Frustrated, moody, alcoholic abusive father, messy room, no girlfriends, highly passionate, unappreciated most of his life, doesn't get much more metal than that
Beethoven built monumental structures out of simple ideas. He was a master of variation and theme development. But he also had a gift for melody. He wrote some of the most beautiful melodies in classical music, and he was the first romantic. A true genius!
People wonder how I could possibly love classical and metal, but it's pretty obvious. Technical metal is deeply infused with classical elements. Metal is definitely not as musically complex as classical (then again, no other genre of music is), but the elements are definitely there.
well the scales and modes used in metal and rock are typically the same as used in classical... that's why blues, jazz, hiphop sound nothing like classical...different scales and modes.
take randy rhoads for instance, classically trained guitarist and one of the very best, if not the best, metal guitarist to have lived. it's the way the music is structured. classical and metal use the same tricks.
Ya but once you get into technical metal it is almost directly classically influenced and composed in almost the same way. Different than rock and classic heavy metal
There's a guy who's done a really good lead guitar interpretation and that's what first made me realise that Beethoven had managed to write a song perfect for electric guitar a couple of hundred years before it even existed!
His audience is much younger than he is, and probably average kids, as in not musicians. I can imagine many texts going out complaining of being bored. Sad but true. It was a waste of time to try to get me to appreciate classical music until I was in my thirties. Also sad but true.
beethoven was artistic.. the majority of current bands focus on shitloads of distortion and the heaviest and lowest tone they can get especially with the new djent shit. Are they both loud and full of energy? yes, but beethoven had proper melody and rhythm. Why am I thinking too deep about this?
Metal is my favorite genre of music. It also happens to be the most diverse. I never listened to the kind of crap you're referring to to begin with and still don't. Plenty of excellent Metal bands who don't have those kind of influences.
Perhaps but as it is a community piano there might be a local tuner who would be willing to do the job for a moderated price (I thought community thinking and acting was what TED was all about).
Not in some minds. The term arrogance means that you know (not only think you know) that you are better in something or have greater knowledge about something than others and showing it.
Ivo Sigma but you can be arrogant regardless of genuine competencies. if we imagine the idea that perception is your reality than it is fathomable that arrogance stems from a reality that differs from the one we experience. arrogance marks overconfidence but what may be overconfident to one may be justified not only to the one executing the act in question but to even a separate casual onlooker. this leaves overconfidence is a pergatory, intangible it means nothing more than what we decide it means and much like so many things is nothing but a human born concept which only holds merit should the general consensus agree with it.
I realized this exactly last year that in music class I wasn't taught how to understand music, what I should hear... We listened to the classic composers just for the sake of knowing them, we had no idea WHY they were great composers. So this talk is just simply great with all the demonstrations :)
Amon Janus Have you learned everything you know without a teacher? Also, aren't there things you won't know even EXIST unless someone explains them to you?
Metal is just an absolutw underrated genre. There are soo many new things in music history like extreme dissonances and weird rhythms or the different sounds from e guitars or drums and new singing styles. But you never talk about it in school. Never. And that's fuckin' sad.
knalltuete97 Geil! Meiner wusste auch was growlen ist, als jemand mal was von A day to remember vorgestellt hat, hat er ganz genau erklärt, wie der gutturale Gesang funktioniert :D Aber es ist nicht selten, dass Musiklehrer Metal hören, nehme ich mal an. Ist ja durchaus interessant und komplex \m/
ovrava Try some Dillinger Escape Plan. It's Mathcore so the rhythm is veeeery confuse. They also have Jazz influences like in the song ''One of us is the Killer''. You can find weird harmonies in progressive metal. Try some Mastodon and concentrate on their riffs.
If only the guy had an electric guitar, I think his sanity would've been spared. He wanted a bigger sound than a symphony orchestra could provide. He wanted *more* and *bigger* sound. The guy would've been right at home playing guitar for Metallica or something.
sorry but if you think there is something in this world that sounds louder and bigger the symphony orchestras you've been hearing the wrong orchestras, i say this as a violinist and bassist for 13 years haha
Zalemones1 So, you've been hearing it right from inside it then. A single Marshall half stack could blow away any orchestra in volume but as far as big sound goes, an electric guitar with the gain cranked is about as big as one can get. I'm not putting down the symphony orchestra. It's just that one can only go so far with it. I played viola in my high school strings orchestra. Admittedly, that's not the same thing by any stretch but I have heard orchestras. I've also been to band practice with a Marshall half stack. You have to put cotton or something in your ears. Please no viola jokes. I've heard them already.
Coming from a guy who has played full stacks in a doom band. Nothing was as loud and as intense as hearing the royal philharmonic live. Get bent chump. All instruments have a key part in music.
Paul TheSkeptic gotta agree with you on that haha the power of amplification is something to be reckoned with, and i will spare you from my viola jokes :P
My best teacher taught about TEMPO. She said that today, everyone tries to play in a frantic way to impress. She said "SLOW DOWN, hear the silence between the notes. Don't be a virtuoso. Be a musician".
