History of the MAMAS & the PAPAS part two |
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Part two continues with the Mamas and Papas story and their heavy involvement in producing the Monterey Pop Festival in the summer of 1967. The joy created from this festival did not last and the group faltered. Solo careers followed and the sad death of Cass Elliot. Matt puts the myth on Cass's death to death and goes into detail with clips of many of their best songs and deep cuts.
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As someone who grew up when the Mamas and Papas hit big on AM radio in the 60's I believe their influence on pop music has been underestimated. Cass was a great talent who never really got her due. A good appreciation.
Matt, this Mamas and Papas series has been music journalism at it's finest from start to finish. Pure excellence.
I appreciate that, Scott! Thank you.
16:11 - "By this time they probably all had Hep C". Been watching your videos for years and I don't believe I have ever laughed so hard. 🤣🤣🤣
Matt, Thanks for exposing the sandwich death bell.
This is one of my favorite series you ever did. This was my father’s favorite group as a young man and he died last year. I have taken over the mantle of fandom and it has been a pleasure getting autographs from Michelle Phillips and getting to know John and Michele’s daughter Chynna and Cass’s daughter Owen thank you once again.
My pleasure, Michael.
As someone who lived through these times, I can say with confidence that these "History Of.." series of yours is the most in depth & informative series on 60's music on all of RUclips. Thank you for the effort & time. Great job!
That is very kind of you to say, Bob. I do put my heart into these and I so pleased people are appreciated the deep dives.
Great video Matt! Cass was a stellar entertainer, sharp as a tack, and had one of the best voices ever. So, I really appreciate you breaking down the media coverage debacle that surrounded her death.
Great job Matt. Cass Elliot deserved better. It touches me that she made a last call to Michelle. Thanks for all your well researched histories. I always look forward to them and learn much about my favorite bands I didn’t know. Cheers Matt.
Matt, another great episode! When I saw the running time, my reaction was wow, 48 minutes but it flew by. It was never boring. Terrific job.
Thank you, Carol - that is high praise.
the Mamas and the Papas were the greatest folk pop rock music groups from the 1960's i just turned 60 on the 14th and i grew up
listening to them on AM radio during the 1970's as a kid and they
are a very magnificent group thank you.🎶🎤🎸🎸🎹🥁🎶
thanks again for a great video, you channel is probably the only one I always watch from start to finish.
That is a high compliments, Harry. Thank you.
Matt, in this day and age of AI-generated fluff without substance, your deep dives and careful research about these bands are so appreciated!
Thank you, Ken. That is good to hear.
I saw the reconstituted Mamas & Papas with John, Scott McKenzie, Spanky McFarlane & Mackenzie Phillips in Philadelphia years ago & even got John & Scott to autograph a paper for me. It's sooooo long ago i don't remember how they sounded. I did enjoy the show.
I'm 70-years-old. Great series on them. I appreciate your research.
Thank you, Joseph.
Great series Matt!! Very well done. Thank you for clarifying Cass Elliot's death.
I love that you got into the sandwich bit. I am a millennial and I somehow knew the rumor she choked on a sandwich. It’s crazy how much legs these sensational myths have over time even.
Wowwwww Matt ! This was so good ! Another episode with fantastic research and background… even for me as an original M’s & P’s fan … I learned so many things I did not know !!!! Thank you again ! 🌸🎶☮️
Thank you, Lynda that is a very nice compliment.
Matt is a master of condensing a bigger story to fit the format he works with without cutting corners. Excellent!
Thanks for another great history video. These four were vocal craftsmen that were without peers in the sixties. One thing I remember about the sixties was that you never knew what was around the corner, musically.
Terrific Matt. The breakdown of their finances vis a vis Dunnhill was revelatory. You always do such a great job revealing the back half of the careers of these bands.... Denny once did an interview up here in Canada and talked about how he got sober and how tough the road was for John. I will never forget his words. It helped plant the seed for me getting sober years later. I always regretted not thanking him. On a different weird tangent, their set was great from Monterey, however, I wish someone would also have released the Association's set from Monterey. Windy and ACM sound terrific from that first night.
Thanks, Kell. I'm glad to hear Denny was a help to you. I agree with the Association's set being worth releasing.
Congratulations, Matt, for one more very good video.
Excellent episode, again! I LOVE Mama Cass's first album but it's hard to find on CD.
Excellent portrait of The Mamas and the Papas. The photo montage of Monterey featuring Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, etc was wonderully assembled. And thank you for reminding me of what a high level celebrity Mama Cass had become at the time of her tragic death. Oh yes and according to my brother the best thing Denny Doghtery ever did was Theodre Tugboat.
