eyebrows are in vogue now. Why is that? Is it because our culture is getting more narcissistic. I won’t dismiss those findings, but I don’t expect to have understood this either.
@@HisWordisLife4U Men in general don't do much eyebrow grooming. Maybe narcs who don't groom their eyebrows are convinced of their own perfection already.
@@kittyhouse1028 I think they would if there is an extreme problem but they don't know what to do exactly. I don't notice a guys eyebrows unless they have unibrow. Or when they begin to age they start to get crazy long eyebrows that are rouge and out of control. You know the ones where it affects their eyesight? LOL I know guys want to look groomed and nice just like women do but they can usually get away with being way more natural. If you tell a guy what they can do about it, they will. I don't bring it up unless I think it will help them. I bring it up bc I know our culture has a taboo about hetro sexual men doing thing that may be considered "girly" and grooming is not just for girls. Once they know how to get rid of the unibrow, they are eternally grateful for me bringing it up and waxing it off. Every time. If they want to knw how to maintain it in between, I tell them they can tweeze those rogue hairs out, but only from the middle where the smooth part is. I don't know if there is any relationship between eyebrow grooming and narcissism. There are two kinds of narcs one that loves and worships their body and one that completely ignores their body and doesn't identify with it--so maybe the first kind does but the second kind doesn't. :)
@@HisWordisLife4U I'm into genealogy and DNA. Did you know a unibrow is one of the traits tested for by one of the main companies? We are elderly and I always have to trim my husband's few eyebrows cause they grow down and get in his eyes.
I lost most of my eyebrows while very young. I've had to draw in my brows for decades. I hope I haven't made them too distinctive! People laugh at others who use makeup to enhance their brows, but some of us really have to draw them in to look human.
My mom plucked her eyebrows into infinity in her youth. With old age, it became difficult for her to draw them on. she went an had some nice ones tattooed on. they look good.
I'd say just dress yourself up however you like. Judging someone based solely on their eyebrows would be a mistake on the person making the judgement I think. Correlation is just that, if the research is even sound in the first place. Make yourself comfortable first and foremost either way ^^
@@asinglebraincell6584 Yes, but I don´t think she is referring to make a "judgment" solely based on people´s eyebrows. In any case these days would be difficult to spot a narcissist woman ( for certain) based on that since a huge amount of women get their eyebrows painted at a very diva style.
my eyebrows also are barely visible and I have this scar on one of it :( so I had microblading which made my brows look great for some time even without make up. i guess im a narcissist.
This subject was quite thought provoking. I wish some of the pictures in the study could have been included to better clarify by actual example. Great video as always! You are one of my favorite channels, and always helpful and informative. Thank you!
Without pictures I have no idea what she is talking about. Dr. Ramani has very nicely shaped eyebrows BTW. Spends a lot of time shaping her eyebrows? Are her real eyebrows thick?
Except that groomed and drawn on eyebrows are now extremely fashionable....and this is practiced mostly by women. I would advise against making psychological judgement based on physical features as this is problematic on multiple levels.
I wonder if one could say that the fashionable obsession with the eyebrows is merely a symptom of an undeniably narcissistic-enabling society in which we live?
My mother is a narcissist and always raved about my eyebrows "Your eyebrows are perfect!" So then I started paying attention to them...now I'm going to look like a narcissist to others? Great.
Most my GFs and now my N of 20 years all Ns and they all used the eyebrows as part of the scowl or disapproval. Of course I didn't know anything about this until being nearly pushed into self harm now I try to understand as much as I can. At this point, I sometimes see random pictures of women on the internet and my hackles go up.... It's def their eyebrows and how they use them. I think many times they may be uneven or they accentuate one more than the other to drill in with their stare.
To me it seems a bit silly, but I think Dr. R has a good point still. The eyes are a very expresive part of the face, and she cites research in her video. Of course, to draw conclusions ("narcissitic eyebrows" being a thing, I mean), is up to the individual to decide! I think it's an interesting observation! I have images of my parents darting eyes and constant eye-rolls and other things seared into my brain, so I can relate personally to what she is saying.
So the young, shy, and absolutely lovely and sweet Middle Eastern cashier at the grocery store is a hidden narcissist because her thick and dark eyebrows are meticulously groomed?
@DoctorRamani I've been following your videos and have even seen you on some crime documentaries. I admire your work and it has been a comfort to me. My aunt is a NPD and she helped her little sister [my mom] to an early grave. My aunt was so solicitous of me to the point she tried to get custody of me and drive a wedge between mom and me. Not sure you call it a biometric, but you are spot on in regard to the strong brow/eyebrows. In ancient pix of my aunt, she had distinctive brows, while my mom had noticeably faint ones. I believe your correlation of good looks to NPD, though it does present a chicken/egg problem. When s friend and her husband started the process to adopt a baby, the social worker asked if they had a preference of gender or ethnicity. My friends said, "not at all, though we would prefer a pretty baby since life if much easier when one has good looks. Truer words have never been spoken lol- although too good-looking presents its own problems smh.
Wow that’s fascinating. My family actually noticed years ago that you can almost always tell who the villain of a movie is based on their eyebrows. I bet people have picked up on that subtly unconsciously and its made its way into archetypes.
Looking into the comments section & Seeing a lot of comments that sound very narc themselves I love watching Doctor Ramani but this vid is taking a path to no good
uh oh. like maybe they are learning. A narc i knew kept insisting i was the narcissist when i finally discovered the term for it and could put a name to all the abuse of my parents. Now we need to learn to not become the shadows we stare at. To point fingers is easy. To point a finger towards ourselves isn't. I suspect he was a narc.
This video barely scratches the surface on the significance of brows being an indicator. The main thing is how they are USED! I have been saying this for 20 years and it is amazing to finally see a video using eyebrows as an indicator. Thank you!
I suspect that the way they are used is a bigger factor than the way they are shaped. Dr. Ramani's brows look like they are highly groomed to me. Are they very thick in their natural state? Should we be worried about the doctor being a narcissist?
My ex husband did not have noticeable eyebrows. While I will never know for certain if he is a narcissist, as I left in an effort to save mine and my children’s lives. I will say this though: when he was angry and I believe to be a malignant narcissist, his eyes would turn the darkest, deepest black you have ever seen. It was haunting. And terrifying. Thank you Dr. R for yet another insightful video. You help so many of us.
I think what the study actually is finding, is that " DISTINCT " eyebrows (thin, or dark, or dense, a type of eyebrow that is attention-grabbing) make identifying narcissism in the subject easier, because eyebrows can express their hidden emotions well, and they're amplifying the eyebrow's body language by making them more " DISTINCT " or out of the ordinary, more dominant on the face.
@@evitaietavir2096 Distinctness was something they said towards the end of the study, that someone cannot control. The study was more focused on grooming and adornment of the eyebrows. I'm sure that they're right in that participants could use the eyebrows to find the narcissists, in Toronto and online. I'm 100% sure, though, that they're wrong in thinking adornment and grooming are THE reasons. They've only just scratched the surface, in my opinion. www2.psych.utoronto.ca/users/rule/pubs/2019/Giacomin2019.pdf
@@user-uj6sc7ls9y Thank you so much for the full study! I agree that their speculations aren't something I agree with, but I do think they couch them as speculation appropriately. They do specify that of distinctiveness, grooming and femininity, only distinctiveness was correctly linking the eyebrows to the narcissists. Also in the Limitations section of the study, they wrote: "Although the mean accuracy levels indicated modest effect sizes, their small magnitudes likely stem from the very narrow scope of the physical and visual real estate upon which the judgments rest. Yet, it is impressive that we could nevertheless isolate a facial characteristic related to narcissistic grandiosity (i.e., the eyebrows) and, crucially, show that people can identify and use this cue to evaluate others’ narcissism." I don't think people have good standing to be so upset about the weak conclusions. Their language is very conditional: " Future research should determine whether the brows’ role in narcissism perception arises from adornment. Indeed, further investigation might also elucidate the brows’ broader role in person perception."
I also think it's kind of multifaceted because if one did groom their eyebrows to be more distinct it would just up the "distinct" stat, so to speak. If the conclusion were drawn that Narcs intentionally make their eyebrows more distinct, it wouldn't affect the data results, which say *something about distinct eyebrows helps strangers identify Narcissism CORRECTLY*
@@evitaietavir2096 do you mean that indirectly, in this study, narcissists without distinct eyebrows would easily go unnoticed because they're not as easy to read, but they're still a narcissist?
Thank you for making this video! My bio parents are both narcissistic and your videos combined with counseling have been my road to recovery. I love that you teach and cite research; it’s my window to the psychological world!
One of the things I have noticed in beauty and make up is that there is this obsession over eyebrows. (I'm not sure if it is applicable to men, but for women definitely.) I remember as an older teenager in the 90's that there was this practice where people plucked hair out of their eyebrows to make them appear thinner, but more recently there is a trend to make them bigger and to draw attention to them with make up. I've never really liked either practice, but the more recent trend to accentuate the appearance of them makes me cringe more than the 90's trend. It seems to make the person who does it appear meaner - I don't know if there is a correlation between heavily made up eyebrows and narcissism, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was because of the repulse I get from it.
A few years ago a lot of youtuber women were getting their eyebrows re-created to be sort of pointy-arched. No matter what they naturally were. It seemed weird to me that they would want to alter themselves so much to follow a fashion trend.
Black eyes are so scary. The face even looks black. It's hard to explain but anyone who has seen a narc in a rage has seen it. My mother and sister look very dark in photos, it's like having a black filter over the picture.
I'agree, eyes! Are the window to the soul. It is often right there, in the eyes. In the ability to smile spontaneously and openly, narcissists are often faking smiles, but then again, many of us would be conditioned to do some of that too. So sincerity and spontaneity as well as their absence are best reflected in the eyes, not as much in eyebrows. Overt narcissists will be a bit more negligeable, specifically men, thinking they 'have it all' anyways. Covert narcs yes, will take more specific care of themselves. But these are just tendencies, they will not give you the full understanding of a person in front of you. Luckily, we are a bit more complex than that. We should judge wisely and base our judgement on essential, not superficial things. Otherwise, we become the superficial narcissist evil, aren't we? Caution, good heart and responsible attitude are much needed in such matters.
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The no brainer is the smirk that you catch when you are in psychological and emotional distress. You see that you never forget it.
My mother, when I complained about my stepdads miss treatment. Slight smirk she covered it so fast with false empathy.