Good music by true artists captures a feeling, tells a story, creates an atmosphere... It doesn't matter how complex or simple it is, or what instruments you use, Beethoven was a genius, not because he uses three notes or a simple melody or intricate composition, but because he marvellously tells a story and in a new way.
Alex Barbella the story in to live is to can be interpreted as a man living a depressed life or a corrupt life with the heavy parts being his physical more open suffering and the acoustic parts as his suffering more mentally (thats my opinion in a sense)
Wow!!! It's really a great speech, full of light, strength and knowledge. Congrats, my Maestro!
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He bases the entire talk on some of Bernstein's sayings, which are, by the way, very arguable. Not only the form and structure is great, he also wrote extremely beautiful and singable melodies, and complex harmonies. And he was not unaccepted by tje public his whole life: near to the end he was very popular, and people recognized him as the greastest composer alive. I like the comparisson with rock and heavy metal, because indeed Beethoven had that rebelious and rule-breaking spirit.
Just imagine the music that Mozart or Beethoven could have composed if they could have edited scores in a tablet, used synthesizers to create new sounds and musical effects. The possibilities are endless. Having at hand all the editing tools of a sound engineering studio. They would have gone mad with creativity. One piece after another in a matter of just days. They already had all the music in their heads, they only needed to pour it out as fast as possible.
The theme of the slow movement of the 7th is probably one of the most powerful incantations ever spelled! Poor Lady G.didn't even imagine to be compared to such a Titan!
Good talk, although I wish he could have explained how similar use of motific development is the driving force behind some of metal's most classic works.
Points well made, Ross Cooke and John Wentz. Someday I'll learn not to make rash generalizations in public forums. I should clarify that I'm drawn to metal that repeats a riff more so than develops it, so naturally I would think most of it does simply repeat. Even though I'm well familiar with Master of Puppets, it never occurred to me those riffs mutate over the course of the piece, and I'm not familiar with Morbid Angel. I will check them out and listen with the same level of focus I give to "classical." It's hard though when the riff gets into your limbic system and takes over.
I loved the comment about learning to LISTEN to music. I spent decades feverishly practicing my bass guitar, trying to perfectly learn to play all of my favorite songs. Then, a few years ago, I realized I was in something of a rut. I put my instrument aside for the most part, and started to just LISTEN to a lot of different music. Just listen, discover, and learn. It's made a huge difference.
Hey! He dissed the Seventh Symphony! Blasphemy! That one is beautiful (well, they all are in their own ways). That was a great talk! The speaker is absolutely right. The movie "Immortal Beloved" touches on the idea that Beethoven's music was considered almost obscene. Fortunately, powerful women (and many men) at the time understood Beethoven's genius. I would have probably been as shocked as anyone if I went to a concert expecting something melodious and familiar. I didn't know Beethoven's would furiously cross out whole stanzas! That's especially amazing knowing that Beethoven couldn't test the stanza because he was deaf! He could just "see" that he didn't like it. Well, if anyone deserved to be egotistical and arrogant, Beethoven did.
I can feel all his slight changes no matter how small, the emotion is great. Always loved Beethoven. He will always be the greatest rockstar of his time!
Beethoven sure had a way with writing symphonies, with style and grace that’s all his own! If there were copyright laws back then, I would have given him the rights to his own music! I mean, if I existed during his time period. If Beethoven was alive today, he would be surprised that he has become a classical music legend! However, he still lives on in his music. Like the old saying goes, “Legends never die!” And I think that Beethoven has left a great legacy behind in this world! Not just his music, but the fact that a deaf man can make it in the world as a music composer! I also write music myself, and if Beethoven can make it in the world as a deaf composer, then so can I! I may be schizophrenic, but Beethoven has inspired me as an influence! Thank you Beethoven for your contribution to music today!
wow - what a talented guy, the keyboard skills are very impressive! I love his view on things from that era and how it translated and has influenced modern music.
In next school year I will be student of Conservatory. I need to thank you for your presentation, I remembered why I love so much classicial music and why I wanted to go to Conservatory.
I’m a full on metal head (only thirteen) I love ted talks and this explains my thoughts about my music that nobody around me likes. But I love Beethoven as well and think the same things and it’s the same thing, nobody around me likes him.
I like these modern living room myths about people turning from Beethoven music to heavy metal fans. Metal fans always seek for approval of the classical crowds.
He definitely hit a number of bad notes, but to be honest I don't think there's much point judging the recorded quality of the audio. His vocal mic also has a harsh quality - so I would put the quality of the recording down to the recording or the way everything has been mixed and/or mic'd on the night. But don't forget that recording in a live venue is a totally different animal to recording in a studio. I also have a high-end audio system on my computer, just FYI. But all that being said, my original point still stands: Don't judge audio quality based on a phone speaker!
each metallica album is a beethoven symphony,each album have their chords and style,listen to kill em all then listen to and... justice for all a 40 min symphony
When you take classical music and mix it with rock or metal, you get prog. Ask any prog musician. They list classical or jazz music as one of their influences.
