The very worst thing what happen to Cass was the affair between Denny & Michelle. She had been in love with him for years. She told Michelle you could have any man why would you take the one person I love. That was a massive divide in the band. They both had now destroyed every person in the band. They were at the height of their fame. Cass was the only person that had a true heart in that whole group. I just wish she would have had more time with Owen and saw much more success. When she died she was solo and packing in the crowds. Sad end to a beautiful voice and soul.
Moma Cass didn’t die in a hotel room. She had been lent Harry Nilsson’s Mayfair apartment, and in a further act of tragedy, he lent it to the Who’s Keith Moon, who died there also a few years later. I like this narrator, but he omitted the truly awful behaviour of John Philips, who was his daughter MacKensie’s “lover” for over a decade, well into her twenties. Perhaps our narrator was unaware of just how awful this man was, or merely wished to spare us the ghastly details.
I guess he wanted to edit things down to mostly focus on Michelle. Plus, by the time it happened, he and Michelle weren't as connected as in their early years. I think the scriptwriter would have also had to wrestle with Michelle's attitude with McKenzie's revelation of her abuse. A lot of her family called her a liar, which sadly happens with abuse victims. The victim starts falling down a rabbit hole of destructive behaviors due to their trauma and the family starts thinking of them as a 'problem.' Then, when the abuse is revealed, they think that the victim is lysing or attention-seeking and are unsupportive and disbelieving, furthering the trauma. I don't know if Michelle has become more supportive in future years, but it is a tough dynamic to portray in a short bio. It does, however, add some counterpoint to the notion that, later in life, she became this caretaker and champion of her extended family.
He also didn't want to add the ghastly details of all of them, friends to chas manson, drug dealing, psychotic individuals who were doing things I can't say on here. But Dave MacGowan did. Look up the truth of these laurel canyon creeps.
Where do you think this crap is coming from? She's 80 and still exploiting using and spreading her holes. Oh look I found out who knocked up mama cass. Some soul sister.
John wrote all the songs and Denny had a powerful voice. this band is one case where all their vocals created the perfect melody… And if even one person stepped out it through the vocals off…. Except Michelle, she was mostly an ornament. They need to make a movie out of this… And Fleetwood Mac. The only two bands whose entire catalog is about 💊 and cheating with their band mates.
@@ckotcher1 Nah... what Michelle "lacked" with her singing ability she amply made up for with charisma. Her singing had personality and she could actually sing... but wouldn't compare her pipes with Cass'... I know she didn't either. Characterizing Michelle as an "ornament" is not accurate... I'll leave that designation for self-describing Pamela Morrison.
@@surfernorm6360 No, the title said it was about who was the father of Cass baby and ended up being about Michelle Phillips who was a secondary member of the group. The title was misleading click bait to draw people in to read it. If you can’t figure that out from the false title, YOU need to learn to learn to read.
@@BethyKable I don't give a crap about any of this one was or another. But the title is "Michelle Phillips Exposed Her Bandmate's Secret" the Author Has Cass's story in another content so look it up if you need too. Its clear that the story is about what Michelle said. Your pissed off becasue you like Cass. Thats not really relevant. if you understood social media and specially you tube you would know that its more than clickbait its to hold you for 10 or 20 minutes that writers get paid for. Well the author already did Cass's story before and still had material left so he wrote a story your not happy with. Thats fine but the life of mama Cass is not what this story is about its about what Michell revealed. and he did filler about michell to hold viewers
You know you grow up looking at the smiling faces of bands like The Mommasand The Pappas. Then this mass media videos ruin everything. I always thought that ABBA was this happy band where the members married each other. Yesterdays video ruined that. I know ignorance is bliss, I just wished I could have stayed ignorant a bit longer.
Not a Michelle fan. She had only a regular voice, where Cass had a spectacular voice. Always thought Michelle was jealous and willing to cause as much jealousy and strife as possible.
Weird. The hook to get us to watch was about Cass Elliot but the video is really the Michelle Phillips story. We didn't find out anything about Cass as one of the Mugwumps or her interest in musical theatre or her own Variety TV show or her great appearances on Carol Burnett's and Johnny Cash's show. It's a pity that we didn't because I was more interested in knowing about her than Michelle. 🙃
Yes, I expected to learn more about Cass, the others were set pieces. And after decades I couldn't give two straws about John or Michelle Phillips. Talk about screwups who inflicted their debottury on their own children. I also am under the impression, by Mackenzie, who is a lifetime friend of Cass's daughter, that her daughter learned the truth of who her father was/is. ✌️🌷💝
Michelle Phillips is a narcissist who went after whoever and whatever she wanted. She felt zero guilt about breaking up John's marriage to Susan and none for breaking Mama Cass's heart by having an affair with Denny. I don't agree with commenters who say that she had a beautiful voice. She was almost tone deaf and learned her parts note by note. It's particularly obvious when you watch footage of her vocals alone or with her vocals isolated. She was pretty and that was enough to help propel the group to stardom. In a stroke of karma, she married a man who was as horrific as he was talented.