I appreciate the kind words, Delmo.
Matt love these because I always learn so much about music that Im barely or mildly familiar with. Ive been heavily into the Byrds since I saw that series. Thanks for everything you do
Wow Matt, just wonderful series! So much information. Thanks you for all your work on this!
Thanks Jilly!
Your usual very high standard, Matt. Many thanks.
I appreciate that - thank you.
Great post! And thanks for spending time on Monterey Pop. 1967 was a much rosier time time than 1968, which stirred up the public's feelings, often contradictory, from events like the assassinations of RFK and Martin Luther King, a divisive presidential race, and in January, Hanoi's Tet offensive which prompted Walter Conkite (our CBS uncle who always told the truth, so we thought) to criticize the war on the evening news. (Remember that there were only 3 channels in '68). Crowds at concerts were more politicized, and plans for a second Monterey Pop festival were nixed by area conservatives who criticized the '67 Festival as the rock and roll brought sex and drugs (!!!)near their homes.
Yeah, the Monterey weekend was truly the end of an era.
A superb ‘two parter’, thanks for all your work on this Matt 🙏
My pleasure, Nick.
This has to be your best band history, Matt! Well done!
Thank you!
Thanks for another couple of thoroughly researched videos. Looking forward to more in depth stories.
Thank you cree8!
Great job Matt. Educational. Great voices sound as one.
Thanks for this ,love it
Thanks, from s.w. Washington state.❤🙋♂️👍
Very good one, Matt. Congrats.
Mama Cass’s Make Your Own Kind of Music is one of my favorite songs of all time.
That is a beautiful anthem, very moving and perfect for her voice and persona!
Our drummer choked on someone else's vomit (Spinal Tap). Another excellent piece.
Excellent follow up to part I with an excellent album AND book review.
Seldom mentioned is the song, Different performed by Cass Elliot in the 1970 movie, Pufnstuf based on the TV series, HR Pufnstuf. I love that song. I was 9 years old when I saw the movie and the song really touched me as I was quite an awkward kid who had a hard time fitting in. It's worth checking out. Easy to find on you tube.
Yes, I liked that song too. You are the only other person I have ever heard mention that song.
Great stuff as always Matt!
May I suggest Herman's Hermits next?
Matt...Just outstanding history presentation. Keep them coming.
Will do, Kent!
Cass Eliot remains my favorite female singer. I have a fondness for her work with The Mugwumbs❤ "Everybody's Talkin" is a sweet Beatles-like song. She is missed, believe me
You know your stuff and set the facts in place. Well done.
San Francisco by Scott Mackenzie is the ultimate 60s summer song
Great episodes, I've learnt so much about the band. Thank you 😊
Yeah I echo many of the comments here this is one of my very favorite channels on RUclips
Thank you, Brutus!
Awesome video Matt have you a great day ❤😊
An outstanding documentary, Matt. Painstakingly researched and presented in your usual enjoyable way . Thank you and congratulations.
Many thanks! I appreciate it, Ric.
Excellent production Matt. Thanks!
What a great detailed examination of this group! You should write your own book.
I may do that! Thanks Dave.
Thanks Matt for this awesome part two on The Mamas and The Papas. I learned some things I didn't know about them. Looking forward to your next music docs.
Thank you! Plenty more to come.
Love this story telling Matt!
Thank you, Sar.
Excelent video to review the history of the "Mama and the Papas"part 1 and ll Matt.I always consider their early albums the most important and best albums of the group.
You're aces, Matt. I never get tired of watching things on the Mamas and the Papas, especially excellent, well-produced docs such as yours.
Thank you, Farrell!
Another great two part-er! The coverage of Monterey Pop was awesome. Maybe there are festival videos in the works???!
Yes! I have started laying out a 1960s festivals series which needs more thought. But I think I will do it.
great job Matt!
Great job Matt, their story is incredible and also incredibly sad when it comes to Cass - who let’s face it had a great voice and knew how to use it. John’s dissent into hard drugs shows that too much success may not be good for anyone. They deserve their place in history and John’s work for the Monterey Pop Festival lives on - definitely the best festival of the sixties.
Cheers.
Thank you, Ed.
Even when I think I know a lot about a particular 60's group, you never fail to impress with a very informative and enjoyable band biography. I particularly appreciated how you started the entire story going back to The Journeymen. What has impresses me most about the Mamas and the Papas is the legacy they left behind after only three years of existence (and contentious years at that). Hard to think of any band with a similar resume in such a short period of time. (And they did not have the benefit of notable solo careers that might have carried the music forward - I consider the "New Mamas and Papas" to be a rather marginal substitute to the real thing.)