Wait wait wait... He claims that his band Cello's on Fire is original and creative... They are LITERALLY doing what Apocalyptica does, just with a keyboardist and a guitarist you can hardly hear. And i don't mean, they are putting a new spin on that Apocalyptica song that put a new spin on Metallica's Master Of Puppets... they are literally playing Apocalyptica's Master of Puppets... I thought the whole talk was leading up to that Irony, but i never did.
It is really interesting looks like life is going and other small errands jingling around. The digging up original ideas was very wonderful. Congratulation my friend.
So Tommy Iommi, Lemmy Kilmister, Steve Harris, Dave Mustaine, James Hetfield among others are the greteast genius of music of the 20th century? I wish I could time travel and see how Music schools would look like in 200 years, "today we are going to learn a masterpiece: Painkiller".
Lance Clark I think it's bad sound editing. Sounds like the piano's output is recorded twice: once on the kid's microphone, and another source somewhere else, and the sound editor was either lazy or did a really terrible job, or maybe both
His piano playing is sloppy and messy as if he is feeling rushed.I know that he is speaking without a script, but he hasn't stated a theme or premise and then followed that with ideas and samples to support it. I'm not sure I understand the point he is trying to make.
The point he is making is that Beethoven's music ls like organic chemistry: complexity created out of simple fundamental building blocks. He could have done a much better job in presenting it, no doubt.
It's interesting how he draws a similar parallel between Lady Gaga's genius of simplicity along with Beethoven's... If Ludwig van Beethoven had had a producer, recording studio, and dance choreographer to do his music, he would've been the Father of Rock Pop way before anyone even knew what it was...
@Alex Barbella: It makes total sense though. Look, pop music is a bad example for genius of simplicity because if you listen to those songs over and over, you'll grow sick of them. Admittedly, I don't listen to the so-called pop music because I grow sick of them after the first listen but I do listen to a lot of classical and metal. There are a lot of simple melodies in classical, but it's how the song is structured that makes it a complex work, but there are still very simple things in the piece where the addition of it all makes it a fully fledged work. In metal, there is a band called Darkthrone which has a song in particular that is 6 minutes but the whole song only has 2 simple riffs that never changes. What is amazing here is how they made those 2 very simple riffs and played over and over again in the song and they never get boring. I've been listening to this song for years and it never ever gets old even though the song is as simple as it can get. So as I was saying, YES there is genius in simplicity, and I just explained two different examples as to why it makes sense. Cheers!
@@MrMrHotDog0303 genius is very often simplicity. That's why when people experience it they wonder why they didn't think of it themselves. A lot of music can be very complex but meaningless
The majority of most Mozart and Haydn symphonies started with loud chords (Mozart- symphony no28, 34, 41, 39 etc) this style of approach in terms of starting a symphony was not new in the 19th century, in fact it was more appropriate than not to not start a symphony with a loud tutti chord. The example he gave with the 40th symphony is a very poor one indeed, Symphony no40 is one of very few Mozart symphonies where Mozart opens the symphony with a quiet melody etc. A lot of the information given here is just historically informative.
Ludvig Van Beethoven was way ahead of his time. People did not understand his repertoire. The music he composed that was frowned upon during his lifetime are the very same ones he is celebrated for hundreds of years after his demise.
Shocking.....high school level discussion of Beethoven ...his music and life ...his perceptions of rock and its history are absurdly uninformed. Ted talks....what have you done...
I can't believe he didn't even mention that the "three short notes and then a long one" is Morse code for V "dot, dot, dot, dash". V for Victory. I remember being taught that in a music class in school when I was 13, and I never forgot it.
@@hedgehog1965uk That's an anachronism if I've ever seen one. The Morse Code was developed and put into use about 20 years after Beethoven wrote his 5th.
@@2905sid Really? That's very interesting, thanks. Actually, when I think about it, that makes sense. I just believed what my music teacher told me. Morse Code obviously wouldn't have been invented until there was some way of transmitting it. I don't know why this never occurred to me before. I wish I could go back to 1978 and say to my teacher "Errr...hang on a minute Sir".
Frustrated, moody, alcoholic abusive father, messy room, no girlfriends, highly passionate, unappreciated most of his life, doesn't get much more metal than that
that should be dark metal!!!
Sounds a lot like me...hope I dont go deaf
Felice Fiorenza I’ve been told I was gonna go blind since I was 13. I’m 48 now and I can still see. Kinda.
yeah, very enticing isn't it?
@@randalllayton7452 I havd a theory that all those beatings Beethoven got from his dad damaged his ears.
Beethoven built monumental structures out of simple ideas. He was a master of variation and theme development. But he also had a gift for melody. He wrote some of the most beautiful melodies in classical music, and he was the first romantic. A true genius!