Unbelievable! This video should be named The History of Michelle Phillips and at 19 Minutes Cass Elliot's Baby. This is too typical of these clickbait artists who post a sensational headline and then the big reveal is an afterthought.
Michelle sought the information at Mama Cass's daughter's request...as she, the daughter, understandably, wanted to know who her biological father is/was...
Mama Cass, the epitome of the 60s🌼such a beautiful woman inside and out she sang from the soul, I recently discovered she was on an episode of the Carol Burnett show, she had a comical side to her as well, she was so multi talented, we don't have anyone like that today as a matter of fact they are the opposite "talentless".
James is my favourite narrator on this channel - always watch his episodes, regardless of the celebrity. Thank you, James, for another interesting story 😀 👍🏻
"San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers In Your Hair)" was not 'their' song. It was written by John Phillips, but given to his long-time friend, Scott McKenzie. Scott had a terrific range as a vocalist, and had been one of "The Journeymen". He even became a 'Papa' in later configurations of the band. He and I became good friends in his last couple of years, so I had to set that record straight. Just a minor quibble - I love your channel. A bit of trivia: Their song, "Twelve Thirty", was written by John ABOUT Scott, and his struggle to adjust to the sudden fame he experienced when "San Francisco (BStWFIYH)" hit the charts.
I sure wish these RUclips would cut out all the bullshit history and just get to the point. Its supposedly a video on who fathered Cass Elliot’s daughter not the life of Michelle Phillips as that is what the majority of this video is
I hate that "John" wrote one of my favorite songs by the Dead... He was truly one troubled dude. Cass should have finished school and conquered the world on her own.
Cass Elliot - Dream a Little Dream of Me. Will never forget that song, those times. I was a little kid who longed to look like Michelle Phillips, because I was the opposite. Ethnic looking. Not 'in' in those days. Made me cry because it was hopeless to even try growing my hair long and parting it in the middle. Though I did. Now I'm soooo grateful not to be like any of them - whatever the talent or looks. Wouldn't want any of their lives. But I still enjoy the music - wistfully.
@@keetonplace She had a marvelous voice and a joyous personality. Michelle Phillips may have had the acceptable beauty of the times, but I don't believe she had any musical talent. And she had the personality of a sheet of paper.
@@lmc2375 At eight, it's hard to know who you are. You don't, at least I didn't, understand the whole ethnicity and class thing. Only knew I was not liked. And I wanted to be liked. Now? As I said, I know they're the ones that chose to live sorry lives and do not deserve respect.
Michelle's childhood friend was the daughter of the LA Coroner, who's son wrote a book, saying as an LA police detective, he solved the "Black Dahlia" murder - it was his father, emulating in live/death one of his BFFs Man Rays' photos. I live in Los FEliz LA as did Michelle and Tamar Hodel. The Hodel's lived in a very famous home on Franklin Avenue, built by the son of Frank Lloyd Wright. Great storytelling. I ended up working with Michelle when she was on Knott's Landing.
George Hodel M.D. was not the "L.A. Coroner" he was the V.D. (Venereal Disease( Czar of L.A. County Health Department. Tamar Hodel was my half-sister and did become Michelle's "Best Friend" and both took off from Holllywood to San Francisco and the rest is "history." Steve Hodel Det. III LAPD Hollywood Homicide (ret.)
Michelle Phillips didn't mind her OWN business but she wanted to mind Cass Elliotts?? was her troubled childhood the reason she IGNORED her OWN CHILDS childhood?🙄🤡🤮
When I was in the military in Munich Germany, one of my friends in our company heard the song California dreaming and could not stay till we got to leave to go to California. 17:55
No news here , the cool guitar rife in the Johnny Rivers 1966 hit SECRET AGENT MAN was Chuck Day and the fact is that I knew this twenty years ago as I been a guitar player since 1961 @ age 11 and have played that great lick since 66.
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tm yes,, we all know that, fact is Michelle couldn't share the limelight,,,she did everything she could to tear Cass down,,,she is NOT who everyone remembers,,, they remember Cass
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tm There's not a time I watched them on music videos or on TV that I couldn't take my eyes off of Cass. She had the most talent, aside from John's writing, but it was Cass who was the star. I hardly gave the others a look. There was just something kind of magical about Cass.