Many other times I can remember seeing it.
Yep sure is HUGE giveaway
My ex's daughter thru me once of those when she was trying to bully me while I was in the bathroom.
That same little half smile he gives me when I'm upset
@ciaralee9760 sick isn't it? Absolutely demonic.
THAT !
no never. it is haunting.
I lost my eyebrows due to an underactive thyroid and it really knocked my confidence and I remember my narcissistic ex used to make nasty jokes to his friends and their wives about my eyebrows. Funnily enough my eyebrows grew back since he left.
Narcissistic abuse is hell on your endocrine system bc of the constant stress so it makes sense!
I am going bald from my husband. He has great eyebrows and when he scowls at me with his eyebrows I ask him why and he says he isn't doing anything
@@jori7398 Thank you, I have 3 children with the ex narc so can't cut off completely. I have no contact but children still do. He still continues to torture me every way possible. He didn't even let the ink dry on the divorce papers and got married again. He served the divorce papers just days after my sister passed away from cancer. He knew she only had .2 months to live and started the process when he found out. They always kick you harder when your down. It's hard and painful but I know God broke my heart to save my soul.. peace to you.
@@jori7398 Hugs and ❤ to you. Are you over the narc, how long did it take. I am trying to put on a strong front for my children and my mum who lives with me. Thank you for your prayers.
@@jori7398 Your words are beautiful, they made me cry.
Look, I'm all for identifying a narc but this theory raises a few eyebrows in terms of credibility.
Lol 😂
😆 Good one!
So funny! I think the main thing she's saying is that eyebrows are expressive - and narcissiats don't MOVE theirs the same - whether they're thick & gorgeous, or very thin.
Ha!...😆
@@barbarawarren9443 EXACTLY!
Not about brows, but the look the narc gives when you unexpectedly let on that you see through her "secret window" is a chilling experience. The day I basically told her it'd be the last she'd ever see of me was undescribable. A combination of sadness, rage, disgust, shock, self-righteousness...etc. and all with a stare that went right through me. I walked away, and after a very long cry and determination, it was the last time I allowed myself to be supply.
Yes I have been through this!
Good for you.
Oh yes, that STARE, I know it well. Chilling
Funny .. for me it wasn't a stare. It was through a message. When i said I'm leaving she quickly retaliated and called to keet me and give me a hug and "sorry I won't doubt your intentions anymore."
Only later i found out how much that apology wasn't sincere and only to make me feel like the immature one in that ordeal.
My husband has a thick and dense eyebrows. But he hided with his specs frame. I had a question within me that why his brows are like this? Today I got the answer
the smirk, the side-eyes, the glares, the raised eyebrows, their entire body language. other people don't pick up on it, but if you know the narcs, you KNOW their body language
Whats the side eyes?
@@mentalcat9529 If e m means the same thing, they look at you out of the corner of their eyes. They face forward and give a contemptuous, disdainful look by cutting their eyes at you to the side and down. Your nervous system processes this as someone/something is about to attack, a danger. It isn't noticed by someone around you, but you subconsciously take note and become frightened, anxious and can't quite figure out why you are reacting unless you are mindful, observant, or know this is a strategy to control and manipulate you. Covert abuse. That's my interpretation anyway.
Do you mean they keep eye contact and look at you by the side, or they look away at their side?
@@Lucooley1221 ah i got it
@@mentalcat9529 My experience was he would look away to the side so even I wasn't exactly sure why I would suddenly feel threatened. Only being out of the relationship for months, doing a "forensic" remembering of specific situations was I able to finally discern that he would tell me he wanted to go with me some place, sit by me while watching television, take a walk with me, even put his arm around me in a loving way only to then give me the covert, contemptuous, "side eye." I was left feeling confused, with cognitive dissonance, and inexplicably anxious and fearful-- all my imagination, except it wasn't. Good luck. I hope this helps. Dr. Ramani's videos are invaluable.
Me and my brows are deeply offended by this
Me and my eyebrows thought this was funny.
My eyebrows are really thin from over-plucking, I spend time in "doing my brows" so I don't look ridiculous. This is fascinating stuff though… I'll always think about it going forward. And remember, eyebrows should be sisters, not twins!
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Ellie Flgr more over hyper focus stereotypes. JMO eternal life Blessings too
Sorry Narc....lol!!
The big smile they get when they got a reaction out of you. Then they point the finger, and blame shift you.
You just said it so correctly.
*chills*
Yes, exactly
BPD here. People used to think that I am on the autism spectrum because I had a tendency to avoid eye contact. Later on I figured that I do this because I do pick up on microexpressions extremely easily and that I mostly did this with my parents, because I couldn`t stand the lack of empathy in their eyes. Now as an adult my abandonment issues and rejection sensitivity are so bad that I can literally feel my heart sink when I see the slightes hint of disappointment towards me in my mothers eyes. I can literally spot a narcissist a mile away now and one of my biggest fears is that one day I might find out that I´m a narcissist myself and that the few good things I beliefe about myself are just a lie.
If you're concerned that you may be a narcissist, then trust me, you aren't one. Going by my personal experience, narcissists don't tend to recognize narcissistic traits within themselves, and if they do, they brush them off as "unimportant" or "irrelevant." Self-exploration is not high on a narcissist's "to-do" list. Having been raised by (and still, unfortunately, having to live with) a narcissistic mother has left me with some narcissistic tendencies or traits, as part of the overall conditioning process, but these have more to do with the influence on my personality rather than having anything to do with the real "me." I've never had kids, and part of the reason is because on some level I was aware of this destructive conditioning and didn't want to do to my child the same things my mother did to me. But I've grown to recognize that having the awareness of these tendencies is more than enough to curb their expression. The main thing to realize about narcissism is that it's largely unconscious. The more conscious you are, which it is clear that you are, the more self-aware one is, the less likely one is to exhibit narcisisstic behavior. Just my take on it. :) Even though you present as BPD rather than on the spectrum, you might find Dr. Ramani's video on the difference between narcissism and autism helpful in recognizing how certain traits that seem to masquerade as narcisism aren't truly narcissistic. Best of luck to you on your personal journey!
Hi buddy, first of all, that sounds awful, I'm sorry you had to go through that, 😢 that sucks. Second, the fact that you worry about being one makes me pretty confident you're not, 😊 You're feelings are valid, even when you are praising yourself. Narcissists don't tend to introspect like that. Do you treat people with kindness when you can? Do you do your best to admit when you're wrong and correct your mistakes? Narcissistic people usually CAN'T do those things, not really. They may make it look good, but the intent isn't there. So recognize your intent, and if it's for the betterment of yourself and others, awesome! If it's just doing what you can to survive, great! If it's putting other people down for own benefit and ego, weeeeelllll, then we may need to talk, lol. I don't think it's something you have to worry about my friend, you do you, that's enough, ❤
God bless you.
I avoided eye contact too, I still do, but as my confidence builds I can hold better. Xox
@@glimmerofhope3074I'm glad I read your comment first, it saved me the time I was going to spend pointing out the same thing...that a narcissist wouldn't self reflect in such a way that would accept accountability or flaws, they would just project blame! The very fact that he's worried about it says he isn't a narcissist!
Dead cold eyes and the smirk
My ex, would never look me in the eye.
I'm 2 years out
Still have ptsd.
Ive found wonderful PTSD recovery information from youtube.com's
Anne Runkle or the Crappy Childhood Fairy. Brilliant ideas for retraining and reshaping our minds for a healthier spirituality.
Yep
I’m going on 3.... I’m finally getting better but don’t trust and probably won’t ever again. Hope you are ok now. I was tricked into another relationship with another one about a year ago it was worse than first. I thought I studied and had it figured out but this one was good. I had to premted I didn’t like my cats like I’d be super bored or brush them off and look annoyed just so he wouldn’t know I cared about them. That’s flip in messed up. He is gone now and light is finally showing. I never knew they existed so the whole experience was good to learn about these types. Although the eyebrow thing I don’t agree with?
But be carful because they spot you out especially after you were a victim
Oh, how I hate "the smirk."
I think dealing with all the gaslighting is more exhausting then anything.
I've dealt with that for yrs its very tiring indeed.
" i love you" no, you dont
Gaslighting feels like your stuck in the twilight zone. ... like a type of twisted covert hell and the narc uses Gaslighting to try to make you believe they didn't Gaslight..... 🤢🤮🤯
1000%, I wrote a poem(actually a few) about my narcissistic X...soundcloud.com/user-489321636/gaslightqueen
Exasperating, infuriating!
I LOVE all of Dr. Ramani's facial expressions. She's very demonstrative. (-:
She is really
So true! I love that about her too 😍
Too much drama
@@alibertylover It is her temperament.
@@alibertylover Eye rolling. (ASD - aversion to eye contact & find eye rolling weird).
I'm blown away by the number of comments about narc mums. I feel like I've needed you all my whole life! I grew up in a smaller town, in an environment full of enablers, and was the target of my mum's insecurities. I left at 18, and, at 34, am still processing the impact that she's had on my attachment style and interpersonal relationships, and of course my inner voice. Anyway I honestly didn't realise how common it was and how many people out there have had experiences with their mums like this. May we all find peace in our lives 🙏😊
I’m happy you got away! i also left at 18 🎉 hoping for your healing ❤
I have a narc mum. It’s affected every aspect of my life and me but I’m learning how to protect myself. God bless you 🙏💕
Me too. For years I thought I was the only one who had a mother who was nuts. It was comforting to find out that I am not alone.
Same😢
Yes, I had a narcissist mom who made my life hell.
Immediately runs to shave eyebrows off to avoid being a narcissist
And painting Everyday different brows.........
Same xD!!! I have thick eye brows. And I maintain them or else they'd look like caterpillars on my face xD
Lol 😆 Perfect!!
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In my experience people who shave them off purposefully and draw them on surprise are always CRAZY
I would've thought it was either the mouth: the gross little self satisfied smirk or the eyes: dead or scary intense
My husband does the furrowed eyebrow death glare. 😡
Their eyes give them away in my opinion.
yes
Eyes and mouth to me too.
Dead eyes for sure, or empty eyes. Looking into my exes eyes was like looking into nothing. it was really creepy. I could just tell there was no emotion, nobody present inside. But he did have some intense brows going on too haha. And that damn smirking. Just thinking about it makes me want to punch him Imao
Aesthetician: what would you like today?
my ex: "Gimmie your cheapest set of Narcbrows, and step on it sugarlips!"
