How the hell has this video been on RUclips for 9 years and it's never come up before when I've searched for F1 1991 onboards?! I can't believe there's been a video of this lap this whole time! I've been thinking about this lap ever since I got into F1 and saw how this lap time stood for 10 years. The 1992 and 93 Williams beat the pole record at pretty much every track but somehow they were 3 seconds slower than Berger's lap here! I always wondered how the hell that was possible. I still don't really know. Maybe qualifying tires had something to do with it. They were banned after 1991. But then why was the FW14B and FW15C faster at every other track even without qualifying tires? Either way it's amazing to finally see this legendary lap
Very good question ! I don't know too, but i will search around. The two things that i noticed already is that Williams did too a 1:34 at 1991 and the 1992 qualy was more rain affected.
the keys are qualifying fuel (this was banned from 92 on) and qualifying tyres. also not allowed from 92 on. never forget Honda made a huge effort for the final stage of 91 season preparing a special qualifying engine for their home gp with Shell delivering special fuel. their aim was be be in the grid ahead of Mansell and they matched it. notice the big difference between qualifying and race pace. that special engine never ever would last a race, it would blow after 12-15 laps, so they had to be much more conservative for the race.
Senna sounded more harmonic going to Degner. i think he inserted 2nd gear a bit later than Berger did. first breaking and than gear changing. Berger almost the contrary. great lap anyway.
He's skipping gears that's why the engine sounds like that. Not good for the engine and gearbox. It's ok for 1 lap though. Nowhere near as good as Senna who always went down through the whole box.
It's interesting that he left it in sixth gear for the left-hander (the '130R') at the end of the back straight, where both Senna and Prost always downshifted to fifth. I guess in many ways that makes a great deal of sense to avoid a needless gear change, given the gear configuration on the cars from that time, when a driver could still give some style and uniqueness to the art of manual shifting, right before everybody went with the 7-speed semi-automatic paddle shifters by mid-1992, including McLaren. Anyway, at the Casio Chicane, judging from the audio and his right-hand movements, it seems as if he directly shifted from 6th, to 3rd, to 2nd, which was a common downshift, known as the "wishbone"... you can see/hear Senna do it in the video from his qualy lap at Jerez in 1990, heading toward the final hairpin left-hand turn before the main straight. Obviously you'd have a very loud explosion if you did this in a street car, but these cars were designed to rev in excess of 20,000 RPMs, so as long as it was accompanied by hard-braking and aggressive heel-and-toe rev-matching, it makes perfect sense that he could do this. Either way, it's always enjoyable to watch videos from that era, back when drivers were still able to express themselves through their cars in a truly unique way, before electronic shifting took away each driver's individuality beginning the following year.
Niderfyn: I bow humbly to your superior knowledge, sir. That having been said, it's somewhat worth mentioning that I made that comment exactly one year ago (minus one week), and I've since learned and self-corrected a significant amount of data since that time. I continue to learn something new almost everyday; otherwise life would be rather boring. In any case, thanks for the detailed information. :)
Niderfyn "As +Mark Walker said above the footage you talk about Senna and Prost going for it in 5th was from 89 when the McLarens had a V10 engine, this McLaren has a V12 engine and by this time of the season it had around 780-800 hp, over 100hp more than the V10 had, with a different power delivery too, allowing Berger to do what you are seeing here." I'm perfectly aware of the different engines. The following link features highlights of the 1991 Japanese GP. Watch Senna's onboard video when he goes through the 130R. You don't even need to be watching his onboard because you can hear it plain as day. They split the channel audio and Senna is always on the right-channel audio, while Mansell is on the left until he spins out at the start of lap 10. Afterward, Berger and Patrese are featured instead: www.dailymotion.com/video/xv0n2o_f1-suzuka-1991-onboard-senna-berger-mansell-patrese_sport
I agree with how you note the ability this era provided to the viewers to be able to distinguish individual driver style, which in my opinion to a true fanatic is an incredible thing to be able to depict and observe. However I'm not quite sure I understand how these cars were revving past 20,000 rpm without mechanical failure considering the red line of the honda V12 engine used by McLaren in 1991 did not rev past 14,000 rpm, and 89 and 90 was not alot past 13,000
I know this is too late, but forgive me to drop some fact that I know from the book by Mr. Yoshitoshi Sakurai, the former Honda F1 team director. Berger was exultation about Suzuka from the very first time in 1987, and had zero problem to use 6th at 130R. Mr. Sakurai thought "He was a crazy dude." but anyway he was talented enough to reach F1 in such a short period of time, and 130R was Berger's favorite corner.
