CAUTION! Watch Before You Install Schluter Kerdi! - Tile Shower Build Part 3
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- We Know these systems leak! Ill show how I install these systems so they don't! I have created my own techniques on how to install waterproof membrane. This is Part 3. Be sure to tune in for the entire series. I will put these in a playlist as I release them. You wont want to miss this so please like and subscribe.
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I'm building A shower now and when I watched the schluter install video I thought well this is dumb. Why wouldn't they overlap everything like roof wrap. Glad I'm not the only one to think there way of installing was dumb. Thanks for the video
Right!! Thanks for commenting! Makes me feel not alone either! 🙌
You read my mind about the whole overlapping of this Schluter system. I’m right in the middle of this install myself and it occurred to me that Schluter’s instructions seems a little strange to me, so I thought I would jump on here and look around and I found you. I think you’re the only one that has done it this way, exactly what I was thinking. Great job.
I’m a pro for 28 years now and if I or my clients could afford to go basically triple protection then I WOULD. We all love the lightweight materials offered these days. However, just because it’s new doesn’t make it better or any good for that matter. (if that makes sense) water proofing with thin-set is a joke. I don’t care if you Mr. Schluter himself. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🍻🍻🍻
Ha! Yes! My thoughts now are to build it like a swimming pool!
Totally agree. For the past six years I've been building showers with Shluter products and in the past year I've taken this "belt and suspenders approach of adding the Hydro ban to the pan and up the walls for eight to ten inches.
What is the best way to waterproof a bathroom then, im about to do my shower
Good editing, very enjoyable to watch you tackle and add your own spin to achieve, base on your info a enclosure that will not rot in the oncoming years...I really enjoy your humorous banter which gives me a 71 yr old child of the "60's" a chuckle...as always hope Momy Kat is safe and warm, again tanks for sharing
TIP: Hydroban and AquaDefense are the best for waterproofing.. stay away from RedGuard and Ardex 8+9
Great job Jon! Nice bathroom!
Right On! 🙌 Thanks! Yes and they even have Hydroban XP and Hydrobarrier. Great products.
As a non-tile guy, why not just use Hydroban and skip the Kerdi step all together? Am I missing something? The Kerdi is a complete system, and the hydroban is a complete system. Did he basically double-up on his waterproofing?
@@MrSiestaFiesta He did double waterproofing for safety.. which I did on my both baths too
There's several people complaining about water leakage only using Schluter membrane (Membrane fabric + Thin Set) which is not 100% water proof system
@@MrSiestaFiesta from the hours of research I have done, a lot of roll-on waterproofing systems are only good for normal showers and do not work with steam style showers. A lot of people have been doing what Jon have been doing and doing a waterproof membrane for the steam shower and adding a layer of roll on waterproofing to double up. I'm definitely not a shower guy, but I have done at least 30 hours of research and courses prepping myself for my shower remodel lol
Would love to hear what @Laticrete International says about Multimax ratios
Thanks for the reference to Isaac. His test installation(s) leaked as a result of not reading and following the manufacturers installation instructions. Every system will fail you don't take the time to properly follow the correct prep and install instructions. Just sayin'. I agree with you big time on hydro ban - yes its more expensive than most other products, but it is by far the best product on the market. If they use it on Olympic sized swimming pools, it should hold up in my shower.
Right On! 🙌 I’m still not sold on how the membrane is installed with thinset being used as the glue for the joints. I feel like it should be a glue. Something really strong.
I’m glad I used the Hydroban over the top!
Why are you putting this extra coat over the membrane? The membrane itself is water proof . It is like coating rubber with more rubber.
This is great and looks invincible but isn't the whole point of the schluter system is that the membrane is enough?!!! If Tilecoach got it to leak doesn't that mean the whole system doesn't work?
Brilliant
I say to stick with all Schluters reccommendations when installing Schluters shower systems... Schluter should know what is best.. They live, eat, breathe this stuff everyday....
I actually bring the kerdi down 2 inch passed my corner. So there is no joint. Install corners first than glue 2 inch on floor and unroll it straight up the wall and install another corner afterwards. It does require me to relevel the shower pan with a skim coat due to the excess thickness of membrane in the corners.same thing for corner walls. I dont use kerdi band. I over lap the actual kerdi membrane. And as far as benches. One solid piece 2 in on floor straight up to the ceiling. No seams whats so ever
Great tutorial! Looks like back breaking work. Happy New Year.
Do you have a video of how you did the tiling for the floor? You used large format tiles so I would really like to see the cuts that you made. 😀
Putting a waterproof membrane over a waterproof membrane, that’s overkill
It’s better to do it than to rip out the tile later and do it because the Kerdi leaked.
If you think about it, Kerdi band in the corners applied with thinset? Is this really waterproof? Are you sure water won’t leak through the dried thinset? Hmmm 🤔
I didn't see any heating wire on the bench in the other video?