**no tip**
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Sounds like my ex except they tip for clout sometimes
LOL haha, thank you
Uh...it's a bad idea to return to the same esthetician for waxing when you didn't tip last time.
Do I need to say why?
Jajaja 🤣🤣🤣
My mom's a narcissist but her eyebrows are thinning and she tries to draw them on. I don't think judging people by genetic appearance is a good way to tell if someone's a narcissist...😂
It’s not by genetics- she explains it’s about grooming. And yeah… medical/aging exceptions are usually obvious
Ramani says that narcs spend more time grooming brows, so your mother seems to fit?
I would say dont base judgment off one thing but several different things. My mom was like that too I think hers eventually were tattoos.
You’ve never seen someone use a sharpie to draw their eyebrows on…or tattoos.
She's really into it. 🤨
What's the deal with narcissist's eyebrows? - Jerry Seinfeld
*Kramer kicks open the door and performs narcissist's eyebrow maneuvers*
Good one!
*George is wearing false eyebrows and Elaine hates them*
Haha perfect!!
NEWMAN!!!!!!!!
Can you do a video on the narcissistic smirk? I read that that's another good way to tell if somebody may be narcissistic or just evil.
Based on the thing I was married to, I would say that smirk is psychopathic but I would love to hear Dr. Romney's take on it
I had a friend who never laughed with me over jokes. She would smirk. Friends No More after she abused an elderly woman.
@@freerangeboogie7293 omg.
Like Bill Gates, that guys got a constant narc smirk
I believe she’s done a video on the smirk already. Scroll through her videos.
This made me laugh so hard. My ex used to say “look at my eyebrows, aren’t they perfect?!”
Omg, mine too!!! 😱
That is funny 😄
sounds kind of like me lol I love my eyebrows, but I don't spend much time on them. I am not a narc though, I promise 😅
It’s so good when you can laugh versus cry. I laughed out loud last night watching how all of a sudden something drastic happens when you’re trying to get a point out to the narc and it’s probably taking us a long time. All of a sudden there is an itch, or a sharp pain, or an urgent call they have to make. I laughed cause mine saw a bird out the window and this had to be the rarest bird ever one of a kind never to be seen again, bird. 🤔🥺😩What the world!
@@LEM19284 they’re a a special type of bird themselves hahaha. I’m so glad I’m rid of mine. 🥲
it’s actually spot on! i know someone who is very particular about grooming her eyebrows and is a full blown narcissist. it’s good to know the connection.
Seriously, don't be gullible...
@@carolemmett9385 preoccupation with perfect eyebrows fits in with the trait of narcs who are OTP concerned with their appearance, spending thousands on cosmetics and beauty treatments.
I’d turn to look at my mother, my whole childhood, to see her glaring at me. I mean…full on glare; eyes squinted with that ‘disgust’ mouth. I’d quickly look away. My little brother, however, would glare back in an exaggerated way. He was brain-damaged from a severe head-injury, yet he’d glare back at her, as in a parody. That memory lifts me up.
You poor thing. Sending you a virtual mom hug. 😘
@@BreeMorgan43 thank you. 💜
I’m familiar with that glare.
Im so sorry to hear she did that to you but i def chuckled just imagining your brother glaring back at her XD like damn the one person with no filter in the room is showing you exactly how everyone else feels. Im sure it gave you a little sense of revenge when you saw him doing it
Maybe it’s something wrong w you not your Mother .
What this made me think of is how cartoons use eyebrows to depict what people are thinking and sometimes how good or evil they are. I wonder how much this mattered.
Interesting idea
The same was my thought
if the study was done scientifically with a good cross section of ages; most women over 50 would have said .....I dont know what a narc is; but I am betting my ass he is gay. many people think narcs are just arrogant self centered people. There was nothing scientific about this study from my research of it.
I grew mine back in after years of plucking and use one of the brow gel fillers and am very happy I did and I’m not one of the mentals. I was so glad I stopped hours of pain of plucking. Best decision last year.
Maybe the extreme cosmetic eyebrows make people more vain but I have no cosmetic surgery or fillers in my face and am glad I restored mine.
I work in the beauty industry and literally everyone is getting thick eyebrows because it’s what’s currently popular. Different looks and thickness are popular in different years. I think it’s the soulless state that a narcissist has. It’s unnerving and frightening. I wouldn’t take this eyebrow theory very seriously. And I totally value your work.
I am an esthetician too. I use an eyebrow pencil and wax my eyebrows, but I am not a narcissist. Lots of my clients who wax their eyebrows are not narcissists, I have just talked them into it. I am especially enthusiastic about ridding guys of their unibrow. I bring it up when we are in the back where no one can see them submitting to this girly grooming technique in the shampoo bowl. It's never their idea. Never.
@@HisWordisLife4U why would you ever talk someone into waxing their eyebrows? Especially men.
If someone doesn't come to you first then it's none of your business if you think they should be waxed or not..
@@evamz9584 Clients. Ask my advice every day about appearance. It's my job. Duh.
@@HisWordisLife4Uim not talking about the clients that ask your advice.
It is not ok for you to "bring it up" and "talk them into it" if its "never their idea".
Are you serious?
@@evamz9584 Being dumb and argumentative is a bad combo, you might want to switch it up. LOL
It’s the smirk for me…..like they are fantasising about the harm they have caused or about to cause me.
But I have to shape and groom my eyebrows almost daily to every other day or I look like Bert from Sesame Street. I promise it's not a narc thing. It's a uni-brow thing 😭
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😆
I need to pluck every couple of days, because even though my brows are thinning, I get hairs growing way outside my desired brow line.
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How, cute.
My mother was a flaming narcissist. Yes, it’s all about the eyebrows. She shaved hers off and she would draw them on everyday with a VERY HIGH arch. She was obsessed with Joan Crawford. She also could not get enough of Mommy Dearest. This is very interesting.
Oh wow the whole Mommy Dearest thing hits me hard. My mom thought it was so funny that her family compared her to Mommy Dearest and Nurse Ratchet from the Movie One Flew Over the Cookoo Nest. For me it was horrifying because I lived it in real life. My mom did the same exact thing with her eyebrows too
damn, I googled Joan Crawford. omg.
@@LightBeing369 OMG ! This girl (31) Narc, would spend hours Hours on her eyebrows !!
Was she around for botox?
Mine would do the same! She was extremely expressive once those arches were on
This kind of seems like a catch 22 for women particularly. On one hand, you’re expected to put effort into your appearance. For example, more groomed eyebrows on women are seen as more “professional.” On the other hand, if you put in the effort, you’re seen as narcissistic? Seems like you’ll be judged negatively by your appearance either way. Not to say that vanity isn’t correlated with grandiose narcissism at all, but I think social context, degree, and intent are some relevant factors, so people shouldn’t be judged at face value (lol). Also, some ethnicities have naturally denser eyebrows, so this kind of bias seems *potentially* concerning.
@Keen Dietrich ummm.. A little pretentious to speak for all men or women. You speak as if you have some sort of exclusive knowledge or insight no one else could possibly have. That's creepy and scary.
@Keen Dietrich u sound so creepy and what u said has nothing to do either with the video or the comment
There is some interesting insight to what you are saying. I have seen overweight and unattractive women be narrassitic also. In general, I think it gets down to people that are self indulgence or arrogant about their regard whether it takes from vanity or other means of attention.
Most indian women have very thick eyebrows so they are all in a habit of grooming them every 2 weeks.. so basically they visit a beauty salon and get them shaped.
In India even the labour class women get their eyebrows done by professionals. It’s a matter of necessity here unlike vanity like nail extensions and so on.
Now it’s also possible for everyone coz every salon here has at least 5 beauticians who are trained in this job so women of all social strata can afford that in a salon that suits their pocket.
If you looked at the process, it’s quite painful and time consuming to some degree.. considering traveling to the salon and waiting for your turn and paying for it..
Besides we indians are genetically dark haired women so well shaped and prominent eyebrows are a common sight here.
I completely agree with your comment. In my opinion...The only healthy way of healing from narcissism is to not be obsessed by them or their kinds.. we don’t have to spot narcissists as quickly as we see them. Diagnosing personality or mental disorders on the basis of facial features is a very dangerous territory, the very stereotypical attitude is unethical.
That way we might just end up avoiding and ostracising a lot of innocent people.
The only way to identify narcs is through a fair amount of experience with them.
Make-up itself is a deceit.
Every horrible person in my life with narc tendencies have had normal eyebrows. Not too thick, not overgroomed. Just regular eyebrows. This includes family members, and partners. I have somewhat distinct eyebrows but I don't do much to them. It's more of my ethnicity.
Then it’s you. J
k!😂
Yep if everyone else is the problem, you’re the common denominator 😂
This is interesting, but I'm rather skeptical, and I don't think people should let this influence whether they think a certain person is a narcissist or not.
Agree, it's dangerous to walk this line, we are all very impressionable and get carried away very easily (see, I don't say people are... I put myself in there too). I think is best for us mere mortals to leave preliminary studies alone and just focus on what's been scientifically proven.
Amy Jeane She’s just pulling our legs, this is the most ridiculous study ever, if it’s even real!
I had a very long and close relationship with a narc, and was always unsettled by their eyebrows -- I now understand that it's what I WAS READING in their eyebrows that was unsettling. They can be any kind of eyebrows. This study is being very misunderstood in conclusions; the data (to me) points that eyebrows can telegraph emotions, and the more distinct the eyebrows, the louder the message.
I mean if someone genuinely thinks someone is a narcissist based off their eyebrows they're not exactly doing great in the object permanence department either.
I like my eyebrows. lol
Eyebrows is fashion. I have thick eyebrows as I am Persian descent, this doesn't make me narcissist
Agreed! I have my grandma's prominent brows (though they are sparsely haired). Grandma was as far away from a narcissist as you can get. I have self-esteem issues; so, I am not a narc, either. ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
true but if they become your identity, your pride and joy. it might mean you have narcissistic tendencies.. as this fashion and beauty obsessed culture has nowadays.
Maybe it does...Afterall the experts said so!
@@Lincorn1 there are different categories of narcissism and vanity doesn’t hurt anybody
Yes i had them but whn a child i started pickin them a habit i have til this day n i have bruised the skin so i kinda have to cover it now i hate that i did it but i do have a narc dad etc
Every time I would stumble or get my hair on something or do something clumsy my husband would give me what I called the death look. When I left him and I was walking with other people and stumbled they looked back and were concerned. It was such a nice feeling to know that I wasn't a bad person for stumbling and that normal people would actually care enough to make sure I was okay.
