Over half way through and just realized how small your channel is, that's crazy! This is the type of quality i expect from channels magnitudes larger, we should watch your career with great interest.
The novelization should get this since it addresses a lot of these complaints. I understand you were doing the game alone and you could argue they did not have the technology to do Witcher 3 length in depth dialogue. The Unleashed novel is getting an unabridged audio book in November and I can't wait. In terms of Force powers, it's my favorite and I can't look at another Force user kindly when they complain about handling 20 people. Give me a break.
@@RickyUzumaki993 I mean, if Force sensatives were as weak as some of the movies and books make them out to be, they would be dead very quick among a galaxy of hostile trillions.
Not every force user has the same level of force potential and can't be expected to be capable of the same feats Starkiller was. Ashoka was very powerful for a Padawan especially from season 5 of The Clone Wars onward but she's no match for 20 people by herself. But someone like Cal Kestis probably could take on 20 guys without much issue, does that mean he's a better Jedi than Ashoka? No he's just better equipped for combat situations that don't involve droids. Obi-wan was not as powerful in the force nor was he as good of a lightsaber duelist as Anakin yet Anakin still lost their duel on Mustafar, not because Obi-wan was stronger but because he was smarter and more experienced.
Its funny you mention the idea of Starkiller using Kota's lightsaber in the second act because that's exactly what happens in the Force Unleashed novelization. There's even this neat moment where he combines it with his father's blue lightsaber crystal, giving the blade an aquamarine color which you never really see in Star Wars.
This is absolutely incredible, put this on while sick and everything made perfect sense despite my mind being in the abyss, freaking loved it man, hope you come out with more!
The funny thing about Proxy. He was my favorite character because of his simple and easy to understand motives. He also reminded me of HK-47 as they both had similar programming. They’re just built to kill, but they're so damn charming that you can overlook that they are probably not the best droids to be around. Then you brought up just how damn well they used Proxy in the story and it just makes me appreciate him even more.
It’s interesting how in the main version of the game the line delivery for the “drown in some cantina” line is so hopeful, compared to the Krome version where Starkiller sounds like he couldn’t care less. - Also, side note, as a sequels fan, I appreciate your negativity about them being genuine criticism, not mindless hate.
Concerning the Kota Question: either he withdrew from the force as best as he could because of his failure or he tested Galen. Let me explain the reasoning. In the extended Lore Kota is descripted as a very confident man thinking highly of his skills since he achieved everything despite comming later into the order then anyone else (we has already commanded tropps at the point) . His failure must have been all the more devastating to him. So he might have succumbed to self - doubt and rejected the force. More likely he did this until it called to him on Bespin. When he felt Galen he might have suspected his identity. but pretending to be blind to the force would have given him a chance to see how Galen dealt with an "easy pawn". Galen could have used the situation way more if he wanted but the way he interacted with Kota showed him to be the troubled individual that Kota knew he would find after his vision. Just my thoughts.
I have a theory about Stark killers parents and as to why they chose to move to Kashyyyk, it’s it’s probably wrong, but I’d like to think it was a similar reason to Yoda, jashyyyk like dagoba is mostly forest and is extremely powerful in the force, which is why Yoda chose to hide on dagoba, to hide his presence in the force, I’d like to think star killer was so powerful at birth that his parents chose to hide on a planet that is strong in the force to hide him.
To Answer your Question at 1:15:00 Those are simply referred to as Felucian flying manta's and Their Lore on Wookieepedia is very Slim, also Loving your Retrospective so far and I'm glad RUclips Recommended it keep up the great work sir
I've only ever played this game on the Wii and it's almost insane how much difference there is between that version and this version, it's almost a completely different game
@2:18:03 Red crystals were supposed to be made in a few ways, but apparently, you can also put your hate into a normal crystal to "make it bleed" and turn it red.
@@muigokublack6487 As someone who generally dislikes Disney lore, I think this one isn't that bad. Though the idea is that a potential Sith has to beat a Jedi without a saber at all. And that's dumb.
Man what a great video I put this on to listen to at work and was pretty shocked at the subscriber count. The amount of time and effort that went into this will take you far. Great work bro!
Your entire rant about the script of Vader saying he lied to star killer entirely hinges on you believing Vader. I think it was made very apparent Vader fully intended on overthrowing the emperor with starkiller but over the course of the game didn’t think it was possible and is now selling the idea that Starkiller was a tool of the emperor the whole time. Just found it weird that you took Vader at his word there.
@@FingFantasticFox You take the writers at their word. If youre lying about a lie to your audience and relying on character traits to make the plot make sense WITHOUT explaining that to your audience, you're writing poorly. End of story.
@@KateriYT i think at a certain point though the writers are not responsible for explaining everything. I find media literacy to be important and should be valued.
@@FingFantasticFox Its not worth it for me to type paragraphs here on this. It is the writers job to make their plot coherent enough that we don't have to assume a double lie out of a character to make it make sense That's not media literacy, that's bad writing
51:00 I understand your frustrations at this point. However, if you use both sticks (if using a controller) you can really give the metal a good pull, making the experience a little less painful. The metal, however is still frustratingly stiff and pain had been experienced many times for many of us Sith/Jedi.
About a third of the way through. I’m really glad to see someone going in depth on this game. It’s definitely a great one, but also has some glaring flaws. I personally have yet to replay it, and prefer the Wii version I had first. Although, that version has its own flaws for sure. I’d honestly love if you were willing to do a video like this on that version as well, since I think there’s a very different feel to the whole game, likely a result of a different team and different limitations and freedoms. Would definitely say I prefer the bosses and QTEs of that version, as well as some of the added events(even if the Jedi Temple missions make no sense). Would that be something you’re willing to do, out of curiosity? Either way, I love this video.
