Where do you think this crap is coming from? She's 80 and still exploiting using and spreading her holes. Oh look I found out who knocked up mama cass. Some soul sister.
John wrote all the songs and Denny had a powerful voice. this band is one case where all their vocals created the perfect melody… And if even one person stepped out it through the vocals off…. Except Michelle, she was mostly an ornament. They need to make a movie out of this… And Fleetwood Mac. The only two bands whose entire catalog is about 💊 and cheating with their band mates.
@@ckotcher1 Nah... what Michelle "lacked" with her singing ability she amply made up for with charisma. Her singing had personality and she could actually sing... but wouldn't compare her pipes with Cass'... I know she didn't either. Characterizing Michelle as an "ornament" is not accurate... I'll leave that designation for self-describing Pamela Morrison.
The very worst thing what happen to Cass was the affair between Denny & Michelle. She had been in love with him for years. She told Michelle you could have any man why would you take the one person I love. That was a massive divide in the band. They both had now destroyed every person in the band. They were at the height of their fame. Cass was the only person that had a true heart in that whole group. I just wish she would have had more time with Owen and saw much more success. When she died she was solo and packing in the crowds. Sad end to a beautiful voice and soul.
Let's not get carried away. Mama Cass had a nice contralto voice and was given a few songs to sing lead, Denny Doherty was the main singer and John Phillips was a great songwriter. Cass supplied sweet harmony.
Moma Cass didn’t die in a hotel room. She had been lent Harry Nilsson’s Mayfair apartment, and in a further act of tragedy, he lent it to the Who’s Keith Moon, who died there also a few years later. I like this narrator, but he omitted the truly awful behaviour of John Philips, who was his daughter MacKensie’s “lover” for over a decade, well into her twenties. Perhaps our narrator was unaware of just how awful this man was, or merely wished to spare us the ghastly details.
I guess he wanted to edit things down to mostly focus on Michelle. Plus, by the time it happened, he and Michelle weren't as connected as in their early years. I think the scriptwriter would have also had to wrestle with Michelle's attitude with McKenzie's revelation of her abuse. A lot of her family called her a liar, which sadly happens with abuse victims. The victim starts falling down a rabbit hole of destructive behaviors due to their trauma and the family starts thinking of them as a 'problem.' Then, when the abuse is revealed, they think that the victim is lysing or attention-seeking and are unsupportive and disbelieving, furthering the trauma. I don't know if Michelle has become more supportive in future years, but it is a tough dynamic to portray in a short bio. It does, however, add some counterpoint to the notion that, later in life, she became this caretaker and champion of her extended family.
He also didn't want to add the ghastly details of all of them, friends to chas manson, drug dealing, psychotic individuals who were doing things I can't say on here. But Dave MacGowan did. Look up the truth of these laurel canyon creeps.
Weird. The hook to get us to watch was about Cass Elliot but the video is really the Michelle Phillips story. We didn't find out anything about Cass as one of the Mugwumps or her interest in musical theatre or her own Variety TV show or her great appearances on Carol Burnett's and Johnny Cash's show. It's a pity that we didn't because I was more interested in knowing about her than Michelle. 🙃
@@surfernorm6360 No, the title said it was about who was the father of Cass baby and ended up being about Michelle Phillips who was a secondary member of the group. The title was misleading click bait to draw people in to read it. If you can’t figure that out from the false title, YOU need to learn to learn to read.
@@BethyKable I don't give a crap about any of this one was or another. But the title is "Michelle Phillips Exposed Her Bandmate's Secret" the Author Has Cass's story in another content so look it up if you need too. Its clear that the story is about what Michelle said. Your pissed off becasue you like Cass. Thats not really relevant. if you understood social media and specially you tube you would know that its more than clickbait its to hold you for 10 or 20 minutes that writers get paid for. Well the author already did Cass's story before and still had material left so he wrote a story your not happy with. Thats fine but the life of mama Cass is not what this story is about its about what Michell revealed. and he did filler about michell to hold viewers
You know you grow up looking at the smiling faces of bands like The Mommasand The Pappas. Then this mass media videos ruin everything. I always thought that ABBA was this happy band where the members married each other. Yesterdays video ruined that. I know ignorance is bliss, I just wished I could have stayed ignorant a bit longer.
Not a Michelle fan. She had only a regular voice, where Cass had a spectacular voice. Always thought Michelle was jealous and willing to cause as much jealousy and strife as possible.
Yes, I expected to learn more about Cass, the others were set pieces. And after decades I couldn't give two straws about John or Michelle Phillips. Talk about screwups who inflicted their debottury on their own children. I also am under the impression, by Mackenzie, who is a lifetime friend of Cass's daughter, that her daughter learned the truth of who her father was/is. ✌️🌷💝
Michelle Phillips is a narcissist who went after whoever and whatever she wanted. She felt zero guilt about breaking up John's marriage to Susan and none for breaking Mama Cass's heart by having an affair with Denny. I don't agree with commenters who say that she had a beautiful voice. She was almost tone deaf and learned her parts note by note. It's particularly obvious when you watch footage of her vocals alone or with her vocals isolated. She was pretty and that was enough to help propel the group to stardom. In a stroke of karma, she married a man who was as horrific as he was talented.
Mama Cass, the epitome of the 60s🌼such a beautiful woman inside and out she sang from the soul, I recently discovered she was on an episode of the Carol Burnett show, she had a comical side to her as well, she was so multi talented, we don't have anyone like that today as a matter of fact they are the opposite "talentless".
For those that don't know who Chuck Day was, he was much more than a studio musician. He played with Johnny Rivers and came up with the catchy guitar riff in "Secret Agent Man" as well as other great guitar lines. He had a really easy way with a guitar and none the notes he played were forced. The footage of him at 19:05 was taken at 19 Broadway in Fairfax Ca. Chuck was a bartender there and was well known in the Fairfax music scene. I'm not sure how but pretty much everyone knew that Owen was his daughter with Mama Cass. After he passed away (after his third heart attack) there was a memorial at 19 Broadway and Owen was present. That was the only time I ever saw her.
