Bought a Magirus "unseen" - Can we drive it home?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Hey everyone!
I got a new truck, to replace the MAN we have been using.
This one is a Magirus Deutz FM 170D11 FA
It's going to need a little work. but overall, this old truck is in great condition. and i think it will be a great addition to my fleet.
... If i can get the paper-work sorted out.
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The THW still exists, it is a civilian volunteer civil defence unit. They are well equipped and well trained and supplement the regular civil emergency services. They have every sort of vehicle from fire appliances, command and control units, heavy duty road cranes, demountable pumps and even canteen vans.
I operated one of these until 3 years ago and did some repairs and rebuilds and stuff. So feel free to ask.
If you are going about 60km/h in 6th gear full throttle, it may be you are in low gear. Changing gears is somewhat tricky sometimes, it may stick in low gear even if the lever is on the left. What you need to do is pull the lever even more to the left, you should hear the air cylinder doing something. If it's sticking, drive the thing, go full throttle, pull the lever to the left and hold it, lift the trottle and back to full throttle. It should shift, if not do it again. Or try to get in in low gear, to make sure where you are.
The knob in front of that lever is the middle diff lock. The rear diff lock is the knob right side near the steering column.
It would be interesting where it has been in service.
Thanks a lot! thats very helpfull. and pretty much confirms how i figured the levers for the transfer-case, work :)
But it doesn't feel stuck in low range (if so, those are some extemely high, low range gears.)
i was able to get it up to speeds of 80-90 km/h. But it just took a really long time.
And on gear changes, when i hit the max speed in one gear, and then canged to the next, it barely had enough power to pull in that gear.
So it really felt like i just couldn't give the engine enough throttle.
But i still haven't looked into the whole ting, any further :)
Oh, and from the little documentation i have, i seems this served at a depot, in Suderlügum. and was last registered there, in 2016.
@@KJOff-Road/videos 90km/h means it's in high gear, for sure. It's high speed, maybe it will make 92 or 93. So fuel issue it is.
There was no THW in Süderlügum, but in Niebüll. Maybe from somewhere else and second life in Süderlügüm. I couldn't find anything.
German guy here. If you can't get it sorted in your place - maybe I can help.
I shortly looked into it: With a buying contract (has to have the VIN in it) German KBA (Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt) should be able to provide the neccessary documents for a small fee.
Ich habe auch schon geschrieben, dass ich mich im Zweifelsfall mal mit meiner Zulassungsstelle diesbezüglich unterhalte.
Die Daten müssen ja da sein. Wäre traurig, wenn der Lkw nicht wieder auf die Straße kommt.
Would be great to have German help if he ends up needing to contact a German bureaucratic system 👍
Danke
Thanks a lot guys. it's good to know :)
I may get a hold of you, if needed :)
@@KJOff-Road Hi, I live in Sweden and had a similiar issue with an former German Ikarus buss. You need to get in touch with the local office too the city where it was registered.
There is no central office that has registration documentation in germany it all handled locally. If you have the german numberplate number that helps point you at wich office you need to contact. otherwise i would try taking contact with the THW becouse they probably have documentation on it.
@@KJOff-Road
With the THW license plates there are some things to know.
Because there are a special organisation, the KBA (Kraftfahrt Bundesamt) can't help you.
The vehicles are registered via the THW registration office at the Procurement Office of the Federal Ministry of the Interior.
I'm from Germany as well, please get in touch to me, If needed.
BR, Martin
That would be such a good starting point for a camper build. Off-road capability and a sturdy functional box. There are many of these still around, see if you can sell the box to a fellow Magirus owner at least.
I have seen a lot og these, turned into camper rig's :)
Sick of hearing about Campers
@@KJOff-Road When you have the box off just place it in a barn and use it as a tool box. Crib up to the chassis height, and you have a nice new secure tool storage.
That stop button in front of the seat, is the exhaust brake. But it also works as a stop button.
Mercedes used the exact same mechanism, until the late 80:s.
I drove a 10 cylinder Mercedes 1932 tanker truck for many years. Same setup, and the VDO gauges and warning lights were very similar. Even the steering wheel.
Ah, that would make sense :)
Thanks!
My 2 cents: careful how you build the roof rack. The noise it makes at highway speed can bring about a lot of regret. But all in all great find.
Put the box on a utility trailer for towing dirt bikes, tools and sleeping quarters, what have you, for off road adventures .
Suggestion
Remove the shelf's
Keep the side folding platform and modified it so the "blue panel" could fold down (some named it 3way)
IMO it will make the "flat bed" more practical
Also that workinglamp somewhat feels soo coolll
@KJ Off-Road Hi KJ, German guy here who spend quite some time of his early life on THW and those rigs.