For those that don't know who Chuck Day was, he was much more than a studio musician. He played with Johnny Rivers and came up with the catchy guitar riff in "Secret Agent Man" as well as other great guitar lines. He had a really easy way with a guitar and none the notes he played were forced. The footage of him at 19:05 was taken at 19 Broadway in Fairfax Ca. Chuck was a bartender there and was well known in the Fairfax music scene. I'm not sure how but pretty much everyone knew that Owen was his daughter with Mama Cass. After he passed away (after his third heart attack) there was a memorial at 19 Broadway and Owen was present. That was the only time I ever saw her.
I can't figure out why you would want to reveal a secret that Cass Eliot took to her grave. Cass clearly didn't want the information to become common Knowledge. Why couldn't you have shown some respect for the privacy of a truly wonderful woman?
@@kithale316 I understand the desire her child has to know this history. That is not the issue. The rest of the world doesn't need to know the private lives of Cass or her daughter.
Good job, on the chronological presentation, compatible imaging, and storyline!! (Without redundancy and repetitiveness, too...) One of your best, to date!! 🙂
There's so much more to the dark secrets of this band that you barely touched at all , the dark secrets that emerged during that time on why and how is being left out of on purpose?
Yes, indeed there was a lot drama, drugs and music…and lots of crazy…and truth in this…and that was even before Michelle arrived on my mother Tamar’s doorstep…then life itself became very strange, wild sometimes scary weird. A lot of life experiences shoved into just one before I was even a teen.
@@billbradley2480 no doesn’t matter, age has nothing to do with this. You are not supposed to have sex with minors, but most of all. You Are Not Supposed To Have Sex With Your Own Children or any Children. There is no gray area here
Her daughter revealed that she had known for years who fathered her for many years. She knew that her mom didn’t want the entire world to know this and didn’t speak up until she knew it was going to be released. Michelle was going to sell this info for a lot of money so Cass’s daughter decided to cut her legs off. Cass truly was the band. They, the band and other people tried to paint Cass as a very, very unappeasable diva. Cass took pride in what she did and she took care of her voice from what I’ve heard. Michelle was nothing but a jealous, hedonistic, complete narcissistic and bitter person. I won’t call her a woman or a female even because this would sully all of womanhood!
Michelle Phillips was in an Episode of "Hammer House of Mystery and Suspense", Series 1 Episode 6 "Paint Me A Murder" from 1984. It was shown on the UKs Talking Pictures Channel recently. 🤩📺💖
@@Jameswilliams-hf1sz actually John and McKenzie did the talk show circuit plus wrote a book when they both sobers up and got clean look it up. I liked the mammas and pappas no skin off my nose what they did to each other. 🤪
@@leviashanken2506 oh and for your info even Michelle said it actually Michelle and McKenzie said it together John was a full blown junkie by than as was McKenzie thanks to good ole dad sticking the needle in her arm it’s written down it’s so sad but no one gave a shit back than. Go figure
Why does Michelle Phillips think that she has the right to disclose Cass’s secrets??? Disgusting!!! Michelle is so low… she is still trying to abuse her in death !!! Hate to burst Michelle’s bubble but she can’t sing (she had no talent to sing w/ out Cass) no actual acting parts (where she was the lead… always just the supporting actor). Cass deserved so much more than her band mates gave her.
That whole scene was nefarious and creepy. With a whole lot of shady characters and musicians who had parents from military backgrounds CIA assets and MK Ultra stooges. The whole of the 60s was a Psyop.
It was not up to her to reveal this since Mama Cass made that choice. Such a toxic person. Her bandmate deserved much better than her. Her daughter and husband ( one of the Baldwin brothers) were neighbors for a few years on my street in Santa Barbara. He was so full of himself and was continuously floored that I could not care less if he is fanous. I know a jerk when I see one and he truly was one. The level of self procmainmed impirtance was nauseating. Having that said, there are also genuinely nice celebs too . I just never bought into the extreme worship of fame here in the US. It makes me very sad how Mama Cass was treated and how much heartache she had to endure when truly she made the band great.
Cass Elliott was the Mamas & Papas!! Her voice was beautiful & strong!!! I hope Mama Cass knows how much shes loved & missed!!!💜
Denny and John were superb musicians. You cannot take anything away from them.
@@robbiet8583 Papa John was a pervert who committed incest with his daughter Mackenzie.
Amen!
Yep the rest were just wannabes who made Cass Elliott's life 'their joke'. And now still trying to make money off her with books, stories and shame.
Yep, Michelle was jealous of Cass's talent. Cass was absolutely the driving voice of what was otherwise a mediocre band. ✌️🌷💝
The very worst thing what happen to Cass was the affair between Denny & Michelle. She had been in love with him for years. She told Michelle you could have any man why would you take the one person I love. That was a massive divide in the band. They both had now destroyed every person in the band. They were at the height of their fame. Cass was the only person that had a true heart in that whole group. I just wish she would have had more time with Owen and saw much more success. When she died she was solo and packing in the crowds. Sad end to a beautiful voice and soul.