I definitely like the Jedi white robes it contrasts against Vader and the emperor black robes plus there hints black color to show there is some darkness in Starkiller.
not sure if anyone has said yet, but i've always thought the odd back and forth between vader and starkiller where vader says "your actions have left the emperor most displeased" vader was basically inferring it was time to betray the rebels, which is why starkiller replies with "i'm just now gaining their trust". vader in that moment realizes starkiller chose the rebels side, and that's why vader switches gears and shows up and captures the rebels. it's weird, a lot of scenes in this adaptation of the game take a bit of mental gymnastics to drive the plot forward, strictly because there isn't enough exposition given or down time. i imagine the studio mandated a time limit on the cutscenes or something to "prevent the player from getting bored" and that contributed to a lot of plot contrivances and inconsistencies here and there.
To answer your issue with people suddenly changing kyber crystals. In the lore you can "bleed" any crystal to turn it red by forcing darkness on it. This explains how Maris Brood had two red sabers. However ive never heard of healing a kyber crystal so im unsure how Galen got his hands on blue.. though it does make sense to have a light side variation of the process he was not actually lightside at that time. Only just being ordered to pretend to.
That's for current lore Though. Time of this games release it was just synthetic kyber crystals the Sith used. (if i remember correctly Red isn't a color Kyber crystals take.) And healing a kyber crystal turns it white. Like how Ahoska's current lightsaber Is white. She killed and inquisitor and healed his crystal.
I was already a Star Wars fan but seeing them in Soul Calibur was what made me get that game. There was also a short story that served as a prequel called "Visions Of The Blade". But I love this game. The PSP is the superior game in terms of content. Multiplayer, historic battles, Order 66, etc. REALLY fun.
The part in the Death Star where you were frustrated with having to wait for the beams isn’t as bad as you made it appear. In the footage, it seems like you are stopping and waiting every single time the beam is firing, which isn’t necessary. You can simply walk on either side of the beam while it’s firing as long as you do not go directly in its path, which cuts down on a ton of waiting. The only times you truly have to wait are when you need to break through the green glass (since there are no side paths there) and if the beam is firing during the section where you have to align the 3 rings. To me, those few slowdowns aren’t obnoxious and add some tension, but to each their own.
Okay so I remember there being 2 levels at a Jedi Temple which the video seems to talk about but not show, one before the first betrayal and one after. I recall fighting a sith the first time and I think Kento Marekthe second time. Is this part of the dlc or simply a different version of the game? I've heard that the PS2 and Xbox 360 versions are different, as the video mentioned during the junk planet, but didn't know for sure.
Played this on the Wii. The way the game changed tremendously between consoles is pretty crazy. Force Unleashed 1 on the Wii was epic. Force Unleashed 2 on the Wii was awful.
I overall agree with your critiques of the game's story. It was such an incredible experience for me as a kid and definitely still holds up today, the narrative not withstanding. I would've liked to see where you place the Emperor finisher in your rankings though, that one is pretty awesome too.
51:00 was due to the 60fps mod, I experienced that myself but chose to bite the bullet and remove the mod because I was tired of dealing with the caveats that came with it.
So I believe you’re miss interpreting the conversation at the beginning of the game between Galen and Kota. Kota says something along the lines of “I can see your future boy, Vader won’t always be your master… I can sense… I sense only … Me.” The way this plays out as Kota is seeing the premonition. He can tell Galen’s not inherently evil like others who draw on the dark side, more over he almost has a resistance to it much Like Revan did, once he reclaimed his memories. Kota then realizes that while he can clearly see Vader won’t always be his master, Kotas own interpretation of the vision changes as he experiences fear. The only thing he can see in the vision is Starkillers intention and determination of killing Kota in the immediate future. This isn’t Kota realizing he would eventually become his master, Kota probably had no idea. This is Kota realizing that the outcome of Starkillers future involved Kota no matter what. Which shook Kota realizing his vision had changed. You can hear it in the way his tone of voice and pitch change and get higher when he says “me…!” you can hear that uncertainty and fear. Infact without this premonition Kota probably would have overpowered Galen and won the fight, this is shown by how starkiller reacts to Kota detaching the bridge. The only reason I believe starkiller won, as you can see, Starkiller gains the advantage of the saber lock as Kota slips into this impending doom, which rattles him and causes the Master Jedi to falter in his contest of strength.
The reason he calls Marris Brood a slave to the dark side is because he's self reflecting, for the first time ever he's finally seeing what HE is, and he hates it, further still when she promises to leave the dark side behind he reasons that she deserves a second chance, just like he does, I think Marris as a character exists to push along Starkillers character development Another thing, I believe the reason Kotor withholds information from Starkiller is because he doesn't fully trust him, and he's trying to see which direction he will go
52:28 the Xbox 360 version talks about how the guardians get their energy from the force. The ps3 doesn’t clarify it. Just a weird difference between the two I guess.
Just thought id point out that when you're talking about the floor glowing during the fight with kota and you thinking its a graphical bug, it is actually a game mechanic. If you take long enough in the fight, the room you're in enters the planets atmosphere and starts burning up. You actually start taking damage if you stand on the hot floor and so does kota if you knock him into it. And when the qte starts, i assume that the room is no longer burning up due to some wierd physics stuff lol.