James is my favourite narrator on this channel - always watch his episodes, regardless of the celebrity. Thank you, James, for another interesting story 😀 👍🏻
I sure wish these RUclips would cut out all the bullshit history and just get to the point. Its supposedly a video on who fathered Cass Elliot’s daughter not the life of Michelle Phillips as that is what the majority of this video is
"San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers In Your Hair)" was not 'their' song. It was written by John Phillips, but given to his long-time friend, Scott McKenzie. Scott had a terrific range as a vocalist, and had been one of "The Journeymen". He even became a 'Papa' in later configurations of the band. He and I became good friends in his last couple of years, so I had to set that record straight. Just a minor quibble - I love your channel. A bit of trivia: Their song, "Twelve Thirty", was written by John ABOUT Scott, and his struggle to adjust to the sudden fame he experienced when "San Francisco (BStWFIYH)" hit the charts.
Michelle's childhood friend was the daughter of the LA Coroner, who's son wrote a book, saying as an LA police detective, he solved the "Black Dahlia" murder - it was his father, emulating in live/death one of his BFFs Man Rays' photos. I live in Los FEliz LA as did Michelle and Tamar Hodel. The Hodel's lived in a very famous home on Franklin Avenue, built by the son of Frank Lloyd Wright. Great storytelling. I ended up working with Michelle when she was on Knott's Landing.
George Hodel M.D. was not the "L.A. Coroner" he was the V.D. (Venereal Disease( Czar of L.A. County Health Department. Tamar Hodel was my half-sister and did become Michelle's "Best Friend" and both took off from Holllywood to San Francisco and the rest is "history." Steve Hodel Det. III LAPD Hollywood Homicide (ret.)
Michelle sought the information at Mama Cass's daughter's request...as she, the daughter, understandably, wanted to know who her biological father is/was...
Cass Elliot - Dream a Little Dream of Me. Will never forget that song, those times. I was a little kid who longed to look like Michelle Phillips, because I was the opposite. Ethnic looking. Not 'in' in those days. Made me cry because it was hopeless to even try growing my hair long and parting it in the middle. Though I did. Now I'm soooo grateful not to be like any of them - whatever the talent or looks. Wouldn't want any of their lives. But I still enjoy the music - wistfully.
@@keetonplace She had a marvelous voice and a joyous personality. Michelle Phillips may have had the acceptable beauty of the times, but I don't believe she had any musical talent. And she had the personality of a sheet of paper.
@@lmc2375 At eight, it's hard to know who you are. You don't, at least I didn't, understand the whole ethnicity and class thing. Only knew I was not liked. And I wanted to be liked. Now? As I said, I know they're the ones that chose to live sorry lives and do not deserve respect.
Good job, on the chronological presentation, compatible imaging, and storyline!! (Without redundancy and repetitiveness, too...) One of your best, to date!! 🙂
I hate that "John" wrote one of my favorite songs by the Dead... He was truly one troubled dude. Cass should have finished school and conquered the world on her own.
For what it's worth, I've dealt with Michelle Phillips as a client in recent years when I was doing a part-time pet care job. I've never known her to be anything but nice, welcoming, and down-to-earth. And she really loves her dog.
@@InnerMittenSignalThat’s ridiculous. You have zero evidence to prove that lie. Over 90% of inmates in US prisons are ‘Christian’. Only 0.04% of inmates are atheists. The Bible doesn’t teach anything about morality. If you read it with an honest and open mind you’d see how the biblical god is a serial mass murderer that loves genocide, misogyny, rape, incest, infanticide, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, torture and issued laws stating if a girl doesn’t yell loud enough while being raped she must be stoned to death. Another says fathers can sell daughters into slavery. Another says if a groom learns his bride isn’t a virgin on their wedding night she must be stoned to death that night. A goat herder in those times knew nothing about gynecology. There was no way to tell if a female is a virgin. Hymens get torn or they were never there. So your god says a girl who tore her hymen or was born without one should be murdered. How can Christians consider these barbaric commands by their god MORAL? And let’s not forget that law stating if a man rapes a girl the rapist isn’t punished. The girl is punished for the rest of her life because your god’s law says the girl must marry the rapist and be raped the rest of her life. Your god is beyond immoral. That sick (imaginary) entity is a psychopathic monster. And lastly, your god sent his so-called ‘chosen people to murder entire towns of men, women, children, toddlers and babies. But they spared the girls so they could enslave the girls and force them to marry the same sick chosen-ones who murdered their entire families. Your gif had his goons invade towns and slice to death everyone with swords and knives then drug the terrified girls over the bloodied bodies of all the people she lived in her life. How can Christians condone these sick, vile immoral acts against others? The biblical god is an immoral monster. Stop lying about your delusional cult. You and your disturbing religion have hurt and killed people since it was founded. Before lying to others get evidence. If you don’t have any credible evidence why are you saying things you know nothing of! If you can tell I am angry at Christians who constantly try to shove their delusions on others. Your sick cult caused a dear friend to slash her wrists. She had the Bible bashed into her head since birth. Sge had a war going on in her head. She was taught to believe every good thought she had was god. And every bad thought was the devil. The only way she could get away was to kill herself. Because of the way she felt you Christians would’ve had her burned at the stake at one time. I drove 450 miles every weekend for two years to visit her in the state hospital. She received secular therapy to purge her mind of all the religious abuse she was exposed to. I checked her out of the mental hospital on weekend days. She told me I saved her life. In the two years in the hospital not one member of her Christian family visited, wrote or called her. Not one person in a 3,000 congregation Baptist church visited, called or wrote during those two years. I’m an atheist and I was there for a friend. Not one Christian was. I went to her church once. It was a hate fest. The preacher was extremely abusive to the congregation. And he was citing his rage directly from that disgusting Bible. I sat next to my friend but after a few minutes into that preacher’s abusing ravings I told my friend I am not going to subject myself to this abuse. I got up and walked out the side doors of the church. Then as I walked down a hall to the exit three women walked toward me saying “where do you think you’re going?” I told them I’m going outside because if there is a real god he’d be out there and not in this sick cult. I walked out into 15 degree weather in just a dress shirt. I didn’t feel cold. I felt elated being away from that pit of abuse and hatred that you call a holy church. Stay out of other people’s lives and stay out of government. Mind your own damned business.