Peak power was around 13,200rpm for the v12 honda back in '91. Reason he is using 6th gear around 130r is because this is '91. Footage you have seen of prost / senna taking it in 5th is from '89.
Mark Walker You're absolutely right about the difference between the V12 and the V10 from 1989 and 1990. However, if you watch this video, there is ample onboard footage from Senna's car, as well as right-channel audio even while you're riding with Berger, Mansell and (after Mansell crashed), Riccardo Patrese. (Senna will always be right-channel audio; everybody else is left-channel.) Each time he takes the 130R, he's still dropping into 5th, while Berger keeps it in 6th. Berger would do 6th, to 3rd, to 2nd... while Senna always downshifted to 5th prior to the 130, then usually did either a 3-2-1 or a 4-2-1, occasionally following Berger's style by coming out of both the left-hand hairpin as well as the Casio Chicane in 2nd and winding it out hard, then rapidly shifting 3-4-5... then 6th. The general difference I've noticed between Senna and Berger in the same car - and maybe this was partially influenced by Berger's having operated the semi-automatic gearbox in 1989 with Ferrari, prior to joining Senna at McLaren - is that Berger always liked to have the car in a higher gear in corners than Senna, yet he frequently took pole position, including here. Another example would be heading toward Degner... Senna would drop sequentially from 5th coming out of Dunlop down into 4th then 3rd, take the first corner, then break hard and drop into 2nd before coming under the bridge, where Berger would only drop to 4th for the first corner, and 3rd for the second, reach 5th before the hairpin, then downshift into 2nd for the hairpin, whereas Senna would usually wind it out in 4th, then drop sequentially 3-2-1 for the hairpin, although in the actual race, you'll see several instances where Senna copies Berger's style. Watch it and enjoy! ;) : www.dailymotion.com/video/xv0n2o_f1-suzuka-1991-onboard-senna-berger-mansell-patrese_sport (I have this video and over a hundred more on my phone, but this is the one I always blast through my earbuds while I'm running on the treadmill and the elliptical at the gym, lol. It always gets my adrenaline pumping.)
Johnson Steele Dear sir. Thank you so so much for posting this wonderful video. I never knew it existed and thank you also for taking the time to reply. Nice to meet a true knowlegable petrol head like yourself. Wonderful to compare technique and set up isnt it. Berger was great right up until that last 99% of commitment and talent. But when you compare him to the mighty senna he was no where. In my opinion after watching this footage i would suggest berger has stacked his gear ratios much closer together than senna. 2nd is similar. 3rd and 4th are really short. Standardish 5th and a very short 6th. Am sure berger is bouncin along the rev limiter for 200 -300 yards in 6th before 130r. . . . . . . . . . (As apposed to senna's set up where he just kisses it right at the end of the straight.) And because berger is so shortly geared he can pull 6th thru 130r with minimum rev drop and the motor has still got enough grunt to pull hm thru when he gets it straightened up. I remember in monza - '98 in qualifying - mclaren used to set first gear up super long. . . . . . . Nearly to 100mph. So that they could set the remaining ratios up close together. . . 4th 5th & 6th for minimum rev drop for the super high speeds monza commands. . . . . . . Almost gaining a gear if you like by setting first gear up to be like second. Was awful off the line but it didnt matter. . . The motor just needed enough grunt to get it out of the pits. Was like a qualifying gearbox if you like. Come race day of course, a more conventional gear ratio was fitted. Do post more videos please my friend. With your comments. You have made my day.
r1oot yes as a general rule of thumb taller gearing tends to promote understeer thru high speed corners. If a driver is struggling with set up and cant dial out the understeer shorter gearing can sometimes help by inducing slip / wheelspin at the rear to help turn the wheels at the front
r1oot using shorter gearing used to be seen as taking the easy option when you were running out of ideas to improve your set up . . . . . . (Sennas set up is much harder to get right) However as the years passed short gearing became the set up of choice . . . . Particularly for redbull during their glory years. Shorter gearing does help with acceleration (traction permiting) particularly when running high downforce.