The Wii is the repackaged PS2 version. These came out at a time when last gen versions were completely different games. I personally like the Wii/PS2 version better
have you considered that vader tells starkiller that he lied from the beginning to bring out the anger in starkiller as he's senses his shift to the light side and the sith lie so palps saying he knew he would replace him is just him lying to him the same way he's lied to all of his apprentices, no doubt its written poorly but I do see an angle where it makes sense apart from that great video love it
Almost any piece of fiction that fails the test of logical cohesion can have an angle inserted to make it make sense The issue with that is it's an expansion of the information given. It's adding writing to the canon of information. It's, definitionally, fan fiction.
I like the closing remarks I wish this wasn’t legends but canon cause damn it would be a great if Balen skoll from Ashoka turned out to actually be star killer who assumed the identity but it’s a big stretch.
I get this is the first vid on the channel and all, but the way your audio peaks in the rant segments is *very* annoying. That aside, your big rant about the "I lied as I have from the very beginning" line is especially aggravating because of how literal you took it. Vader isn't referring to his very first interaction with Starkiller. For one, the latter is a toddler who more than likely forgot/suppressed that memory; while the former never hinted at anything with "come with me if you wanna live" beyond just that. Vader was visibly surprised to find the kid there with the power greater than the Jedi master he just clobbered, yet you think he came up with the grand deception within those seconds? Vader's obviously saying he lied about his intent in starting the rebellion through Starkiller. The lie being the "take your revenge and fulfill your destiny" lines from that scene in the medical room. He could care less about the rebellion aspect since stomping out rebellion is just Tuesday to him, and how he found his apprentice in the first place. The goal was always to gather the empire's political enemies as a distraction to all the attention Vader put on himself by training a secret apprentice in the first place. One that's conquered two worlds and killed two Jedi masters in very short succession, something that even without Palpatine's immense power in the force; in sensing things especially, would make Vader look mighty suspicious. The rebellion rising gave Vader time to get away from the prying eyes of Palpatine and his spies, to do his job of stomping out another rebellion, to deliver the leaders to Palpatine for personal execution. The final presents two very likely possible outcomes. The first is that this act of presenting the enemies of the empire grants Vader a proverbial gold star from his master, proving his loyalty to the empire and more importantly his loyalty to the dark side in manipulating so much to achieve this day. The second possibility is a deception tactic to make Palpatine blind with pride in humiliating/executing the rebel leaders that he takes that moment to overthrow him. Both are plausible and can be inferred from, but above all else are rendered null by Starkiller coming back; thus throwing a wrench into both scenarios. The part that made me pause the vid to collect my thoughts for this novel of a comment was when you thought Sideous saying he knew meant he was in on the plot from the beginning too. There's this wonderful thing in writing called inference; where the story trusts you enough to put two and two together from a few nuggets. This line, tucked away in the alternative ending no less, is that. Palpatine learned second-hand about Starkiller, be it through spies, through the sheer noise made by star destroyers crashing and planets being conquered with little to no imperial survivors, or through him just sensing the presence in the force (reminder, he senses Vader's defeat on Mustafar all the way from Corescant in ROTS); the way he learned is irrelevant and left up to inference for that reason. If Vader told him about the *secret* apprentice he trains with the express intent of becoming the next Sith, Palpatine would've just took Starkiller and made him one of his many backup plans for betraying Vader. Palpatine says he 'always knew of the plan' because the betrayal game is page one of the Sith handbook, one Palpatine routinely took part in with him training Maul while he was still Plageuis' apprentice; or grooming Dooku and Anakin practically at the same time; or his own list of backup ideas for betraying Vader all the way up to him wanting to groom Luke in ROTJ. Upon learning of this secret apprentice, Palpatine orders he be killed to test Vader's loyalty, and again it's left to inference whether he knows of his survival alongside Vader or not. But allows the rebellion plot to play out because it gives him the pride of seeing Vader's commitment to the empire and the dark side, it gives him his political enemies hand delivered to him, and it gives several chances for the Starkiller problem to be dealt with once and for all. Be it from crashing star destroyers, Vader doing his job, or Palps doing it himself. The gains outweigh the losses when Starkiller himself says neither care about disposable money and assets. All in all this review was okay in everything but rants and this one was especially rough to listen to. The one point you had was Starkiller's "you agreed" line being nowhere in the script before the fight, and it should've been left at that. You really missed the mark on the rest of the rant m8.
Great video I don't like this game I wish it was just Vader hunting Jedi as a game like the purge comics Starkiller is just too much for me especially him beating Vader in both games plus the story as you've pointed has so many problems. Nice to see another Mauler fan long live the longman.
This is an incredibly disputable statement. The only records of Jedi having children in either continuity that they *didn't* hide from the Council was Ki-Adi-Mundi, and his was due to the low birth rate present in his species. The evidence would show that they were, in fact, not allowed to have children as a standard.