Cass was no angel. name kept an open house in Laurel Canyon where anyone could crash including members of the Manson family.
Health at every size tho!
True, none of them were angels.
She was the only real talent in the band. They’d never have been anything without her.
They were Fleetwood Mac before Fleetwood Mac, Buckingham/Nick's edition.
Moma Cass didn’t die in a hotel room. She had been lent Harry Nilsson’s Mayfair apartment, and in a further act of tragedy, he lent it to the Who’s Keith Moon, who died there also a few years later.
I like this narrator, but he omitted the truly awful behaviour of John Philips, who was his daughter MacKensie’s “lover” for over a decade, well into her twenties.
Perhaps our narrator was unaware of just how awful this man was, or merely wished to spare us the ghastly details.
I guess he wanted to edit things down to mostly focus on Michelle. Plus, by the time it happened, he and Michelle weren't as connected as in their early years. I think the scriptwriter would have also had to wrestle with Michelle's attitude with McKenzie's revelation of her abuse. A lot of her family called her a liar, which sadly happens with abuse victims. The victim starts falling down a rabbit hole of destructive behaviors due to their trauma and the family starts thinking of them as a 'problem.' Then, when the abuse is revealed, they think that the victim is lysing or attention-seeking and are unsupportive and disbelieving, furthering the trauma. I don't know if Michelle has become more supportive in future years, but it is a tough dynamic to portray in a short bio. It does, however, add some counterpoint to the notion that, later in life, she became this caretaker and champion of her extended family.
That’s truly horrendous ! 😮
Please edit your comment to say “Papa John was the rapist of of his own daughter.” A minor can not consent to sex w an adult.
He also didn't want to add the ghastly details of all of them, friends to chas manson, drug dealing, psychotic individuals who were doing things I can't say on here. But Dave MacGowan did. Look up the truth of these laurel canyon creeps.
@@nursevanhelsing4413 she was not a minor, she was 19 at the time, yes it was very sick abuse of power. John was a POS.
Chuck Day...if you want to save yourself the long narrative of Michelle's life
Thank you.
@kristinscotbarryjames Oh thank God
I skipped straight to the comments and you didn't disappoint!
Thank you so much!
Who is Chuck Day? Ty for saving me from watching 20 minutes of what I already know, except the name of Cass’ father of her infant.
Who is Chuck Day?
They knew they were nothing without Mama Cass but still treated her badly
Except Michelle. They were soul sisters !
Where do you think this crap is coming from? She's 80 and still exploiting using and spreading her holes. Oh look I found out who knocked up mama cass. Some soul sister.
I,
John wrote all the songs and Denny had a powerful voice. this band is one case where all their vocals created the perfect melody… And if even one person stepped out it through the vocals off…. Except Michelle, she was mostly an ornament. They need to make a movie out of this… And Fleetwood Mac. The only two bands whose entire catalog is about 💊 and cheating with their band mates.
@@ckotcher1 Nah... what Michelle "lacked" with her singing ability she amply made up for with charisma. Her singing had personality and she could actually sing... but wouldn't compare her pipes with Cass'... I know she didn't either.
Characterizing Michelle as an "ornament" is not accurate... I'll leave that designation for self-describing Pamela Morrison.
I don't care about a long story about Michelle Phillips life story. This was supposed to be about Cass Elliott and her baby's father.
No its Michelle story about Cass please learn how to read,
@@surfernorm6360 No, the title said it was about who was the father of Cass baby and ended up being about Michelle Phillips who was a secondary member of the group. The title was misleading click bait to draw people in to read it. If you can’t figure that out from the false title, YOU need to learn to learn to read.
@@BethyKable I don't give a crap about any of this one was or another. But the title is "Michelle Phillips Exposed Her Bandmate's Secret" the Author Has Cass's story in another content so look it up if you need too. Its clear that the story is about what Michelle said. Your pissed off becasue you like Cass. Thats not really relevant. if you understood social media and specially you tube you would know that its more than clickbait its to hold you for 10 or 20 minutes that writers get paid for. Well the author already did Cass's story before and still had material left so he wrote a story your not happy with. Thats fine but the life of mama Cass is not what this story is about its about what Michell revealed. and he did filler about michell to hold viewers
You know you grow up looking at the smiling faces of bands like The Mommasand The Pappas. Then this mass media videos ruin everything. I always thought that ABBA was this happy band where the members married each other. Yesterdays video ruined that. I know ignorance is bliss, I just wished I could have stayed ignorant a bit longer.
