This is rapidly becoming my favorite motorcycle-related channel on YT. After watching your videos on the RE Interceptor 650, I've decided that it's to be my first motorcycle. Beautiful and affordable, that's what my student's budget likes to hear. Cheers from the US!
Fitted this air filter from TEC on my Interceptor yesterday! Amazing how a relatively simple mod can have such a smile inducing impact on the bike 😁 more throaty sound and better pick up! Thanks for the vid TMF!
I just installed one of these on my interceptor. I felt a really big difference! the bike feels less restrictive and more open through all the gears. I think it feels much smoother for sure. I can just feel that the engine is much less suffocated. I love it! great mod.
I believe to need to idle the bike from cold for approx 12-14 mins after doing this mode to allow the ECU to remap its self. It has to learn what has just been modified to be fully beneficial. Good video anyway and don't throw out the original parts just store them away.
I wonder how many new owners have already snapped or at least damaged the nearside cover's lower tab by trying to yank the bottom out first. I know *I* might have done. That's exactly why these clips are so useful. Keep 'em coming, and more with rides on your Interceptor.
Interesting vid. I do like this bike & the brand & it's a great price too. I think I slightly prefer the Cafe racer variant although not sure how practical it is with clip-ons etc but with a headlight fairing & bar end mirrors it'd look great.
I have the DNA filter on my 650GT, it was a good mod but now its even better. I fitted the TEC bikes booster plug and it has allowed the filter to make better use of the air flow. From 6500rpm the engine takes off almost like its clutch is slipping!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Just start from cold, and leave it idling for 12 minutes minimum. It'll adjust itself to either filter change or cans all by itself. Then switch off, and then your good to go !
I have one of their 350 classics, rejetted, exhaust, high flow air cleaner, and auto decomp removed. They are great fun, if it can't be fixed with a hammer you need a bigger hammer.
@@rayg9069 Hi Ray. Whats the 350 like to ride? Ive heard theyre about as fast as a modern 125. Im looking into buying a 2nd hand Enfield to play with and dont know whether to go with 500 or 350, as the 350s seem cheaper. Ive got big bikes but want something i cañ mess with and be sure i can get the parts.
@@heywhotsgoinon8286 Mine is a 2017 model with VM carb and no ABS. The frame works really well, it's quite agile and feels really light on the move, the frame is the same as the 500's. The 350 engine has less vibration than the 500's and once it's allowed to breathe and fed correctly goes like stink. I have fitted the Indian Indoori exhaust to mine, head to tail pipe as the original is a dual wall header with an exhaust catalyst in it which blocks eventually. The Indian VM carb uses standard Mikuni jets so it's dead easy to tune. I've found one size up on the pilot and two sizes on the main seems to suit, heaps more power, it will hit the rev limiter easily in the lower gears, and has no plug fouling issues. Indian build quality is genuine 1950's standard. But at least everything is steel and very simple to disassemble and work on. Top speed from factory after 2000km about 100kmh on a good day, usually 95kmh. Top speed on mine now 120 + a little bit, indicated, and it gets there a lot quicker. Summary, a great blank canvas to tinker with, if you do break something it's dirt cheap to replace parts, it'll run happily on 91 octane, and still give 3l/100km
If the air flow actually has increased that much it would be wise to test the air fuel ratio on a dynamometer (inexplicably called a rolling road in your neck of the woods I believe). Increasing air flow without a corresponding increase in fuel flow will create a hotter burning mixture and possibly detonation, no small matter in what is essentially and air cooled engine. Yes, everybody bolts on aftermarket air filters and exhausts. That is largely why buying a used motorcycle is so risky.
Repeat after me, don't put removed panels on the floor! The law of Murphy says you will stand on it or kick it or otherwise crunch it 😳👍👍👍 electronic fuel injection and engine management make jobs like this soooo much easier. In the old days you would have been faffing about with needles and jets for days lol
@@grahamtricker4103 The Enfield does have Lambda sensors so it's adaptive, it may take a couple of run cycles but providing it has the internal tuning range it should cope.
@@SteveInskip The dealer / supplier probably doesn't know how the ECU functions down to that level. Not sure how you would find out for sure without being able to communicate with the ECU ??
Hi. I’m not very mechanically-minded. Does the air get sucked into the filter from the front of the bike? Without the air filter cover is there a greater chance of dirt/ water ingress into the filter. I’ve seen some comments suggesting this. Can’t see that water ingress would be a factor. Not seen any water under that cover
Did you need to let the ECU adjust to new air cleaner from other videos I have seen this needs to be done to achieve the full benefit of the new one Cheers Chips.
I've seen a recommendation where the 650 should be left idling for approx 10mins after filter replacement before killing the engine to ensure proper ECU adjustment. Don't know the science behind it, but the gist was not to go straight into a road ride after the installation.
5:59 "I'm a bit of a TART" says TMF HAHAHAHA Guys from outside the UK may need an update on the statement!! George Milburn (TEC Bike Parts) well into RE & Triumphs. Thanks TMF
After putting the DNA air filter in are you not supposed to let the bike idle for ten minutes for the bike to self adjust for the improved air flow, rather than just going for a ride. Please explain.
warranty ? so its now running even leaner than stock will the ecu adjust or will it need a new map..? more air equals more fuel required so pointless ..unless you want to burn out your valves .. please tell me tec have researched this properly ..sorry thats a bit ranty just concerned for your new bike ..peace and love 👍🏻☮❤
@@rumien1383 ah good day to you sir ! i dont think we need to go there after all we' re not some kind of "fly by night " outfit . oh dear what have i done ? 👍🏻☮❤
Couple of quick questions. Does there not need to be something to stop water running down and into the inlet in rainy conditions? Also with the extra airflow. New bikes are tuned very lean already due to emission controls legislation. Would it not need a re-tune otherwise it may be running far to lean with the potential of damage?
my question would be how does fitting a non OEM air filter affect warranty? Given the small amount of hp increase on a non sprting mcycle seems not worh while IMHO!