People wonder how I could possibly love classical and metal, but it's pretty obvious. Technical metal is deeply infused with classical elements. Metal is definitely not as musically complex as classical (then again, no other genre of music is), but the elements are definitely there.
I love metal too, I'm not much into classical music, but I totally agree that Classical music and metal have so much similarities
I get the feeling that you two would love 'In Fear and Faith'.
well the scales and modes used in metal and rock are typically the same as used in classical... that's why blues, jazz, hiphop sound nothing like classical...different scales and modes.
take randy rhoads for instance, classically trained guitarist and one of the very best, if not the best, metal guitarist to have lived. it's the way the music is structured. classical and metal use the same tricks.
Ya but once you get into technical metal it is almost directly classically influenced and composed in almost the same way. Different than rock and classic heavy metal
If I had a time machine, I would find Beethoven and take him to a Meshuggah concert
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Greedy Rick He'd be glad he was deaf.
Maybe we could be seeing him headbanging that wig off of his head ... who knoweth, but the lord ?
:P
TrevRockOne lol
Greedy Rick I think he would get bored in about 30 seconds.
This is also a great example of why people today like heavy metal, and people react to that as they did to beethoven back then,
It's also evident in moonlight sonata 3rd movement...
yep :)
It gives me the chills every time...
There's a guy who's done a really good lead guitar interpretation and that's what first made me realise that Beethoven had managed to write a song perfect for electric guitar a couple of hundred years before it even existed!
Do you mean Dr. Viossy?
nice! i didn't think so many people would think this too!
If I could go back in time, I would invent the mosh pit at a Beethoven concert.
Some of his contemporary people said if you never heard Beethoven improvising on the piano you didn't listen to anything yet.
Mozart, Paganini, Liszt and other well known music stars had mosh pits. Human behaviour in that matter didn't rly changed ;P
Dreambro1 Most metal uses Minor scales as well.
In your lifetime time travel will be invented and you will use it to go back in time and create moshing
Nothing says civilized than a wall of death in a full orchestra concert.
OPEN UP THE PIT
the crowd seems to be very quiet. I find this Ted Talk very informative
I'd be quiet with jokes like his too...
I thought the same, but I think they aren't mic'd up, so it's hard to hear them if they laugh (unless it gets loud at the end, for instance)
Because i believe the Audience is mostly School age Children and young Adults, Under Supervision by teachers to stay quiet.
His audience is much younger than he is, and probably average kids, as in not musicians. I can imagine many texts going out complaining of being bored. Sad but true. It was a waste of time to try to get me to appreciate classical music until I was in my thirties. Also sad but true.
Beiber fans obviously.
It's nice to see Harry Potter doing some other activities other then magic after Hogwarts.
he definififlidily would have been a better cast that daniel redcliff
No... they obviously found a way to clone Peter Brady! ;)
Dane Wagner It's ....other THAN magic.....
And being a corpse that saves a man that got stranded on an island.
Terry Pratchett once wrote that you can either do magic or do music, but you can't do both. Glad to know that Harry Potter made the best decision.
On the other hand, can we say that Heavy Metal bands are the Beethoven of the current times?
beethoven was artistic.. the majority of current bands focus on shitloads of distortion and the heaviest and lowest tone they can get especially with the new djent shit. Are they both loud and full of energy? yes, but beethoven had proper melody and rhythm. Why am I thinking too deep about this?
Metal is my favorite genre of music. It also happens to be the most diverse. I never listened to the kind of crap you're referring to to begin with and still don't. Plenty of excellent Metal bands who don't have those kind of influences.
Thugzilla music doesn't have to be melodic it can be rthymic in nature. and djent can be some of the most raw and rthymic of most music.
Thugzilla Check out anything by Meshuggah and try to tell me that it isn't a rhythmic masterpiece. All of those guys are immensely talented
I checked out Meshuggah.. I can understand why people like them, but they're not really my type.. I'm more of a Butcher babies kinda guy
does he djent?
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Epic.
Actually, he does :D check grosse fuge
A man of culture, I see...
Someone please tune that piano.
and the reverb is awful, why does he destroy his playing?
Perhaps but as it is a community piano there might be a local tuner who would be willing to do the job for a moderated price (I thought community thinking and acting was what TED was all about).
so I wasn't alone!
Sounds like a consumer grade baby grand. Pity, he deserves a nicer instrument.
I don't even have relative pitch, and I noticed
I don't think that was arrogant at all, it was the truth and nothing more.
Mox_au arrogance is always truth in some minds
you're a poet Harry
Not in some minds. The term arrogance means that you know (not only think you know) that you are better in something or have greater knowledge about something than others and showing it.
Ivo Sigma but you can be arrogant regardless of genuine competencies. if we imagine the idea that perception is your reality than it is fathomable that arrogance stems from a reality that differs from the one we experience. arrogance marks overconfidence but what may be overconfident to one may be justified not only to the one executing the act in question but to even a separate casual onlooker. this leaves overconfidence is a pergatory, intangible it means nothing more than what we decide it means and much like so many things is nothing but a human born concept which only holds merit should the general consensus agree with it.
