The cipher has a benchmark shape for me and it should be in the next category up because it's not weak by any means. More continuation than you would imagine. It is a sneaky good Ball but it's not weak. Max thrill solid is not weak either. Great ball .
Love these videos. I love the exponent it’s my bench mark ball lets me know if i need to go stronger or weaker. It is smooth but definitely not weak imo. Thanks can’t wait for the next video
I agree. I also use the Xponent as my benchmark ball. It's my most used and overall favorite ball. While it was marketed as a benchmark ball, I don't see that it was ever labeled as a "weak" ball. I don't think it belongs in the weak category. For my weak/smooth ball I use a Hustle USA.
Ive had an Arctic Vibe for a few months now and I just cant stand it. Ive parked it in the garage, never to be taken out again. I just don't like it, like the shape, like the visual when moving. This ball single handily gets me off my game.
That is sad to hear. The couple guys I heard of who got the Arctic Vibe say it is pretty good. However, i hear there isn't too much "miss room" with it. KInda sounds like my Hustle M-M. It's either all strikes or all 9's.
@@CliftonDon74 yeah, I absolutely hate it. I ended up getting an Ion Pro and I absolutely couldn't be happier. Best ball Ive ever owned period, hands down, no questions asked.
The fact that it's on opposite sides with the IQ tour doesnt make sense. The Hype did a comparo and both balls have nearly identical shapes (with the rhino pro carrying a bit better). Take this guys words with a grain of salt
All depends on the bowler. For someone rev dominant, these are definitely medium/smooth. For someone balanced/speed dominant, they fall under weak/smooth
Definitely a solid arsenal. My only nitpick would be that the envy tour and obsession tour are too similar to justify having both in the bag. It's a one or the other type of thing. One thing you are missing is a strong/smooth ball. Something like an Extreme Envy or Black Widow 3.0 for example.
@@andrewweltlich9065 I was thinking I want the same shape but the strength will be with the Envy since it has an updated cover. Especially so now since I used CTD gloss on the Obsession tour lol I’ve tried to clean it off but pores are still clogged. And I’d change the layout a little
ZVL - thanks for this one. The weak/smooth slot in my bag is the Motiv Black Venom. It works pretty well.
The cipher has a benchmark shape for me and it should be in the next category up because it's not weak by any means. More continuation than you would imagine. It is a sneaky good Ball but it's not weak. Max thrill solid is not weak either. Great ball
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Love these videos. I love the exponent it’s my bench mark ball lets me know if i need to go stronger or weaker. It is smooth but definitely not weak imo. Thanks can’t wait for the next video
I agree. I also use the Xponent as my benchmark ball. It's my most used and overall favorite ball. While it was marketed as a benchmark ball, I don't see that it was ever labeled as a "weak" ball. I don't think it belongs in the weak category. For my weak/smooth ball I use a Hustle USA.
Ive been struggling to understand where the Artic Vibe fits with my scorpion as it is a bit stronger than the radioactive vibe. Weird release indeed.
Ive had an Arctic Vibe for a few months now and I just cant stand it. Ive parked it in the garage, never to be taken out again. I just don't like it, like the shape, like the visual when moving. This ball single handily gets me off my game.
That is sad to hear. The couple guys I heard of who got the Arctic Vibe say it is pretty good. However, i hear there isn't too much "miss room" with it. KInda sounds like my Hustle M-M. It's either all strikes or all 9's.
@@CliftonDon74 yeah, I absolutely hate it. I ended up getting an Ion Pro and I absolutely couldn't be happier. Best ball Ive ever owned period, hands down, no questions asked.
So does the hustle M&M not live up these balls on dry / burnt lands ? I’m trying to fill that spot
noticed none of your vids on this series didnt have the ION Pro.. would it be the top of this list since i have heard it is a beefed up IQ Tour?
Hey I know it’s a longshot but can you make arsenal video with only discontinued balls I would love see that
It’s a bit tough because there’s so many, if you narrow it down a little I can try!
@@ZVLBowling Thank you
Shot 836 with raw hammer solid at 1000 grit it my go to ball
There is no way the Rhino Pro is the worst ball on this list. Top 3 imo
The fact that it's on opposite sides with the IQ tour doesnt make sense. The Hype did a comparo and both balls have nearly identical shapes (with the rhino pro carrying a bit better).
Take this guys words with a grain of salt
That’s fair, I personally am unable to throw all balls but staffer/pro opinion was fairly negative on it. Did it look good for him? 100%
One guy in my league has one of these. It is a hook monster on our house shot, but he's a lefty (like me) and our lanes are low volume.
now the x ponent is now 119.95 would it be worth getting one ?
I think that’s a good price to get one!
Brunswick twist?
I like my X-Ray Hustle
The hammer raw? Is it not in the category or is it not very good?
IMO, the Vibe is a bit better as a weaker ball from Hammer. The Raws are still good, just a bit weaker than the Vibes
I would argue that most of these balls are medium/smooth not weak/smooth, but I understand that is subjective.
Imho just the cypher and xponent are really medium. But I get you
All depends on the bowler. For someone rev dominant, these are definitely medium/smooth. For someone balanced/speed dominant, they fall under weak/smooth
What’s your thoughts on this arsenal?
Black Hammer, envy tour, obsession tour, teal rhino, iQ, VEBO, Night road, iQ Ruby
Lots of smooth equipment which is good, might be a gap between the VEBO and the Night Road but overall a solid arsenal!
Definitely a solid arsenal. My only nitpick would be that the envy tour and obsession tour are too similar to justify having both in the bag. It's a one or the other type of thing. One thing you are missing is a strong/smooth ball. Something like an Extreme Envy or Black Widow 3.0 for example.
@@andrewweltlich9065 my thought is cover strength, my obsession is pretty old and I’ve used the ctd gloss on it and plugged some of the pores
@@ZVLBowling asym vs a sym and I’d make the layouts different, but thank you! Love your videos
@@andrewweltlich9065 I was thinking I want the same shape but the strength will be with the Envy since it has an updated cover. Especially so now since I used CTD gloss on the Obsession tour lol I’ve tried to clean it off but pores are still clogged. And I’d change the layout a little
I've been between Hustle and IQ
Hustle XRay and IQ have some similarities - big difference is price. The hustles are $80 cheaper
Hammer raw not on this list? 🤦♂️
Track cypher is a weak/smooth ball ? hmm....🤔
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