Fair enough! I love a tinker and the main appeal to me is the fact I don’t have to buy a new filter every-time I service the bike, any additional Ho is a bonus. Don’t know if it affects the warranty...several have mentioned it, thanks for watching!
@@TheMissendenFlyer a new oem air filter is far far cheaper than a new engine, false economy but each to their own. Not like you don't have another bike to ride should the Enfield engine stop. Good luck.
I spoke to 2 after market exhaust manufacturers here in India. They said changing an air filter along with exhaust isn't necessary. One of them being AEW. What do you have to say about it? I have a K & N filter. But just waiting for right advice before installing. Thanks in advance
Gday mate im going to ask what is your opinion on this bike ,do you believe it could be a good contender to the triumph bonnevile .I know it is way down on power compared to the 1200 but after seeing it i am reminded of the bike i learned to ride on a xs2 650 yamaha mine had problems with the decompressor valve when you kick started it ( oops showing my age there they dont have them anymore do they ) nothing like getting it wrong and having it wack you in the back of the leg aghh the memories .I do like the look of the interceptor as the triumph do you think they will bring out a larger model ie 900 maybe even a 1200 to rival triumph ?
I would ignore all the comments about the possible fuelling problems. In my many years of fitting induction kits on road & race cars, air & water-cooled bikes I have never found any problems even on engine dynos plus direct coupled and rolling roads. The only problems were under-bonnet heat on cars without isolating the remote filter and debris sucked into bellmouths on a Thruxton Bonneville (real 60's one not current pretenders!) That was a very informative video many thanks. I am getting one in the New Year and it's your fault dammit LOL!
Cheers Paul - I'm looking at getting the "Booster Plug" Tec supply to combat any leaning issues...we'll see long term how it fares! You'll love the Interceptor - old school honest motorcycling...
Nah not childish at all, i thought everybody did that going under bridges ( or thru tunnels ), curious to see what effect if any it will have on your fuel consumption.
Being an EFI bike with all the sensors it may not make much difference to fuel use, but it may unleash a tiny bit more power, worth keeping an eye on any changes for sure.
Well I have been trying to think of ways of raising the cash for the new Rocket, but I can't imagine getting rid of any of my current bikes, space is limited and that new trumpet is darned expensive....may have to wait for the second hand market for that one :0(
I have done similar with my Duke, including a new silencer. They made a note on my policy but no increase. You must tell them though or they could refuse to pay in the event of a claim
For peace of mind, I would run it up on a dyno and get the fuelling checked to make sure it's not running lean. Letting in more air means the engine will need more fuel to run optimally... I note that many that have done this are now having to add a "booster" to fool the ECU into adding more fuel to correct for the increase in the airflow.
@@rayg9069 Not really. There is only a small amount of adjustment the ECU will be able to make. Remember, the manufacturers fuelling map is critically made to meet strict emission levels and even more so on an air-cooled motor as in the RE. Some ECUs only switch in the Lambda sensors when instructed to by the ECU. Most of the time it's running a predetermined map or maps. Once you remove the front cover and replace the air filter with a massively less restrictive type you are definitely going to need to increase the fuelling to compensate...
@@grahamtricker4103 My understanding of Lambda sensors is they are sampling the exhaust for rich / lean conditions, the problem could arise I guess if it's only dynamic trim and the bike reverts to it's fuel map every start. I agree the 'tuning range of the ECU may not be wide enough. A dyno would be the sure answer.
Sorry to be off the thread however I just ordered a booster plug for my bonneville after seeing the re interceptor video now it's gone, I am going ahead and fitting it when it comes however I wonder if you have had second thoughts about the mod yourself
Nope - just that I found the white connector hiding under the seat - the video showed me plugging it into the wrong spot - I need to remake the video....but thought i should take the old one down to prevent anyone following my wrong example! Very happy with my booster plug, go for it!
the screws of air filter cover of my int 650 are so tightly shut that they won't open no matter how hard i try, i have tried spraying wd40 on them but still they won't budge, not a single one of those screws is opening 😢
TMF. If you replace air filter with one of these types while bike may still need a 'Dealer service' (i.e. under 2 years old) then remember to tell dealer to leave it in there at service. Some garages will swap for OEM filter at service as they are just following instructions and you may not check under panel for months.
You know I would have thought the air filter would have been more accessible on a bike such as this. I remember the bike of the 70's and 80's you just pulled the side cover off and vala there it was. 😜
I suggested this mode to a friend who has an Enfield intercepter...I was staggered at the price!! I changed to a K&N filter for my Striple. I believe it cost about fifty Euros as apposed to getting on for ninety!! for the Enfield's. I understand the point about it being a 'one off job' but even so it seems very expensive. Sounds great though, I suppose anything that 'un-strangles' the engines breathing is worth it.....My Triumph Striple certainly felt to have a bit more erg...and better fuel consumption....although as we all know fuel consumption on a Bike is secondary to the sound it makes.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer I've watch many of your videos. Excellent in content and the way you present them. My personal favourite in your stable is the 'Duke'. I owned a 900ss years ago ...the bevel drive V-twin...I fear my body is no longer supple enough for the Sports/racer style so all I can do now is look and appreciate that Italian Stallion. Like you I do ride a Triumph Street Triple...(Its easier on the ageing body)..Great Motorcycle.