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tm yes,, we all know that, fact is Michelle couldn't share the limelight,,,she did everything she could to tear Cass down,,,she is NOT who everyone remembers,,, they remember Cass
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tm There's not a time I watched them on music videos or on TV that I couldn't take my eyes off of Cass. She had the most talent, aside from John's writing, but it was Cass who was the star. I hardly gave the others a look. There was just something kind of magical about Cass.
There's so much more to the dark secrets of this band that you barely touched at all , the dark secrets that emerged during that time on why and how is being left out of on purpose?
I can't figure out why you would want to reveal a secret that Cass Eliot took to her grave. Cass clearly didn't want the information to become common Knowledge. Why couldn't you have shown some respect for the privacy of a truly wonderful woman?
@@kithale316 I understand the desire her child has to know this history. That is not the issue. The rest of the world doesn't need to know the private lives of Cass or her daughter.
@@billbradley2480 no doesn’t matter, age has nothing to do with this. You are not supposed to have sex with minors, but most of all. You Are Not Supposed To Have Sex With Your Own Children or any Children. There is no gray area here
Michelle Phillips didn't mind her OWN business but she wanted to mind Cass Elliotts?? was her troubled childhood the reason she IGNORED her OWN CHILDS childhood?🙄🤡🤮
I heard a different story, Cass Elliot revealed the paternity to both john and Michelle Phillips prior to leaving for London. She left explicit instructions that in the case of her early demise they were not to reveal the father's identity before Owen's 19th birthday. And It was at Owen's 19th birthday party they carried out Cass's instructions and told Owen.
@@Jameswilliams-hf1sz actually John and McKenzie did the talk show circuit plus wrote a book when they both sobers up and got clean look it up. I liked the mammas and pappas no skin off my nose what they did to each other. 🤪
@@leviashanken2506 oh and for your info even Michelle said it actually Michelle and McKenzie said it together John was a full blown junkie by than as was McKenzie thanks to good ole dad sticking the needle in her arm it’s written down it’s so sad but no one gave a shit back than. Go figure
No news here , the cool guitar rife in the Johnny Rivers 1966 hit SECRET AGENT MAN was Chuck Day and the fact is that I knew this twenty years ago as I been a guitar player since 1961 @ age 11 and have played that great lick since 66.
Unbelievable! This video should be named The History of Michelle Phillips and at 19 Minutes Cass Elliot's Baby. This is too typical of these clickbait artists who post a sensational headline and then the big reveal is an afterthought.
Michelle Phillips was in an Episode of "Hammer House of Mystery and Suspense", Series 1 Episode 6 "Paint Me A Murder" from 1984. It was shown on the UKs Talking Pictures Channel recently. 🤩📺💖
Her daughter revealed that she had known for years who fathered her for many years. She knew that her mom didn’t want the entire world to know this and didn’t speak up until she knew it was going to be released. Michelle was going to sell this info for a lot of money so Cass’s daughter decided to cut her legs off. Cass truly was the band. They, the band and other people tried to paint Cass as a very, very unappeasable diva. Cass took pride in what she did and she took care of her voice from what I’ve heard. Michelle was nothing but a jealous, hedonistic, complete narcissistic and bitter person. I won’t call her a woman or a female even because this would sully all of womanhood!
It was not up to her to reveal this since Mama Cass made that choice. Such a toxic person. Her bandmate deserved much better than her. Her daughter and husband ( one of the Baldwin brothers) were neighbors for a few years on my street in Santa Barbara. He was so full of himself and was continuously floored that I could not care less if he is fanous. I know a jerk when I see one and he truly was one. The level of self procmainmed impirtance was nauseating. Having that said, there are also genuinely nice celebs too . I just never bought into the extreme worship of fame here in the US. It makes me very sad how Mama Cass was treated and how much heartache she had to endure when truly she made the band great.
Why does Michelle Phillips think that she has the right to disclose Cass’s secrets??? Disgusting!!! Michelle is so low… she is still trying to abuse her in death !!! Hate to burst Michelle’s bubble but she can’t sing (she had no talent to sing w/ out Cass) no actual acting parts (where she was the lead… always just the supporting actor). Cass deserved so much more than her band mates gave her.
Thank you for these two videos. I wonder if Cass had hypothyroidism, which would be a possible cause of her weight gain and problems with her attempts to lose weight. It was not diagnosed much in those years, perhaps because it was hard to test for. But it would explain a lot of her physical issues.
Hopper was a wildman. He is buried down thr street from me in a tiny ramshackeled cemetery in Taos. People put whiskey bottles and gifts to him to this day.
When I was in the military in Munich Germany, one of my friends in our company heard the song California dreaming and could not stay till we got to leave to go to California. 17:55
That whole scene was nefarious and creepy. With a whole lot of shady characters and musicians who had parents from military backgrounds CIA assets and MK Ultra stooges. The whole of the 60s was a Psyop.
Yes, indeed there was a lot drama, drugs and music…and lots of crazy…and truth in this…and that was even before Michelle arrived on my mother Tamar’s doorstep…then life itself became very strange, wild sometimes scary weird. A lot of life experiences shoved into just one before I was even a teen.
Ahhhhhh, Michelle ! If the term " Impossibly beautiful " could ever be, it was ,made for her. From the very 1st time I saw that 1st album cover, to seeing them on TV, I was mesmerized ; she truly was, ' impossibly beautiful " . Sadly, when the group did come to Denver in May of '66, it was Jill Gibson, not Michelle ; I was heartbroken. In those days, it was the 2 musical sopranos with opposite looks & beauty : Michelle Phillips & Joan Baez, who had me . that was of course, until I saw Marilyn McCoo. But that's another stoey for another entry. -----------------MJL, 78 y/o
Mama Cass was the _Heart and Soul_ of the band. This day and age she wouldn't have needed the band to succeed. She was treated horribly. And Michelle just used and abused everyone she came in contact with. This is a good example of "looks" vs. "talent." I'm certainly not saying that the rest of the band didn't have talent...they absolutely did...I'm talking more about what looks will get you vs what raw talent with no looks gets you *as a female* ...at least back then.