I'm perfectly aware of the different engines. The following link features highlights of the 1991 Japanese GP. Watch Senna's onboard video when he goes through the 130R. You don't even need to be watching his onboard because you can hear it plain as day. They split the channel audio and Senna is always on the right-channel audio, while Mansell is on the left until he spins out at the start of lap 10. Afterward, Berger and Patrese are featured instead: www.dailymotion.com/video/xv0n2o_f1-suzuka-1991-onboard-senna-berger-mansell-patrese_sport
Some body know where is the video of the end of this race?. I want will saw one time again the vergognous way where Ayrton only at the last three hundred meters by the finish line, had give the victory at Berger.....
@@jrp312 yes, the 91 cars seem to be faster at qualy, its pole time also beat the active williams at monza, the fastest circuit of these seasons (and at some other tracks also). strange because 92/93/94 engines were more powerful. probably some different rule/aero change that I'm not aware of
@@goldtaker95 IIRC, there wasn’t a second tyre manufacturer until 1997 when Bridgestone rejoined; even then quali tyres weren’t reintroduced). The 93 cars were narrower than the 1992 cars (or at the tyres were, accounting for some drop off) and the 94 cars didn’t have active suspension
Interestingly the same terminal speed as Hamilton in 2017 (314kph on the back straight.) 26 years and the same terminal speed. RUclips: Ayrton Senna Suzuka 1991 Qlap
The Suzuka Circuit book course layout of this time was the longest distance in history. Is an acute angle more to prevent the chicane overtaking it and from being able to do it; was layout, and was the layout that was hard to outrun most. By the way, when Schumacher updated a record these ten years later, I repair a layout, and distance is short, and the degree of difficulty of the course capture falls. Therefore, it is the best true course-record in history of F1 of Suzuka that is never updated in the lap time of Berger of this time. Though it was a digression, Berger seemed to use many left foot brakes. Probably the person concerned of then HONDA seemed to talk when he might use many left foot brakes to make an opportunity of the load movement in the cornering. Because there is the picture in case of the test-ride event of one make race specifications of Civic Sir (EG6), you should watch it if interested. When it was this picture, I seemed to use the left foot brakes at S corner and a spoon corner of Suzuka. ruclips.net/video/3GKwlKvmWB4/видео.html
I was at Phoenix and Suzuka that year. Sound of Honda was much more powerful than Ferrari in Suzuka while it was very quiet at Phoenix. Honda must have made the V12 with more than 1k rpm in Suzuka than Phoenix.
130Rの突っ込みが常軌を逸している。その後のシケインもキレイに通過、ベルガーもまた天才でした。
2:05ベルガーは130Rを6速のままでいく❗
鈴鹿史上最長のレイアウトにして誰も破れなかった永久不滅の10年レコード
91年セナと比較すると興味深い。
スプーン入口〜出口・・・セナは3速ホールド、ベルガーは4速→3速
130R・・・セナは5速にシフトダウン、ベルガーは6速ホールド
シケイン・・・セナは1速までシフトダウン、ベルガーは2速
ベルガーはセナと比較してオーバーレブが多かったとの事だが、この時代のF-1はマシンとドライバーの個性が多様であり観ていて楽しかった。
天性のレーサーゲルハルト。
昔気質のレーサー。
私が知ってる天性の才能だけでレースをした最後の良い時代のレーサーがゲルハルト。
最高！
ベルガーがセナを超えた唯一の鬼神の走り
92年のマンセルが乗るFW14Bにも破られなかった走りは神がかってる。マジでスーパーラップ。
当時はQタイヤもあったからね
90年代最強のハイテクF1マシン、FW14B。
マンセル、パトレーゼはそれを持ってしてもベルガーの34.700秒には届かなかった😮
That sound... 😍
Thank you, Honda, for bringing the automotive world such memorable engine sounds, like RA121E/RA122E, C30A and B16's!