I have a K&N filter fitted (by dealer) and regularly get fault "Air intake temperature sensor". Have to reset using OBD reader. It's then OK for a few weeks before returning. Anyone else having this issue.
I see that you have not got blanking plugs for your old mirror position, maybe you should have a look at SP Engineering, as they do cnc ones that are anodised black and look very smart...just a thought
We were in London over the weekend and a Royal Enfield, a newish model, passed by in Oxford Street of all places and the noise it made seemed disproportionately loud to the look of the bike. Maybe it was a 500cc but it had obviously had a decat or something. I thought the very loud sound made it seem a bit silly. Reflecting afterwards I thought well at least traffic will hear him coming...
I fitted a K&N in my bike Think it may of lost a little bit of induction sound because less back pressure. Can’t really notice any power gain from riding . Tho filter easy to wash out soon pays for it’s self .
Back pressure is produced from the exhaust. Not the air filters. A ‘performance’ air filter on its own shall help with airflow and ‘might’ give you a couple of extra HP if you’re lucky and you ‘might’ feel the engine being a little more responsive, but you’re never going to feel any more power at the wheel or through the seat of the pants. Most engines are already set up with about as much performance as you’re ever going to get without major work. Some bikes that use a detuned engine from another model can react well to small changes. I had a Kawasaki ZRX1200R (detuned ZZR1200 engine) that gave 110hp at the wheel, but with K&N pod filters, stage3 jets (carbs not injection) and a full Akropovic system showed 130hp at the rear wheel. This Enfield is unlikely to show any power improvement with this modification. It’ll make it sound a bit more interesting but that’s about all. If TMF puts a freer flowing set of pipes on as well, then there may possibly be a noticeable (albeit small) difference. I’m looking forward to that ‘and’ this project in general.
Hi, pity they didn't radius the new clamp's edges by making it in half-moon section. The overshoot effect of those three 'cliff edges' facing one another, as vast amounts of drawn air goes yodelling down the hole in gleeful abandon, could well induce a surprising amount of turbulence at the filter's entrance. (Three sides arguing about 'who gets what' from the trough? - huh, sounds like Brexit . . . I'll get my coat : )
After fitting the filter, startup the bike and do not rev it. Let it run for 10min. This will let the ECU to reprogram itself to allow for the extra air. If you don't do that it's using the old settings which is not good.
Bike sounds good TMF, and revving through tunnels is obligatory!. Are you having a test ride on the Tenere 700....? Most dealers have demo bikes now. Cheers, Steve
Do you own a subwoofer, like the ones in home cinema setups? The port through which the sounds comes out looks small doesn't it? It works using the Helmholtz resonance principal to boost the sound's lower frequencies. If you drilled holes in the subwoofer, to make it "breathe better" it would sound much, much lower because the resonance effect would be lost. Something similar happens in the airbox . In order to achieve a higher volumetric efficiency the Helmholtz principal is used in designing the airbox, hence that small looking air intake opening. Just think about it for a second: Don't you find it strange that model after model, brand after brand, motorcycle manufacturers can't get the airbox right? Not even Honda, BMW, Ducati or any other manage, with all their know-how and resources, to get it right? And it's such a simple mistake that anyone with a pocket knife and no technical or engineering knowledge can fix it? Just how much air does it actually need??? Anyway, take care, ride safe
Agree in principle, but then look at race bikes, ram tubes with no filter at all. Manufacturers are balancing performance, noise, emissions, engine stability over wide operating conditions and long service life. The filter and airbox is a compromise to achieve acceptable results in all areas, they do a bloody good job of it as well.
@@rayg9069 Race bikes use the exact same principle, they just shift the resonance frequency to a very high RPM at the cost of a very narrow power band. And those ram air intakes use diverging ducts to exchange the air speed for air pressure. That is also what happens in a normal, apparently "restricted" air box. Air that rushes in at high speed into a larger cavity gets to a higher-than-atmospheric pressure state. Obviously, there's a limit and a compromise to this effect. This all process is somewhat counter intuitive but that is how it works.
Do you know if this affects the warranty? My local dealer said I would lose my 3 year warranty if I change the filter on my interceptor. I'm pretty upset by it because it looks like it was a decision made by some dickhead at corporate.
@@TheMissendenFlyer it was a strange conversation because everyone at the dealership, including the mechanic who is like a moto wizard, said it would be fine. Then they made a call to the office they report to, just to be safe, and that's when I got the bad news. So as someone who use to work on the other side of things, it may be the case that it's simply bad info. At least that is my hope. If anyone else has asked I'd appreciate them posting about it.
Do you wear your ear plugs when riding the Interceptor? Always a compromise between protecting your hearing and enjoying the lovely sound of exhaust, etc. What exhaust have you got on your bike?
I doubt you’ll see any gains without a remap and to be honest if you’ve changed air flow I would remap it. Manufacturers tend to ship their bikes a bit lean to beat emissions testing and changing the air filter is only gonna make it leaner.
for those who do not know, always blow filters from inside out in the 70's i worked on gear with filters half the size of a mini car, dust kills engines
Except that the Royal Enfield twins are reverse flow, the center of the filter is the dirty side the outer in the air box is the clean side. It's done that way so dirt trapped is held in the filter when it's taken out and doesn't drop into the airbox.
@@rayg9069 YES, I had a 69 Norton 650ss, duel Amel carbs no filters, i was young, NZ roads are sometimes just gravel, bike lasted 4900 miles, later I served apprenticeship Cummins eng co, the filters are the most important asset, when it comes to life of the mill, another trick, put a light in it, if there are perforations the light will show, big money these big filters.