Cass Elliott was the Mamas & Papas!! Her voice was beautiful & strong!!! I hope Mama Cass knows how much shes loved & missed!!!💜
Denny and John were superb musicians. You cannot take anything away from them.
@@robbiet8583 Papa John was a pervert who committed incest with his daughter Mackenzie.
Amen!
Yep the rest were just wannabes who made Cass Elliott's life 'their joke'. And now still trying to make money off her with books, stories and shame.
Yep, Michelle was jealous of Cass's talent. Cass was absolutely the driving voice of what was otherwise a mediocre band. ✌️🌷💝
They knew they were nothing without Mama Cass but still treated her badly
Except Michelle. They were soul sisters !
Where do you think this crap is coming from? She's 80 and still exploiting using and spreading her holes. Oh look I found out who knocked up mama cass. Some soul sister.
I,
John wrote all the songs and Denny had a powerful voice. this band is one case where all their vocals created the perfect melody… And if even one person stepped out it through the vocals off…. Except Michelle, she was mostly an ornament. They need to make a movie out of this… And Fleetwood Mac. The only two bands whose entire catalog is about 💊 and cheating with their band mates.
@@ckotcher1 Nah... what Michelle "lacked" with her singing ability she amply made up for with charisma. Her singing had personality and she could actually sing... but wouldn't compare her pipes with Cass'... I know she didn't either.
Characterizing Michelle as an "ornament" is not accurate... I'll leave that designation for self-describing Pamela Morrison.
Chuck Day...if you want to save yourself the long narrative of Michelle's life
Thank you.
@kristinscotbarryjames Oh thank God
I skipped straight to the comments and you didn't disappoint!
Thank you so much!
Who is Chuck Day? Ty for saving me from watching 20 minutes of what I already know, except the name of Cass’ father of her infant.
Who is Chuck Day?
The very worst thing what happen to Cass was the affair between Denny & Michelle. She had been in love with him for years. She told Michelle you could have any man why would you take the one person I love. That was a massive divide in the band. They both had now destroyed every person in the band. They were at the height of their fame. Cass was the only person that had a true heart in that whole group. I just wish she would have had more time with Owen and saw much more success. When she died she was solo and packing in the crowds. Sad end to a beautiful voice and soul.
Cass was no angel. name kept an open house in Laurel Canyon where anyone could crash including members of the Manson family.
Health at every size tho!
True, none of them were angels.
She was the only real talent in the band. They’d never have been anything without her.
They were Fleetwood Mac before Fleetwood Mac, Buckingham/Nick's edition.
Mama Cass was the band!
Let's not get carried away. Mama Cass had a nice contralto voice and was given a few songs to sing lead, Denny Doherty was the main singer and John Phillips was a great songwriter. Cass supplied sweet harmony.
She was two thirds of its mass.
Moma Cass didn’t die in a hotel room. She had been lent Harry Nilsson’s Mayfair apartment, and in a further act of tragedy, he lent it to the Who’s Keith Moon, who died there also a few years later.
I like this narrator, but he omitted the truly awful behaviour of John Philips, who was his daughter MacKensie’s “lover” for over a decade, well into her twenties.
Perhaps our narrator was unaware of just how awful this man was, or merely wished to spare us the ghastly details.
I guess he wanted to edit things down to mostly focus on Michelle. Plus, by the time it happened, he and Michelle weren't as connected as in their early years. I think the scriptwriter would have also had to wrestle with Michelle's attitude with McKenzie's revelation of her abuse. A lot of her family called her a liar, which sadly happens with abuse victims. The victim starts falling down a rabbit hole of destructive behaviors due to their trauma and the family starts thinking of them as a 'problem.' Then, when the abuse is revealed, they think that the victim is lysing or attention-seeking and are unsupportive and disbelieving, furthering the trauma. I don't know if Michelle has become more supportive in future years, but it is a tough dynamic to portray in a short bio. It does, however, add some counterpoint to the notion that, later in life, she became this caretaker and champion of her extended family.
That’s truly horrendous ! 😮
Please edit your comment to say “Papa John was the rapist of of his own daughter.” A minor can not consent to sex w an adult.
He also didn't want to add the ghastly details of all of them, friends to chas manson, drug dealing, psychotic individuals who were doing things I can't say on here. But Dave MacGowan did. Look up the truth of these laurel canyon creeps.
@@nursevanhelsing4413 she was not a minor, she was 19 at the time, yes it was very sick abuse of power. John was a POS.
Weird. The hook to get us to watch was about Cass Elliot but the video is really the Michelle Phillips story. We didn't find out anything about Cass as one of the Mugwumps or her interest in musical theatre or her own Variety TV show or her great appearances on Carol Burnett's and Johnny Cash's show. It's a pity that we didn't because I was more interested in knowing about her than Michelle. 🙃
None of the people in this saga strike me as particularly admirable.
@@TCBElvisAPresley I’ve ALWAYS thought that very same thing!!!
That's the 60's for you....The blissful beginning, of the end of Western Civilization
I agree only there musical talent was good.
@@MrNorthstar50 Agreed, I've always liked the Mamas & Papas.
Have you seen Mama Cass singing _Leaving On A Jet Plane_ with John Denver? It's here on RUclips. Check it out, it's really good. 🎶
I don't care about a long story about Michelle Phillips life story. This was supposed to be about Cass Elliott and her baby's father.
No its Michelle story about Cass please learn how to read,
@@surfernorm6360 No, the title said it was about who was the father of Cass baby and ended up being about Michelle Phillips who was a secondary member of the group. The title was misleading click bait to draw people in to read it. If you can’t figure that out from the false title, YOU need to learn to learn to read.