As already said there is nowadays a centralized license plate „THW- on the actual THW trucks. But they changed the system quite some time ago for all THW , Police , Katastrophic Services and similar agencies Trucks and cars. Even sometimes Fire Trucks. With different letters of course: e.g. the letters from the normal car plates for the capital of the german sub-country (Bundesland) like for example in Hesse the capital is Wiesbaden meaning all police cars in Hesse have „WI- plates. Makes shifting vehicles from one stationary to a different one a piece of cake.
That explained here comes the trick for you:
BEFORE that centralized practice those Trucks had real local Number plates like any other vehicle.
This means your truck probably had TWO number plates in his life meaning two sets of paperwork existed.
What you have to do is search the complete vehicle for remaining hints of those number plates, because with having multiple trucks if the same loaded goods and gear we have put frequently the number plate data (or a shortage of that) on the gear and multiple places in that truck. Basically everything removable that could be misplaced after cleaning offsite of these trucks needed to be identified to put it right back.
Also: inspect carefully the driver and passenger door. There must have been a time when „THW Ortsverband must have been signed in big letters on that doors.
This „Ortsverband …“ means something like Stationary.
So, with information of the old first number plate and the city name you look up the actual contacts of the THW of that city and ask them for the favor of a copy of that old paperwork. I know they keep goid records, especially the little ones like the one i was in.
If you only get the last THW-123456 Number plate you ask in the THW facebook group for a contact of the city name. You want to find the job role „Schirrmeister“ of that years after the manufacturing date of that truck to hit the jackpot of person knowing EVERYTYhYiYnYg of that truck because it was his duty.
And add a year when asking because sometimes they had the new trucks up to a year in stock coming from the manufacturer until all x-dozens of them where produced and then they rolled them out in the new version all at once to the different Ortsverband to make no-one jealous that the other ones already got the new truck.
THW people are nuts about their special vehicles and proudly show them off knowing every tiny detail if it - like fire fighters who are the same kind.
So as soon as you can name the plates and Ortsverband for specific identification it will be possible to find a person giving more details.
Good Luck!
Peter
The problem with the engine rpm is likely to be the governor on the injector pump. If the seaĺ goes bad on the rear of the pump it causes a hydraulic problem that stops the governer from opening up.
i drove that type of Truck at THW many years ago 🙂
the trottle problem looks like a swamped diesel filter or the diesel HP pump (nned some maintenance)
BTW: the "shut off button" is meant as trottle-brake
Not a camping person, but the tray looks like it has heaps of possibilities and would be a great camper.
Remember seeing a few Deutz on the roads down under many, many years ago.
The yankee stuff put paid to serious numbers on the road.
See an odd one here and there. Have fun, stay safe and win the paper war.
OK, those sides of the bed are very cool!! It would make an awesome overlander...
Hi Kasper in my experience you can't go past a sleeping berth, it's just so nice to be able to stop driving late at night and climb into bed. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with this gem.
Just love the older vehicles...they just seemed better back then. Less electrical problems....
Love the THW colours. They do have the coolest surplus sometimes.
O yes. I know the sound off those air cooled Deutz engines so well. As a much younger bloke I served in the South African defense force. " yes South Africa did have a proper defense force back in those days. " and they're vehicle of choice was the Magirus Deuts. And yes, I was a driver. Fantasticly well built old trucks.
Known as SAMIL and SAMAG. South African license built magirus trucks.
South Africa only imported a small amount of actual magirus Deutz trucks. Around 2500 units if I recall correctly.
How ever produced around 16 000 SAMAG, SAMILs locally.
@@spotty4710 The SAMAG and SAMIL all used ADE engines though, the Deutz engines were only used in those branded Magirus, and also in aircraft tractors and such, along with use in the fire engines on all bases. The tractors used the Deutz engines, a Borg Warner automatic truck gearbox, and a modified Mercedes differential, along with a prop shaft that was basically 2 universal joints welded together, as the tractor was that small. But with it all being made from bent steel plate, thinnest being 6mm steel as covers, and then going to the chassis, made from 25mm steel plate welded to make the U channels and such, so that you had a 16 ton aircraft tractor, locked forever into first gear with a pin. Those were wicked fast on take off, though when they were involved in accidents, invariably the damage was to what they hit, and possibly a new coat of yellow paint on the tractor. I did rebuild one that caught on fire, memorable in that they used every fire extinguisher in the area on it before the brigade arrived. not worried about the tractor, but because of what it was towing when the wiring loom caught fire.
@@SeanBZA the Mk.1 models used deutz. Noted by the smaller grill style than found on the Mk. 2 and 3 models.
Great little truck. Pity the storage setup on it doesn't suit your needs, it's clearly well built and very functional. It needs to find another truck that needs it.
Put the box on the back of an old mercedes chassis - perfect for loads of craftsmen.
Double your money?
I love that the double cab is just two singles welded back-to-back
You'll need to get a type-approval document from the manufacturer - if that is possible, then you might be going somewhere!
Lovely project.
You can’t get rid of that box man. You can’t. It’s literally every man’s dream.