Today my just turned three year old grandson was playing with his toy mechanic’s set. While he was screwing and unscrewing stuff together and apart, I heard him whisper, “Lefty loosely; righty tighty.” I think I’ve ruined him.
well at least your air filter is not a pain in the ass to move like my bike. Honda for some reason decided it was a great idea to put electric cables in the way
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This is rapidly becoming my favorite motorcycle-related channel on YT. After watching your videos on the RE Interceptor 650, I've decided that it's to be my first motorcycle. Beautiful and affordable, that's what my student's budget likes to hear. Cheers from the US!
Good choice!
Fitted this air filter from TEC on my Interceptor yesterday! Amazing how a relatively simple mod can have such a smile inducing impact on the bike 😁 more throaty sound and better pick up! Thanks for the vid TMF!
You're welcome!
I was half expecting a white van to show up in your garage. I love the noise!
I just installed one of these on my interceptor. I felt a really big difference! the bike feels less restrictive and more open through all the gears. I think it feels much smoother for sure. I can just feel that the engine is much less suffocated. I love it! great mod.
I believe to need to idle the bike from cold for approx 12-14 mins after doing this mode to allow the ECU to remap its self. It has to learn what has just been modified to be fully beneficial. Good video anyway and don't throw out the original parts just store them away.
12 minutes idle is a long time for an air-cooled engine. don't do everything you hear out there. the ecu regulates itself while riding the motorcycle.
I wonder how many new owners have already snapped or at least damaged the nearside cover's lower tab by trying to yank the bottom out first. I know *I* might have done. That's exactly why these clips are so useful. Keep 'em coming, and more with rides on your Interceptor.
Yes I hate those clips on fairings etc....more rides coming as soon as the weather/light allows!
A me si è rotta con le vibrazioni una delusione
The only essential mod so far👍
That’s what l like about the RE you can mess about with the mods so refreshing!
Now I gotta save this video and remeber this for when I buy my GT, in 2-3 years :|
Thank you, exactly what I wanted to see. Cheers from Transylvania ;)
You are welcome!
You have a nice collection of bikes Andy, i like them all. Great video as usual.
Thank you Ken - I agree! 😜
Nothing wrong in keeping your inner child happy. Sounds great.
Thanks Philip, we all never stop being children really do we?
The Cheapskates version of this is to replace the plastic intake trumpet with a couple of large washers to hold in the stock paper filter.
I'm liking your cheap-skate thinking!
Fitted this to my bike,sounds good on higher revs.
I've also added the Booster Plug which has improved the pick up a bit. Cheers!
Yes me too…
good job again tmf 👍🏻 should’ve done a wee before and after noise comparison in the garage. sounds lovely though
My oh my she sings a lovely song!
Lovely lovely bike. Congrats TMF, this one is a winner :)
Cheers....
Interesting vid. I do like this bike & the brand & it's a great price too. I think I slightly prefer the Cafe racer variant although not sure how practical it is with clip-ons etc but with a headlight fairing & bar end mirrors it'd look great.
I have the DNA filter on my 650GT, it was a good mod but now its even better. I fitted the TEC bikes booster plug and it has allowed the filter to make better use of the air flow. From 6500rpm the engine takes off almost like its clutch is slipping!
Yes I'm looking at fitting one of those - stay tuned!
Must admit, that does sound awesome.
Andy, did you do the 12 minute idle from cold start, to let the ECU self adapt to the inlet ?
I was looking for a comment like that, otherwise I would!
No I didn't - I wasn't aware of the procedure...oops!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Just start from cold, and leave it idling for 12 minutes minimum. It'll adjust itself to either filter change or cans all by itself. Then switch off, and then your good to go !
@@daveyblakeney so you dont have to apply a new mapping to the ECU when you change cans and filter?
@@daveyblakeney No bro. 12 minutes is much time ! Engine air cooled
WOW its really made a difference Andy, it filters out white vans lol... atb Dixie
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What is the advantage of the new air filter bracket?
No idea
A bike you can do stuff to without stripping it to bits.
I have one of their 350 classics, rejetted, exhaust, high flow air cleaner, and auto decomp removed. They are great fun, if it can't be fixed with a hammer you need a bigger hammer.
@@rayg9069 Hi Ray. Whats the 350 like to ride? Ive heard theyre about as fast as a modern 125. Im looking into buying a 2nd hand Enfield to play with and dont know whether to go with 500 or 350, as the 350s seem cheaper. Ive got big bikes but want something i cañ mess with and be sure i can get the parts.
@@heywhotsgoinon8286 Mine is a 2017 model with VM carb and no ABS. The frame works really well, it's quite agile and feels really light on the move, the frame is the same as the 500's. The 350 engine has less vibration than the 500's and once it's allowed to breathe and fed correctly goes like stink. I have fitted the Indian Indoori exhaust to mine, head to tail pipe as the original is a dual wall header with an exhaust catalyst in it which blocks eventually. The Indian VM carb uses standard Mikuni jets so it's dead easy to tune. I've found one size up on the pilot and two sizes on the main seems to suit, heaps more power, it will hit the rev limiter easily in the lower gears, and has no plug fouling issues. Indian build quality is genuine 1950's standard. But at least everything is steel and very simple to disassemble and work on. Top speed from factory after 2000km about 100kmh on a good day, usually 95kmh. Top speed on mine now 120 + a little bit, indicated, and it gets there a lot quicker. Summary, a great blank canvas to tinker with, if you do break something it's dirt cheap to replace parts, it'll run happily on 91 octane, and still give 3l/100km
@@rayg9069 Thanks Ray. This info is really appreciated.👍
If the air flow actually has increased that much it would be wise to test the air fuel ratio on a dynamometer (inexplicably called a rolling road in your neck of the woods I believe). Increasing air flow without a corresponding increase in fuel flow will create a hotter burning mixture and possibly detonation, no small matter in what is essentially and air cooled engine. Yes, everybody bolts on aftermarket air filters and exhausts. That is largely why buying a used motorcycle is so risky.