2:03
6のまま
2:08
6→４→２
痺れる！
ゲルハルトベルガーはF1ベストドライバーの一人です。得意技は高速コーナー、大好物は130Rと美女💕
俺が田辺に女遊びを教えてやったんだ、と豪語してたらしい。
@@user-tg5jh3wp4r 当時津川さん？の本にも女遊び好きの逸話乗ってた。そこからついたあだ名はゲルハルト・すけベルガーだったと思う。それはいいとして俺はベルガーの一発の速さに惚れてたね。あの速さは晩年でも光ってた。
@@yoshinari1974 キャリア終盤、ホッケンハイムでの予選でお父様の訃報の悲しみに耐えての渾身のアタックはシビれにシビれましたよね。あの時のポールポジションは鈴鹿の10年レコードアタックよりも凄かった記憶があります
古舘実況でこの男、ただのスケベでは無い！と言わせた93年の鈴鹿もさすがミスター鈴鹿だと思ったシーン。
これでこの年の決勝、セナが途中で抜いていかなければ完璧だったと思います。
Amazing downshifting sound!!!
Those downshifting sounds were insane and. You could feel you hole body vibrate with the stands sometimes.
ベルガーには、130Ｒが良く似合う、世界一カッコよく、130Ｒを駆け抜けるＦ1ドライバーだと、当時見てて思った。
It's a shame such an epic lap has so few views...
I'm In !
That's because it's one of the Japanese video, I guess.
Berger was unfortunate to be the best of the rest during an era where so many great drivers were his competition.
セナの神業テクニックにばかり目がいってしまったが、ベルガーの鈴鹿1分34秒は10年間も破られなかたファステストラップだったんだもんな～🎵91年の鈴鹿でセナからベルガーへ優勝のプレゼント🎁なんて、セナも粋な事してくれるぜ～👍
全然美談じゃないけどね
Senna Tri campeão com Berger vencendo a corrida...foi demais!!!!!
当時のマシンで130Rを6速で通過できたのは恐ろしい限り。セナやプロストのオンボードでも130Rは5速で入ってるのに
ギアは6速ホールドだけど、スロットルは少し閉じてますよ。
六速に入れてエンブレの影響を少なくしようとしてたんですかね？
@@user-zl1rw7iu2o 当時はベルガー以外に6速で130Rを通過できるドライバーはいなかったらしいので、ラップタイムを縮小するには大きなアドバンテージだったんじゃないでしょうか。その後のシケインへの飛び込みでは6速→4速→2速みたいな乱暴なシフトダウンをしているのでかなりエンブレ効いてそうですね
@@user-zl1rw7iu2o ベルガーは高速コーナーでは左足ブレーキングを多用していました。
しかもアクセル全開のままなのでホンダのエンジニアが呆れていました。
アクセルを閉じないことで排気圧の減少を抑えられるのでダウンフォース面で有利になったと思われます。
高速コーナーではベルガーの方が速いことが多々ありました。
130Rからシケインで減速する時のアバウトなシフトダウンがベルガーらしい。
この年運良く現地にいました❗️今でも焼き付いてます👀
スムーズさはないけど〜セナにも劣らない速さ✨
特に鈴鹿が大好き✨130R
気持ちで走る✨今ではいない？F1🏁ドライバー✨
かっこいいよね😉👍✨
How the hell has this video been on RUclips for 9 years and it's never come up before when I've searched for F1 1991 onboards?! I can't believe there's been a video of this lap this whole time! I've been thinking about this lap ever since I got into F1 and saw how this lap time stood for 10 years. The 1992 and 93 Williams beat the pole record at pretty much every track but somehow they were 3 seconds slower than Berger's lap here! I always wondered how the hell that was possible. I still don't really know. Maybe qualifying tires had something to do with it. They were banned after 1991. But then why was the FW14B and FW15C faster at every other track even without qualifying tires? Either way it's amazing to finally see this legendary lap
Very good question ! I don't know too, but i will search around. The two things that i noticed already is that Williams did too a 1:34 at 1991 and the 1992 qualy was more rain affected.
the keys are qualifying fuel (this was banned from 92 on) and qualifying tyres. also not allowed from 92 on. never forget Honda made a huge effort for the final stage of 91 season preparing a special qualifying engine for their home gp with Shell delivering special fuel. their aim was be be in the grid ahead of Mansell and they matched it. notice the big difference between qualifying and race pace. that special engine never ever would last a race, it would blow after 12-15 laps, so they had to be much more conservative for the race.
great downshifting!