@@BethyKable I don't give a crap about any of this one was or another. But the title is "Michelle Phillips Exposed Her Bandmate's Secret" the Author Has Cass's story in another content so look it up if you need too. Its clear that the story is about what Michelle said. Your pissed off becasue you like Cass. Thats not really relevant. if you understood social media and specially you tube you would know that its more than clickbait its to hold you for 10 or 20 minutes that writers get paid for. Well the author already did Cass's story before and still had material left so he wrote a story your not happy with. Thats fine but the life of mama Cass is not what this story is about its about what Michell revealed. and he did filler about michell to hold viewers
You know you grow up looking at the smiling faces of bands like The Mommasand The Pappas. Then this mass media videos ruin everything. I always thought that ABBA was this happy band where the members married each other. Yesterdays video ruined that. I know ignorance is bliss, I just wished I could have stayed ignorant a bit longer.
I feel the same. I'm not continuing.
Not a Michelle fan. She had only a regular voice, where Cass had a spectacular voice. Always thought Michelle was jealous and willing to cause as much jealousy and strife as possible.
Michelle is a major narcissist that hung around the Hippie scene, not practicing any real benevolence.
This was suppose too be about Mama Cass,not everybody else
If they had made it about her, her daughter and the baby daddy, it would have been much shorter.
Yes, I expected to learn more about Cass, the others were set pieces. And after decades I couldn't give two straws about John or Michelle Phillips. Talk about screwups who inflicted their debottury on their own children. I also am under the impression, by Mackenzie, who is a lifetime friend of Cass's daughter, that her daughter learned the truth of who her father was/is. ✌️🌷💝
@@BJsEsotericMusings-nq4lr - _"debauchery"_
Why not about band?
@BJsEsotericMusings-nq4lr It's 'debauchery'
Michelle Phillips is a narcissist who went after whoever and whatever she wanted. She felt zero guilt about breaking up John's marriage to Susan and none for breaking Mama Cass's heart by having an affair with Denny. I don't agree with commenters who say that she had a beautiful voice. She was almost tone deaf and learned her parts note by note. It's particularly obvious when you watch footage of her vocals alone or with her vocals isolated. She was pretty and that was enough to help propel the group to stardom. In a stroke of karma, she married a man who was as horrific as he was talented.
Plus John had children with his first wife...
Yea, just like the men were doing.. too bad.
@@kateg7298 CASS WAS THE SOUND OF THE MAMAS AND THE PAPAS!!! Don’t let anyone tell you any different!!!!
@@docgumbo4979I think she's talking about Michelle being tone deaf.
I don't agree because if she was, she wouldn't have been allowed in the group.
Mama Cass, the epitome of the 60s🌼such a beautiful woman inside and out she sang from the soul, I recently discovered she was on an episode of the Carol Burnett show, she had a comical side to her as well, she was so multi talented, we don't have anyone like that today as a matter of fact they are the opposite "talentless".
and out? She was a bit hefty
@@mollkatless She was a great guest on sketch TV shows of the period.
@@mollkatlessso what ?she was still beautiful deal with it...
I saw her on talk show clips and Cass was smart and she believed in causes. Hippie heart and a beautiful soul.❤️
I’m glad Michelle told Chuck Day about Owen before he passed.
Why don't?
They leave mama cass in peace. They were very unkind to her Due to her weight during her careerwith them. They should just leave her alone.
So true. She had a lovely lovely voice.
Because they are evil.😮
Mama Cass was not a nice person, that's why all of this happens.
@@adambaum9732 Are you saying it was karma?
@@adambaum9732 And you know this how?
I could listen to this narrator 24/7. Nothin like a Scottish brogue❤.
California dreaming reminds me of my cousin who passed due to leukemia, the year the song came out.
Must be a painful reminder when you hear it. 😢
@brigittelee9730 It helps me remember his face.
For those that don't know who Chuck Day was, he was much more than a studio musician. He played with Johnny Rivers and came up with the catchy guitar riff in "Secret Agent Man" as well as other great guitar lines. He had a really easy way with a guitar and none the notes he played were forced. The footage of him at 19:05 was taken at 19 Broadway in Fairfax Ca. Chuck was a bartender there and was well known in the Fairfax music scene. I'm not sure how but pretty much everyone knew that Owen was his daughter with Mama Cass. After he passed away (after his third heart attack) there was a memorial at 19 Broadway and Owen was present. That was the only time I ever saw her.
Why was it such a secret tho?
Thank you for information. Appreciate it
It’s sad how demonized Mama Cass was when now she looks down right normal when compared to the last few generations born in America
James is my favourite narrator on this channel - always watch his episodes, regardless of the celebrity. Thank you, James, for another interesting story 😀 👍🏻
I sure wish these RUclips would cut out all the bullshit history and just get to the point. Its supposedly a video on who fathered Cass Elliot’s daughter not the life of Michelle Phillips as that is what the majority of this video is
AMEN TO THAT!!! She’s just using Cass to get her own no talent face & name back out there.
This seems to be a developing pattern on Ewwtoob, with the misleading clickbait titles.
It’s the time that pays, the longer you watch the more they make.
Absolutely right
"San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers In Your Hair)" was not 'their' song. It was written by John Phillips, but given to his long-time friend, Scott McKenzie. Scott had a terrific range as a vocalist, and had been one of "The Journeymen". He even became a 'Papa' in later configurations of the band. He and I became good friends in his last couple of years, so I had to set that record straight. Just a minor quibble - I love your channel.
A bit of trivia: Their song, "Twelve Thirty", was written by John ABOUT Scott, and his struggle to adjust to the sudden fame he experienced when "San Francisco (BStWFIYH)" hit the charts.
@Polyphemus47
Scott McKenzie.
The Journeymen.
John Phillips wrote a lot of songs.
Will have to look those up.
Now you could pay anyone to go to San Fran S**thole☠️💩
And she did just as she promised: she "buried them all"...
Michelle's childhood friend was the daughter of the LA Coroner, who's son wrote a book, saying as an LA police detective, he solved the "Black Dahlia" murder - it was his father, emulating in live/death one of his BFFs Man Rays' photos. I live in Los FEliz LA as did Michelle and Tamar Hodel. The Hodel's lived in a very famous home on Franklin Avenue, built by the son of Frank Lloyd Wright. Great storytelling. I ended up working with Michelle when she was on Knott's Landing.