I am doing almost the same thing, except in reverse from yours. Have you ever considered or tried making the shower pan from a fiberglass layup? Have you ever tried or considered using silicone caulk instead of the grout?
Regards,
Gary
South Carolina
Right On Gary! I have not done a fiberglass pan but that sounds like a good plan. I know there are some cool premade shower pan liners available. That really makes good sense to do that. I have only used silicone caulk on all the corner joints. I’ve been using spectralock 1 grout with great results.
Thanks for watching!
Jon
You made great points along the way. How did this shower hold up with your waterproofing techniques?
Nice work Jon. 😊😊😊😊😊
I am really curious how well that bench feels with the wire under it.
Guys i think i applied enough thinset to membrane but then squeezed out too much. Was using way too much pressure. Not sure how much thinset is the minimum requirement to adhere to the fleece
Great vid. Much appreciated. I have a shower roughly the same size as yours (250sqft). How many bags of Multimax and Hydroban did you use or do you recommend i purchase? Also what type of grout did you use for the tile due to it being a steam shower? Any special cement for the tile as well? Just noticed where is video part 4!? Leaving us hanging over here 😅
I just had the same experience with Multimax Lite. Tried mixing to the proper water ratio and it was impossible. I’m concerned that adding more water will make it ineffective.
I saw Isaac saying he was abandoning Ardex 8 + 9 but then more recently used it (specifically mentioned instead of Hydroban) in a RSS Pro system because he said would cure without air. Maybe at times preferred? A little confused. ButI didn’t like the idea of that system since it didn’t use membrane sealing at corners (apparently similar to a Wedi system). I had decided was going to use Laticrete modified thinset to secure membrane but put Hydroban over seams. I like your “flashing” method but I’m hiring tile setter so doubt I can talk them into it. I’m sure they will already be eye-rolling at my special requests.
I've seen all the videos by all the tile RUclipsrs. I get the impression Isaac is flippant so that he can create new content. He's the main channel that loves the, "so and so failed, find out why!" Type video. He does good work, but I'd be wary about being overly concerned in regards to his "failures" videos.
so how many quarts do you recommend for multimax when applying membrane?
Brilliant
Right On! 🙌 Thanks for watching!
Tile Coach has never said the Kerdi membrane leaks. He says that his tests show that water gets behind the membrane when it is adhered with thinset.
Sounds like it’s leaking to me! For the amount of money these systems cost I would think they would be water proof without a doubt. For the cost this better be the water proof watch that can go down to 50ft not the water resistant watch that can only take light rain 🌧️ From what I’ve seen in his videos the Kerdi is leaking. In one video he showed the Kerdi flaking apart like old cardboard. Something is not right.
@@RightOnJonCrane Seems like everything leaks if you believe all the videos you see on youtube. I've seen dozens of roll on membrane videos failure videos as well. Seems like it's primarily people who can't be bothered to read the instructions and follow them. I had the same idea you had in doing Schulter waterproofing with a rollon like redguard or hydroban on top but then I read other blogs that said it's not recommended. Who knows.
The main issue is that there aren’t any tests saying hydroban adheres to the Kerdi membrane. You should’ve used the laticrete sheet membrane if you wanted to use the hydroban as well.
hows the shower holding so far? no leaks?
Any leaks 1 year later? I'm interested in building a shower the same way. I'm shocked how many Schluter failure vids there are!
No leaks! It’s been great. Best part is the heated shower floor and bench. It drys everything out after each shower. No mold or mildew to clean up. I feel good because I know the inside is staying dry as well. Seems like the Laticrete system is better. If I had to do it over I’d use their system. I did use the Hydroban. That was well worth it!
@@RightOnJonCrane You mean you'd use Laticrete instead of Schluter? Thanks for the reply!
It's due to operator error, even Tile Coach gets it wrong, and he videos himself doing it wrong.
@@abacab87 It seems like they designed a product that is very difficult to install properly. So many failing showers!
@@jeffreyjbyron I just haven't found any, and where there is and they tore it apart, it was due to operator error. There are a lot of click-biat titles that then go on to show operator error. I do believe it is not for DIY, but if every direction is followed religiously, it works as stated. I myself had a problem getting the ditra to bond with the mud, but I was able to back butter and re=apply.
Should have used a single piece of kerdi on bench seat rather than two separate pieces with the piece of kerdi band.
Right On! 🙌 That’s a good way to do it as well. It gets hard though to push out the air and excess thinset.
Doesn't this void the warranty on both products?
Yes it does for the Schluter but I’d rather have a shower that doesn’t leak rather than replacing it with another leaking shower.
I don’t think the order of applying matters for Shluder warranty as long as you follow 2” overlap of materials?
Later Red gard and aqua defense 😂😂😂
I never could understand why people don't overlap Kerdi in a shingle manner. Roofs, stucco lath, anything your trying to shed water off gets overlapped BUT Kerdi??? Thats totally BS!!
Id like to hear the engineering behind that.
I use the Schluter system kits all the time, but this is just overkill not everybody has the money to do triple protection like this