Cass Eliot is the one who stands out from me when I think of the mamas and the papas. She most definitely gave the band what they needed for that perfect sound and perfect appearance imo. I hope she knew when she passed how special she was.
Why can’t they do a film about Cass Elliot? Her life, her wit, her ability to connect people, her emotional turmoil.... so interesting. Would make a great film.
I assumed you were talking about the incest I think she ended up a drug addict in the bottom somewhere on the strip in Nevada I saw some sort of a semi documentary on that one she's pretty well spill the beans on a whole deal
@@jimjoslyn7222 no I meant Michelle and John two-timing when he was married. She still seems to find it quite funny - unless the grins are a nervous reaction.
I can’t imagine what she must have felt like being judged so harshly for her looks. It’s so sad what women go through. Every TV appearance had the word ”large, big or huge,”
@Nat Like John wasn't messing around on her all the time. Maybe not with one of her friends, but he was pretty narcissistic himself. Read his autobiography.
He did write some good songs but I prefer Denny Doherty and Cass Elliott as they were great singers also another reason for Denny Doherty is one of my favourites is he's the Harbour Master on Theodore Tugboat my favourite tv show as a child
I can appreciate John’s genius but I can’t like anything about someone so sexually deviant. He slept with his own daughter and which led to his friends screwing his daughter. He was a drug counselor while he was still drinking. Good riddance to garbage when he died.
@@tonifelise6297 I stand corrected.. i guess the only real connection between the two of them is that they both died in the same Flat. I mean they DID know each other (perhaps professionally ) as there are several photos floating around of Cass, Michelle and Jimi hanging out together, i guess thats why i got mistaken.
John wanted Michelle, Denny wanted Michelle, Cass wanted Denny and Michelle wanted Denny and her freedom, head spinning stuff, I wonder did John's drug habit get worse after the divorce and did Denny turn to alcohol over her? She was beautiful but a bit of a vixen!
It is definitely a great song. But I think the fact that the backstory behind the song was grim made John, Denny, Cass, and Michelle less enthusiastic about the tune when performing and promoting it.
What a great story ! denny died at 67 yrs old, and John died at 65 years old, and cass died when she was 33 years old and all 3 were heart related. drugs, i.e. cocaine and amphetamines, lethal combinations.
What a great story. 👍😍 Most of us would be fortunate to leave a lasting impression through the next three or four generations, through our children and grandchildren, I've seen people's ashes found on a mantelpiece over a fireplace totally abandoned by the current resident, who unfortunate passed without having any children of his/her own. But, even if there was someone, how many people are going to be willing to accept the cremated remains of some obscure great or great great aunt or uncle, grandmother or grandfather, and place it in a place of honor or respect, let alone on their own mantelpiece? How long do you expect you'll be remembered, after you and your immediate family have passed? How long until people stop leaving flowers on your headstone altogether, even once a year on your birthday or the day you died? How far would you expect the ripples you've created in life to propagate out after you're gone? Most of us will only ever send those ripples out through time a generation or two, maybe three, unless we can leave a more lasting legacy in that wake. These people have left one of the most effective legacies imaginable behind, because their music will continue for as long as people have ears to hear it and a soul to inspire. (Provided we have a World in which the technology to listen still exists in a functional form, of course.) The ripples they've sent out don't only propagate from the impact of their music, though. They've managed to have and raise children of their own who have also demonstrated the same talents themselves. "Wilson-Phillips," is as directly related to, "The Mama's and the Papa's," as any children of legendary musicians have ever been. Both groups of people, coming together in very particular circumstances in particularly brief periods of time that have proven definitive to the success of establishing such a legacy. It's essentially as close as anyone can come to immortality as possible, arguably even more enduring than monuments carved in stone or places auspiciously named in their honor. It's the music, the music will endure through the ages. Music that wouldn't exist had these very particular four individuals not crossed paths, and spent the time, however fleeting, with each other in the first place. Those ripples have the potential to propagate indefinitely, and likely will. 👍
Every one likes to speculate on who is the most important member of Mamas & Papas and I suggest that without those tunes of Irving Berlin standard we would not be discussing the group today over 50 years later. Stand up John Phillips where ever you are and take a bow.
I sense their band friends had sex with their preteen daughter... McKenzie. I find these people appalling. It's no wonder their 'reign' lasted but three years...