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If I Continued This To Force Unleashed 3. I'll Embrace The Fact That These two games aren't Canon. More Creative Freedom for Me. It Take Place after The Sith Ending of This game, and It's Sith Hoth DLC. As an Opening: Sideous, after Learning Of Luke Sky walker's Capture, Makes Starkiller and Luke, (assumed to Be turned Fully under The Dark side) And Forces them to Duke it Out, In order to Serve the Rule of 2. The Beginning of The Game is a Tutorial Boss Fight with Dark Side Luke. We Defeat Luke Enough, where cutscene plays out Like The Button Prompt of the end of the Bosses of The First Game. But instead of constantly Pressing Buttons During The Cutscene, You Just get the Pleasure of Watching Luke and Galen Merrick Slashing Lightsabers in such a Fast Flurry, That Sparks Come Flying out Like Rain. They Do that Until They Stike each other Back at Opposite ends of The Room, Then Sprint at Full Speed To Lock Blades Right infront of The Emperor, Whos Enjoying this with Twisted Enjoyment. Galen and Luke Charge Purple and Red Lightning into Their Blades that are Pushing against each other. Then, With The Might of The Two Warriors, They Channel all that Energy, And Unleash it at Palpetine. But The Emperor, Predicting This, Force Pushes That Energy away, It's You and Luke VS Emperor Palpetine, The TRUE first Boss, With The Emperor Weilding His Iconic 2 Lightsabers from that Fight against Darth Maul and his Brother. The Fight Leads to a Knocked out Luke, and Starkiller Force Pulls Luke's Lightsaber to his Free hand to Block The Force Lightning from Sidieous. Galen, Being Weakened without The Sith Holocron inside his Back. Almost Loses, But Then Darth VADER comes Back as Force Ghost to Help Save his Son. And it Plays out like Mace windu Blocking Force Lightning from Revenge of The Sith. In The Emperor's Last Moments, Realizing his Position. Accepts his Fate and Dies. Leaving Starkiller as The Emperor's Successor.
Ye i love this game!!! This and Clone Wars certainly washed away the foul taste the snooze fest, awfully written, political nightmares of the prequels. Back in 2011 (yes i was late) i thought "huh so does star wars no longer create fun compelling character arcs anymore" before being proven wrong by Dave Filoni, Sam Witwer & many others!! it's almost as if one person not having too much power is a good thing... now that we have Rebels, Bad Batch, Rogue One, Force Awakens, Mandalorian, Ahsoka, JFO, JS etc i feel stupid for worrying about star wars no longer creating compelling stories, but back then....
you don't change the lightsaber crystal when u go dark side, you "bleed it" using the dark side, which corrupts the crystal and gives it the red colour...
Did some research after reading this. You're correct that there is a lightsaber color change in the lore through an effect called bleeding, and this would explain Maris' lightsaber change, but it would have to be the fastest bleed in all of Star Wars lore. It would also create a continuity error if bleeding happened at that pace with Starkiller's new blue crystal not turning eventually red. Thank you for the information. Also, there are still natural red crystals and they can be materially synthesized from other crystals, so bleeding isn't the only red crystals explanation in Star Wars lore.
But that is current lore. Bleeding crystals wasn't the lore present in this games release. I guess we could include it as head canon but time of release that isn't how it works.
So the conversations that you have a problem with 1. Women will do anything for one’s they love. My wife boss ass bitch at work. However when she’s not at work she makes me the boss. 2. In subverting an enemy you need to make all parties involved believe that they are getting some sort of reward at the end she believes that table will be rewarded by the empire at the end of the for participating.
@ no it isn’t but it’s reality, that’s what creates the immersion for the player. Writing along with reality, you talk about Juno in the video like she is real until she does something to you don’t like. Proving your immersion into the gamescape. I’m actually enjoying your video because you are a nerd and a gamer who can’t help but be immersed.
Really wanted to appreciate the video but the annoying loud background music killed it. What is it with RUclipsrs copying each other's crap standards ? A video essay with a calm voice, a comfortable pace, relevant illustrations, it's all we should require for such format. What a pity :(
@@Milo95 I copied what I prefer to watch. I prefer my video essays with background music, increases the quality and engagement. I think the presence of it in most essays is evidence that most people agree, as the video is incredibly empty without it. A shame you disagree, but I hope you find the content youre looking for.
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1:15:00 those are felucian flying mantas or rippers
Over half way through and just realized how small your channel is, that's crazy! This is the type of quality i expect from channels magnitudes larger, we should watch your career with great interest.
Same
Should watch his ultimate alliance review as well.
got in to retrospective videos recently and this is exactly what I wanted. I will sleep happy for weeks
The novelization should get this since it addresses a lot of these complaints. I understand you were doing the game alone and you could argue they did not have the technology to do Witcher 3 length in depth dialogue. The Unleashed novel is getting an unabridged audio book in November and I can't wait. In terms of Force powers, it's my favorite and I can't look at another Force user kindly when they complain about handling 20 people. Give me a break.
Agreed
@@RickyUzumaki993 I mean, if Force sensatives were as weak as some of the movies and books make them out to be, they would be dead very quick among a galaxy of hostile trillions.
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@@darthbane3937 Plus we've seen other force users in the lore bring down bigger things than a Star Destroyer.
Not every force user has the same level of force potential and can't be expected to be capable of the same feats Starkiller was. Ashoka was very powerful for a Padawan especially from season 5 of The Clone Wars onward but she's no match for 20 people by herself. But someone like Cal Kestis probably could take on 20 guys without much issue, does that mean he's a better Jedi than Ashoka? No he's just better equipped for combat situations that don't involve droids.
Obi-wan was not as powerful in the force nor was he as good of a lightsaber duelist as Anakin yet Anakin still lost their duel on Mustafar, not because Obi-wan was stronger but because he was smarter and more experienced.
Its funny you mention the idea of Starkiller using Kota's lightsaber in the second act because that's exactly what happens in the Force Unleashed novelization. There's even this neat moment where he combines it with his father's blue lightsaber crystal, giving the blade an aquamarine color which you never really see in Star Wars.
This is absolutely incredible, put this on while sick and everything made perfect sense despite my mind being in the abyss, freaking loved it man, hope you come out with more!
This brought back so many fond memories for me, one of my favorite games of all time. Thank you so much for making this video.
The funny thing about Proxy. He was my favorite character because of his simple and easy to understand motives. He also reminded me of HK-47 as they both had similar programming. They’re just built to kill, but they're so damn charming that you can overlook that they are probably not the best droids to be around.