+megahurtz30 Senna sounds better
Those downshifts at 2:14 into the chicane from 6th to 2nd gear sounded like the engine was about to fly off the car!
Senna sounded more harmonic going to Degner. i think he inserted 2nd gear a bit later than Berger did. first breaking and than gear changing. Berger almost the contrary. great lap anyway.
He's skipping gears that's why the engine sounds like that. Not good for the engine and gearbox. It's ok for 1 lap though. Nowhere near as good as Senna who always went down through the whole box.
That's the BEAUTY OF MANUAL SHIFTING, IT'S FASTER, BUT IS DIFFICOULT.. YOU HAVE TO BE A REAL DRIVER
ahahaha great to hear too!! berger was a famous car abuser!!
2:10 JESUS!!
It took a lot of wears for that record to fall... Also, perhaps even more incredible, the Minardi qualified 7th and 8th!
Great cars great cars that time. Thanks for sharing this video 👍
It's interesting that he left it in sixth gear for the left-hander (the '130R') at the end of the back straight, where both Senna and Prost always downshifted to fifth. I guess in many ways that makes a great deal of sense to avoid a needless gear change, given the gear configuration on the cars from that time, when a driver could still give some style and uniqueness to the art of manual shifting, right before everybody went with the 7-speed semi-automatic paddle shifters by mid-1992, including McLaren.
Anyway, at the Casio Chicane, judging from the audio and his right-hand movements, it seems as if he directly shifted from 6th, to 3rd, to 2nd, which was a common downshift, known as the "wishbone"... you can see/hear Senna do it in the video from his qualy lap at Jerez in 1990, heading toward the final hairpin left-hand turn before the main straight. Obviously you'd have a very loud explosion if you did this in a street car, but these cars were designed to rev in excess of 20,000 RPMs, so as long as it was accompanied by hard-braking and aggressive heel-and-toe rev-matching, it makes perfect sense that he could do this. Either way, it's always enjoyable to watch videos from that era, back when drivers were still able to express themselves through their cars in a truly unique way, before electronic shifting took away each driver's individuality beginning the following year.
Niderfyn: I bow humbly to your superior knowledge, sir. That having been said, it's somewhat worth mentioning that I made that comment exactly one year ago (minus one week), and I've since learned and self-corrected a significant amount of data since that time. I continue to learn something new almost everyday; otherwise life would be rather boring. In any case, thanks for the detailed information. :)
Niderfyn "As +Mark Walker said above the footage you talk about Senna and Prost going for it in 5th was from 89 when the McLarens had a V10 engine, this McLaren has a V12 engine and by this time of the season it had around 780-800 hp, over 100hp more than the V10 had, with a different power delivery too, allowing Berger to do what you are seeing here."
I'm perfectly aware of the different engines. The following link features highlights of the 1991 Japanese GP. Watch Senna's onboard video when he goes through the 130R. You don't even need to be watching his onboard because you can hear it plain as day. They split the channel audio and Senna is always on the right-channel audio, while Mansell is on the left until he spins out at the start of lap 10. Afterward, Berger and Patrese are featured instead: www.dailymotion.com/video/xv0n2o_f1-suzuka-1991-onboard-senna-berger-mansell-patrese_sport
I agree with how you note the ability this era provided to the viewers to be able to distinguish individual driver style, which in my opinion to a true fanatic is an incredible thing to be able to depict and observe. However I'm not quite sure I understand how these cars were revving past 20,000 rpm without mechanical failure considering the red line of the honda V12 engine used by McLaren in 1991 did not rev past 14,000 rpm, and 89 and 90 was not alot past 13,000
I know this is too late, but forgive me to drop some fact that I know from the book by Mr. Yoshitoshi Sakurai, the former Honda F1 team director.