Read this in Black Dahlia Avenger by George Hodel's son!
George Hodel M.D. was not the "L.A. Coroner" he was the V.D. (Venereal Disease( Czar of L.A. County Health Department. Tamar Hodel was my half-sister and did become Michelle's "Best Friend" and both took off from Holllywood to San Francisco and the rest is "history." Steve Hodel Det. III LAPD Hollywood Homicide (ret.)
Thought that Frank Lloyd Wright was the architect of the home...???
@@katekelly1 No it was his son's design Frank Lloyd Wright Jr. in 1926
What was she like?
If mamma Cass didn't divulge part of her life information, Michelle should of respect her silence.
Exactly
Michelle sought the information at Mama Cass's daughter's request...as she, the daughter, understandably, wanted to know who her biological father is/was...
Cass Elliot - Dream a Little Dream of Me. Will never forget that song, those times. I was a little kid who longed to look like Michelle Phillips, because I was the opposite. Ethnic looking. Not 'in' in those days. Made me cry because it was hopeless to even try growing my hair long and parting it in the middle. Though I did. Now I'm soooo grateful not to be like any of them - whatever the talent or looks. Wouldn't want any of their lives. But I still enjoy the music - wistfully.
Embracing whom you are, longing not, to be anyone else, saves you a lot of wasted time. 🙏❤💫
@@lmc2375 Hard to know who you are - even what you are - at eight.
I will always have a soft spot in my heart and a knowledge that Mama Cass was the star of that show.
@@keetonplace She had a marvelous voice and a joyous personality. Michelle Phillips may have had the acceptable beauty of the times, but I don't believe she had any musical talent. And she had the personality of a sheet of paper.
@@lmc2375 At eight, it's hard to know who you are. You don't, at least I didn't, understand the whole ethnicity and class thing. Only knew I was not liked. And I wanted to be liked. Now? As I said, I know they're the ones that chose to live sorry lives and do not deserve respect.
Chuck Day is the father. He died in 2008, and was guitarist with Mamas and Papas.
Good job, on the chronological presentation, compatible imaging, and storyline!! (Without redundancy and repetitiveness, too...) One of your best, to date!! 🙂
I hate that "John" wrote one of my favorite songs by the Dead... He was truly one troubled dude. Cass should have finished school and conquered the world on her own.
Love this narrator! 😊
I only watch their videos if he's narrating, the narrator in the video prior to this was a total nightmare, I couldn't finish it
Chuck Day, who played guitar on a few songs . I should’ve just fast forwarded to the end . My gosh this was painfully long .
Maybe SHE didn’t want anyone to know. God forbid she have any privacy. She’s dead now leave her alone
No, she can be milked for much more entertainment, yet.
For what it's worth, I've dealt with Michelle Phillips as a client in recent years when I was doing a part-time pet care job. I've never known her to be anything but nice, welcoming, and down-to-earth. And she really loves her dog.
People get better in life if they find Jesus Christ...did she? Just wonderin'...
We all mature eventually, but I'm sure glad Michelle wasn't my buddy in high school 😮😢
For what it's worth, Hitler was a vegetarian who liked dogs. Just because he didn't kill you doesn't mean he wasn't a murderer.
@@CallieMasters5000 My fault for assuming good faith in RUclips comments. Silly me.
@@InnerMittenSignalThat’s ridiculous. You have zero evidence to prove that lie. Over 90% of inmates in US prisons are ‘Christian’. Only 0.04% of inmates are atheists. The Bible doesn’t teach anything about morality. If you read it with an honest and open mind you’d see how the biblical god is a serial mass murderer that loves genocide, misogyny, rape, incest, infanticide, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, torture and issued laws stating if a girl doesn’t yell loud enough while being raped she must be stoned to death. Another says fathers can sell daughters into slavery. Another says if a groom learns his bride isn’t a virgin on their wedding night she must be stoned to death that night. A goat herder in those times knew nothing about gynecology. There was no way to tell if a female is a virgin. Hymens get torn or they were never there. So your god says a girl who tore her hymen or was born without one should be murdered. How can Christians consider these barbaric commands by their god MORAL? And let’s not forget that law stating if a man rapes a girl the rapist isn’t punished. The girl is punished for the rest of her life because your god’s law says the girl must marry the rapist and be raped the rest of her life. Your god is beyond immoral. That sick (imaginary) entity is a psychopathic monster. And lastly, your god sent his so-called ‘chosen people to murder entire towns of men, women, children, toddlers and babies. But they spared the girls so they could enslave the girls and force them to marry the same sick chosen-ones who murdered their entire families. Your gif had his goons invade towns and slice to death everyone with swords and knives then drug the terrified girls over the bloodied bodies of all the people she lived in her life. How can Christians condone these sick, vile immoral acts against others? The biblical god is an immoral monster. Stop lying about your delusional cult. You and your disturbing religion have hurt and killed people since it was founded.
Before lying to others get evidence. If you don’t have any credible evidence why are you saying things you know nothing of! If you can tell I am angry at Christians who constantly try to shove their delusions on others. Your sick cult caused a dear friend to slash her wrists. She had the Bible bashed into her head since birth. Sge had a war going on in her head. She was taught to believe every good thought she had was god. And every bad thought was the devil. The only way she could get away was to kill herself. Because of the way she felt you Christians would’ve had her burned at the stake at one time. I drove 450 miles every weekend for two years to visit her in the state hospital. She received secular therapy to purge her mind of all the religious abuse she was exposed to. I checked her out of the mental hospital on weekend days. She told me I saved her life. In the two years in the hospital not one member of her Christian family visited, wrote or called her. Not one person in a 3,000 congregation Baptist church visited, called or wrote during those two years. I’m an atheist and I was there for a friend. Not one Christian was. I went to her church once. It was a hate fest. The preacher was extremely abusive to the congregation. And he was citing his rage directly from that disgusting Bible. I sat next to my friend but after a few minutes into that preacher’s abusing ravings I told my friend I am not going to subject myself to this abuse. I got up and walked out the side doors of the church. Then as I walked down a hall to the exit three women walked toward me saying “where do you think you’re going?” I told them I’m going outside because if there is a real god he’d be out there and not in this sick cult. I walked out into 15 degree weather in just a dress shirt. I didn’t feel cold. I felt elated being away from that pit of abuse and hatred that you call a holy church.