I feel the same. I'm not continuing.
It’s sad how demonized Mama Cass was when now she looks down right normal when compared to the last few generations born in America
Not a Michelle fan. She had only a regular voice, where Cass had a spectacular voice. Always thought Michelle was jealous and willing to cause as much jealousy and strife as possible.
Mama Cass was the band!
None of the people in this saga strike me as particularly admirable.
@@TCBElvisAPresley I’ve ALWAYS thought that very same thing!!!
That's the 60's for you....The blissful beginning, of the end of Western Civilization
the 'secret' is revealed at 19:08 - if you want to watch 19 minutes of Michelle Phillips storyline just disregard this little message.
Thank you!
Thanks. I was about to shut this bloated piece of garbage down until I saw your comment. Definitely giving the video a thumbs down.
Thanks, buddy. It's appreciated!
Thank you
Ty
Weird. The hook to get us to watch was about Cass Elliot but the video is really the Michelle Phillips story. We didn't find out anything about Cass as one of the Mugwumps or her interest in musical theatre or her own Variety TV show or her great appearances on Carol Burnett's and Johnny Cash's show. It's a pity that we didn't because I was more interested in knowing about her than Michelle. 🙃
This was suppose too be about Mama Cass,not everybody else
If they had made it about her, her daughter and the baby daddy, it would have been much shorter.
Yes, I expected to learn more about Cass, the others were set pieces. And after decades I couldn't give two straws about John or Michelle Phillips. Talk about screwups who inflicted their debottury on their own children. I also am under the impression, by Mackenzie, who is a lifetime friend of Cass's daughter, that her daughter learned the truth of who her father was/is. ✌️🌷💝
@@BJsEsotericMusings-nq4lr - _"debauchery"_
Why not about band?
@BJsEsotericMusings-nq4lr It's 'debauchery'
Michelle Phillips is a narcissist who went after whoever and whatever she wanted. She felt zero guilt about breaking up John's marriage to Susan and none for breaking Mama Cass's heart by having an affair with Denny. I don't agree with commenters who say that she had a beautiful voice. She was almost tone deaf and learned her parts note by note. It's particularly obvious when you watch footage of her vocals alone or with her vocals isolated. She was pretty and that was enough to help propel the group to stardom. In a stroke of karma, she married a man who was as horrific as he was talented.
Plus John had children with his first wife...
Unbelievable! This video should be named The History of Michelle Phillips and at 19 Minutes Cass Elliot's Baby. This is too typical of these clickbait artists who post a sensational headline and then the big reveal is an afterthought.
If mamma Cass didn't divulge part of her life information, Michelle should of respect her silence.
Exactly
Michelle sought the information at Mama Cass's daughter's request...as she, the daughter, understandably, wanted to know who her biological father is/was...
California dreaming reminds me of my cousin who passed due to leukemia, the year the song came out.
Must be a painful reminder when you hear it. 😢
@brigittelee9730 It helps me remember his face.
Mama Cass, the epitome of the 60s🌼such a beautiful woman inside and out she sang from the soul, I recently discovered she was on an episode of the Carol Burnett show, she had a comical side to her as well, she was so multi talented, we don't have anyone like that today as a matter of fact they are the opposite "talentless".
and out? She was a bit hefty
@@mollkatless She was a great guest on sketch TV shows of the period.
@@mollkatlessso what ?she was still beautiful deal with it...
I saw her on talk show clips and Cass was smart and she believed in causes. Hippie heart and a beautiful soul.❤️
I’m glad Michelle told Chuck Day about Owen before he passed.
James is my favourite narrator on this channel - always watch his episodes, regardless of the celebrity. Thank you, James, for another interesting story 😀 👍🏻
"San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers In Your Hair)" was not 'their' song. It was written by John Phillips, but given to his long-time friend, Scott McKenzie. Scott had a terrific range as a vocalist, and had been one of "The Journeymen". He even became a 'Papa' in later configurations of the band. He and I became good friends in his last couple of years, so I had to set that record straight. Just a minor quibble - I love your channel.
A bit of trivia: Their song, "Twelve Thirty", was written by John ABOUT Scott, and his struggle to adjust to the sudden fame he experienced when "San Francisco (BStWFIYH)" hit the charts.
@Polyphemus47
Scott McKenzie.
The Journeymen.
John Phillips wrote a lot of songs.
Will have to look those up.
Now you could pay anyone to go to San Fran S**thole☠️💩
And she did just as she promised: she "buried them all"...
Why don't?
They leave mama cass in peace. They were very unkind to her Due to her weight during her careerwith them. They should just leave her alone.
So true. She had a lovely lovely voice.
Because they are evil.😮
Mama Cass was not a nice person, that's why all of this happens.