Berger was exultation about Suzuka from the very first time in 1987, and had zero problem to use 6th at 130R. Mr. Sakurai thought "He was a crazy dude." but anyway he was talented enough to reach F1 in such a short period of time, and 130R was Berger's favorite corner.
セナのオンボードもメチャクチャ攻めてる感があるけどベルガーはそれ以上。
ダンロップの出口、5速全開だけど速く走りたい本能なのか更に6速に入れようと右手が動いてるし130Rはシフトダウンする気サラサラ無く両手握りっぱなしのまま通過…
そしてシケインの豪快な6→4→2…
ヘアピンやシケインの立ち上がりはセナ足みたいな音がしてる。
予選はガチのセナに同じマシンで勝ったこのスーパーラップ、93のポンコツフェラーリでプロストの暫定ポールを抜いていったり…
ホッケンハイムや鈴鹿でツボにハマったベルガーの凄さは伝説。
シケイン手前で思いっきりオーバーレブさせてたよね。
ミスも多くてそんなに優勝できないのに引退までトップチームを渡り歩いた理由はこんな一発のバカっ速と人柄なんだろうね
Mindblowing.This is real F1.
I would love to drive the MP4/4 or the MP4/6 once in my life. Or ať least try to drive...:)
130R with 6th and then cikeine after only 2 down shifts, that's Gerhard Berger.
Bumm ! that´s driving on the Limit !!!!
ムラがあったけど大好きだったな
94年ドイツで勝った時泣いたし
とにかくカッコよかった
Peak power was around 13,200rpm for the v12 honda back in '91.
Reason he is using 6th gear around 130r is because this is '91.
Footage you have seen of prost / senna taking it in 5th is from '89.
Mark Walker You're absolutely right about the difference between the V12 and the V10 from 1989 and 1990. However, if you watch this video, there is ample onboard footage from Senna's car, as well as right-channel audio even while you're riding with Berger, Mansell and (after Mansell crashed), Riccardo Patrese. (Senna will always be right-channel audio; everybody else is left-channel.) Each time he takes the 130R, he's still dropping into 5th, while Berger keeps it in 6th. Berger would do 6th, to 3rd, to 2nd... while Senna always downshifted to 5th prior to the 130, then usually did either a 3-2-1 or a 4-2-1, occasionally following Berger's style by coming out of both the left-hand hairpin as well as the Casio Chicane in 2nd and winding it out hard, then rapidly shifting 3-4-5... then 6th. The general difference I've noticed between Senna and Berger in the same car - and maybe this was partially influenced by Berger's having operated the semi-automatic gearbox in 1989 with Ferrari, prior to joining Senna at McLaren - is that Berger always liked to have the car in a higher gear in corners than Senna, yet he frequently took pole position, including here. Another example would be heading toward Degner... Senna would drop sequentially from 5th coming out of Dunlop down into 4th then 3rd, take the first corner, then break hard and drop into 2nd before coming under the bridge, where Berger would only drop to 4th for the first corner, and 3rd for the second, reach 5th before the hairpin, then downshift into 2nd for the hairpin, whereas Senna would usually wind it out in 4th, then drop sequentially 3-2-1 for the hairpin, although in the actual race, you'll see several instances where Senna copies Berger's style. Watch it and enjoy! ;) : www.dailymotion.com/video/xv0n2o_f1-suzuka-1991-onboard-senna-berger-mansell-patrese_sport
(I have this video and over a hundred more on my phone, but this is the one I always blast through my earbuds while I'm running on the treadmill and the elliptical at the gym, lol. It always gets my adrenaline pumping.)
Johnson Steele Dear sir. Thank you so so much for posting this wonderful video.
I never knew it existed and thank you also for taking the time to reply.
Nice to meet a true knowlegable petrol head like yourself.
Wonderful to compare technique and set up isnt it.
Berger was great right up until that last 99% of commitment and talent.
But when you compare him to the mighty senna he was no where.