Holy moly. Makes me appreciate my sweet, compassionate husband. So sorry you had to go through that. I couldn't imagine being shamed like that by someone who's supposed to love and accept you most.
Omgosh that’s f’d up.
I can relate so much with this comment.
My husband does this with our daughter, she's 6. And now she's afraid of telling us when she's hurt
@@laceysaije8371 well that's a gigantic red flag with a siren attached. You might wanna do something about that so she doesn't have issues for life
It just dawned on me that narcissists eat your feelings. I had the privilege to go to a 21 day intensive therapy DBT program. A requirement was daily writings about how you feel. I did not know how I felt and needed a list of feelings to pick from. That's what narc abuse does...I didn't even know how I felt.
Can relate. Have a hard time with feeling the feelings and even knowing what I want. Small and large decisions leave me so insecure
You right, they stealing your earth elemental spirit which in turn makes you ill and lower in consciousness states
I wish I could go do that..... How did you choose a program?
I needed a list too. My therapist gave me one. It was eye-opening. I can see the same trait in my siblings. Now I am better at knowing my feelings, but not at expressing them.
My narc ex didn't have perfect eyebrows but had a weird obsession of judging everyone's else eyebrows including mine. Finding out this studies gave me goosebumps and makes me believe there is a link between eyebrows and narcissism.
My sister always comments on my eyebrows!
I wonder if it's not so much the eyebrows but the muscles that are flexed that give it the "narc look", like when she was talking about facial expressions, I wonder if "narcissistic eyebrows" are actually a certain muscle that looks more enhanced because the expression is practiced often by that person, like feelings of anger, resentment, disgust, etc. And like all muscles the more it's used the more toned or enhanced it looks - giving people more enhanced or sharp / whatever narc traits look like eyebrows. Almost like when you can tell when someone looks tense or angry, you can almost tell when someone is often in that mood as a default because their facial muscles have been conditioned that way.
@@ata_telesia I think it’s a lot to do with the intense obsession with overall appearance ❤️🙏🏻
@@AshleyCummingsYoga ahhhh yes that makes sense also🙂♥️
@@ata_telesia “everything external perfect”
This may be the first video from Dr. Ramani that I’m having a hard time getting behind. I’m glad she had some qualifying statements as the video went on. Specifically what she said about correlation rather than causation, because I really think that is what this is. Also, probably more about the viewers’ perceptions than the subjects’ eyebrows. I’d be interested in reading the study. I wonder if they also asked the subjects if they like cake, because I bet a lot of them do. Does that mean liking cake is an indicator of narcissism as well? I think not.
Bruh I do agree with u,,,
Like srslyy ramaniii,,, thts a facial feature laike??
Yep, agreed. This is not just the first video of Dr. Ramani that I've "disliked" but the first video ever that I've "disliked." Disappointed.
I'm glad you said it. I think it was irresponsible, it's not just about reporting on a study. She doesn't remain entirely clear about whether the eyebrows were actually linked to higher narcissism or just people's PERCEPTION of them being narcissistic. Those points become conflated in the video. And no critique, cultural bias and limitations were noted, other than ' I don't want you to go greyrocking everyone with such eyebrows.' I know narcissism videos get a lot of hits, but this sounds weirdly click-baity . ' Here's how you can figure out who's a narcissist!' For me, and clearly for several others who commented, that connotation is present.
@@redherringg She said this is just one study and that more studies need to be done. She just thought it was an interesting study. Also, I'd like to point out she never did say how many participants in the study there were, that sort of matters to.
2:50 - the descriptor used is " distinctive, dense eyebrows " - I think we have a correlation-causation hiccup, in my opinion. I think it's easier to detect the narcissist's malevolent emotions IF that narc has distinct AND/OR dense eyebrows because those eyebrows are highlighted (in a way) to display the emotions " louder " to people. Very thin, manicured eyebrows, or very dark eyebrows, may BETRAY the micro-emotions that have worked their way into muscle memory, from frequent feelings/displays of contempt, superiority, etc.
tl:dr it's easier to "tell" someone is a Narcissist if their eyebrows are more distinct, because it amplifies the eyebrow's social messages.
My NPD ex had bushy eyebrows and did not take care of them. So I’m not sure how accurate this study actually is.
Maybe he was a covert narc.
This study is geared more towards female grandiose narcissists. I believe its different for males. I read another article about narcissistic brows in general, they are said to be full and their most distinctive feature. My ex also had full bushy eyebrows. Though he didn't truly shape or arch them he did remove unibrow, stray, and overgrown hair.
This sort of thing can’t possible be very accurate, of at all. To figure out is someone is a narcissist, best way is to observe the red flags they give off, not pretend that eyebrows actually make a difference in someone having a personality disorder or not 🙄
I don't think facial features have anything with personality or disorders to do, it's most likely coincidence. Society also rewards attractive people and often punishes people with physical flaws so it's not weird that people are vain
The study I read included bushy eyebrows as distinctive. The grooming was only part of it. Sounds like he fits the profile.
Okay Dr. Ramini let me throw this one out for you. I was married to my male narcissist for over 32 years before he kicked me to the curb only after destroying me mentally, physically, financially, etc. I didn't even know what a narcissist was until I found you and you have helped me regain some mental clarity. When we were dating, he enlisted me to trim his very thick eyebrows, which creeped me out but I complied. Guess that was just the beginning of my nightmare. He was always meticulously groomed and I was shocked when I saw the mention of the eyebrows. How indicative of a narcissist and more than likely psychopath in his case. It was a spam of time where I honestly didn't know if I would even survive. Thank you for all you do to help us tortured souls recover. ♥️🙏♥️
30 years married, and 10 years together before that. I am in the being thrown to the curb process. It is destroying me. I am leaning heavily on a few friends who are holding me up and keeping me moving forward.
I grew up with a narcissistic mother who often flew into frequent rages and ruled the household. I became a perfect narcissistic supply who was also attractive. Quite a few narcissists came into my life and latched onto me. They are all unattractive and do not have the well-groomed brows. What they all do have is the swagger and erect posture of a very confident person, like they own the ground they walk on. They are plain but can judge other’s looks harshly (especially weight), and have to be with attractive people who have lots of things going for them. They have to have the best.
I never really understood the harsh criticism of people's weight, even judging kids, while often being overweight themselves
@Thubie Tubie Narcs don’t make sense. They have certain ideas about something like weight and reacts strongly. My ex-bf loudly said, “They shouldn’t have that ice cream.” when overweight people walked past us with ice cream cones. He always looks exaggeratedly disgusted when he sees overweight people.
That’s so true!!!
This is so true. I have noticed this. They tend to criticize others looks a lot. If you watch a movie with a narcissist be prepared for the constant critique of the way the actors look. It's the tiniest, stupidest things too. Ex. Their eyes are too close together, etc.
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Dr. Ramani, why no photos/illustrations of the "narcisstic eyebrow"?? That would have made this video much more educational.
Nah bro, if you know..you know, like... you really know what she’s talking about here
Agreed.
I was hoping for pictures, but I think it is more complex than that. Lots of people do their eyebrows as routine, but I think they can revert to type over the course of the day and it is noticing the underlying, true eyebrow that matters. So, a freshly made up face may be deceptive but a middle of the day face, more realistic. I think it is right not to include pictures because they are only a snapshot. We observe a lot more than we can explain, maybe those eyebrows are able to evoke a gut reaction, but only when the owner is occupued and we can see their truth.
@@VivienBowling it might be a copyright issue, too. They'd have to have permission to show the photos
Sounds like you are askin for a picture book lol. Her explanation is enough for me.
Maybe though, they had thick eye brows as a female and got made fun of and so she spends time making sure that they are well groomed so that doesn't happen anymore. That doesn't make her a narcissist.
I think the theory is more that narcissists = more likely to have dark, full eyebrows. Not that having nice eyebrows = narcissism. My ex girlfriend was a lunatic with the worst case of NPD maybe on the planet and she had beautiful dark eyebrows. So maybe she’s right
Or like me, have alopecia and get microblading down. And as some pointed out, some ethnic groups have thicker brows and groom them to be more professional. Also seems to be an automatic bias against women who want to feel/be more attractive, for a variety of reasons.
I’ve always had dark thick eyebrows (I need to wax them) I’m definitely not a narc... so hope no one is judging me! 🤓
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True! I had really dense eyebrows as a kid and got made fun of bcz my hair was lighter than my brows and silly boys made comments (now that is a good thing to have darker eyebrows) but back then I felt self conscious so I started bleaching my eyebrows!!! so ridiculous what kids do to each other. but I wasn't a narc obsessing over my eyebrows ~ ~
I think what the study actually is finding, is that " DISTINCT " eyebrows (thin, or dark, or dense, a type of eyebrow that is attention-grabbing) make identifying narcissism in the subject easier, because eyebrows can express their hidden emotions well, and they're amplifying the eyebrow's body language by making them more " DISTINCT " or out of the ordinary, more dominant on the face.
Everyone that has beautiful eyebrows is not a narcissist lol 😂
That’s what a narcissist would say! 😮
@@briananderson6758 right
@@seattleraisedme I’m just joking 🙃
lol Of course not. I think the point was that narcissists like to be pretty. Great eyebrows are a great way to accomplish this.
Dr Ramani has explained that not everyone with distinctive eyebrows is a Narcissist.
Would be good if we had a picture of those eyebrows while you talked about them
Yes, I thought the same.
Yeah, I couldn't follow this and still have no idea what she's talking about.
You just know.. you don't need a picture.. belive me 😊
Right? Which eyebrows?
@@chaoswitch1974 I hope it's the ones above the eyes.
What if you're born with naturally "perfect" eyebrows -- no grooming needed? I'm just thinking it's dangerous to form prejudices against anyone based upon their appearance. Some of the kindest, most empathetic people I know happen to be the most physically beautiful.
True....You can lump them all into one category over eyebrows, but when their spending a lot of money in the salon for perfect eyebrows....Welp this is definitely a sign.
Dr. Ramani isn't saying it is an absolute she is just presenting some interesting research. Caring a lot about your appearance doesn't make you a narcissist though.
Why is it dangerous to form prejudices based on eyebrows??? Lol
Watch the entire video. She talks about this.
@@2LittleSticks not really
For everyone getting defensive about their eyebrows, obviously the eyebrows alone aren't gonna be the sole indicator that someone has NPD. It's just an interesting observation that's been made based on a study.