...yes next mod is a "booster plug" to richen the mixture a tad....
@@TheMissendenFlyer I saw that on the TEC Bike website. Any plans for their full LED light conversion?
Fab review as always love the content always coming up with good hints and tips many thanks 👍
Thanks for watching and for the kind words Anthony
Repeat after me, don't put removed panels on the floor! The law of Murphy says you will stand on it or kick it or otherwise crunch it 😳👍👍👍 electronic fuel injection and engine management make jobs like this soooo much easier. In the old days you would have been faffing about with needles and jets for days lol
Yes good advice!
You still do. The ECU will not be mapped to supply the required fuel to balance out for the huge increase in airflow with this conversion...
@@grahamtricker4103 The Enfield does have Lambda sensors so it's adaptive, it may take a couple of run cycles but providing it has the internal tuning range it should cope.
Ray G the supplier should verify this I’d guess?
@@SteveInskip The dealer / supplier probably doesn't know how the ECU functions down to that level. Not sure how you would find out for sure without being able to communicate with the ECU ??
One question. I've read that after installing it you have to run the engine idle for 5 minutes ?
No I don't.....
Beautiful sound, good video, thanks👍
Did you make any changes to the fairing? Cutouts? Is it needed even?
Nope
Do know how to take off the plastic lens off the indicator? I need to replace the bulb. (INT650)
No idea!
Hi.
I’m not very mechanically-minded.
Does the air get sucked into the filter from the front of the bike?
Without the air filter cover is there a greater chance of dirt/ water ingress into the filter.
I’ve seen some comments suggesting this. Can’t see that water ingress would be a factor. Not seen any water under that cover
Yes!
Did you need to let the ECU adjust to new air cleaner from other videos I have seen this needs to be done to achieve the full benefit of the new one Cheers Chips.
I'll check....
I've seen a recommendation where the 650 should be left idling for approx 10mins after filter replacement before killing the engine to ensure proper ECU adjustment. Don't know the science behind it, but the gist was not to go straight into a road ride after the installation.
Hi there, great video, does the DNA air filter comes already oiled and ready to be used?
Yes it does…
5:59 "I'm a bit of a TART" says TMF HAHAHAHA Guys from outside the UK may need an update on the statement!!
George Milburn (TEC Bike Parts) well into RE & Triumphs. Thanks TMF
Danke für die Hilfestellung!!
My pleasure!
After putting the DNA air filter in are you not supposed to let the bike idle for ten minutes for the bike to self adjust for the improved air flow, rather than just going for a ride. Please explain.
Apparently you are yes - but I didn't know that at the time - it's idled since then so it will have made the necessary corrections..
warranty ?
so its now running even leaner than stock will the ecu adjust or will it need a new map..?
more air equals more fuel required so pointless ..unless you want to burn out your valves ..
please tell me tec have researched this properly ..sorry thats a bit ranty just concerned for your new bike ..peace and love 👍🏻☮❤
Thanks for your concern! I'll ask 'em!
@@TheMissendenFlyer
that came over a bit like a Troll comment .. honestly not intended that way .. engage brain before text Springy !! 👍🏻☮❤
springy 2112 you wouldn’t want to send the wrong “signals”.
Stop it ! we’re not doing that again.🤘🏻
@@rumien1383
ah good day to you sir ! i dont think we need to go there after all we' re not some kind of "fly by night " outfit .
oh dear what have i done ? 👍🏻☮❤
springy 2112 always a pleasure sir.
Couple of quick questions. Does there not need to be something to stop water running down and into the inlet in rainy conditions? Also with the extra airflow. New bikes are tuned very lean already due to emission controls legislation. Would it not need a re-tune otherwise it may be running far to lean with the potential of damage?
Several others have said this - I'm looking into getting the "booster plug" that Tec supply to rectify the fuelling....
my question would be how does fitting a non OEM air filter affect warranty? Given the small amount of hp increase on a non sprting mcycle seems not worh while IMHO!
Fair enough! I love a tinker and the main appeal to me is the fact I don’t have to buy a new filter every-time I service the bike, any additional Ho is a bonus. Don’t know if it affects the warranty...several have mentioned it, thanks for watching!
@@TheMissendenFlyer a new oem air filter is far far cheaper than a new engine, false economy but each to their own. Not like you don't have another bike to ride should the Enfield engine stop. Good luck.
Booster plug next sir? cheers from dave
Indeed - I'm looking into that....
I spoke to 2 after market exhaust manufacturers here in India. They said changing an air filter along with exhaust isn't necessary. One of them being AEW. What do you have to say about it? I have a K & N filter. But just waiting for right advice before installing. Thanks in advance
Do you find the handle bar pad spins or sits firmly on the handle?
It did spin when I bought it, I since put double sided tape under it and all is well....
Question from 2021: wont the open bracket increase the risk of water ingress especially in foul weather?
PLUS you attract more hot air from the engine PLUS your ride will loose torque and peak performance. Don’t do it. Just sounds stupid too
Is there an advantage to replacing the air filter cover from stock to the one you used? Trying to understand how this effects the bike.
Neatly done TMF. When's the exhaust upgrade video coming?
Currently scheduled for December the 14th....