In my opinion after watching this footage i would suggest berger has stacked his gear ratios much closer together than senna.
2nd is similar. 3rd and 4th are really short. Standardish 5th and a very short 6th.
Am sure berger is bouncin along the rev limiter for 200 -300 yards in 6th before 130r. . . . . . . . . . (As apposed to senna's set up where he just kisses it right at the end of the straight.) And because berger is so shortly geared he can pull 6th thru 130r with minimum rev drop and the motor has still got enough grunt to pull hm thru when he gets it straightened up.
I remember in monza - '98 in qualifying - mclaren used to set first gear up super long. . . . . . . Nearly to 100mph. So that they could set the remaining ratios up close together. . . 4th 5th & 6th for minimum rev drop for the super high speeds monza commands. . . . . . . Almost gaining a gear if you like by setting first gear up to be like second.
Was awful off the line but it didnt matter. . . The motor just needed enough grunt to get it out of the pits.
Was like a qualifying gearbox if you like.
Come race day of course, a more conventional gear ratio was fitted.
Do post more videos please my friend. With your comments. You have made my day.
r1oot yes as a general rule of thumb taller gearing tends to promote understeer thru high speed corners.
If a driver is struggling with set up and cant dial out the understeer shorter gearing can sometimes help by inducing slip / wheelspin at the rear to help turn the wheels at the front
r1oot using shorter gearing used to be seen as taking the easy option when you were running out of ideas to improve your set up . . . . . .
(Sennas set up is much harder to get right)
However as the years passed short gearing became the set up of choice . . . . Particularly for redbull during their glory years.
Shorter gearing does help with acceleration (traction permiting) particularly when running high downforce.
I'm perfectly aware of the different engines. The following link features highlights of the 1991 Japanese GP. Watch Senna's onboard video when he goes through the 130R. You don't even need to be watching his onboard because you can hear it plain as day. They split the channel audio and Senna is always on the right-channel audio, while Mansell is on the left until he spins out at the start of lap 10. Afterward, Berger and Patrese are featured instead: www.dailymotion.com/video/xv0n2o_f1-suzuka-1991-onboard-senna-berger-mansell-patrese_sport
10年レコード!
honda v12 awesome......
Some body know where is the video of the end of this race?. I want will saw one time again the vergognous way where Ayrton only at the last three hundred meters by the finish line, had give the victory at Berger.....
The sound of a real F1 car
130R等が改修されるまで破られることのなかったスーパーレコードラップ
ゲルハルト・ベルガーの高速コースでの天性の走りを見せた伝説のラップ
Mclaren mp 46 with was a special car with that brilliant Honda v12 best sounding engine ever no driver aids in this car
Great❤❤
天才セナ、荒法師マンセル、プロフェッサープロスト、そして皇帝シューマッハですら同じレイアウトでは破る事ができなかったスーパーラップ。
ゲルハルト・ベルガーがもし５年でもF1の活動時期がズレていたらおそらく最低１度は頂点に立っていたと思う。
2回目は1:34:74鳥肌が立ちました。連投すみません。
Very good
90年のセナは、1.36.996だ
Wao
ストップウォッチで測ったら1:34:48でした(誤差w)
130Rは6速のまま！
Berger block shifts as well, 5-2 , same as boutson
このレイアウトで今のF1が走ったら何秒なんだろうか？気になる！！
Bring back these engines and sound and i might bother watching F1 again!!!😎
Still faster than a McLaren-Ho...
Berger: Hold my Honda Engine
Still faster than a Williams
SATORU NAKAJIMA‼︎‼︎
Take under control these F1 was like try to rest sit on a crazy horse..
シケインへの進入でギアを飛ばして落としてるのを見ると、セナに比べてオーバーレブによるエンジントラブルが多いのも納得してしまう。
interesting fact: this laptime was only beaten in 2001 (the last year they used this layout). 91 cars were extremely fast
I’m surprised it wasn’t beaten by the active Williams’
@@jrp312 yes, the 91 cars seem to be faster at qualy, its pole time also beat the active williams at monza, the fastest circuit of these seasons (and at some other tracks also). strange because 92/93/94 engines were more powerful. probably some different rule/aero change that I'm not aware of
@@goldtaker95 Ah, I think I know - quali tyres were gone for 1992 as there was only 1 tyre supplier
@@jrp312 93 and 94 also?