It’s insulting to us that come from backgrounds with thick eyebrows.
I'm fairly certain that the whole point of the study was to say that, in fact, eyebrows alone can inform people as to whether somebody is narcissistic. I don't see it as racial profiling at all, because the key to it was how groomed they are, meaning tweezed, shaped, trimmed. There's a lot that goes into well groomed eyebrows. So much that I've given up on perfect eyebrows. Mine are always good enough and I darken and shape them when I put makeup on. My current narcissistic boyfriend dyes his eyebrows black and they are always perfectly manicured, tweezed, shaped and trimmed. For the first few years in our relationship it was a point of contention for him that my eyebrows were too long. One of my good friends, who I believe is a narcissist, is anti-makeup, but gave me an eyebrow grooming kit with tweezers, wax and colored powder in it. There's something about the eyebrows.
Wouldn't someone a bit narcissistic instantly defend themselves? 😂😂
@@じょじょ-n4b she didn't say thick necessarily, did she? She said, well-maintained
It was a very badly done, unscientific study done in Canada. I looked into it myself because their study caused more pain and anguish in groups trying to heal from narcissistic abuse. If the study had proper scientific controls it would have turned out differently. Ask any woman over a specific age what she thinks about a guy with thick well groomed brows; what they think: the answer would not be narc. There were no scientific controls and participants had no real understanding what a narc is.
My ex narc has very dense eyebrows, and she was always concerned about groming her eyebrows. You nailed it..
how can we judge ppl based on their features? that's just silly....
My boss has me mostly convinced she is one, or very high on the scales of it, and most days she doesn’t even wear makeup, just only does her eyes brows. They’re extremely overdone to make her face more lifted but I always just thought it was funny how she only did her eyebrows and overdid them.
I was doing my eyebrows while listening to this😂
@@Gloriagal78 yeah, I wish people posting about narcs would be a bit more careful and include disclaimers. I’m like, does she know about the massive trend that eyebrows became? Now I’m like, do I need to be purposefully be bad at doing my eyebrows? Lol
The smirk. Especially how it never matches the expression in their eyes.
Like when you have managed to get a forced apology? Ya...
@@suetowler1019 : Wow ! You got an insincere apology !
You did better than me !
@@brooksequine7621 It is like saying SHUT UP! So ...no..
@@suetowler1019 : :(((
Oh the smirk. Don't miss it!
My late husband had naturally beautiful distinctive eyebrows. He was one of the best humans I’ve ever known. Both our grandkids got his eyebrows and I’m very glad.
I'm wondering whether it might have been the muscles underneath their eyebrows,rather than the hairs? One major narcissist I know has never touched her eyebrows.
This person is exploiting a cottage industry
@@pheart2381 Do her eyebrows already look good?
@@pheart2381 I don't think the researchers meant people with naturally beautiful eyebrows. I think the people in the research group looked at the sharpness and symmetry, probably to the extent that they look perfect. It could not be the muscles because remember they transposed the eyebrows onto people who were not narcissistic...and suddenly they were. We need to see the photos ourselves to know
We need to look at the photos ourselves to see what kind of distinction in the eyebrow they saw
Wow, this is so true. I dated a horrible narcissist. He was the only man I knew that would have his eyebrows threaded and would curl his eyelashes to emphasize his features. He meets every narcissist category.
Ewwwww!
As a man I would have to say that any guy who is that granular about his grooming has an issue or two. There's certainly a difference between a guy trimming long eyebrows and going and getting them threaded.
I once read a book by a narcissist. Who actually said he wasn’t even sure how he knows he’s a narcissist, because they usually don’t know it. But he did. He mentioned the “ Cheshire Grin” as in Alice and Wonderland. When they smile, they show bottom teeth in their smiles. My ex had a wall of photographs of Himself only. Lol with famous people. I looked at his wall of photos and had a heart attack. Every single picture where he was smiling, his lower teeth were as visible as his top teeth. I had a chill.
My dad does that too. I always wondered why I saw his smile on other people and why it scared me to the nines. My mom also has such a smile - both of them are not good parents or good people overall.
My ex best friend too, it’s like the smile wasn’t real, they didn’t know how to actually smile
Yes yes yes ...I have been in a few narcissistic relationships and I have found this to be true. For me it wasn't the shape of the eyebrows, it was more how the eyebrows moved when the narcissist began to rage or when they were lovebombing me. There is something sinister and distinctive to me that happens with the brows...also when the narcissist had no interest in what I was saying or wanting to do, the eyebrows moved in a specific way. I've always found myself saying....look at your brows....they are a dead give away. It's soooo true for me
GOT HERE because the girl i used to date had some good or cool expressions with the brows.
Used to LOVE how she reacted with the eyebrows when i said something flirticious or suggestive.
She was VERY expressive with the eyebrows. But when something caught her by surprise, the reaction used to be very fast so i couldnt quite get it.
She has MAANY characteristics of a COVERT NARCISIST.
OMG ! This girl (31) Narc, would spend hours Hours on her eyebrows !!
Nancy Pelosi comes to mind here. Never understood her totally psycho eyebrows til now!
Totally agree
No me it was just the eyes altogether. In a rage their eyes would change color and yes their whole face gets squinted up and always has this look to it
So Bert on Sesame Street was a Narcissist? I always had a bad feeling about him!
ah ha ha! hmmmm... and the grouch on sesame street also.. but he was definately an overt narc.
Ernie is more narc than Bert lmao
These are great comments. They express just how seriously one should take this so-called research!
lol!
That's hilarious🤣🤣🤣
My mom is a narc. She doesn't care about her eyebrows. They are very light too. She doesn"t ever raise her eyebrow.
I've seen some accounts of very light eyebrow narcissists - it might be the near absence of eyebrows is also something that brings attention as well
I thought about this similarly. The narcs I know have invisible/blonde/no care given to them at all.... hmmm
My mom is also a narc and always made sure hers were 'done'. And a lot of makeup before when younger
My mom took great pride in hers and really harshly criticized other female family behind they’re backs for their 2000’ eyebrow style (the thin lines) maybe it’s just coincidence nevertheless we should never diagnose someone on their eyebrows 😂
My flaming narc sister gave absolutely no care to any part of her appearance to the point where she was actually quite hideous in later years (rotten teeth, very heavy, hair thinning to baldness, odd growth on her nose) and wore that as a kind of badge of honor (like "look at me, aren't I gross? Look at me MORE"). She actually looked a bit like Elizabeth Taylor when young so that transformation was hard to watch. I think there must be a type of narc that just doesn't GAF about appearance at all, or uses being unkempt as a weird and twisted kind of aggression toward the world.
My eyebrows are very sparse as I've gotten older (58). I read in a beauty article eyebrows 'age' a person's face as they thin out. I invested in the newest thing; eyebrows stencils with pomade and I use a setting gel. I spend more time on the eyebrows than the rest of my face. I receive many compliments.
I'm not a narcissist. I'm on the other side of the spectrum; an empath. The eyebrow regime gives me more confidence.
Me as well 😊💯
Same here. I don’t change mine with fads, and I like them nicely arched, filled in p, and not too thick or thin, and I’m not a narcissist at all either.
Mouse fur was, allegedly, a thing 😂😂
Yes, for people who have a skin disorder, such as rosacea, which I have, and which causes a loss of eyebrows, (and even eyelashes for some), this is kind of unfair! I would say, a very BIG maybe to that study, here. I have to put/pencil on eyebrows, in order just to look normal. It sucks!
I wonder, how they gathered/invited those participants to the study. After all takes one to know one.
i dont think that eyebrows can make someone narcistic most women like nice eyebrows lol
They don't MAKE someone narcissistic 😂😂 that's not the point here
Despite my thick eyebrows I’m quite invisible in front of my narcissistic family. Their astronomical ego sometimes causes a solar eclipse.
I feel that!
Yes I wonder which culture has more NARCISSISTS in it.
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hahaha...good one!
Your fine. The study is ridiculous. Its encouraging judging people on their appearence.
@@1Skorpia lol, study is not ridiculous. it is about unnaturally modified eyebrows to get a thicker etc. look. it is not about judging people on their natural looks. but more like judging their choices to get a certain look.
My ex is a narcissist. I remember when we first started dating, one time he complained about my lack of care for my eyebrows.
Maybe he didn't like unibrows
@@bhavyashokeen8106 Well, then he shouldn't have asked me out.
I’m a hair dresser and you can tell a lot about people from there eyebrows. Especially mental health. The same goes with how they get there hair done and the style. And yes the narcissist does actually spend more time on themselves getting there hair nails and brows done as well as pedis because they have a need to always look more perfect than the person in-front of them. It’s a one up that only they understand.
As said to you by a cosmetologist who watched a narc salon manager destroy eight women at a time.
@TheUglyTruthWriterOfficial Yeah thinking similar line of thought. Many a neurological issue can make you draw your brows on sideways.
What?!!! Doubtful!!
Wait a minute… I am just high maintenance so I can be low maintenance lol
I get my brows laminated, my lashes done, bleach my hair, get a mani/pedi every month because I don’t have time to do it more often. I don’t believe I’m mentally ill, I’ve never been diagnosed with anything other than postpartum depression/ anxiety.
I’m a mom of young children, I have a public facing job (sort of) so I have to look put together a majority of the time and have very little time to get ready each morning.
My narc ex boyfriend would always correct me in the ways I did my own hair, and he looked at me like wtf are you doing girl 😂 he knew better than me fr
When my narc smiles his eyebrows make him look like a kind person. Inner ends get up high, and outer ends get lower. But his smile is fake and laugh extra loud. I dont think eyebrows a good determining feature. But he had what I call "crocodile eyes". Cold, glassy, scanning envirement for a next prey.
Oh my gosh! The extra loud laugh! My ex narc would, on occasion, do it SO loud that an entire restaurant would hush and people would be looking. At one point he did it at a kid in a musical who messed up his line. The audience had no idea the kid made a mistake, but was laughing at the show...until he laughed so loudly and obnoxiously that the entire theater went quiet.
By the way, the ex knew the kid made a mistake because he was one of the hired musicians for the show. Having gone to the rehearsals is the only reason he knew there was a mistake at all. Yet he thought there was nothing wrong with his behavior even after I pointed out that he probably humiliated the kid.
He used to do that at all the high school shows he was hired for, but that one time was the worst.