Gday mate im going to ask what is your opinion on this bike ,do you believe it could be a good contender to the triumph bonnevile .I know it is way down on power compared to the 1200 but after seeing it i am reminded of the bike i learned to ride on a xs2 650 yamaha mine had problems with the decompressor valve when you kick started it ( oops showing my age there they dont have them anymore do they ) nothing like getting it wrong and having it wack you in the back of the leg aghh the memories .I do like the look of the interceptor as the triumph do you think they will bring out a larger model ie 900 maybe even a 1200 to rival triumph ?
Go check out my reviews for my full thoughts on the machine!
Good move on your part, Andy. I wonder if the ECU is set lean for fuel. Might be nice to explore. In any event, thumbs up. 🏍👍🏍
yes of course
Nice mod, just wonder if it makes more likely to suck in something less desirable than fresh air, like water when riding in heavy rain.
Possible but unlikely is my thinking given that cover is pretty expansive - thanks for watching as ever BM!
I would ignore all the comments about the possible fuelling problems. In my many years of fitting induction kits on road & race cars, air & water-cooled bikes I have never found any problems even on engine dynos plus direct coupled and rolling roads. The only problems were under-bonnet heat on cars without isolating the remote filter and debris sucked into bellmouths on a Thruxton Bonneville (real 60's one not current pretenders!) That was a very informative video many thanks. I am getting one in the New Year and it's your fault dammit LOL!
Cheers Paul - I'm looking at getting the "Booster Plug" Tec supply to combat any leaning issues...we'll see long term how it fares! You'll love the Interceptor - old school honest motorcycling...
Hi TMF would that have an effect on the warranty
Not if you don't tell them! 😉
Mark B The workshop will see it when it goes in for a service
I don't honestly know if it would - probably is my guess!
@@DrRobert7898 Swop it back. Only a 5 minute job. I doubt the dealer would careless anyway.....
Nah not childish at all, i thought everybody did that going under bridges ( or thru tunnels ), curious to see what effect if any it will have on your fuel consumption.
Glad it’s not just me!
Being an EFI bike with all the sensors it may not make much difference to fuel use, but it may unleash a tiny bit more power, worth keeping an eye on any changes for sure.
Almost compulsory in my view👍
@@jayharrod8647 And that is a price I'd be more than happy to pay! :-)
Getting good at this Tmf but will you sell both triumphs and get the triumph rocket 3 that would be awesome.thanks from Danny
Well I have been trying to think of ways of raising the cash for the new Rocket, but I can't imagine getting rid of any of my current bikes, space is limited and that new trumpet is darned expensive....may have to wait for the second hand market for that one :0(
Has this added any more to your insurance premium though due to slight increase in power and being a modification etc.?
I have done similar with my Duke, including a new silencer. They made a note on my policy but no increase. You must tell them though or they could refuse to pay in the event of a claim
@@EWAScotland Agreed! I tell them everything even if I change the oil filler cap!!
Good advice Jon - and great meeting you at the NEC yesterday!
I also have a DNA filter on my Interceptor and my insurer, Bikesure, have not increased my premium.
Job well done!👍
Thank you sir!
For peace of mind, I would run it up on a dyno and get the fuelling checked to make sure it's not running lean. Letting in more air means the engine will need more fuel to run optimally...
I note that many that have done this are now having to add a "booster" to fool the ECU into adding more fuel to correct for the increase in the airflow.
With the Lambda sensors in the exhaust it should be able to adapt, providing the Enfield ECU has the 'tuning range' to cope.
Yes my understanding from Tec is that they have checked their RE650 on the Dyno and all is well....
@@rayg9069 Not really. There is only a small amount of adjustment the ECU will be able to make. Remember, the manufacturers fuelling map is critically made to meet strict emission levels and even more so on an air-cooled motor as in the RE. Some ECUs only switch in the Lambda sensors when instructed to by the ECU. Most of the time it's running a predetermined map or maps. Once you remove the front cover and replace the air filter with a massively less restrictive type you are definitely going to need to increase the fuelling to compensate...
@@TheMissendenFlyer Which is why they are selling these... www.tecbikeparts.com/product/fuel-booster-plug-royal-enfield-interceptor-650/
@@grahamtricker4103 My understanding of Lambda sensors is they are sampling the exhaust for rich / lean conditions, the problem could arise I guess if it's only dynamic trim and the bike reverts to it's fuel map every start. I agree the 'tuning range of the ECU may not be wide enough. A dyno would be the sure answer.
I see you didn't allow the ECU to readjust before going out to test ride, and you left out the black plastic breather No problems ?
Nope none.....
Sorry to be off the thread however I just ordered a booster plug for my bonneville after seeing the re interceptor video now it's gone, I am going ahead and fitting it when it comes however I wonder if you have had second thoughts about the mod yourself
Nope - just that I found the white connector hiding under the seat - the video showed me plugging it into the wrong spot - I need to remake the video....but thought i should take the old one down to prevent anyone following my wrong example! Very happy with my booster plug, go for it!
the screws of air filter cover of my int 650 are so tightly shut that they won't open no matter how hard i try, i have tried spraying wd40 on them but still they won't budge, not a single one of those screws is opening 😢
Oh dear - sorry to hear that….
Are you going to try out the CRF 300?
Hope so - maybe at next years event - would be ideal!
Great video. Thanks TMF. Curious to know who is hanging around in the background, 4:15 - 5:00? 😂
Hahaha, was wondering the same thing!
Hahaha, was wondering the same thing!
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It's the Stig's Missenden cousin 😀
TMF. If you replace air filter with one of these types while bike may still need a 'Dealer service' (i.e. under 2 years old) then remember to tell dealer to leave it in there at service. Some garages will swap for OEM filter at service as they are just following instructions and you may not check under panel for months.