Mox_au A fantastic quote for any great artist for all time!
I realized this exactly last year that in music class I wasn't taught how to understand music, what I should hear... We listened to the classic composers just for the sake of knowing them, we had no idea WHY they were great composers. So this talk is just simply great with all the demonstrations :)
Amon Janus
Have you learned everything you know without a teacher? Also, aren't there things you won't know even EXIST unless someone explains them to you?
If you want to know why the great composers are great, there's a channel called "Inside the Score" here on RUclips that is worthy to check out. :)
baethoven
Beethoven, Deaf Metal star xD
good one !
Haha, i see what you did there!
Too soon :((
A lot of Metal stars eventually end up deaf.
To the top!
What a great presentation, nice job! Makes me have a whole new appreciation for Beethoven!
Metal is just an absolutw underrated genre.
There are soo many new things in music history like extreme dissonances and weird rhythms or the different sounds from e guitars or drums and new singing styles.
But you never talk about it in school. Never. And that's fuckin' sad.
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I have a music teacher (grammar school in germany) who actually is too qualificated for his Job. Anyway we spoke about heavy metal.\m/ :D
knalltuete97 Geil! Meiner wusste auch was growlen ist, als jemand mal was von A day to remember vorgestellt hat, hat er ganz genau erklärt, wie der gutturale Gesang funktioniert :D
Aber es ist nicht selten, dass Musiklehrer Metal hören, nehme ich mal an. Ist ja durchaus interessant und komplex \m/
Do you have any interesting examples of interesting rythms, harmony or melodies in metal?
ovrava Try some Dillinger Escape Plan.
It's Mathcore so the rhythm is veeeery confuse. They also have Jazz influences like in the song ''One of us is the Killer''.
You can find weird harmonies in progressive metal. Try some Mastodon and concentrate on their riffs.
ovrava Cacophony was a very great band. To poor they released just 2 albums.
His passion and dedication is amazing. Great speaker as well
It may sound dull on piano, but from an orchestra it's an absolute marvel!
If only the guy had an electric guitar, I think his sanity would've been spared. He wanted a bigger sound than a symphony orchestra could provide. He wanted *more* and *bigger* sound. The guy would've been right at home playing guitar for Metallica or something.
we need beethovencore in this world
sorry but if you think there is something in this world that sounds louder and bigger the symphony orchestras you've been hearing the wrong orchestras, i say this as a violinist and bassist for 13 years haha
Zalemones1 So, you've been hearing it right from inside it then. A single Marshall half stack could blow away any orchestra in volume but as far as big sound goes, an electric guitar with the gain cranked is about as big as one can get. I'm not putting down the symphony orchestra. It's just that one can only go so far with it.
I played viola in my high school strings orchestra. Admittedly, that's not the same thing by any stretch but I have heard orchestras. I've also been to band practice with a Marshall half stack. You have to put cotton or something in your ears. Please no viola jokes. I've heard them already.
Coming from a guy who has played full stacks in a doom band. Nothing was as loud and as intense as hearing the royal philharmonic live. Get bent chump. All instruments have a key part in music.
Paul TheSkeptic gotta agree with you on that haha the power of amplification is something to be reckoned with, and i will spare you from my viola jokes :P
actually, its thrash metal *adjust glasses and snorts*
Metalheads: SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!
Slayer: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My best teacher taught about TEMPO. She said that today, everyone tries to play in a frantic way to impress. She said "SLOW DOWN, hear the silence between the notes. Don't be a virtuoso. Be a musician".
Very enjoyable talk and puts the music in historical context. Thank you!
Maybe he is right, l grew up loving Heavy Metal and Beethoven is my favourite composer
I absolutely love the second movement of the 7th symphony, ain't no way this is boring to me.
Good music by true artists captures a feeling, tells a story, creates an atmosphere... It doesn't matter how complex or simple it is, or what instruments you use, Beethoven was a genius, not because he uses three notes or a simple melody or intricate composition, but because he marvellously tells a story and in a new way.
Doppe1ganger yes I can't agree more. Although this is something metal music lacks, the ability to create a story without having to use lyrics
listen to 'To live is to die' by metallica it can kinda tell a story without using lyrics
Pixelshady then what is the story in To Live is to die
You lack knowledge of good metal bands
Alex Barbella the story in to live is to can be interpreted as a man living a depressed life or a corrupt life with the heavy parts being his physical more open suffering and the acoustic parts as his suffering more mentally (thats my opinion in a sense)
Wow!!! It's really a great speech, full of light, strength and knowledge. Congrats, my Maestro!
He bases the entire talk on some of Bernstein's sayings, which are, by the way, very arguable. Not only the form and structure is great, he also wrote extremely beautiful and singable melodies, and complex harmonies. And he was not unaccepted by tje public his whole life: near to the end he was very popular, and people recognized him as the greastest composer alive. I like the comparisson with rock and heavy metal, because indeed Beethoven had that rebelious and rule-breaking spirit.