Why do I have to think of Meghan Markle's and Julia Robert's laugh here ? When they laugh it creeps me out for some reason.
Did you even watch the video
@Mary Carroll right
I’ve lived through all the eyebrow trends, from the Brook Shields bushy eyebrows of the eighties to the over tweezing in the nineties, but what’s going on now with eyebrows is crazy! When did eyebrows get to be so important? I mean, they’ve always been important for the reasons you stated, in expressing emotion, but the money and time spent on them now is insane. I don’t think it’s coincidental that it happens at a time in history where everyone has the opportunity to put themselves out to so many people via social media. It seems like we have never had such a perfect breeding ground for narcissism like we do now.
Something to really think about
Yea the brow look today is so ugly. Patiently waiting for the bushy brows to come back.
I agree. The thick groomed sculpted exaggerated black eyebrows of today look so silly, especially if they don't correspond to the actual hair colour. I keep mine pretty natural, just pluck the odd stray hair every now and then
That's so true. We're probably around the same age, I'm 46 and I was born, raised and still live in Los Angeles. I went to the mall for the first time in many years to return some items I had purchased online. I left right as they were closing, so driving through the parking lot I saw a lot of different people, but one thing that struck me was how perfect everybody looked to me. Perfect bodies, like they all work out regularly, sharp, clean haircuts, etc. In all my life I'd never seen so many average people walking around looking so good. I guess it's a good thing that so many are health conscious, but I do suspect it's more appearance driven than health and it's directly related to the internet. It was kind of strange.
@@chaoswitch1974 yea they're constantly taking pictures and videos so kids these days feel they have to look "perfect" at all times.
I once had a colleague who was a massage therapist, and at the beginning of Covid lockdowns in the US she started putting out facial massage videos. She did one on eyebrows and she called this area the "difficult emotions" area of the face. We hold a lot of tension in this area that can be tied to challenging and uncomfortable emotions. My hypothesis is that narcissists might be recognizable from their eyebrows because we are picking up on the micro-expressions of their constant internal state of discomfort that come through in their eyebrows.
I agree. Have you ever heard of Paul Eckman? He teaches classes on how to read facial micro expressions and how to pick up on hidden emotions and feelings of others based on watching their face. There are a lot of micro expressions around the brow area. And anger is one of the easiest ones to pick up on.
Perhaps but in this study the pictures were static.
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Absolutely. You are right. I have a narcissistic parent, and those eyebrows are costantly showing disapproval, delusion and anger. I'm so tired and sick about this expression.😠
@@Adam-xs3ng yes, but our brains are generally good at picking up emotions based even on still images. It’s not 100% accuracy, but it is something we can do.
I’m not going to let my eyebrows grow wild to prove I’m not a narcissist 🤣 I live a quiet & peaceful life that does not require validation or attention 😆
I don't think that's what they were referring to. You're not a narcissist because you tweeze here and there. Narcissists coincidentally have Instagram-Brows.
Quietly You Be You!!!
Nice to see you honoring yourself❤️🩹
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I have the unibrow gene (fortunately, the ones in between died with tweezing). I don't bother with much makeup, but I will smarten up my brows. They irritate me if I don't.
~ on the other hand, a narcissist does know they are a narcissist & rarely seek treatment. Sooooo Mmmm maybe you’re one & don’t know it ❓
I started noticing my Narc’s eyebrows based on the title. Yes they are dense. However, it lead me to realize through observation that whenever he is going to say something mean to get a reaction he raises his eyebrows and opens his eyes wide. So now when he does that I know to breath and protect myself. So thank you.
Wow. Mine never did any eyebrow grooming. His eyes were so dead and condescending I never noticed the brow position. And he didn't smirk so much as purse his lips up in disdain like he smelled something bad.
My Narc Dad does this.
I raise my eyebrows and eyes wide open when freaked out.😂
So I love Dr. Ramani. As an esthetician I do people's eyebrows damn near every day. Also I am an empath so I feel energy which of course doesn't eliminate me from narcissist. But my comment would be that women and men these days are into good grooming. While I won't discount the study, people like their eyebrows done. They frame the face and make you more attractive. Not sure how to feel about this one.
How about ridiculous???
@John M you assume I don't understand because I dont agree. Sounds familiar. Self loathing and insecurity, which is my take on a narc, doesn't always coincide with good grooming and self care like a brow and lip wax. Taking care of your outward appearance typically means you feel good about yourself.
@John M
I agree about narc vanity...it is all about appearances. I have unfortunately met a number of narc women and quite a few had plucked eyebrows with them drawn back on in very peculiar positions and in very distinct color contrast to their skin tone. I was aware of it but never really made the connection. I definitely will pay more attention to detail from now on and see if I can notice a difference with narcs elaborating existing brows in any way.
I am an empath and after being screwed over by them for most of my life I have studied up on them and my empathic qualities. I now can spot them within ten minutes of conversations in most instances and have a red flag impression on those that are a little more elusive to me. I enjoy people watching anyway.
I have noticed that too. So I Wonder if this research is not completely up to date.
We need to see the whole study. This is preliminary info. They didn't say anyone who grooms their eyebrows shows narc tendencies, just that *something* about eyebrows can be a cue.
Thick eyebrows, combined with thick shiny hair and clear skin are a universal advantage that could be a breeding ground for narcissism... However, I have found that 'The Smirk' is a 10/10 giveaway... empathetic*/regular people don't smirk when they have an advantage or when they see someone else (even a rival) in pain...
Best comment.
@@Ellana_Galkin what?
Ow shit, just like my narc ex.. i wonder why she and her mother (also a narc) have the same physical features you mentioned
@@globalcitizen2862 😂😂😂
Wow, describing the narc in my life to the T
My mom is a massive narcissist. She's a cosmetologist who focused on hair removal. Her specialty was eyebrows. She called herself "the eyebrow specialist". She had tons of clients. She was really good at it as she is a perfectionist. It's funny how at a young age I started to pull all my eyebrows and eyelashes out because of all the unrelenting horror I had to live in. It must have been hard for her since they see us as an extension of themselves. Not to mention she's the eyebrow specialist and mine were a wreck.
Yet she never offered to fix them, tattoo them, blade them. 🤔 typical narc ma
I'm so sorry for what happened to you. You might have Trichotillomania: Where a person may sometimes pull their hair out in response to a stressful situation, or it may be done without really thinking about it.
@@whathandleUtalkabt That's typical narc male or female though.
I did the same thing!!
@@whathandleUtalkabtshe probably insisted it was due to her daughter's weakness and nothing she did
I have been relying on my eyebrows more these days since I have to wear a f-ing mask at work.
Haha. I can relate i was like i am really not angry. Maybe thats why stress caused my less genuine smile.
I admit to getting Botox in the past - ha
Lol fuckin masks .. it’s like why even do makeup anymore 😩
Yeah, wearing a mask is worth it to me, but I feel like I have to over-emote with my eyes and eyebrows.
You dont HAVE to wear a mask or even worse, what comes next. But u will need to recognize who your enemy truly is. A significant lifestyle change will be necessary(it was a good trap).
Proverbs 29:25
The fear of man lays a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is safe.
Matthew 6:24
No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
Luke 14:33
So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.
Revelation 13:16
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked in the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.
When I told my friend I was pregnant, she gave me maleficent eyebrows. I had only seen her do that a handful of times over the 10 years I knew her, but she definetly was not happy. No contact 8 years now.
Jess,Your lovely smile 😊 can make the news!
We are now in a generation that wants "dense" "thick" brows
....people, especially women, tend to draw on, henna on, or microblade/tattoo their brows--- I would say near 75 percent of my clientele invest in brow enhancement...and spend a good amount of time daily perfecting and accentuating their brows.... due to the intense influence of social media trends and pressure to achieve beauty "standards"
(I am a RMT, energy/alternative therapist, make up artist and esthetician...and I hold a BA in psych...only stating so I have a leg to stand on here)
And what about babies and young children? My daughter's both have thick bushy brows, a signature trait of youth.
I don't know, I think this is flawed. And we need to be careful with what we are telling the general public.
We live in a world of information overload, when we make gross statements and claims with very little empirical evidence, it can cause paranoia and hypersensitivity, resulting in people making trigger judgements or having negative reactions to others (and themselves)
Yes I totally agree. I also feel like this is slightly misogynistic? Women who take care of their eyebrows are narcissistic? That's an awful message.
First of all thank you so much for understanding and supporting being in the industry. It's not lost on me. While I'm aware that there are varying views, I just want to say that I've met amazing people who are in the practice of getting their brows done simply because it necessary. Appreciate you!
@@LBeyMcCrae sweet girl, I appreciate YOU!!! Thanks for sharing your voice and experience.
It's just noteworthy - nobody is saying these eyebrows make you a narc. It's just a sign among many. I think this doc and many others flat out say, you can't tell from a few signs or watching YT video - it has to be diagnosed by a professional and that takes time.
Not to mention, certain ethnicities have thicker eyebrows… I feel like this is headed in an anti-semitism-y direction
This is extremely interesting but I wanted to say this to compliment you on how well you articulate your words to express yourself. Everything you say is captivating and I have been watching your videos for years on narcissism.
This is very interesting Dr Ramani. My sister, a narcissist, has this whole thing about her eyebrows, if she faces a challenging (authentic) situation and does not like it, her saying is "I just give them the eyebrow" and raises one and stares at the "offender". She cannot communicate clearly and prefers to intimidate people. For years I always thought, why don't you just discuss the issue? She and my Mother affected my life traumatically, thankfully I am on the other side now and just turned 50! It takes a long time to comprehend and process all of this, a lifetime actually. I wish my 17 yr old self had known all this! I have given so much of my time and energy trying to understand and support them and their narc behaviour. I feel at peace now after years of their harmful poison. Great video!
@Honey Badger my sister calls it’s the “look” too! 👀. Totally unnecessary.
My Ex narc Husband.. once i asked him what he thought my best feature was. He replied my eyebrows.. i always thought out of everything that was really odd... i have thick brows hate dealing with them but when thy get really bad i do clean them up... just WIERD!!!😶
Emma hugs and support for lifting yourself from the trauma. For me it is a father, mother and sister who were constantly abusive, often in pairs or all three at once, and I finally had to cut off contact with them because the patterns were so ingrained. Family of origin abuse causes permanent damage, I think.
@@Mister_Listener thank you and I wish you all the abundance and healing you deserve. It was exactly the same for me with my parents and siblings, I think Dr R called it "mobbing". We are wise to cut them off.