Yes I've been there before! Cheers....
Any chance of a video on that new exhaust???
It's coming Liam!
@@TheMissendenFlyer awesome, I'm on the fence about buying it myself!
Think theres some sort of procedure to undertake post intstallation so the ECU adapts to the greater air flow.
Yes cold start and idle for 30 seconds apparently - I wasn't aware of it until today!
Anyone knows if that placeholder thing is streetlegal in germany?
Not sure what you mean by a placeholder??
@@TheMissendenFlyer the thing you put in place for the airbox cover. The triangular thing 😂
You know I would have thought the air filter would have been more accessible on a bike such as this. I remember the bike of the 70's and 80's you just pulled the side cover off and vala there it was. 😜
Yes a bit of a faff getting the side cover off on this bike but no big deal, and if I can do it then anyone can! Thanks for watching as ever Scott....
Get yourself a Harley! They are excellent for accessibility
I suggested this mode to a friend who has an Enfield intercepter...I was staggered at the price!! I changed to a K&N filter for my Striple. I believe it cost about fifty Euros as apposed to getting on for ninety!! for the Enfield's. I understand the point about it being a 'one off job' but even so it seems very expensive. Sounds great though, I suppose anything that 'un-strangles' the engines breathing is worth it.....My Triumph Striple certainly felt to have a bit more erg...and better fuel consumption....although as we all know fuel consumption on a Bike is secondary to the sound it makes.....
Absolutely Brian!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I've watch many of your videos. Excellent in content and the way you present them. My personal favourite in your stable is the 'Duke'. I owned a 900ss years ago ...the bevel drive V-twin...I fear my body is no longer supple enough for the Sports/racer style so all I can do now is look and appreciate that Italian Stallion. Like you I do ride a Triumph Street Triple...(Its easier on the ageing body)..Great Motorcycle.
Any effect on fuel consumption?
Haven't ridden with it enough to notice yet....
Love the Marigolds, do they come with the Kit?
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I have a K&N filter fitted (by dealer) and regularly get fault "Air intake temperature sensor". Have to reset using OBD reader. It's then OK for a few weeks before returning.
Anyone else having this issue.
Would have been nice to see a before and after on a dyno to see how much difference the swap has made. Induction noise gains are always nice though!
If only I had access to a dyno!
@@TheMissendenFlyer A man with your connections? There must be one not too far away surely.......
Booster plug next then?
Dunno, will see how she runs long term....
I see that you have not got blanking plugs for your old mirror position, maybe you should have a look at SP Engineering, as they do cnc ones that are anodised black and look very smart...just a thought
...actually I do have blanking plugs now - well spotted and thanks all the same...
We were in London over the weekend and a Royal Enfield, a newish model, passed by in Oxford Street of all places and the noise it made seemed disproportionately loud to the look of the bike. Maybe it was a 500cc but it had obviously had a decat or something. I thought the very loud sound made it seem a bit silly. Reflecting afterwards I thought well at least traffic will hear him coming...
I love the sound they make - juvenile I know....
I fitted a K&N in my bike
Think it may of lost a little bit of induction sound because less back pressure. Can’t really notice any power gain from riding . Tho filter easy to wash out soon pays for it’s self .
Back pressure is produced from the exhaust. Not the air filters. A ‘performance’ air filter on its own shall help with airflow and ‘might’ give you a couple of extra HP if you’re lucky and you ‘might’ feel the engine being a little more responsive, but you’re never going to feel any more power at the wheel or through the seat of the pants. Most engines are already set up with about as much performance as you’re ever going to get without major work. Some bikes that use a detuned engine from another model can react well to small changes. I had a Kawasaki ZRX1200R (detuned ZZR1200 engine) that gave 110hp at the wheel, but with K&N pod filters, stage3 jets (carbs not injection) and a full Akropovic system showed 130hp at the rear wheel. This Enfield is unlikely to show any power improvement with this modification. It’ll make it sound a bit more interesting but that’s about all. If TMF puts a freer flowing set of pipes on as well, then there may possibly be a noticeable (albeit small) difference. I’m looking forward to that ‘and’ this project in general.
Are you going to fit the Power plug as well? Supposed to help with throttle lag, TEC bike parts had a video about it, bike sounds ace by the way.
No plans at the moment but we'll see.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer I bet you do, it is a must have goodie, haha.
Hi, pity they didn't radius the new clamp's edges by making it in half-moon section. The overshoot effect of those three 'cliff edges' facing one another, as vast amounts of drawn air goes yodelling down the hole in gleeful abandon, could well induce a surprising amount of turbulence at the filter's entrance. (Three sides arguing about 'who gets what' from the trough? - huh, sounds like Brexit . . . I'll get my coat : )
After fitting the filter, startup the bike and do not rev it. Let it run for 10min. This will let the ECU to reprogram itself to allow for the extra air. If you don't do that it's using the old settings which is not good.
So a few people have said....I wasn’t aware of that procedure....presumably you can do it at anytime (run the bike at idle) to reset the ecu?
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes, anytime..
Oh btw..I sent you an email regarding a little clock mount for the int650 last week. Not sure if you got it
Bike sounds good TMF, and revving through tunnels is obligatory!. Are you having a test ride on the Tenere 700....? Most dealers have demo bikes now. Cheers, Steve
I need to sort that out!
Changing the air filter ok.But changing the air box requires a remap,i would think?
I'll check in with Tec...
All you need to do is let the bike tick over for 10 minutes without reving it.Your ecu is a learning one.
Amber reflector is definitely a California requirement, probably a USA DOT requirement because all cars have them also.
I noticed you have removed the fender extender, surely that's a move backwards!
Nah, it looked naff!