I loved this video, It's amazing how Beethoven created these beautiful symphonies! Bravo!!!
best thing I have watched for a long time
Very engaging thankyou Nicholas. I now have some understanding of why the favourite composer of my youth was so criticised in his time
i think Beethoven was like heavy metal, and Bach like death metal
other way around brother. lol metal is influenced by Beethoven because everyone is influenced by him
other way around brother. lol metal is influenced by Beethoven because everyone is influenced by him
And Paganini was Shred guitar
I haven't thought about Unreal Tournament in over a decade
Mozart was the pop star guy
Just imagine the music that Mozart or Beethoven could have composed if they could have edited scores in a tablet, used synthesizers to create new sounds and musical effects. The possibilities are endless. Having at hand all the editing tools of a sound engineering studio. They would have gone mad with creativity. One piece after another in a matter of just days. They already had all the music in their heads, they only needed to pour it out as fast as possible.
This TED was 15min long?! It felt like 5min
The theme of the slow movement of the 7th is probably one of the most powerful incantations ever spelled! Poor Lady G.didn't even imagine to be compared to such a Titan!
Good talk, although I wish he could have explained how similar use of motific development is the driving force behind some of metal's most classic works.
Alienart
Master of puppets?
Points well made, Ross Cooke and John Wentz. Someday I'll learn not to make rash generalizations in public forums. I should clarify that I'm drawn to metal that repeats a riff more so than develops it, so naturally I would think most of it does simply repeat. Even though I'm well familiar with Master of Puppets, it never occurred to me those riffs mutate over the course of the piece, and I'm not familiar with Morbid Angel. I will check them out and listen with the same level of focus I give to "classical." It's hard though when the riff gets into your limbic system and takes over.
I loved the comment about learning to LISTEN to music. I spent decades feverishly practicing my bass guitar, trying to perfectly learn to play all of my favorite songs. Then, a few years ago, I realized I was in something of a rut. I put my instrument aside for the most part, and started to just LISTEN to a lot of different music. Just listen, discover, and learn. It's made a huge difference.
Beethoven: "Yes, that sounds quite satisfying."
Everybody else: "MUCH. TOO. LOUD."
This guy seems like a really cool and down to earth person. I really admire people with such musical talent.
Good talk! Instructive and well crafted!!!
Yes yes yes! You got it! I'm teaching Beethoven's 3rd symphony as music appreciation, and it is loud and in your face with massive chords!
Hey! He dissed the Seventh Symphony! Blasphemy! That one is beautiful (well, they all are in their own ways).
That was a great talk! The speaker is absolutely right. The movie "Immortal Beloved" touches on the idea that Beethoven's music was considered almost obscene. Fortunately, powerful women (and many men) at the time understood Beethoven's genius. I would have probably been as shocked as anyone if I went to a concert expecting something melodious and familiar.
I didn't know Beethoven's would furiously cross out whole stanzas! That's especially amazing knowing that Beethoven couldn't test the stanza because he was deaf! He could just "see" that he didn't like it.
Well, if anyone deserved to be egotistical and arrogant, Beethoven did.
Building complex structures out of simple components is always the golden achievement of any type of creative engineering.
Classical music + distortion = metal
I can feel all his slight changes no matter how small, the emotion is great. Always loved Beethoven. He will always be the greatest rockstar of his time!
The second movement of the 7th is my favorite
Beethoven sure had a way with writing symphonies, with style and grace that’s all his own! If there were copyright laws back then, I would have given him the rights to his own music! I mean, if I existed during his time period. If Beethoven was alive today, he would be surprised that he has become a classical music legend! However, he still lives on in his music. Like the old saying goes, “Legends never die!” And I think that Beethoven has left a great legacy behind in this world! Not just his music, but the fact that a deaf man can make it in the world as a music composer! I also write music myself, and if Beethoven can make it in the world as a deaf composer, then so can I! I may be schizophrenic, but Beethoven has inspired me as an influence! Thank you Beethoven for your contribution to music today!
"there is only one Beethoven"
You must admit, he WAS right.
they tried to make a sequel, but judging by rotten tomatoes, nobody liked it...
"Rage over a lost penny" is a really good example of Beethoven's work with repeating motif.
Chopin is heavy metal. doom metal.
Maathiu Ra Yin debussy bro 👌
Sam Blake i eat Debussy... 😗
Maathiu Ra Yin Chopin is prog dude.
Fadhil Nugraha HE IS ALL OF THESE THINGS!!!
Wagner is power metal.
Yess, one of my many favorites is Fur Elise. I love Beethoven's music, it is very moving, intence and soothing at the same time.
this is a wonderful talk!!!
wow - what a talented guy, the keyboard skills are very impressive!
I love his view on things from that era and how it translated and has influenced modern music.
I pity beethoven he didnt get to hear even his own master pieces
BreadnButterJohnski He sure can hear them now! 😁
But the empty void of nothingness cant reproduce sound...