@@goldtaker95 IIRC, there wasn’t a second tyre manufacturer until 1997 when Bridgestone rejoined; even then quali tyres weren’t reintroduced). The 93 cars were narrower than the 1992 cars (or at the tyres were, accounting for some drop off) and the 94 cars didn’t have active suspension
なんて乱暴なシフトダウンなんだ
ベルガーの運転は荒いが一発が速い。オーバーレブが多くてホンダも困ったとか。
セナは130Rを5速に落として通過→ギアを1つずつ落としてシケインは1速。
ベルガーは130Rを6速のまま→4速→2速に落としてシケインを抜ける。
セナの安定感重視のドライビングに対してベルガーは勢いで走るタイプ。
130Rヤバい
Interestingly the same terminal speed as Hamilton in 2017 (314kph on the back straight.)
26 years and the same terminal speed.
RUclips: Ayrton Senna Suzuka 1991 Qlap
ゲーハートのやんちゃで下品なところも大好き!!(๑•̀ω•́ฅ)
Show that to the drivers today complaining about porpoising.
Gerhard gib Gas!!!!!
The Suzuka Circuit book course layout of this time was the longest distance in history. Is an acute angle more to prevent the chicane overtaking it and from being able to do it; was layout, and was the layout that was hard to outrun most. By the way, when Schumacher updated a record these ten years later, I repair a layout, and distance is short, and the degree of difficulty of the course capture falls.
Therefore, it is the best true course-record in history of F1 of Suzuka that is never updated in the lap time of Berger of this time.
Though it was a digression, Berger seemed to use many left foot brakes.
Probably the person concerned of then HONDA seemed to talk when he might use many left foot brakes to make an opportunity of the load movement in the cornering.
Because there is the picture in case of the test-ride event of one make race specifications of Civic Sir (EG6), you should watch it if interested.
When it was this picture, I seemed to use the left foot brakes at S corner and a spoon corner of Suzuka.
ruclips.net/video/3GKwlKvmWB4/видео.html
Dude watching this makes me realise how shite modern F1 really is...
アホみたいに暴力的なエンジン音だ
エンジン音からして130Rは6速全開のまま左足ブレーキ使用してますね。数カ所のコーナーで飛ばしシフトを使用してますが圧巻はシケイン！6速から2度のシフトダウンだけて2速まで落としてますねwww実はこれ予選だけではないですからねwwwホンダエンジンの強さに驚かされますよwww
強さなんてあったかねぇ
あんなシフトダウンするんだからオーバーレブばっかりだよ
おかげでガーディのマシンは結構トラブル多かったんだよ
強さとかないよ、普通やわ
当時から飛ばしシフトダウンは当たり前でしたよ。90年はトラブルフリーなのに91年はトラブル多発、ベルガーだけのせいですかねえ。
@@atsushis3724 そうですよwたぶんベルガーのせいですよwなんせシフトダウンめちゃくちゃ下手ですからw
@@internationaleldorado1532 ほんとにそうですね！マクラーレン時代のプロストのシフトダウンを見習って欲しかったですね！
マクラーレン、コクピットが狭すぎ問題。95年のルール変更までやっぱ小さい人が94年まで有利やったね。
It sounds to me Berger is not good at adjustment of rev up in heel & toe.
シフトチェンジが荒々しくて マシンの悲鳴が凄いな
ウワ～オ～ン ワオ～ン
夜に乗る方も ワオワオさせてたのは有名ですねぇ
荒々しくて 壊してたのかな
元祖オーバーレブ男
モレノというそこそこ速いドライバーがいましてね、あ、知りませんか。
2:10 6-4-2 😂
Sounds like the Ferrari in that era
I was at Phoenix and Suzuka that year. Sound of Honda was much more powerful than Ferrari in Suzuka while it was very quiet at Phoenix. Honda must have made the V12 with more than 1k rpm in Suzuka than Phoenix.
Ferrari V12 sounds much better!