Then you brought up just how damn well they used Proxy in the story and it just makes me appreciate him even more.
It’s interesting how in the main version of the game the line delivery for the “drown in some cantina” line is so hopeful, compared to the Krome version where Starkiller sounds like he couldn’t care less.
- Also, side note, as a sequels fan, I appreciate your negativity about them being genuine criticism, not mindless hate.
Concerning the Kota Question: either he withdrew from the force as best as he could because of his failure or he tested Galen. Let me explain the reasoning. In the extended Lore Kota is descripted as a very confident man thinking highly of his skills since he achieved everything despite comming later into the order then anyone else (we has already commanded tropps at the point) . His failure must have been all the more devastating to him. So he might have succumbed to self - doubt and rejected the force.
More likely he did this until it called to him on Bespin. When he felt Galen he might have suspected his identity. but pretending to be blind to the force would have given him a chance to see how Galen dealt with an "easy pawn". Galen could have used the situation way more if he wanted but the way he interacted with Kota showed him to be the troubled individual that Kota knew he would find after his vision.
Just my thoughts.
1. Pretty damn generous
2. Good writing wouldn't require this level is dissection, sadly.
I have a theory about Stark killers parents and as to why they chose to move to Kashyyyk, it’s it’s probably wrong, but I’d like to think it was a similar reason to Yoda, jashyyyk like dagoba is mostly forest and is extremely powerful in the force, which is why Yoda chose to hide on dagoba, to hide his presence in the force, I’d like to think star killer was so powerful at birth that his parents chose to hide on a planet that is strong in the force to hide him.
To Answer your Question at 1:15:00 Those are simply referred to as Felucian flying manta's and Their Lore on Wookieepedia is very Slim, also Loving your Retrospective so far and I'm glad RUclips Recommended it keep up the great work sir
Starting your channel with a banger I see.
I've only ever played this game on the Wii and it's almost insane how much difference there is between that version and this version, it's almost a completely different game
After TFU2, I'm gonna do TFU Wii Retrospective because of this fact
@2:18:03 Red crystals were supposed to be made in a few ways, but apparently, you can also put your hate into a normal crystal to "make it bleed" and turn it red.
In Disney canon yeah but in the EU red crystals are synthetic. They're not real kyber crystals.
@@muigokublack6487 As someone who generally dislikes Disney lore, I think this one isn't that bad. Though the idea is that a potential Sith has to beat a Jedi without a saber at all. And that's dumb.
Man what a great video I put this on to listen to at work and was pretty shocked at the subscriber count. The amount of time and effort that went into this will take you far. Great work bro!
We all have to start somewhere. Thank you for the watch and kind words :)
This man needs more subs and views ASAP. Keep up the good work my friend!
Your entire rant about the script of Vader saying he lied to star killer entirely hinges on you believing Vader. I think it was made very apparent Vader fully intended on overthrowing the emperor with starkiller but over the course of the game didn’t think it was possible and is now selling the idea that Starkiller was a tool of the emperor the whole time. Just found it weird that you took Vader at his word there.
@@FingFantasticFox You take the writers at their word. If youre lying about a lie to your audience and relying on character traits to make the plot make sense WITHOUT explaining that to your audience, you're writing poorly. End of story.
@@KateriYT i think at a certain point though the writers are not responsible for explaining everything. I find media literacy to be important and should be valued.
@@FingFantasticFox Its not worth it for me to type paragraphs here on this. It is the writers job to make their plot coherent enough that we don't have to assume a double lie out of a character to make it make sense
That's not media literacy, that's bad writing
@@KateriYT agree to disagree I guess.
I always felt it changed when the emperor showed up and told him to kill starkiller
I finished the video. I loved the formar. Your voice is good and you way to speak is good. Keep going, bro! I wait for the next video
Thank you for watching! Will do!
Ah your first video essay and it’s star wars! A surprise to be sure but a welcome one, we shall watch your career with great interest.. :)
Backwards lightsaber is still cool!
Really nice vid bro. Crazy that this is your first video. keep up the great work!
Most underrated channel.
I always thought that he’s picking up the pieces of his saber because he doesn’t want Vader to see him struggling with his saber construction
This would be a fair interpretation
51:00
I understand your frustrations at this point. However, if you use both sticks (if using a controller) you can really give the metal a good pull, making the experience a little less painful. The metal, however is still frustratingly stiff and pain had been experienced many times for many of us Sith/Jedi.
About a third of the way through. I’m really glad to see someone going in depth on this game. It’s definitely a great one, but also has some glaring flaws. I personally have yet to replay it, and prefer the Wii version I had first. Although, that version has its own flaws for sure. I’d honestly love if you were willing to do a video like this on that version as well, since I think there’s a very different feel to the whole game, likely a result of a different team and different limitations and freedoms. Would definitely say I prefer the bosses and QTEs of that version, as well as some of the added events(even if the Jedi Temple missions make no sense). Would that be something you’re willing to do, out of curiosity? Either way, I love this video.
Maybe someday but unlikely anytime soon. I have a list of games I'm going through.
@@KateriYT Fair. Great video either way.
I definitely like the Jedi white robes it contrasts against Vader and the emperor black robes plus there hints black color to show there is some darkness in Starkiller.