Now I think far more people are reading about this because of Internet. Narcissists will have to start being good or they will not be able to hide lol.
Going to sound strange but I see a lot of narcissistic people have a constant pursed lip. Almost like a smug pout
Gay men also
Same experience here. Saw this exact phenomenon on a lot of people who turned out as narcissists later. I consider it as a huge red flag. Even when smiling those people were able to make the smile repulsive by having rolled up upper lip too.
I do that when really thinking about things and furrow my brow. Especially problem solving. So, maybe a judgement call? So, i could possibly see that as narcissistic because judging but you never really know what a person is thinking about. Could be from what am i going to eat for lunch or shoot how am i going to get home today or more sinister judgements. But we all do it to a degree. Maybe the internal thinker logic people.
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The thing I remember most about my ex is his cold sneer during our arguments
Micro-expressions of contempt, are the indicators that I've registered with the repeat narcissists in my life.
Maybe you are a narcissist yourself. The kind of narcissist that calls everyone a narcissist but actually is the narcissist herself
@@jamesdean747 ROFL Maybe not...Jimmy Dean!? Authenticity is important to me except with trolls using the name of a famous dead movie star for some cachet....you got a highlight which means someone thrives on this kind of lame inauthentic conflict.
@@deborahcurtis1385 my parents named me after him. Thanx for recognizing his greatness. No i did not get a highlight of this. On the other hand; i did like your reply. Some microexpressions made me smile. Based on your reply i want to marry you. Are you down with that?
@@jamesdean747 was the irony of making this kind of comment not somewhat obvious lmao
I have always had a frown in the middle of my brows. In bright light especially...even when im smiling if im outside im always scowling with my eyebrows. Lol!
So, I am a licensed esthetician, and while I was in school, and and work places I can attest to the fact that people with more groomed my brows were a little bit more on the gossip side. I learned quickly not to share with these women/men just by their actions. Personally, I do keep up on my eyebrows and I know I’m not a narcissist I am in therapy and I have CPTSD. Part of the reason why I left the beauty industry is because of how many people are full of themselves. I was sick of it so now I am back to square one working on my art, and hopefully having that hobby bloom. I am now just a caregiver for my nephew and at least I get discounts for being a licensed esthetician. Also, my closest friends always come to me for skin care advice, and that is a lot of fun and life-giving 😊
As a person with narcissistic tendencies this one has stuck with me. I spend a lot of time grooming, tinting, micro blading and even filling/shaping my brows with makeup.
As a child I had an incident in the second grade with a schoolmate who rudely brought to my attention that I had a unibrow. That day I went home in a panic, begging my mother to help me. We ended up using facial Nair and I ironically got a small rash from the depilatory.
I guess to me the topic brings forth the idea that narcissists may develop more intense grooming routines due to the fact that embarrassment and shame affect them more seriously. I also believe that this leads to the discovery of using grooming and physical appearance for leverage.
Think American Psycho… just a thought! (:
The fact that you self-identify as having narcissistic tendencies suggests you aren't narcissistic.
@@jeremy49988, Is that true?
I'm narcissistic to some degree too and at a point in my life I have stopped caring what people think of me. I realized that everybody is narcissistic in their own way. Some dress up and some take the moral high ground. People who judge others on their flaw is a classic sign of narcissism in itself and guess what, everybody does that. I've come to terms with this flaw and accepted it as a human condition and something not to be proud of nor to be endorsed to and neither something not to be too concerned with at an obsessive level where it becomes your own narcissistic tool. Just acknowledging it as a flaw or a gift to learn something of value from life is enough for me to make peace with it and accept lessons as it comes.
@@sunnieonesotrue5868 Eileen had an upsetting early life experience. The DSM 5 lists 9 criteria of which you have to meet 5. "Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a cluster B personality disorder defined as comprising a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy." That's the summary. A person could put effort into their appearance for various reasons yet genuinely care about and empathize with others. I don't think narcissist are likely to feel guilt. I think entitlement and lack of empathy are the big ones.
@@johngeiger3770 I wouldn't worry about it unless you've been diagnosed by someone with the training to do this
Eyebrows are an inherited feature. Is the hypothesis now that narcissism is inherited? This doesn't make sense to me at all...really... Many women groom.their eyebrows. This is a stretch to me. I find it over the top. And not very credible.
Totally agree.
There is a degree of genetics involved in whether or not you’re a narcissist but upbringing can change or solidify your fate. (Nature v Nurture).
My ex (diagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder with narcissist tendencies) spent an inordinate amount of time on her eyebrows than any other feature.
I find this very interesting.
My maternal relatives are somewhat narcissistic and we all groom our eyebrows too. Perhaps it’s our westernized American culture too. Idk go figure
I love taking care of my eyebrows. I don't do cosmetics, but my eyebrows.....
Agree I got made fun of a lot and made me want to change some things. This study doesn’t look deeper into things whatsoever.
That was the cutest anger expression I've ever seen 🤣
Clearly Dr. Ramani doesn't get angry often
This is alarming; think this through: making an assumption about somebody's character based on a physical characteristic. not for me, thanks
No its a science. Very precise and has absolutely nothing to do about judgment and everything to do about facts. This trait in the face equals this emotion or habit.
I couldn’t finish watching it because it is so inaccurate and bogus. This video makes this so called dr sound nuts.
Yeah this is really bad. Like astrology-level bad. The most it shows is that people tend to 1. stereotype other people according to their looks, and 2. quickly and easily believe really dumb things, especially those dumb things that make them feel smarter.
Especially now, when everyone’s eyebrows are groomed. I keep looking around, to see if I can make sense of this, and I can’t. In order to make sense of it, combine with behavior. Unless it makes sense and can be combined with other actions, I have found that it’s better to leave it. I might go really paranoid if basing my judgement just on modern eyebrows. Or am I really attracted to narcissists in friendships?
Totally agree. Especially as, how many men do we know who groom their eyebrows? Unless, as one older man said on another channel, that if he didn't groom them, he'd look like he's got a badger on over his eyes :D
Interesting! My grandfather was a narcissistic personality, and he had extremely bushy eyebrows. My mother used to say how afraid she was, as a child, of her father's outbursts and how "he only had to raise an eyebrow, and I knew what was up!" He used his eyebrows to terrorize the whole family. Like a secret - or not so secret- code. Just remembered this.
Deep!
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this reminds me of my own mother's eyebrows. if they were so close together as to form a crease in her forehead between them, you needed to get the fuck out of the way!
DJT's eyebrows are a mess n he's a classic example of narcissistic behavior
It wasn't the bushiness, but the grooming. Distinct doesn't necessarily mean bigger.
So wait... isn’t this a bias towards ethnicities who naturally have thick distinctive brows? I could see if you purposefully make your brows attention grabbing, but what if you are middle eastern or Italian and you are born that way? I think this could set a dangerous precedent and needs more study. 🤔🤔
Did you watch the entire video???????
Yes.
Lol Joan Crawford comes to mind!
@@julesadonis3275 I did too and there seemed to be no accounting for ethnicity or for ppl like me, with alopecia, I get tattooed eyebrows and lashes because I have an autoimmune disorder that affects my hair.
If you take it that way, certainly. Or can look at it as a complete fallacy. The way you view something gives it power. I don't think people understand that. That is why i get so upset about persecution of anyone based off of an opinion unless it is my own.
Thank you Doctor! Your energy is a thing of beauty and is giving us all so much clarity 🤩
I think these researches are problematic: You really have to know a person, to tell if the person is a narcissist or not.
So true! You have to learn how they behave and so on.
Yes, I agree. I think there are other, more effective ways of identifying an unsafe person. It’s interesting research, though.
I noticed your eye brows I can see why you would want to say that. haha just kidding :)
@@austinjohnson4890 👿🤣
It’s getting bad they think we’re going to fall for anything. They may have dumbed down a couple generations but not my generation
If people see those with ”special” eye brows as narcissistic, it doesn’t mean they are!
My self proclaimed narc mother never groomed her brows - and for sure she is one...
I think this was somewhat enlightening. People who are into fashion aren’t necessarily narcissists, are they? Well groomed eyebrows are in vogue now. Why is that? Is it because our culture is getting more narcissistic. I won’t dismiss those findings, but I don’t expect to have understood this either.
The narc in my life never once groomed his eye brows. Not once.
@@HisWordisLife4U Men in general don't do much eyebrow grooming. Maybe narcs who don't groom their eyebrows are convinced of their own perfection already.
@@kittyhouse1028 I think they would if there is an extreme problem but they don't know what to do exactly. I don't notice a guys eyebrows unless they have unibrow. Or when they begin to age they start to get crazy long eyebrows that are rouge and out of control. You know the ones where it affects their eyesight? LOL I know guys want to look groomed and nice just like women do but they can usually get away with being way more natural. If you tell a guy what they can do about it, they will. I don't bring it up unless I think it will help them. I bring it up bc I know our culture has a taboo about hetro sexual men doing thing that may be considered "girly" and grooming is not just for girls. Once they know how to get rid of the unibrow, they are eternally grateful for me bringing it up and waxing it off. Every time. If they want to knw how to maintain it in between, I tell them they can tweeze those rogue hairs out, but only from the middle where the smooth part is. I don't know if there is any relationship between eyebrow grooming and narcissism. There are two kinds of narcs one that loves and worships their body and one that completely ignores their body and doesn't identify with it--so maybe the first kind does but the second kind doesn't. :)
@@HisWordisLife4U I'm into genealogy and DNA. Did you know a unibrow is one of the traits tested for by one of the main companies? We are elderly and I always have to trim my husband's few eyebrows cause they grow down and get in his eyes.
I lost most of my eyebrows while very young. I've had to draw in my brows for decades. I hope I haven't made them too distinctive! People laugh at others who use makeup to enhance their brows, but some of us really have to draw them in to look human.
My mom plucked her eyebrows into infinity in her youth. With old age, it became difficult for her to draw them on. she went an had some nice ones tattooed on. they look good.
Hey, you could try eyebrow wigs. It’s a thing and they look very good actually
I'd say just dress yourself up however you like. Judging someone based solely on their eyebrows would be a mistake on the person making the judgement I think. Correlation is just that, if the research is even sound in the first place. Make yourself comfortable first and foremost either way ^^
@@asinglebraincell6584 Yes, but I don´t think she is referring to make a "judgment" solely based on people´s eyebrows. In any case these days would be difficult to spot a narcissist woman ( for certain) based on that since a huge amount of women get their eyebrows painted at a very diva style.
my eyebrows also are barely visible and I have this scar on one of it :( so I had microblading which made my brows look great for some time even without make up. i guess im a narcissist.