@@adambaum9732 Are you saying it was karma?
@@adambaum9732 And you know this how?
Maybe SHE didn’t want anyone to know. God forbid she have any privacy. She’s dead now leave her alone
I could listen to this narrator 24/7. Nothin like a Scottish brogue❤.
A pretty face don't make a pretty heart. Robert Palmer
Moon Martin
I sure wish these RUclips would cut out all the bullshit history and just get to the point. Its supposedly a video on who fathered Cass Elliot’s daughter not the life of Michelle Phillips as that is what the majority of this video is
AMEN TO THAT!!! She’s just using Cass to get her own no talent face & name back out there.
This seems to be a developing pattern on Ewwtoob, with the misleading clickbait titles.
It’s the time that pays, the longer you watch the more they make.
Absolutely right
I hate that "John" wrote one of my favorite songs by the Dead... He was truly one troubled dude. Cass should have finished school and conquered the world on her own.
Cass Elliot - Dream a Little Dream of Me. Will never forget that song, those times. I was a little kid who longed to look like Michelle Phillips, because I was the opposite. Ethnic looking. Not 'in' in those days. Made me cry because it was hopeless to even try growing my hair long and parting it in the middle. Though I did. Now I'm soooo grateful not to be like any of them - whatever the talent or looks. Wouldn't want any of their lives. But I still enjoy the music - wistfully.
Embracing whom you are, longing not, to be anyone else, saves you a lot of wasted time. 🙏❤💫
@@lmc2375 Hard to know who you are - even what you are - at eight.
I will always have a soft spot in my heart and a knowledge that Mama Cass was the star of that show.
@@keetonplace She had a marvelous voice and a joyous personality. Michelle Phillips may have had the acceptable beauty of the times, but I don't believe she had any musical talent. And she had the personality of a sheet of paper.
@@lmc2375 At eight, it's hard to know who you are. You don't, at least I didn't, understand the whole ethnicity and class thing. Only knew I was not liked. And I wanted to be liked. Now? As I said, I know they're the ones that chose to live sorry lives and do not deserve respect.
Michelle's childhood friend was the daughter of the LA Coroner, who's son wrote a book, saying as an LA police detective, he solved the "Black Dahlia" murder - it was his father, emulating in live/death one of his BFFs Man Rays' photos. I live in Los FEliz LA as did Michelle and Tamar Hodel. The Hodel's lived in a very famous home on Franklin Avenue, built by the son of Frank Lloyd Wright. Great storytelling. I ended up working with Michelle when she was on Knott's Landing.
Read this in Black Dahlia Avenger by George Hodel's son!
George Hodel M.D. was not the "L.A. Coroner" he was the V.D. (Venereal Disease( Czar of L.A. County Health Department. Tamar Hodel was my half-sister and did become Michelle's "Best Friend" and both took off from Holllywood to San Francisco and the rest is "history." Steve Hodel Det. III LAPD Hollywood Homicide (ret.)
Thought that Frank Lloyd Wright was the architect of the home...???
@@stevehodel6716I remember when your book came out. Of course I bought it immediately. Was a very interesting book. Good to see your comment.
@@katekelly1 No it was his son's design Frank Lloyd Wright Jr. in 1926
Michelle Phillips didn't mind her OWN business but she wanted to mind Cass Elliotts?? was her troubled childhood the reason she IGNORED her OWN CHILDS childhood?🙄🤡🤮
Camille Razat of Emily in Paris needs to play Michelle Phillips if there's a docuseries in the future. Love Cass Elliott's voice.
Me too! Have you ever heard something so pure and clear and true?
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT FOR THE WOMAN. 🙄🙄🤡
Now it makes sense why she did not believe her husband raped his daughter, her stepdaugher, Mackenzie Philips. She was pretty messed up herself.
When I was in the military in Munich Germany, one of my friends in our company heard the song California dreaming and could not stay till we got to leave to go to California. 17:55
She was gorgeous
So was Mama Cass, dude.
Love this narrator! 😊
I only watch their videos if he's narrating, the narrator in the video prior to this was a total nightmare, I couldn't finish it
What a horrible group of people
Why so much about Michelle?? I thought this was about Cass.
I don’t see Cass’s name in the title. But she was the star of the band.
No news here , the cool guitar rife in the Johnny Rivers 1966 hit SECRET AGENT MAN was Chuck Day and the fact is that I knew this twenty years ago as I been a guitar player since 1961 @ age 11 and have played that great lick since 66.
Michelle still trying to steal the limelight from Cass
Actually during the lifetime of the band Michelle got the limelight, like it or not.