There was a Mama & Paps tsong at the very end - The song was played over the credits - Please does anyone one know the name of this track ? - As usual these things are put up on You Tube with all the credits of the people who made the docu missing ? Who deserve a mention ?
John had it made -- hit records, a best-friend singer, and a pretty wife. Then the singer has sex with his wife; so he loses both in an instant, and the band is breaking up. And how was your day?
he didnt lose both. when he found out that Michelle was fooling around with Denny, and then she was seeing the guy from the Byrds, Michelle was fired bec John couldn't stand it any longer. Denny always stayed in the group, John didnt touch Denny's position as a group member.
@@DexterHaven I dont think so, after this went on they even lived together without the girls. I dont think he blamed him at all. He should have but he didn't. see "behind the music" The Mamas and The Papas
@@carlodangelo1 I have seen it. I paid attention to a part you seem to have overlooked -- the part where Denny says that once trust is lost, you can't put it back, like you can't get toothpaste back into the tube. He was talking about the trust between John and him as well, I think; that is the perfectly-rational inference; think about it -- your good friend and colleague has sex with your wife. You seem clueless if you think everything will be fine after that between John & Denny. Maybe you have no street smarts or life experience, though.
The lanky guy left his wife to marry the thin girl who herself went on to sh*g the other guy who himself was the one-way love interest of the fat one who herself was in a loveless marriage. And they STILL had a image of being swet and innocent!
She married her male friend for him to avoid military service. The marridge was nevr consummated and her kid was with someone else, the result of of JAM bunk-up. (just as mates)
@@kevind1931 "Michelle was officially fired from The Mamas & the Papas in June of 1966, to be replaced by vocalist and producer’s girlfriend Jill Gibson. Though Jill proved to be a talented singer and popular with the rest of the band, it was deemed that she lacked Michelle’s personality and innate performing ability." Michelle had to redo Jill's recorded parts on the album too. forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/picking-out-michelle-phillips-voice-in-mamas-and-papas-songs.443787/
I don't think Michelle should be blamed entirely. Denny was just as guilty. In fact, from all I've read, he pursued her more than she chased him. It takes 2.
It really is too bad Mama Cass croaked. I guess her estate could afford the super size urn it would have taken to store her ashes given the fact she was morbidly obese. If they had the traditional funeral with a coffin I'd imagine they had to use a Grand piano case to bury her. I'll bet the pallbearers had to visit the chiropractor regularly for the rest of their lives after that eventful day. What an amazing talent gone too soon.
@@rafterman5072 yeah your right, looking back at some of my posts makes me wonder how much wine I drank before submitting such comments. Thanks for your reply, best wishes
@@mysticalmargaret6105 Don't miss your anger management class, how's that coming along by the way? Your comments are welcomed, anticipated and expected, Thanks
Cass Eliot is the one who stands out from me when I think of the mamas and the papas. She most definitely gave the band what they needed for that perfect sound and perfect appearance imo. I hope she knew when she passed how special she was.
Why can’t they do a film about Cass Elliot? Her life, her wit, her ability to connect people, her emotional turmoil.... so interesting. Would make a great film.
There's one called mama cass Elliott bio
There’s like twenty documentaries on her try searching.
@@C0ND3V1L i think they mean a biopic, not a documentary
@horrorflickguy
Was thinking the same
Melissa McCarthy would be amazing. Wasn't she in Mike and Molly
What a band! but Mamma Cass was years ahead of her time! A Legend!
John and Michelle didn't seem to have any sense of shame at all about what they did to John's wife and kids.
I assumed you were talking about the incest I think she ended up a drug addict in the bottom somewhere on the strip in Nevada I saw some sort of a semi documentary on that one she's pretty well spill the beans on a whole deal
@@jimjoslyn7222 no I meant Michelle and John two-timing when he was married. She still seems to find it quite funny - unless the grins are a nervous reaction.
Spooky she was 16
@@MrC-ov1ht not during the newer interviews
@@spooky1304 she was 16. As s grown woman she is clearly embarrassed about it
It was Cass that made them a SUPERGROUP ....
I can’t imagine what she must have felt like being judged so harshly for her looks. It’s so sad what women go through. Every TV appearance had the word ”large, big or huge,”
Cass had a voice of an angel.
One of the best groups ever. Together with the Byrds and the Beach Boys. Their music will live forever !!