Looking forward to seeing more videos from you! Hopefully also in a long format as this was extremely enjoyable
If you like long format, just you wait for the next one.
not sure if anyone has said yet, but i've always thought the odd back and forth between vader and starkiller where vader says "your actions have left the emperor most displeased" vader was basically inferring it was time to betray the rebels, which is why starkiller replies with "i'm just now gaining their trust". vader in that moment realizes starkiller chose the rebels side, and that's why vader switches gears and shows up and captures the rebels. it's weird, a lot of scenes in this adaptation of the game take a bit of mental gymnastics to drive the plot forward, strictly because there isn't enough exposition given or down time. i imagine the studio mandated a time limit on the cutscenes or something to "prevent the player from getting bored" and that contributed to a lot of plot contrivances and inconsistencies here and there.
Highly underrated channel
Like how the tangent about leveling at 29 mins just describes kotor skill tree
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Great video mate can't wait for the dlc video
Great video I can’t wait for more!
So Kota’s force bubble is how he intended to survive the fall into nar shadda?
To answer your issue with people suddenly changing kyber crystals. In the lore you can "bleed" any crystal to turn it red by forcing darkness on it. This explains how Maris Brood had two red sabers. However ive never heard of healing a kyber crystal so im unsure how Galen got his hands on blue.. though it does make sense to have a light side variation of the process he was not actually lightside at that time. Only just being ordered to pretend to.
That's for current lore Though. Time of this games release it was just synthetic kyber crystals the Sith used. (if i remember correctly Red isn't a color Kyber crystals take.) And healing a kyber crystal turns it white. Like how Ahoska's current lightsaber Is white. She killed and inquisitor and healed his crystal.
@@TheLoveless26 unfortunately this is Disney canon only. The legends timeline utilized synthetic crystals.
And purifying “bled” crystals turns them white-that’s where Ahsoka’s white sabers come from.
SWFU is peak Videogame!!
I was already a Star Wars fan but seeing them in Soul Calibur was what made me get that game. There was also a short story that served as a prequel called "Visions Of The Blade".
But I love this game. The PSP is the superior game in terms of content. Multiplayer, historic battles, Order 66, etc. REALLY fun.
i got this game on Nintendo wii i loved it on the wii made me feel badass like i was the sith lord
I’m replaying this now on PS, but I originally played it on the Wii. The motion controls really made this game ridiculously fun to play on that
The part in the Death Star where you were frustrated with having to wait for the beams isn’t as bad as you made it appear. In the footage, it seems like you are stopping and waiting every single time the beam is firing, which isn’t necessary. You can simply walk on either side of the beam while it’s firing as long as you do not go directly in its path, which cuts down on a ton of waiting. The only times you truly have to wait are when you need to break through the green glass (since there are no side paths there) and if the beam is firing during the section where you have to align the 3 rings.
To me, those few slowdowns aren’t obnoxious and add some tension, but to each their own.
Okay so I remember there being 2 levels at a Jedi Temple which the video seems to talk about but not show, one before the first betrayal and one after. I recall fighting a sith the first time and I think Kento Marekthe second time. Is this part of the dlc or simply a different version of the game? I've heard that the PS2 and Xbox 360 versions are different, as the video mentioned during the junk planet, but didn't know for sure.
Ps2 version
Played this on the Wii. The way the game changed tremendously between consoles is pretty crazy. Force Unleashed 1 on the Wii was epic. Force Unleashed 2 on the Wii was awful.
I overall agree with your critiques of the game's story. It was such an incredible experience for me as a kid and definitely still holds up today, the narrative not withstanding. I would've liked to see where you place the Emperor finisher in your rankings though, that one is pretty awesome too.
51:00 was due to the 60fps mod, I experienced that myself but chose to bite the bullet and remove the mod because I was tired of dealing with the caveats that came with it.
So I believe you’re miss interpreting the conversation at the beginning of the game between Galen and Kota.
Kota says something along the lines of “I can see your future boy, Vader won’t always be your master… I can sense… I sense only … Me.”
The way this plays out as Kota is seeing the premonition. He can tell Galen’s not inherently evil like others who draw on the dark side, more over he almost has a resistance to it much Like Revan did, once he reclaimed his memories.
Kota then realizes that while he can clearly see Vader won’t always be his master, Kotas own interpretation of the vision changes as he experiences fear. The only thing he can see in the vision is Starkillers intention and determination of killing Kota in the immediate future.
This isn’t Kota realizing he would eventually become his master, Kota probably had no idea. This is Kota realizing that the outcome of Starkillers future involved Kota no matter what. Which shook Kota realizing his vision had changed.
You can hear it in the way his tone of voice and pitch change and get higher when he says “me…!” you can hear that uncertainty and fear.
Infact without this premonition Kota probably would have overpowered Galen and won the fight, this is shown by how starkiller reacts to Kota detaching the bridge. The only reason I believe starkiller won, as you can see, Starkiller gains the advantage of the saber lock as Kota slips into this impending doom, which rattles him and causes the Master Jedi to falter in his contest of strength.
The reason he calls Marris Brood a slave to the dark side is because he's self reflecting, for the first time ever he's finally seeing what HE is, and he hates it, further still when she promises to leave the dark side behind he reasons that she deserves a second chance, just like he does, I think Marris as a character exists to push along Starkillers character development
Another thing, I believe the reason Kotor withholds information from Starkiller is because he doesn't fully trust him, and he's trying to see which direction he will go
I love your content bro, too fkn notch
The year of my birth! I was born the same day the Clone Wars episode Destory Malevolence aired!
Awesome video dude
I’m really sad, I got mostly through this game, to the star destroyer part where janky controls had me a minor bit stuck and my Xbox broke
52:28 the Xbox 360 version talks about how the guardians get their energy from the force. The ps3 doesn’t clarify it. Just a weird difference between the two I guess.