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tm yes,, we all know that, fact is Michelle couldn't share the limelight,,,she did everything she could to tear Cass down,,,she is NOT who everyone remembers,,, they remember Cass
@AdullFiddler-ez7tm 🥱
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tmshe needed to because Cass BLEW AWAY michelle as far as talent was concerned
@@AdullFiddler-ez7tm There's not a time I watched them on music videos or on TV that I couldn't take my eyes off of Cass. She had the most talent, aside from John's writing, but it was Cass who was the star. I hardly gave the others a look. There was just something kind of magical about Cass.
admitting you went "THERE 😳 is something no man would want known 😅😂😂
For those that don't know who Chuck Day was, he was much more than a studio musician. He played with Johnny Rivers and came up with the catchy guitar riff in "Secret Agent Man" as well as other great guitar lines. He had a really easy way with a guitar and none the notes he played were forced. The footage of him at 19:05 was taken at 19 Broadway in Fairfax Ca. Chuck was a bartender there and was well known in the Fairfax music scene. I'm not sure how but pretty much everyone knew that Owen was his daughter with Mama Cass. After he passed away (after his third heart attack) there was a memorial at 19 Broadway and Owen was present. That was the only time I ever saw her.
I can't figure out why you would want to reveal a secret that Cass Eliot took to her grave. Cass clearly didn't want the information to become common Knowledge. Why couldn't you have shown some respect for the privacy of a truly wonderful woman?
Because her daughter wanted to know. People can pass on medical problems so knowing your parents is useful
@@kithale316 I understand the desire her child has to know this history. That is not the issue. The rest of the world doesn't need to know the private lives of Cass or her daughter.
@@NathanielCrockett-b6n
Sorry, that's the price of fame.
@@sharksport01 it's still pretty shitty of Phillips to do that.
@_HimToo
Oh I'm no fan of hers.
This was a good one. There was always so much drama around her.
She was terrible to mama cass. Unforgettable and unforgivable.
Michelle seemed like a shallow, spoiled girl who was never told no.
Not to mention she had an affair with Pedo Polanski .
"She was terrible to mama cass" - Complete nonsense
"Complete nonsense"
Public Relations hype...
I told her "no" MANY times......
Her attitudes towards her affairs was sad.
Good job, on the chronological presentation, compatible imaging, and storyline!! (Without redundancy and repetitiveness, too...) One of your best, to date!! 🙂
There's so much more to the dark secrets of this band that you barely touched at all , the dark secrets that emerged during that time on why and how is being left out of on purpose?
Why the hades did it take 20 minutes to tell 30 seconds worth of information?????!!!!!!!!????????
Clickbait. Annoying. I glance at segments and read comments now with these kind of videos.
Yes, indeed there was a lot drama, drugs and music…and lots of crazy…and truth in this…and that was even before Michelle arrived on my mother Tamar’s doorstep…then life itself became very strange, wild sometimes scary weird. A lot of life experiences shoved into just one before I was even a teen.
All the daughter would need to do is get a DNA test. The other relatives would lead her to the truth.
John was a terrible man had relations with his daughter. She had drug problems and just problems from her father, probably still if still with us..
Yes I heard. People are saying that affair didn’t start until she was 18. I find that hard to believe.
@@billbradley2480 no doesn’t matter, age has nothing to do with this. You are not supposed to have sex with minors, but most of all. You Are Not Supposed To Have Sex With Your Own Children or any Children. There is no gray area here
Chuck Day, who played guitar on a few songs . I should’ve just fast forwarded to the end . My gosh this was painfully long .
Who really cares who the father was? I'm pissed that Phillips thought it OK to tell Cass's secret
Absolutely fascinating documentary.
❤😂❤ Loved the Mamas snd Papas
Best narrator.
Her daughter revealed that she had known for years who fathered her for many years. She knew that her mom didn’t want the entire world to know this and didn’t speak up until she knew it was going to be released. Michelle was going to sell this info for a lot of money so Cass’s daughter decided to cut her legs off.
Cass truly was the band. They, the band and other people tried to paint Cass as a very, very unappeasable diva. Cass took pride in what she did and she took care of her voice from what I’ve heard.
Michelle was nothing but a jealous, hedonistic, complete narcissistic and bitter person.
I won’t call her a woman or a female even because this would sully all of womanhood!
Michelle Phillips was in an Episode of "Hammer House of Mystery and Suspense", Series 1 Episode 6 "Paint Me A Murder" from 1984. It was shown on the UKs Talking Pictures Channel recently.
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Such great musical talent in the Mamas and the Papas, but every one of them had very messed up personal lives.
Very good, informative, interesting. ❤
You do know what John did to McKenzie Philips right? Mama cass was the mama’s and pappa’s crazy 60/70’s love it!!!!