He sure could hear his master pieces. He didn't go completely deaf until after his music career.
Johnathon Shakovitz Beethoven was completely deaf by about 1819, after which he still wrote dozens of works, particularly up to about 1924
So Beethoven was over a hundred years old? He died in 1827 muchacho
In next school year I will be student of Conservatory. I need to thank you for your presentation, I remembered why I love so much classicial music and why I wanted to go to Conservatory.
Would Mozart be the Iron Maiden of the day? Is there a more accurate band to compare him to?
ProJatior fleshgod apocalypse?^^
YES, Fleshgod Apocalypse is an excellent comparison in my eyes.
A heavy band would be comparable.
Lifelover Meh Apocalypse is not metal like Iron Maiden
ProJatior beethoven cannot be compared to anyone because no one today is at all as incredible and genius as Beethoven
If only I had watched this video in school days back in the 60's.
My life would have been different.
Good video game music tends to follow Beethoven's principles. Establish a theme or motif, and then expand and explore from there.
So true!
Exactly why I admire game music and prog rock/metal
Exactly why I admire game music and prog rock/metal
I’m a full on metal head (only thirteen) I love ted talks and this explains my thoughts about my music that nobody around me likes. But I love Beethoven as well and think the same things and it’s the same thing, nobody around me likes him.
Whoever mixed the audio on the recording should have made an attempt to get rid of the echo on the piano.
I will always give Beethoven the credit for what got me to fall in love with music that he produced and what later morphed into my love for metal.
I like these modern living room myths about people turning from Beethoven music to heavy metal fans. Metal fans always seek for approval of the classical crowds.
What are you going on about?
Your former comment.
Roll over Beethoven. Rock me Amadeus.
Probably the best TED Talk I've ever seen!!
is it my phone, or does that piano sound horribly twangy?
It's cuz he's slamming the keys a little too hard
It's your phone. Judging audio quality on a phone speaker is always going to end in tears
He definitely hit a number of bad notes, but to be honest I don't think there's much point judging the recorded quality of the audio. His vocal mic also has a harsh quality - so I would put the quality of the recording down to the recording or the way everything has been mixed and/or mic'd on the night. But don't forget that recording in a live venue is a totally different animal to recording in a studio. I also have a high-end audio system on my computer, just FYI.
But all that being said, my original point still stands: Don't judge audio quality based on a phone speaker!
The piano was being picked up by multiple mics so sounded delayed and weird
terrible acoustic and recording
each metallica album is a beethoven symphony,each album have their chords and style,listen to kill em all then listen to and... justice for all a 40 min symphony
Before Cellos on Fire was even born there was Apocalyptica playing Metallica on cello.
Yeah, they released a whole album and they weren't using electro-acoustic either.
Finally a good proper talk from TedX@Youth that I see!
Some of Lady Gaga's more obscure pieces are very skillfully written.
The 2nd movement of the 7th makes me cry every time I hear it.
Building a whole work of music about one musical idea? Reminds me of Meshuggah's Catch 33
First time I heard or saw this man, Nicolas Ellis... and I must say, I'm impressed.
I really enjoyed that speech
Beethoven would so dig heavy metal, and virtually all genres of music. He would know and discern between good music of any genre and pablum.
When you take classical music and mix it with rock or metal, you get prog. Ask any prog musician. They list classical or jazz music as one of their influences.
AntonDoesMusic I'm more to Progressive Djent.
aka furiously closeted meshuggah-emulation, lul
Symphony X, Ayreon, Rush, Yes, Animals As Leaders, Dream Theater...
I becomes closer to neocalssical instead, think of Malmsteen , Michael Romeo of symphony X (as guitarist not the band)
very good job on showing the genius of Beethoven........
Wait wait wait... He claims that his band Cello's on Fire is original and creative... They are LITERALLY doing what Apocalyptica does, just with a keyboardist and a guitarist you can hardly hear. And i don't mean, they are putting a new spin on that Apocalyptica song that put a new spin on Metallica's Master Of Puppets... they are literally playing Apocalyptica's Master of Puppets... I thought the whole talk was leading up to that Irony, but i never did.
I was thinking the same thing: "Oh, Apocalyptica! No? okay, I hope he at least mentions them". He didn't.
Yes. Apocalyptica is original on that genre.
@@teemunator Yeah well, it's a cover band with different intstruments. breathtakingly creative and original huh
the second movement of the 7th symphony is my favourite movement ever
It's a great movement. the first movement of Beethoven's 9th Symphony is my favorite.
4th movement of his 3rd symphony for me. It's got this charm and it's the most Beethoven symphony of the lot.
QUE FANTÁSTICO ACENTO. EXELENTE DICCIÓN. ES MUY FÁCIL ENTENDERLE. TODOS LOS MÚSICOS QUE HABLAN EN PÚBLICO DEBERÍAN EXPRESARSE DE ÉSA MANERA.