Stay out of other people’s lives and stay out of government. Mind your own damned business.
Very good, informative, interesting. ❤
This was a good one. There was always so much drama around her.
Camille Razat of Emily in Paris needs to play Michelle Phillips if there's a docuseries in the future. Love Cass Elliott's voice.
Me too! Have you ever heard something so pure and clear and true?
Michelle still trying to steal the limelight from Cass
Actually during the lifetime of the band Michelle got the limelight, like it or not.
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tm yes,, we all know that, fact is Michelle couldn't share the limelight,,,she did everything she could to tear Cass down,,,she is NOT who everyone remembers,,, they remember Cass
@AdullFiddler-ez7tm 🥱
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tmshe needed to because Cass BLEW AWAY michelle as far as talent was concerned
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tm There's not a time I watched them on music videos or on TV that I couldn't take my eyes off of Cass. She had the most talent, aside from John's writing, but it was Cass who was the star. I hardly gave the others a look. There was just something kind of magical about Cass.
admitting you went "THERE 😳 is something no man would want known 😅😂😂
There's so much more to the dark secrets of this band that you barely touched at all , the dark secrets that emerged during that time on why and how is being left out of on purpose?
Absolutely fascinating documentary.
Thank you for sharing. I am a big fan of the Mamas & Papas since the 60’s and found your review both informative and reminiscent
I'M HAPPY THAT YOU MENTIONED KNOTS LANDING BCZ I WAS ON MY WAY TO THE COMMENTS AND STATE THAT FACT, THANK YOU AND LOVE YOUR VIDEOS 💜❤
She was terrible to mama cass. Unforgettable and unforgivable.
Michelle seemed like a shallow, spoiled girl who was never told no.
Not to mention she had an affair with Pedo Polanski .
"She was terrible to mama cass" - Complete nonsense
"Complete nonsense"
Public Relations hype...
I told her "no" MANY times......
Her attitudes towards her affairs was sad.
I can't figure out why you would want to reveal a secret that Cass Eliot took to her grave. Cass clearly didn't want the information to become common Knowledge. Why couldn't you have shown some respect for the privacy of a truly wonderful woman?
Because her daughter wanted to know. People can pass on medical problems so knowing your parents is useful
@@kithale316 I understand the desire her child has to know this history. That is not the issue. The rest of the world doesn't need to know the private lives of Cass or her daughter.
@@NathanielCrockett-b6n
Sorry, that's the price of fame.
@@sharksport01 it's still pretty shitty of Phillips to do that.
@_HimToo
Oh I'm no fan of hers.
Dad is guitarist Chuck Day. You’re welcome.
John was a terrible man had relations with his daughter. She had drug problems and just problems from her father, probably still if still with us..
Yes I heard. People are saying that affair didn’t start until she was 18. I find that hard to believe.
@@billbradley2480 no doesn’t matter, age has nothing to do with this. You are not supposed to have sex with minors, but most of all. You Are Not Supposed To Have Sex With Your Own Children or any Children. There is no gray area here
I enjoyed this video, very much.
Thank you for sharing 😊
Best narrator.
She can do DNA, it's 2024.
Michelle Phillips didn't mind her OWN business but she wanted to mind Cass Elliotts?? was her troubled childhood the reason she IGNORED her OWN CHILDS childhood?🙄🤡🤮
Michelle was a honey.
❤😂❤ Loved the Mamas snd Papas
I heard a different story, Cass Elliot revealed the paternity to both john and Michelle Phillips prior to leaving for London. She left explicit instructions that in the case of her early demise they were not to reveal the father's identity before Owen's 19th birthday. And It was at Owen's 19th birthday party they carried out Cass's instructions and told Owen.
You do know what John did to McKenzie Philips right? Mama cass was the mama’s and pappa’s crazy 60/70’s love it!!!!
How do you know it's true?
Any proof
@@Jameswilliams-hf1sz actually John and McKenzie did the talk show circuit plus wrote a book when they both sobers up and got clean look it up. I liked the mammas and pappas no skin off my nose what they did to each other. 🤪
@@leviashanken2506 oh and for your info even Michelle said it actually Michelle and McKenzie said it together John was a full blown junkie by than as was McKenzie thanks to good ole dad sticking the needle in her arm it’s written down it’s so sad but no one gave a shit back than. Go figure
@@leviashanken2506 MacKensie wrote about sleeping with her father John in her biography "High on Arrival"
No news here , the cool guitar rife in the Johnny Rivers 1966 hit SECRET AGENT MAN was Chuck Day and the fact is that I knew this twenty years ago as I been a guitar player since 1961 @ age 11 and have played that great lick since 66.
this was so good !! thank you
Creeque Alley is their best song!! 🎵 👌
Now it makes sense why she did not believe her husband raped his daughter, her stepdaugher, Mackenzie Philips. She was pretty messed up herself.
One would think this Would have made her more vigilant & knowing about things that can happen.
What a story thanks very much.
Unbelievable! This video should be named The History of Michelle Phillips and at 19 Minutes Cass Elliot's Baby. This is too typical of these clickbait artists who post a sensational headline and then the big reveal is an afterthought.
Michelle Phillips was in an Episode of "Hammer House of Mystery and Suspense", Series 1 Episode 6 "Paint Me A Murder" from 1984. It was shown on the UKs Talking Pictures Channel recently.
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A pretty face don't make a pretty heart. Robert Palmer
Moon Martin
@@jkreth what does Moon Martin mean?
"Beware the danger to impute, unlikely virtues to the cute" Ogden Nash
@@davidschaller8138 That sounds very cryptic what does it mean?
@@davidschaller8138 That sounds very cryptic what does it mean?