I wondered about the GIGANTIC ELEPHANTin the room. My god.🤢
How do you know it's true?
Any proof
@@Jameswilliams-hf1sz actually John and McKenzie did the talk show circuit plus wrote a book when they both sobers up and got clean look it up. I liked the mammas and pappas no skin off my nose what they did to each other. 🤪
@@leviashanken2506 oh and for your info even Michelle said it actually Michelle and McKenzie said it together John was a full blown junkie by than as was McKenzie thanks to good ole dad sticking the needle in her arm it’s written down it’s so sad but no one gave a shit back than. Go figure
"THOSE WERE THE DAYS MY FRIEND"
@Madelinedelisle5314
Didn't George Harrison produce that?
Lulu?
In those days everything was a mistery and reality (after it kicked in) nobody believed 😅
The house in Bel Air had been the home of Jeanette MacDonald and Gene Raymond. They sold it and downsized due to Jeanette's failing health.
Creeque Alley is their best song!! 🎵 👌
Why does Michelle Phillips think that she has the right to disclose Cass’s secrets??? Disgusting!!! Michelle is so low… she is still trying to abuse her in death !!! Hate to burst Michelle’s bubble but she can’t sing (she had no talent to sing w/ out Cass) no actual acting parts (where she was the lead… always just the supporting actor). Cass deserved so much more than her band mates gave her.
Well, you clicked on it like a fly landing on crap, didn't you?
I'M HAPPY THAT YOU MENTIONED KNOTS LANDING BCZ I WAS ON MY WAY TO THE COMMENTS AND STATE THAT FACT, THANK YOU AND LOVE YOUR VIDEOS 💜❤
Wasn't about Mama Cass at all. A 20 minute video so the narrator could talk about michelle
Dad is guitarist Chuck Day. You’re welcome.
Wow! She's still going
California Dreaming ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Omg with the clickbait titles already. Ffs
That whole scene was nefarious and creepy. With a whole lot of shady characters and musicians who had parents from military backgrounds CIA assets and MK Ultra stooges. The whole of the 60s was a Psyop.
@hector
Lamar806
How creepy is it?
Jim Morrison's dad was in the military.
Leave her alone, if she wanted it secret
Good for you.Keep on going. Best thing you did was leave those guys. Good Luck
I always thought the Mama's and the Papa's was a stupid name for a band.
No apostrophes.
as bad as The Rolling Stones. No moss but lots of dead wrinkled skin
Nnnnnawwwwww man!
I agree ☝️
Michelle Phillips played a good part alongside Martin Sheene in the ‘California Kid.’ ….a great hot rod movie ! 🤪
This vid could have been done in under 2 minutes to answer the click bait title.
WE NEVER GET THE ANSWER AS TO WHO THE FATHER IS.
I really like this guys story telling its spot on
Who raised Cassie’s child?
Cass left a void in the culture ….
It was not up to her to reveal this since Mama Cass made that choice. Such a toxic person. Her bandmate deserved much better than her. Her daughter and husband ( one of the Baldwin brothers) were neighbors for a few years on my street in Santa Barbara. He was so full of himself and was continuously floored that I could not care less if he is fanous. I know a jerk when I see one and he truly was one. The level of self procmainmed impirtance was nauseating. Having that said, there are also genuinely nice celebs too . I just never bought into the extreme worship of fame here in the US. It makes me very sad how Mama Cass was treated and how much heartache she had to endure when truly she made the band great.
Chuck Day is the father. He died in 2008, and was guitarist with Mamas and Papas.
I think the standard rock and roll answer is David Crosby.
A minute spent on what the title says and 19 minutes on Michelle. Click bait. Shame on you.
17:50 not a hotel but a flat owned by Harry Nilsson.
This is about Michelle not Cass. Click bait
I met MP once, she is not a nice person.
Remember when she was in Knots Landings 😂😢😮😅😊
Really terrific documentary - which only highlights nothing in life is ever as it seems.
What has all this got to do with Mama Kass
Tattletale tattletale you are a tattletale! ☺️
@@Mooredepthy6 🤥
@@Factinate No respect for Cass Elliot's wish to keep it a secret, how sad...
Blame that on Michelle!!
@@butterfliesarefreetofly6964 Well, if she made it public, then yes. If Own was ok with it, then is was ok.
@@Mooredepthy6 You turned this from my concerns for Owen's right for privacy into a war between men and women????
The Mammas and Pappas were a part of my childhood, it he music is classic.
So true.
I really thought it was going to be John Phillips.
mamas and papas were never allowed to sing in public they were forced to mime
Because they can’t fix Michelle’s poor singing out of the studio.
He have the right to tell any story he chooses..
has
why could they not leave it alone
I dont need a fucking history lesson
Um, why is this a bombshell?