Great video Matt!
great overview, i always liked this group since i found an album of their's in my parents collection. About 20 years ago i got the complete anthology set. 4 cds cover the barry mcguire and solo material.
Excellent work!
Great group. Great video!
Well done! Really enjoyed this series!
I love their appearance at Monterey Pop Festival. Although the performance is ragged, and the harmonies in particular are pretty rough sounding, it still manages to exude charm and even optimism, and Cass' between-song banter is a hoot from start to finish. They hated the fact that it was released as an album, and as an album it is indeed pretty subpar. But if you want to get some of that Summer of Love feeling, its really a pretty fun set to hear. Really enjoyed these episodes!
God bless Cass.
Excellent!
Excellent video. Great job!
I'm glad you emphasized the true story of Cass Elliot's death and trashed that sandwich story. I also agree that Farewell To the First Golden Era was a terrible album title. I remember distinctly that everybody interpreted that as meaning they had broken up (despite a blurb on the album about them just needing to take a break).
Great stuff as usual, Matt!
Just sittin' here looking for something to watch, and this pops up. Bitchin'!
Here we go...
A sad end - but a fine review Matt.
Thanks for the details on Cass' passing. However, shame on you for leaving out her appearance in the HR Pufnstuf movie LOL LOL
Matt, you always do such good work. Even when I am not too interested in a group that you are doing a video on, I find myself wanting more. That's why I am a Patrion member!
I appreciate that, thank you.
My takeaway from this series, is that The Mamas and the Papas, through their association with Lou Adler and Dunhill Records, had creative control, enjoyed the fruits of their labor, and had all the benefits of their own label, something their contemporaries all struggled to achieve. The Mamas and The Papas had their business side taken care of in a tidy fashion. The foundation John and Michelle Philips established through the Monterey Pop Festival, still benefits public school music programs in Monterey County, CA. I might also add that the DVD of The Monterey Pop Festival is excellent, and includes performances that did not make it into the movie.
Thanks Pete, I may do a video on the DVD at some point.
Awesome, thx Matt! Found Part 2 particularly edifying & entertaining as I'd for all intents & purposes stopped following them much beyond 1970. Had a copy of "Deliver" when it came out & wore out several copies thereafter, same on CD, still amongst my favorites transcending genre's, era's....
Thanks for watching, Steve!
When this started I thought "Why does Matt have that thick stack of albums in the frame? The Mamas and the Papas only put out a couple of albums." Oh how little we know...! This was exceptional Matt, a big thank you. I'm 63 years old, remember their heyday well. Still miss Cass Elliot, I've seen that clip of her singing with John Denver on The Midnight Special 50 times, it never gets old. Neither do you Matt, apparently. 😊 Honestly, thanks again. 🎉 PS. Now on to your prequel, The Journeymen! ❤❤❤🎉🎉😊
Hey Doug! Thanks for checking out the Journeymen. I appreciate the kind words.
The 2CD set of the complete singles from Real Gone Music is essential. It has all of the original mono singles mixes that got played on the radio (including the B-sides). It even includes several of the solo singles and tracks from People Like Us. It serves as a perfect “greatest hits” compilation, as it includes all of the hits. In great sound too!
Hey man, I'm really enjoying your videos, you have one of the best rock n roll channels out there!
Love the Mamas and Papas, one of my favorite bands.
I would love to see you do a history of The Hollies video on here.
Thank you! I have thought about The Hollies and that could be a fun one.
@@popgoesthe60s52 Anytime! Yeah I agree, they're my favorite band, and they had some very underrated, progressive albums.
I really appreciate the reply.
This is yet another very well-made video, and I'm glad to have seen it. About Rolling Stone printing an already-debunked false narrative of the ham sandwich, I'm reminded of how a reviewer wrote a good review of Paul McCartney's Ram album, and then was ordered to write a BAD review of it. They ran the bad review. Rolling Stone is not as respectable as some might think.
You’re right. Their journalistic credibility was questionable from the start.
I just came across your page last night and i really enjoyed this mini series of the mamas and papas ❤ Also thank you for your highlight on Cass's passing, she was so talented 😢
I'm definitely going to have to binge a few more videos❤ Also would you be able to do a video on Janis Joplin? I refound her music and am surprised I don't see more videos or info about her and from just the 2 I've seen you would do her story justice. I love your channel!
Thank you Carmelo. I have a very long list of artists to cover so stay tuned!
@@popgoesthe60s52 I will be here! 💖
One omission is Cass's acting and having a featured song 'Different' in the H R Pufnstuf movie (1971)
I do have that soundtrack too!