All L.A. bands, like The Doors.
Cass was a goddess
@Nat Like John wasn't messing around on her all the time. Maybe not with one of her friends, but he was pretty narcissistic himself. Read his autobiography.
Cass and Denny will always be my favourite members
He did write some good songs but I prefer Denny Doherty and Cass Elliott as they were great singers also another reason for Denny Doherty is one of my favourites is he's the Harbour Master on Theodore Tugboat my favourite tv show as a child
I can appreciate John’s genius but I can’t like anything about someone so sexually deviant. He slept with his own daughter and which led to his friends screwing his daughter. He was a drug counselor while he was still drinking. Good riddance to garbage when he died.
why do ppl keep ignoring that Cass was best friends with Jimi Hendrix, she lived with him, i just hate they keep forgetting this
She had a friend named Jim hendrix, not Jimi Hendreix the gaurtarist
@@tonifelise6297 I stand corrected.. i guess the only real connection between the two of them is that they both died in the same Flat. I mean they DID know each other (perhaps professionally ) as there are several photos floating around of Cass, Michelle and Jimi hanging out together, i guess thats why i got mistaken.
@@Keef_DGAF Keith moon of the who died in the same flat.
Harry Nilsson sold that flat after Keith Moon died there. Pete Townshend bought the flat. I would have sold it as well.
@@ladybuggs11 ok now i WANT yto live there.. Nillson owned it?
he is one of my favorite performers from that decade
Lots of new info. here. I've heard all documentaries but this is refreshing with the new stories. Thanks to Karen!!!
Its to bad that Bio never mentions that a lot of the music was performed by members of the wrecking crew. Give credit to all would be nice.
Denny wore the best threads
He did have nice style, as did Cass.
John wanted Michelle, Denny wanted Michelle, Cass wanted Denny and Michelle wanted Denny and her freedom, head spinning stuff, I wonder did John's drug habit get worse after the divorce and did Denny turn to alcohol over her? She was beautiful but a bit of a vixen!
Oh wow she was happy to be a home wrecker 😆 just sad
Thanks for posting this.
Mackenzie Phillips was so cute in "American Graffiti".
Thank you so much for the upload.
My fav song by far was i saw her again dont unferstand why it wasnt their biggest hit such a great song
I think their best 3 songs are "Go where you wanna go"; "CA Dreamin'; "Monday Monday." They still hold up.
It is definitely a great song. But I think the fact that the backstory behind the song was grim made John, Denny, Cass, and Michelle less enthusiastic about the tune when performing and promoting it.
Great biography
THUMBS UP to the Mamas and the Papas... THUMBS DOWN for not editing out the commercials
Whooohooo... so you didn't like the commercials?. Big deal. I'm sure you can do better. Be thankful some dude took the trouble to upload this.
@@someoneelse.2252 , If you put up a video, edit out the commercials. Everyone else does.
Jeff Gardner, I agree with you.
Are you mad? The Activia ad was amazing, and worth watching the whole thing.
@@HenningDiesel , You must be mad. Commercials are the worst. You must live a very boring life.
It’s a shame that sex and egos got in the way as they could have went on for who knows how long....
but you could say that about dozens of musical groups.
Wulliams ruined it with her cheating on both of them.
California Dreamin' Gold Standard song from that era.
My god, Mackenzie looks just like her mother. I thought it was Mackenzie at first
Saw a pic of Mac's real mother. Loons just like her
@@kevind1931 What was wrong with MacKenzies mom? I thought she was ok
All three of John's daughters look like their moms
What a great story ! denny died at 67 yrs old, and John died at 65 years old, and cass died when she was 33 years old and all 3 were heart related. drugs, i.e. cocaine and amphetamines, lethal combinations.
yes we all have google
2carlodangelo1 Cass Elliot had a heart attack due to her weight
Me too Denny. As hard as it was with alcohol just by the grace of God I did not descend into the hard stuff.
Wouldn't have been nearly as big without Denny.
Great video
Omg the ads are the worst ever over and out 4 in a?row 30 secs long
What a great story. 👍😍
Most of us would be fortunate to leave a lasting impression through the next three or four generations, through our children and grandchildren, I've seen people's ashes found on a mantelpiece over a fireplace totally abandoned by the current resident, who unfortunate passed without having any children of his/her own.