It is really interesting looks like life is going and other small errands jingling around. The digging up original ideas was very wonderful. Congratulation my friend.
So Tommy Iommi, Lemmy Kilmister, Steve Harris, Dave Mustaine, James Hetfield among others are the greteast genius of music of the 20th century? I wish I could time travel and see how Music schools would look like in 200 years, "today we are going to learn a masterpiece: Painkiller".
Bravo! Great vid and presentation
I have to appreciate how a classical conductor can't play a one note pop tune as soon as its syncopated.
Amazing! Thanks a lot. Keep up the good work
I could actually feel my will to live seeping out through my shoes while watching this.
Why?
Adam Woodhams
Presentation and subject matter. Both were poor.
This one is definitely going to be one of my favourite Ted talk
An interesting bit of history about BeethOven but the title was misleading. I thought there would be more about the tempestuousness of his music.
interesting . very good chat and music .
For a second there, I thought I was listening to Apocalyptica!!
Excellent, Nicolas, just excellent.
I hate that piano. It double-taps the notes.
Could it be echo?
Lance Clark
I think it's bad sound editing. Sounds like the piano's output is recorded twice: once on the kid's microphone, and another source somewhere else, and the sound editor was either lazy or did a really terrible job, or maybe both
His piano playing is sloppy and messy as if he is feeling rushed.I know that he is speaking without a script, but he hasn't stated a theme or premise and then followed that with ideas and samples to support it. I'm not sure I understand the point he is trying to make.
The point he is making is that Beethoven's music ls like organic chemistry: complexity created out of simple fundamental building blocks.
He could have done a much better job in presenting it, no doubt.
i like how he explains his ideas, i tend to so much agree to his idea.
It's interesting how he draws a similar parallel between Lady Gaga's genius of simplicity along with Beethoven's... If Ludwig van Beethoven had had a producer, recording studio, and dance choreographer to do his music, he would've been the Father of Rock Pop way before anyone even knew what it was...
That's not what he's saying. Lady gaga do not build on those simple melodies, but good composers (like Beethoven) do.
laydbakk1 there is no genius of simplicity that doesn't make any sense
Actually there was a disco hit back in the 70's that sampled Beethoven's 5th. Go check it out. It was a hit for Walter Murphy!
@Alex Barbella: It makes total sense though. Look, pop music is a bad example for genius of simplicity because if you listen to those songs over and over, you'll grow sick of them. Admittedly, I don't listen to the so-called pop music because I grow sick of them after the first listen but I do listen to a lot of classical and metal. There are a lot of simple melodies in classical, but it's how the song is structured that makes it a complex work, but there are still very simple things in the piece where the addition of it all makes it a fully fledged work.
In metal, there is a band called Darkthrone which has a song in particular that is 6 minutes but the whole song only has 2 simple riffs that never changes. What is amazing here is how they made those 2 very simple riffs and played over and over again in the song and they never get boring. I've been listening to this song for years and it never ever gets old even though the song is as simple as it can get.
So as I was saying, YES there is genius in simplicity, and I just explained two different examples as to why it makes sense.
Cheers!
@@MrMrHotDog0303 genius is very often simplicity. That's why when people experience it they wonder why they didn't think of it themselves. A lot of music can be very complex but meaningless
Music, tells a story. True music has a story without words.
The majority of most Mozart and Haydn symphonies started with loud chords (Mozart- symphony no28, 34, 41, 39 etc) this style of approach in terms of starting a symphony was not new in the 19th century, in fact it was more appropriate than not to not start a symphony with a loud tutti chord. The example he gave with the 40th symphony is a very poor one indeed, Symphony no40 is one of very few Mozart symphonies where Mozart opens the symphony with a quiet melody etc. A lot of the information given here is just historically informative.
Ludvig Van Beethoven was way ahead of his time. People did not understand his repertoire. The music he composed that was frowned upon during his lifetime are the very same ones he is celebrated for hundreds of years after his demise.
Master! Master!
Many thanks to this young man for providing this instructive and interesting lecture.
Shocking.....high school level discussion of Beethoven ...his music and life ...his perceptions of rock and its history are absurdly uninformed. Ted talks....what have you done...
TED has always been extremely hit or miss.
I can't believe he didn't even mention that the "three short notes and then a long one" is Morse code for V "dot, dot, dot, dash". V for Victory. I remember being taught that in a music class in school when I was 13, and I never forgot it.
@@hedgehog1965uk That's an anachronism if I've ever seen one. The Morse Code was developed and put into use about 20 years after Beethoven wrote his 5th.
@@2905sid Really? That's very interesting, thanks. Actually, when I think about it, that makes sense. I just believed what my music teacher told me. Morse Code obviously wouldn't have been invented until there was some way of transmitting it. I don't know why this never occurred to me before. I wish I could go back to 1978 and say to my teacher "Errr...hang on a minute Sir".
@@hedgehog1965uk Haha, makes for a cool story though, doesn't it?
Love this dudes passion when playing the piano