Informative and entertaining as always Matt!
The cover of Papas and Mamas should be in the WACHOF (Worst Album Cover Hall of Fame).
Ouch.
Have you considered doing a video on worst album covers by successful bands? MIght be a lot of fun (just a suggestion). The sixties were nothing if not kitschy !
Cheers
That a good suggestion. I may do that - Thanks!
Rolling Stone has never been reputable.
Chuck Berry famously refused the Monterey pop festival because in his words, he doesn’t do *anything* for free!
FYI....the track "Make Your Own Kind Of Music" by Mama Cass got quite a bit of exposure in a couple of episodes in 2005 in the TV show "LOST".
I had forgotten about that! Thanks for the addition.
As an original M&P's fan, I stopped listening to their work before MontereyPop happened... Now I hear why; none of their post '67 material sounds particularly compelling to me, especially when considered in the context of the pop/rock/folk scene of the time.
Thanx very much for this discussion, which spans my teen yrs!
My pleasure, Fred.
Cass's song 'Different' is a great one ... from the HR Pufnstuf movie, of all things.
Excellent overview of a underrated band. Big fan of the Cass Elliott & Dave Mason album! Have to disagree with you on John Phillips " Wolf King" record. It's definitely in my top 5 of LA country rock albums. Appreciate all the work you put into your videos. PLAY LOUD
I appreciate the comments, Minister. More to come!
I know the M&P's performance at Monterey was not considered to be one of their best, but it's ragged and wild and fits in perfectly with the time.
Twelve thirty... hard to believe it didn't make it to number one...
16:09 Who knew Steven Tyler was a member of the Mamas & the Papas! 😂
Great retrospect. The only thing I would have added was Denny Doherty's 1974 album "Waiting For A Song". Michelle and Cass did backing vocals and songs like 'Simone' and 'Together' had a wonderful Mamas and Papas sound. I believe it was Cass's last studio performance before she passed away.
Thanks for that. That is one LP I don't have.
Supposedly all the Dunhill music tapes that were used for recording hits by the mamas and the Papas and groups like Three Dog Night were totally destroyed in a fire. I am guessing that many of the re-issues are actually second generation masters.
Great telling of the history of one of my early favorite groups. Typo at 35:55: cariac vs. cardiac.
Thanks for letting me know.
To be honest, I’m really surprised how low their chart positions were from 1967 onwards. I’d assumed that their popularity had held up pretty well throughout their career.
Anyway, great episode yet again.
I never heard JP's version of that song (Me & My Uncle).
Love every Dead version of it I've heard though.
They really put their own "stamp" on that one.
Thanks for another great overview, Matt. As a kid growing up in the 70's I distinctly remember Mama Cass as a TV celebrity well before I knew she'd been in the Mamas & the Papas. I'm still not a fan of this group, but yikes -- the way the label flogged all those old songs just to try to make another buck or two.... Maybe it's better these days now that the labels are all dead!
Hey Matt! I loved your recap of the whole M&P's story!!
I have some info regarding the People Like Us sessions...
As you mention, John was in full control of the engineering of the album, and at first, Cass very prominent throughout the whole tracklist of the album, but by last minute decision of John, he erased her from many parts or even songs, like in the single Step Out (it's up to us to judge why). Later in 2010 a compilation album came out that contains full remixes of the PLU recordings. I am not sure if they were left as John pretended back in 71, or they were manipulated in some way, but the importance is that Cass' voice can be really heard, and honestly, I prefere some of them much more than the originals... You can find these remixes on youtube, in Reese Scott's channel!
Thanks again ☺
That’s fascinating, and I’ll check out Reese Scott’s channel. Thanks!
FYI You should let the viewers know what you're drinking so we can join you in your imbibe-acation . PS Thanks for another stellar informative video Matt.
Really nice research there regarding the Dunhill deal, as well as the sandwich myth, and everything else---as usual! Thanks.
Thanks Joey!
Well documented as always, awesome deep dive! I just thought my Dad was being rude when I was a kiddo explaining Cass' demise (clearly he was sort of, but always wondered). TOTALLY forgot about the Mackenzie Phillips connection, always felt terrible for what she went through.
Great show as usual. I heard that John was upset with the recording of "Dream A Little Dream Of Me"
Thanks Harry. He wasn't upset about the recording, just that Dunhill billed it as Mama Cass of the Mamas and Papas. Denny and Michelle were not pleased either.
Really enjoyed pt 2 .the cd i have is the creeque alley 2 cd anthology .its sad that only michelle is living from the 4