I had nice eyebrows before I had cancer. They have grown in about 70% and I do spend some time filling them in with my eyebrow pencil every morning.
That smug narcissist grin so creepy
They talk right in your face. And also they just laugh proudly if they upset people. Or they laugh if they disrespect people.
Sneer.
It's a shit eating one sided grin for me you know they planning something
Unless you know them well they just look happy.
It’s the direct mocking laughter for me
This subject was quite thought provoking. I wish some of the pictures in the study could have been included to better clarify by actual example. Great video as always! You are one of my favorite channels, and always helpful and informative. Thank you!
Exactly. An actual example rather than someone describing things they observe and that merely make them uncomfortable
I agree - I need to see the faces in the study. 🙂
Without pictures I have no idea what she is talking about. Dr. Ramani has very nicely shaped eyebrows BTW. Spends a lot of time shaping her eyebrows? Are her real eyebrows thick?
Except that groomed and drawn on eyebrows are now extremely fashionable....and this is practiced mostly by women. I would advise against making psychological judgement based on physical features as this is problematic on multiple levels.
I wonder if one could say that the fashionable obsession with the eyebrows is merely a symptom of an undeniably narcissistic-enabling society in which we live?
My mother is a narcissist and always raved about my eyebrows "Your eyebrows are perfect!" So then I started paying attention to them...now I'm going to look like a narcissist to others? Great.
Looks can be deceiving ;)
Same 😢
The eyebrows? possibly, their fake laugh? more than likely.
Most my GFs and now my N of 20 years all Ns and they all used the eyebrows as part of the scowl or disapproval. Of course I didn't know anything about this until being nearly pushed into self harm now I try to understand as much as I can. At this point, I sometimes see random pictures of women on the internet and my hackles go up.... It's def their eyebrows and how they use them. I think many times they may be uneven or they accentuate one more than the other to drill in with their stare.
OK, I wouldn’t go so far as to look closely at people’s eyebrows in order to detect narcissism.
To me it seems a bit silly, but I think Dr. R has a good point still. The eyes are a very expresive part of the face, and she cites research in her video. Of course, to draw conclusions ("narcissitic eyebrows" being a thing, I mean), is up to the individual to decide! I think it's an interesting observation! I have images of my parents darting eyes and constant eye-rolls and other things seared into my brain, so I can relate personally to what she is saying.
You just have to look...
Same. One of the nicest and funniest people I ever met has super dense/expressive eyebrows. It is a very interesting study though... and good tips 🙏
@@SSJ0016 I first saw the emotionally dead eyes 10 yrs after I met her. If it was only the eyebrows, it could have taken longer.
It’s ridiculous
So the young, shy, and absolutely lovely and sweet Middle Eastern cashier at the grocery store is a hidden narcissist because her thick and dark eyebrows are meticulously groomed?
r/suspiciouslyspecific You should ask her out though.
@@bepplersauce 😆 She's not my type. She does have the most fabulously on point eyebrows, though. 🤣
@@user-uj6sc7ls9y please report this nonsense video to youtube.
@DoctorRamani I've been following your videos and have even seen you on some crime documentaries. I admire your work and it has been a comfort to me. My aunt is a NPD and she helped her little sister [my mom] to an early grave. My aunt was so solicitous of me to the point she tried to get custody of me and drive a wedge between mom and me. Not sure you call it a biometric, but you are spot on in regard to the strong brow/eyebrows. In ancient pix of my aunt, she had distinctive brows, while my mom had noticeably faint ones. I believe your correlation of good looks to NPD, though it does present a chicken/egg problem. When s friend and her husband started the process to adopt a baby, the social worker asked if they had a preference of gender or ethnicity. My friends said, "not at all, though we would prefer a pretty baby since life if much easier when one has good looks. Truer words have never been spoken lol- although too good-looking presents its own problems smh.
Wow that’s fascinating. My family actually noticed years ago that you can almost always tell who the villain of a movie is based on their eyebrows. I bet people have picked up on that subtly unconsciously and its made its way into archetypes.
Looking into the comments section & Seeing a lot of comments that sound very narc themselves
I love watching Doctor Ramani but this vid is taking a path to no good
uh oh. like maybe they are learning. A narc i knew kept insisting i was the narcissist when i finally discovered the term for it and could put a name to all the abuse of my parents. Now we need to learn to not become the shadows we stare at. To point fingers is easy. To point a finger towards ourselves isn't. I suspect he was a narc.
This video barely scratches the surface on the significance of brows being an indicator. The main thing is how they are USED! I have been saying this for 20 years and it is amazing to finally see a video using eyebrows as an indicator. Thank you!
I suspect that the way they are used is a bigger factor than the way they are shaped. Dr. Ramani's brows look like they are highly groomed to me. Are they very thick in their natural state? Should we be worried about the doctor being a narcissist?
My ex husband did not have noticeable eyebrows. While I will
never know for certain if he is a narcissist, as I left in an effort to save mine and my children’s lives. I will say this though: when he was angry and I believe to be a malignant narcissist, his eyes would turn the darkest, deepest black you have ever seen. It was haunting. And terrifying.
Thank you Dr. R for yet another insightful video. You help so many of us.
Demon took over that's why his eyes where pitch black and haunting.
This is so true you can See the Devil in the eyes
The black eyes is a well known sign of a sociopath. I dated two people like that before, and also believe its demonic.
Garbage study, garbage conclusion.
I think what the study actually is finding, is that " DISTINCT " eyebrows (thin, or dark, or dense, a type of eyebrow that is attention-grabbing) make identifying narcissism in the subject easier, because eyebrows can express their hidden emotions well, and they're amplifying the eyebrow's body language by making them more " DISTINCT " or out of the ordinary, more dominant on the face.
@@evitaietavir2096 Distinctness was something they said towards the end of the study, that someone cannot control. The study was more focused on grooming and adornment of the eyebrows. I'm sure that they're right in that participants could use the eyebrows to find the narcissists, in Toronto and online. I'm 100% sure, though, that they're wrong in thinking adornment and grooming are THE reasons. They've only just scratched the surface, in my opinion.
www2.psych.utoronto.ca/users/rule/pubs/2019/Giacomin2019.pdf
@@user-uj6sc7ls9y Thank you so much for the full study! I agree that their speculations aren't something I agree with, but I do think they couch them as speculation appropriately. They do specify that of distinctiveness, grooming and femininity, only distinctiveness was correctly linking the eyebrows to the narcissists. Also in the Limitations section of the study, they wrote:
"Although the mean accuracy levels indicated modest effect
sizes, their small magnitudes likely stem from the very narrow scope of the physical and visual real estate upon which the judgments rest. Yet, it is impressive that we could nevertheless isolate a facial characteristic related to narcissistic grandiosity (i.e., the eyebrows) and, crucially, show that people can identify and use this cue to evaluate others’ narcissism."
I don't think people have good standing to be so upset about the weak conclusions. Their language is very conditional: " Future
research should determine whether the brows’ role in narcissism perception arises from adornment. Indeed, further investigation might also elucidate the brows’ broader role in
person perception."
I also think it's kind of multifaceted because if one did groom their eyebrows to be more distinct it would just up the "distinct" stat, so to speak. If the conclusion were drawn that Narcs intentionally make their eyebrows more distinct, it wouldn't affect the data results, which say *something about distinct eyebrows helps strangers identify Narcissism CORRECTLY*
@@evitaietavir2096 do you mean that indirectly, in this study, narcissists without distinct eyebrows would easily go unnoticed because they're not as easy to read, but they're still a narcissist?
Joan Crawford immediately came to mind.
Yes
Its believed she was a borderline
🤣🤣🤣 right!?
She was a classic narcissist from what i have heard
I'm learning....is borderline same as NARCISSIST/PSYCHOPATH/sociopath?
Blessings
Thank you for making this video! My bio parents are both narcissistic and your videos combined with counseling have been my road to recovery.
I love that you teach and cite research; it’s my window to the psychological world!
One of the things I have noticed in beauty and make up is that there is this obsession over eyebrows. (I'm not sure if it is applicable to men, but for women definitely.) I remember as an older teenager in the 90's that there was this practice where people plucked hair out of their eyebrows to make them appear thinner, but more recently there is a trend to make them bigger and to draw attention to them with make up. I've never really liked either practice, but the more recent trend to accentuate the appearance of them makes me cringe more than the 90's trend. It seems to make the person who does it appear meaner - I don't know if there is a correlation between heavily made up eyebrows and narcissism, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was because of the repulse I get from it.
Poor Ivanka Trump’s husband, Jared.
His FATHER had huge Groucho Marx eyebrows.
His are a cosmetic surgery FAIL!
Bette Davis eyebrows.
Sad
yes, I always think they look like big, angry eyebrows when they're too much (too drawn on, too big and arched, too noticeable, etc.). 😂
A few years ago a lot of youtuber women were getting their eyebrows re-created to be sort of pointy-arched. No matter what they naturally were. It seemed weird to me that they would want to alter themselves so much to follow a fashion trend.
Your repulsion is personal. You grew up idolizing one thing and now the "decadent generation" does else
I'd have said eyes are the giveaway - the fact that they can turn black and when you look into them there is actually nothing behind them
Yeah I used to ask myself about that dead gaze
Shark eyes I call it.
thats not narcissism... why do people keep making it so creepy and void of a soul. its not.
Black eyes are so scary. The face even looks black. It's hard to explain but anyone who has seen a narc in a rage has seen it. My mother and sister look very dark in photos, it's like having a black filter over the picture.
I'agree, eyes! Are the window to the soul. It is often right there, in the eyes. In the ability to smile spontaneously and openly, narcissists are often faking smiles, but then again, many of us would be conditioned to do some of that too. So sincerity and spontaneity as well as their absence are best reflected in the eyes, not as much in eyebrows. Overt narcissists will be a bit more negligeable, specifically men, thinking they 'have it all' anyways. Covert narcs yes, will take more specific care of themselves. But these are just tendencies, they will not give you the full understanding of a person in front of you. Luckily, we are a bit more complex than that. We should judge wisely and base our judgement on essential, not superficial things. Otherwise, we become the superficial narcissist evil, aren't we? Caution, good heart and responsible attitude are much needed in such matters.