Form over function in this case ...
Last 2 vids and no vans what's goin on
....I blame global warming....
Do you own a subwoofer, like the ones in home cinema setups?
The port through which the sounds comes out looks small doesn't it?
It works using the Helmholtz resonance principal to boost the sound's lower frequencies. If you drilled holes in the subwoofer, to make it "breathe better" it would sound much, much lower because the resonance effect would be lost.
Something similar happens in the airbox . In order to achieve a higher volumetric efficiency the Helmholtz principal is used in designing the airbox, hence that small looking air intake opening.
Just think about it for a second:
Don't you find it strange that model after model, brand after brand, motorcycle manufacturers can't get the airbox right?
Not even Honda, BMW, Ducati or any other manage, with all their know-how and resources, to get it right?
And it's such a simple mistake that anyone with a pocket knife and no technical or engineering knowledge can fix it?
Just how much air does it actually need???
Anyway, take care, ride safe
Thanks for watching and for stopping by!
Agree in principle, but then look at race bikes, ram tubes with no filter at all.
Manufacturers are balancing performance, noise, emissions, engine stability over wide operating conditions and long service life. The filter and airbox is a compromise to achieve acceptable results in all areas, they do a bloody good job of it as well.
@@rayg9069 Race bikes use the exact same principle, they just shift the resonance frequency to a very high RPM at the cost of a very narrow power band.
And those ram air intakes use diverging ducts to exchange the air speed for air pressure. That is also what happens in a normal, apparently "restricted" air box. Air that rushes in at high speed into a larger cavity gets to a higher-than-atmospheric pressure state. Obviously, there's a limit and a compromise to this effect.
This all process is somewhat counter intuitive but that is how it works.
Do you know if this affects the warranty? My local dealer said I would lose my 3 year warranty if I change the filter on my interceptor. I'm pretty upset by it because it looks like it was a decision made by some dickhead at corporate.
...I didn't ask - I suspect you may be right....
@@TheMissendenFlyer it was a strange conversation because everyone at the dealership, including the mechanic who is like a moto wizard, said it would be fine. Then they made a call to the office they report to, just to be safe, and that's when I got the bad news. So as someone who use to work on the other side of things, it may be the case that it's simply bad info. At least that is my hope. If anyone else has asked I'd appreciate them posting about it.
The RE grows on me visually more each time I see it, and cheap as chips too......
Yes a great value machine - love mine!
Do you wear your ear plugs when riding the Interceptor?
Always a compromise between protecting your hearing and enjoying the lovely sound of exhaust, etc.
What exhaust have you got on your bike?
I do - I try and always where earplugs whatever bike I'm on....the exhaust is from Tec Bike parts.....
Never throw original parts away, you never know you might need it one day
...I admit it - I didn't actually throw it away, just filed it...
I doubt you’ll see any gains without a remap and to be honest if you’ve changed air flow I would remap it. Manufacturers tend to ship their bikes a bit lean to beat emissions testing and changing the air filter is only gonna make it leaner.
I got my MT-07 remapped with Wiz Performance for £150. Just send the ECU in the post.
“a bit lean” - there’s a polite understatement 😂
Have you noticed on the RE site it's claimed that the Intercepter is the UK's top selling bike 🤔
No I hadn’t noticed - it is certainly in the top 3 behind the Honda PCX and BMW GS as far as I know....
Surely if you are bringing in that much more air you would need the ecu re-mapped?.....
Possibly so - I'm going to fit the booster plug next to make the mixture a little more rich....
for those who do not know, always blow filters from inside out in the 70's i worked on gear with filters half the size of a mini car, dust kills engines
Except that the Royal Enfield twins are reverse flow, the center of the filter is the dirty side the outer in the air box is the clean side. It's done that way so dirt trapped is held in the filter when it's taken out and doesn't drop into the airbox.
Good call Ray!
@@rayg9069h ok, well I was talking in general terms, all good thanks
@@stuarthearn3862 In general you are correct, just pointing out a gotcha that is becoming more common specially on motor cycles. ;-)
@@rayg9069 YES, I had a 69 Norton 650ss, duel Amel carbs no filters, i was young, NZ roads are sometimes just gravel, bike lasted 4900 miles, later I served apprenticeship Cummins eng co, the filters are the most important asset, when it comes to life of the mill, another trick, put a light in it, if there are perforations the light will show, big money these big filters.
You can hear the airflow.
Wouldnt bin any original parts of your bikes.Keep them.Many traditionalist like all original parts on their bikes if you come to sell in future years.
Jimmy Mac yup, good advice indeed. I have an ever growing box full of original bits 👍🙂
Well me too actually - including for bikes I no longer have...rest assured I didn't actually bin the original bits...
Today my just turned three year old grandson was playing with his toy mechanic’s set. While he was screwing and unscrewing stuff together and apart, I heard him whisper, “Lefty loosely; righty tighty.” I think I’ve ruined him.
Really?! Brilliant....
well at least your air filter is not a pain in the ass to move like my bike. Honda for some reason decided it was a great idea to put electric cables in the way
Crikey - which Honda?
The Goldwing air filter change is a video worth watching
@@TheMissendenFlyer its a honda cmx500
what a pain. a lot easier on my old 82 Honda. lol the new xsr700 also becomes a job
"Gunk"?!?! On a TMF Steed?! I'm afraid, Sir, I must challenge you to a duel. ;)
Challenge accepted!
Christ, that fisheye lense makes skinny jeans look stick skinny jeans ;)
Well I have thin legs!
@@TheMissendenFlyer me too bro, it's a burden
@@TheMissendenFlyer You never see fat legs on a cockerel, just saying lol