Her daughter revealed that she had known for years who fathered her for many years. She knew that her mom didn’t want the entire world to know this and didn’t speak up until she knew it was going to be released. Michelle was going to sell this info for a lot of money so Cass’s daughter decided to cut her legs off.
Cass truly was the band. They, the band and other people tried to paint Cass as a very, very unappeasable diva. Cass took pride in what she did and she took care of her voice from what I’ve heard.
Michelle was nothing but a jealous, hedonistic, complete narcissistic and bitter person.
I won’t call her a woman or a female even because this would sully all of womanhood!
It was not up to her to reveal this since Mama Cass made that choice. Such a toxic person. Her bandmate deserved much better than her. Her daughter and husband ( one of the Baldwin brothers) were neighbors for a few years on my street in Santa Barbara. He was so full of himself and was continuously floored that I could not care less if he is fanous. I know a jerk when I see one and he truly was one. The level of self procmainmed impirtance was nauseating. Having that said, there are also genuinely nice celebs too . I just never bought into the extreme worship of fame here in the US. It makes me very sad how Mama Cass was treated and how much heartache she had to endure when truly she made the band great.
It is nice to hear the songs and watch videos
She was gorgeous
So was Mama Cass, dude.
Yes she was ...
What a horrible group of people
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE WOMAN. 🙄🙄🤡
Why does Michelle Phillips think that she has the right to disclose Cass’s secrets??? Disgusting!!! Michelle is so low… she is still trying to abuse her in death !!! Hate to burst Michelle’s bubble but she can’t sing (she had no talent to sing w/ out Cass) no actual acting parts (where she was the lead… always just the supporting actor). Cass deserved so much more than her band mates gave her.
Well, you clicked on it like a fly landing on crap, didn't you?
In those days everything was a mistery and reality (after it kicked in) nobody believed 😅
Thank you for these two videos. I wonder if Cass had hypothyroidism, which would be a possible cause of her weight gain and problems with her attempts to lose weight. It was not diagnosed much in those years, perhaps because it was hard to test for. But it would explain a lot of her physical issues.
The house in Bel Air had been the home of Jeanette MacDonald and Gene Raymond. They sold it and downsized due to Jeanette's failing health.
"THOSE WERE THE DAYS MY FRIEND"
@Madelinedelisle5314
Didn't George Harrison produce that?
Lulu?
Hopper was a wildman. He is buried down thr street from me in a tiny ramshackeled cemetery in Taos. People put whiskey bottles and gifts to him to this day.
80 years old ❤she gives me hope!
Why the hades did it take 20 minutes to tell 30 seconds worth of information?????!!!!!!!!????????
Clickbait. Annoying. I glance at segments and read comments now with these kind of videos.
When I was in the military in Munich Germany, one of my friends in our company heard the song California dreaming and could not stay till we got to leave to go to California. 17:55
Cass left a void in the culture ….
Good for you.Keep on going. Best thing you did was leave those guys. Good Luck
California Dreaming ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Michelle Phillips played a good part alongside Martin Sheene in the ‘California Kid.’ ….a great hot rod movie ! 🤪
I really like this guys story telling its spot on
That whole scene was nefarious and creepy. With a whole lot of shady characters and musicians who had parents from military backgrounds CIA assets and MK Ultra stooges. The whole of the 60s was a Psyop.
@hector
Lamar806
How creepy is it?
Jim Morrison's dad was in the military.
That is a global fact.
Leave her alone, if she wanted it secret
@5:00 - that’s not how the phrase “rude awakening” is used lol…😂😂
Why so much about Michelle?? I thought this was about Cass.
I don’t see Cass’s name in the title. But she was the star of the band.
I invested 20 minutes into this story, hoping it was gonna be Richard Nixon. But when the great unveiling finally occurs it's more like... huh? Who?
Yes, indeed there was a lot drama, drugs and music…and lots of crazy…and truth in this…and that was even before Michelle arrived on my mother Tamar’s doorstep…then life itself became very strange, wild sometimes scary weird. A lot of life experiences shoved into just one before I was even a teen.
I think the standard rock and roll answer is David Crosby.
All the daughter would need to do is get a DNA test. The other relatives would lead her to the truth.
Ahhhhhh, Michelle ! If the term " Impossibly beautiful " could ever be, it was ,made for her. From the very 1st time I saw that 1st album cover, to seeing them on TV, I was mesmerized ; she truly was, ' impossibly beautiful " . Sadly, when the group did come to Denver in May of '66, it was Jill Gibson, not Michelle ; I was heartbroken. In those days, it was the 2 musical sopranos with opposite looks & beauty : Michelle Phillips & Joan Baez, who had me . that was of course, until I saw Marilyn McCoo. But that's another stoey for another entry. -----------------MJL, 78 y/o
Supurb.
Always, loved her.
Such great musical talent in the Mamas and the Papas, but every one of them had very messed up personal lives.
Mama Cass was the _Heart and Soul_ of the band. This day and age she wouldn't have needed the band to succeed. She was treated horribly. And Michelle just used and abused everyone she came in contact with. This is a good example of "looks" vs. "talent." I'm certainly not saying that the rest of the band didn't have talent...they absolutely did...I'm talking more about what looks will get you vs what raw talent with no looks gets you *as a female* ...at least back then.
Children learn what they live.
8 days with Hopper? Now that has got to be a record for at least Hollywood. It could be like a DOORS theme "Hello, I love, now I'll tell you Goodbye!"
The Mammas and Pappas were a part of my childhood, it he music is classic.
So true.
Wasn't about Mama Cass at all. A 20 minute video so the narrator could talk about michelle
I always thought the Mama's and the Papa's was a stupid name for a band.
No apostrophes.
as bad as The Rolling Stones. No moss but lots of dead wrinkled skin
Nnnnnawwwwww man!
I agree ☝️
This vid could have been done in under 2 minutes to answer the click bait title.
Who really cares who the father was? I'm pissed that Phillips thought it OK to tell Cass's secret
Happy to know Michelle learned how to live and started having normal relationships. Sad it was too late... "Free Love" is not real.