I hope you review more Star Wars video games
Just thought id point out that when you're talking about the floor glowing during the fight with kota and you thinking its a graphical bug, it is actually a game mechanic. If you take long enough in the fight, the room you're in enters the planets atmosphere and starts burning up. You actually start taking damage if you stand on the hot floor and so does kota if you knock him into it. And when the qte starts, i assume that the room is no longer burning up due to some wierd physics stuff lol.
Just curious, are playing this on the Xbox 360? I’ve only ever play The Force Unleashed on the Wii and it looks quite a bit different
The Wii is the repackaged PS2 version. These came out at a time when last gen versions were completely different games. I personally like the Wii/PS2 version better
have you considered that vader tells starkiller that he lied from the beginning to bring out the anger in starkiller as he's senses his shift to the light side and the sith lie so palps saying he knew he would replace him is just him lying to him the same way he's lied to all of his apprentices, no doubt its written poorly but I do see an angle where it makes sense
apart from that great video love it
Almost any piece of fiction that fails the test of logical cohesion can have an angle inserted to make it make sense
The issue with that is it's an expansion of the information given. It's adding writing to the canon of information. It's, definitionally, fan fiction.
Subbed, look forward to more
I think that starkiller might be so powerful in the force that he sees the flashes, but nobody else would. Just an idea
Just realized this video js 3 hours long holy shit let's goo
Wii version > this Xbox 360
you should do FU2
I like the closing remarks I wish this wasn’t legends but canon cause damn it would be a great if Balen skoll from Ashoka turned out to actually be star killer who assumed the identity but it’s a big stretch.
100/10 game it’s still the greatest starwars game ever made.
I hope you do this for more SW games
I was always under the impression that Force Unleashed was never canon, because having a sith that powerful, even in Legends, would break the universe
Force Unleashed was, in fact, considered a canonical story before Disney placed the Legends label on it
Literally 100% this last month…
I get this is the first vid on the channel and all, but the way your audio peaks in the rant segments is *very* annoying.
That aside, your big rant about the "I lied as I have from the very beginning" line is especially aggravating because of how literal you took it. Vader isn't referring to his very first interaction with Starkiller. For one, the latter is a toddler who more than likely forgot/suppressed that memory; while the former never hinted at anything with "come with me if you wanna live" beyond just that. Vader was visibly surprised to find the kid there with the power greater than the Jedi master he just clobbered, yet you think he came up with the grand deception within those seconds?
Vader's obviously saying he lied about his intent in starting the rebellion through Starkiller. The lie being the "take your revenge and fulfill your destiny" lines from that scene in the medical room. He could care less about the rebellion aspect since stomping out rebellion is just Tuesday to him, and how he found his apprentice in the first place. The goal was always to gather the empire's political enemies as a distraction to all the attention Vader put on himself by training a secret apprentice in the first place. One that's conquered two worlds and killed two Jedi masters in very short succession, something that even without Palpatine's immense power in the force; in sensing things especially, would make Vader look mighty suspicious. The rebellion rising gave Vader time to get away from the prying eyes of Palpatine and his spies, to do his job of stomping out another rebellion, to deliver the leaders to Palpatine for personal execution. The final presents two very likely possible outcomes. The first is that this act of presenting the enemies of the empire grants Vader a proverbial gold star from his master, proving his loyalty to the empire and more importantly his loyalty to the dark side in manipulating so much to achieve this day. The second possibility is a deception tactic to make Palpatine blind with pride in humiliating/executing the rebel leaders that he takes that moment to overthrow him. Both are plausible and can be inferred from, but above all else are rendered null by Starkiller coming back; thus throwing a wrench into both scenarios.
The part that made me pause the vid to collect my thoughts for this novel of a comment was when you thought Sideous saying he knew meant he was in on the plot from the beginning too. There's this wonderful thing in writing called inference; where the story trusts you enough to put two and two together from a few nuggets. This line, tucked away in the alternative ending no less, is that. Palpatine learned second-hand about Starkiller, be it through spies, through the sheer noise made by star destroyers crashing and planets being conquered with little to no imperial survivors, or through him just sensing the presence in the force (reminder, he senses Vader's defeat on Mustafar all the way from Corescant in ROTS); the way he learned is irrelevant and left up to inference for that reason. If Vader told him about the *secret* apprentice he trains with the express intent of becoming the next Sith, Palpatine would've just took Starkiller and made him one of his many backup plans for betraying Vader. Palpatine says he 'always knew of the plan' because the betrayal game is page one of the Sith handbook, one Palpatine routinely took part in with him training Maul while he was still Plageuis' apprentice; or grooming Dooku and Anakin practically at the same time; or his own list of backup ideas for betraying Vader all the way up to him wanting to groom Luke in ROTJ.
Upon learning of this secret apprentice, Palpatine orders he be killed to test Vader's loyalty, and again it's left to inference whether he knows of his survival alongside Vader or not. But allows the rebellion plot to play out because it gives him the pride of seeing Vader's commitment to the empire and the dark side, it gives him his political enemies hand delivered to him, and it gives several chances for the Starkiller problem to be dealt with once and for all. Be it from crashing star destroyers, Vader doing his job, or Palps doing it himself. The gains outweigh the losses when Starkiller himself says neither care about disposable money and assets.
All in all this review was okay in everything but rants and this one was especially rough to listen to. The one point you had was Starkiller's "you agreed" line being nowhere in the script before the fight, and it should've been left at that. You really missed the mark on the rest of the rant m8.