But, even if there was someone, how many people are going to be willing to accept the cremated remains of some obscure great or great great aunt or uncle, grandmother or grandfather, and place it in a place of honor or respect, let alone on their own mantelpiece?
How long do you expect you'll be remembered, after you and your immediate family have passed? How long until people stop leaving flowers on your headstone altogether, even once a year on your birthday or the day you died?
How far would you expect the ripples you've created in life to propagate out after you're gone?
Most of us will only ever send those ripples out through time a generation or two, maybe three, unless we can leave a more lasting legacy in that wake.
These people have left one of the most effective legacies imaginable behind, because their music will continue for as long as people have ears to hear it and a soul to inspire.
(Provided we have a World in which the technology to listen still exists in a functional form, of course.)
The ripples they've sent out don't only propagate from the impact of their music, though. They've managed to have and raise children of their own who have also demonstrated the same talents themselves.
"Wilson-Phillips," is as directly related to, "The Mama's and the Papa's," as any children of legendary musicians have ever been.
Both groups of people, coming together in very particular circumstances in particularly brief periods of time that have proven definitive to the success of establishing such a legacy.
It's essentially as close as anyone can come to immortality as possible, arguably even more enduring than monuments carved in stone or places auspiciously named in their honor.
It's the music, the music will endure through the ages. Music that wouldn't exist had these very particular four individuals not crossed paths, and spent the time, however fleeting, with each other in the first place.
Those ripples have the potential to propagate indefinitely, and likely will. 👍
Every teenage boy lusted after Michelle. SHE PLAYED THAT DEVIL MAY CARE THING TO THE HILT. STILL DOES.WHEW!
The best song made by the mamas and the papas will be California Dreamin' ngl is really good
No mention of the Monterey Pop Festival in 1967 that they helped promote. Needed all that time for booty-tang gossip.
It was the first big pop festival....
My stepmother use to go swimming at the same place as him in Halifax Nova Scotia.
Please, post the performance of The Mamas & The Papas on the Ed Sullivan Show on September 24, 1967
So John cheats and leaves his wife and kids and then gets cheated on. And Michelle was just an open door. 🤔. Karma I guess.
john phillips a fucking genius but too damn crazy
Rest peacefully Denny, Cass, and John
Mackenzie looks like her mom.
She's not Mackenzie's mom
Mackenzie's mom is Susan Adams Phillips January, she is shown in the video. Suzy was the first wife. 13:49
Mackenzie totally does look just like Suzie, her mom and John's first wife.
Spitting image of her mum
Chynna Phillips looks like Michelle
Every one likes to speculate on who is the most important member of Mamas & Papas and I suggest that without those tunes of Irving Berlin standard we would not be discussing the group today over 50 years later. Stand up John Phillips where ever you are and take a bow.
Cass was the best hands down. Sorry not sorry.
What a great group
Can’t believe he’s my grandpa I wish I knew more about him, he died before I was born
Who Denny or John?
I love their music, but I don't think I'd like John Phillips too much.
You need louder audio. Especially when there's music in the background, it's really hard to make out what they're saying
Denny looks like Steve Perry
Momma Cass was the Achilles heel of the mommas & the Papas
Michelle was only out for one thing; to be with John to advance her own agenda.
amyexner - seems that way
Of course. Just so happens her mother's name is Michelle.
53:49 I don't understand this part. Is Michelle talking about the last Mamas & the Papa's album or Cass' solo stuff?
I sense their band friends had sex with their preteen daughter... McKenzie. I find these people appalling. It's no wonder their 'reign' lasted but three years...
Michelle...got around.
The men got around too. It was the 60's.
Drugs....and being so young probably didn't help.
What year was this Biography?
There was a Mama & Paps tsong at the very end - The song was played over the credits - Please does anyone one know the name of this track ? -
As usual these things are put up on You Tube with all the credits of the people who made the docu missing ?
Who deserve a mention ?
"Twelve thirty" that's the song at the end
What's with all the ads?
gamble 26:00 California dreaming 27:55 drugs/alcohol36:53 affair38:26
Damn wearing a black dress with a black jacket and black shoes is considered modest for today.
John had it made -- hit records, a best-friend singer, and a pretty wife.
Then the singer has sex with his wife; so he loses both in an instant, and the band is breaking up. And how was your day?
he didnt lose both. when he found out that Michelle was fooling around with Denny, and then she was seeing the guy from the Byrds, Michelle was fired bec John couldn't stand it any longer. Denny always stayed in the group, John didnt touch Denny's position as a group member.
@@carlodangelo1 He lost Denny as a friend, after that betrayal. Words are often used figuratively, silly.
@@DexterHaven I dont think so, after this went on they even lived together without the girls. I dont think he blamed him at all. He should have but he didn't. see "behind the music" The Mamas and The Papas
@@carlodangelo1 I have seen it. I paid attention to a part you seem to have overlooked -- the part where Denny says that once trust is lost, you can't put it back, like you can't get toothpaste back into the tube. He was talking about the trust between John and him as well, I think; that is the perfectly-rational inference; think about it -- your good friend and colleague has sex with your wife. You seem clueless if you think everything will be fine after that between John & Denny. Maybe you have no street smarts or life experience, though.
@@DexterHaven wow, i didnt think any one would want to pick a fight with me on you tube. You are a disgusting person.
So it's like the beach boys told ya about summer,
The momma's and the poppas told ya about the reality that summer does end.
It's kinda sad!
20:28 i would be so sad and depressed lmao she’s such a beautiful woman I would’ve marry her
The lanky guy left his wife to marry the thin girl who herself went on to sh*g the other guy who himself was the one-way love interest of the fat one who herself was in a loveless marriage.
And they STILL had a image of being swet and innocent!
I don't think it was loveless marriage....Mama Cass has a child
She married her male friend for him to avoid military service. The marridge was nevr consummated and her kid was with someone else, the result of of JAM bunk-up. (just as mates)
Fat one? Oh. I guess you are the perfect specimen. Grow up!
@@marygill5618 growing up isn't really my thing. Its an early sympton of old age lol.
Seemed she got what she wanted. Marriage and commitment were not for her, she admitted.
Michelle was a problem
Could she actually sing?
Laurel canyon.
Dave McGowan's book... Weird scenes inside the canyon is great historical book
I can’t stand how they held michelle to a double standard and fired her. It wasn’t fair. She didn’t do anything men didn’t do.
Seems like Michelle Phillip the second was nothing but a face. John must regret giving her half credit for nothing
He rapped his own dauggter...he is nothing.
No Michelle was a very good singer. They tried to replace her but had to beg her to come back.
@@russcoleman2338 there was many girls back then they could have found. Tons of girls in the 60s could sing.
@@kevind1931
"Michelle was officially fired from The Mamas & the Papas in June of 1966, to be replaced by vocalist and producer’s girlfriend Jill Gibson. Though Jill proved to be a talented singer and popular with the rest of the band, it was deemed that she lacked Michelle’s personality and innate performing ability." Michelle had to redo Jill's recorded parts on the album too.
forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/picking-out-michelle-phillips-voice-in-mamas-and-papas-songs.443787/
@@russcoleman2338 her sound is very much apart of the group.
unwatchable, too many ads
Funny how michelle destroyed the men in the band.
I don't think Michelle should be blamed entirely. Denny was just as guilty. In fact, from all I've read, he pursued her more than she chased him. It takes 2.
@@jimanderson5883 She cheated on both of them,.Jjust saying that caused jealousy !
Vocal group debauched junkie lifestyle but liked by establishment USA ironic really..john was a super junkie according to keith richard
The big question is..how did Mama Cass stay so fat with all the drugs???lol
Smoked a lot of Weed, got the munchies lol
Now I’m hungry for a ham sandwich.
It really is too bad Mama Cass croaked.
I guess her estate could afford the super size urn it would have taken to store her ashes given the fact she was morbidly obese. If they had the traditional funeral with a coffin I'd imagine they had to use a Grand piano case to bury her. I'll bet the pallbearers had to visit the chiropractor regularly for the rest of their lives after that eventful day. What an amazing talent gone too soon.
You're a fucking idiot!
She wasn't even that big. Nowadays, I see people bigger than her daily.
@@rafterman5072 yeah your right, looking back at some of my posts makes me wonder how much wine I drank before submitting such comments. Thanks for your reply, best wishes
Loser troll.
@@mysticalmargaret6105 Don't miss your anger management class, how's that coming along by the way? Your comments are welcomed, anticipated and expected, Thanks
3:50 one of many lies. She was 16- papa popped minor Mackenzie as well
Incestuous