Great video I don't like this game I wish it was just Vader hunting Jedi as a game like the purge comics Starkiller is just too much for me especially him beating Vader in both games plus the story as you've pointed has so many problems. Nice to see another Mauler fan long live the longman.
Actually jedi could have as many kids with as many people as they want, they just can't get attached
This is an incredibly disputable statement. The only records of Jedi having children in either continuity that they *didn't* hide from the Council was Ki-Adi-Mundi, and his was due to the low birth rate present in his species.
The evidence would show that they were, in fact, not allowed to have children as a standard.
God I would love another game like Force Unleashed just a fun what if game
u gotta drop the vid on the dlc bruh
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If I Continued This To Force Unleashed 3.
I'll Embrace The Fact That These two games aren't Canon.
More Creative Freedom for Me.
It Take Place after The Sith Ending of This game, and It's Sith Hoth DLC.
As an Opening:
Sideous, after Learning Of Luke Sky walker's Capture,
Makes Starkiller and Luke, (assumed to Be turned Fully under The Dark side)
And Forces them to Duke it Out,
In order to Serve the Rule of 2.
The Beginning of The Game is a Tutorial Boss Fight with Dark Side Luke.
We Defeat Luke Enough,
where cutscene plays out Like The Button Prompt of the end of the Bosses of The First Game.
But instead of constantly Pressing Buttons During The Cutscene,
You Just get the Pleasure of Watching Luke and Galen Merrick Slashing Lightsabers in such a Fast Flurry,
That Sparks Come Flying out Like Rain.
They Do that Until They Stike each other Back at Opposite ends of The Room,
Then Sprint at Full Speed To Lock Blades Right infront of The Emperor,
Whos Enjoying this with Twisted Enjoyment.
Galen and Luke Charge Purple and Red Lightning into Their Blades that are Pushing against each other.
Then, With The Might of The Two Warriors,
They Channel all that Energy,
And Unleash it at Palpetine.
But The Emperor, Predicting This,
Force Pushes That Energy away,
It's You and Luke VS Emperor Palpetine, The TRUE first Boss,
With The Emperor Weilding
His Iconic 2 Lightsabers from that Fight against Darth Maul and his Brother.
The Fight Leads to a Knocked out Luke, and Starkiller Force Pulls Luke's Lightsaber to his Free hand to Block The Force Lightning from Sidieous.
Galen, Being Weakened without The Sith Holocron inside his Back.
Almost Loses,
But Then Darth VADER comes Back as Force Ghost to Help Save his Son.
And it Plays out like Mace windu Blocking Force Lightning from Revenge of The Sith.
In The Emperor's Last Moments, Realizing his Position.
Accepts his Fate and Dies.
Leaving Starkiller as The Emperor's Successor.
Ye i love this game!!! This and Clone Wars certainly washed away the foul taste the snooze fest, awfully written, political nightmares of the prequels. Back in 2011 (yes i was late) i thought "huh so does star wars no longer create fun compelling character arcs anymore" before being proven wrong by Dave Filoni, Sam Witwer & many others!! it's almost as if one person not having too much power is a good thing... now that we have Rebels, Bad Batch, Rogue One, Force Awakens, Mandalorian, Ahsoka, JFO, JS etc i feel stupid for worrying about star wars no longer creating compelling stories, but back then....
Subbed for backwards lightsaber
2:01:44 Jar jar??
you don't change the lightsaber crystal when u go dark side, you "bleed it" using the dark side, which corrupts the crystal and gives it the red colour...
Did some research after reading this. You're correct that there is a lightsaber color change in the lore through an effect called bleeding, and this would explain Maris' lightsaber change, but it would have to be the fastest bleed in all of Star Wars lore. It would also create a continuity error if bleeding happened at that pace with Starkiller's new blue crystal not turning eventually red. Thank you for the information.
Also, there are still natural red crystals and they can be materially synthesized from other crystals, so bleeding isn't the only red crystals explanation in Star Wars lore.
But that is current lore. Bleeding crystals wasn't the lore present in this games release. I guess we could include it as head canon but time of release that isn't how it works.
So the conversations that you have a problem with 1. Women will do anything for one’s they love. My wife boss ass bitch at work. However when she’s not at work she makes me the boss. 2. In subverting an enemy you need to make all parties involved believe that they are getting some sort of reward at the end she believes that table will be rewarded by the empire at the end of the for participating.
@@elbowmedicaligning with your generalizations based upon your personal relationship with your wife isn't good writing 😂
@ no it isn’t but it’s reality, that’s what creates the immersion for the player. Writing along with reality, you talk about Juno in the video like she is real until she does something to you don’t like. Proving your immersion into the gamescape. I’m actually enjoying your video because you are a nerd and a gamer who can’t help but be immersed.
Sub count does not match quality gj
Really wanted to appreciate the video but the annoying loud background music killed it. What is it with RUclipsrs copying each other's crap standards ? A video essay with a calm voice, a comfortable pace, relevant illustrations, it's all we should require for such format. What a pity :(
@@Milo95 I copied what I prefer to watch. I prefer my video essays with background music, increases the quality and engagement. I think the presence of it in most essays is evidence that most people agree, as the video is incredibly empty without it. A shame you disagree, but I hope you find the content youre looking for.
Dude never played Jedi Power Battles or Kotor
Kotor is GOATed
You’re crazy bro
@@Skinnydibs Only the second time I've heard that this week since my therapy session
@ what does that mean bro
Time for Disney to remaster this as “The Thread Unleashed” with the main character genderswapped to female 🤣
you severly overanalyzed that bit in the opening
The video is 3 hours long.
Of course I overanalyzed it.
L take honestly
What take?