Personally, I'd keep the side platforms, as it will make tying down whatever load you have on it a *lot* easier. I'd love to have something like this to build into a camper, actually, but I very much doubt I'll find one here in the US. Great find, and I wish you the best of luck getting it registered.
Lovely old Maggie Deutz. They were a very popular 4 axle tipper truck in the UK.
Yep I used to drive on . Great bit of kit..
Fantastic explanations, it’s amazing all the good work you do repairing and explaining. Many thanks for your dedication.
Had this brand of truck when I was H.G.V.1 driving back in the 80's you could always rely on this no matter what, good old double bunk plenty of room when away for 6 weeks on jobs in its day a good truck to have.
100% agree . Strip out the rear body and turn it into living space .
Aluminium sheet where the side roller doors are .
Insulate with celotex sheet materials . Solar on the roof .
Honest it would make a fantastic camping vehicle .
Much nicer than sleeping in the back of the cab .
Nice truck .
We had a lot of these in Norway, but I don't think I've seen a double cab before. Very cool!
It is a nice color Olaf, now i want one of those that box simply gave me so many ideas it would be awsome to convert into a explorer vhecicle the box allows for that making the kitchen and stuff acesseable from the outside and in the middle enough for a bed and bathroom simple awesome, plus lots of rom on the cabin.
To be honest, i wasn't so sure about the color, at first. But, i think it might be growing on me.
@@KJOff-Road Trust me, im a professional backseat youtuber 😂. it is time for you finally have some color in your fleet i know that deep matte blue is a bit to take in but give it some time for your eyes to adjust to it and you will find it not so bad. Also i dont know if you read my other comment about a rev limiter or the mechanism being stucked on low gear and the leaver being disconected somehow. BTW hows the shed renovation going? :)
i suggest a sleeping cabin where teh backseats were and a storage unit in teh center of teh vehicle and then ANOTHER sleeping compartment with a fold OUT tent system at teh end like a caravan camper . the center storage unti should have folding out cooking stations for small meals so u can BBQ in teh wild ^^
Magirus Deutz what a “cool device” I’m looking forward to the things you come up with.
Greetings from the country of origin.
Greetings Ralf👍👍👍
The truck is so old with so few kilometers on the clock... it hasn't even had the "major inspection" yet, the problem with the "speed" could be that the injection pump needs an oil change because old oil becomes "sticky" over time. The problem (which someone else posted) with the leaky seal on the pump comes from "many kilometers driven", but with less than 50k on the clock it is more likely "swamped oil" so that the pump cannot turn on fully. (I speak from experience, because many mechanics don't want to do this oil change because it is a huge mess)
Nice catch! It really is a shame to remove this cool bed, maybe make it a camper unit and just hitch the trailer behind for hauling 😉
Regarding the paperwork, I would start with the German TUV, with the 1 part of the German document you might be able to get the other part? Good luck and keep us posted! 👌🏻
Way that you used to "unstick the clutch" is actually smart! I used it on my man beacuse it had same problem and it works!
what a beautiful and clean country...and what a cool vehicle with so many possibilities...GL on chasing the paperwork..let us know what ideas you plan asap..
The little button on the floor next to the little lever is high and low low,it would appear you drove all the way home in low range.😂😂😂
Starting it in 5th to break the clutch loose is going into my Farm-Fix memory bank. Subscribed. Also I have a Deutz BF6L913 I am going to put into my 1976 Ford F250 (I'm American) soon here.
Putting an old Air-cooled Deutz in and ol' f250 is a wild idea!
But i'm all for it!
Awesome video. Thanks for explaining your thoughts.looking forward to next installation..Jason. Boston,UK.
Very cool truck Kasper - looks like you have a few wee jobs to keep you busy!
That Box would make an ideal base for the construction of a camper, and with those step sides it opens up possibilities for slide outs or canvas extenders to increase the usable space, along with the under body boxes for storage etc, even if it is not used on the current chassis
I really like that truck. I think it is going to work out well. I look forward to seeing more of it.
Nice ex-German „THW“ truck, Surely low kiliometers and very well maintained.
Just quite old, but good for people who like to fix a few issues.
but in relative good condition.
I did a little research, and that truck has the Duetz F6L413 engine, which is a 4 stroke 9.6 L. V-6. It appears to be turning plenty fast RPM-wise (max is 2300 at WOT), but someone else mentioned the little lever between the seats as being for either a 2 speed axle, or the splitter for a secondary gearset in the transmission. Most likely, you were stuck in low range through the whole trip! If it's anything like the control valve for the PTO, it's probably worth looking into. I love the design of the body on that thing. It would be perfect for a tool truck at a racetrack, or for on site heavy equipment service!😉👍👍
Maggie D's always seem to sing nicely, no matter which engine they have in them, they ALL have a gorgeous exhaust note.
You scored a nice unit!! Good luck on getting registered
First time viewer. Haven't checked your other videos yet, but think that box would make a fantastic mobile service box for working on cars/trucks. Set on a trailer, it would leave the tow vehicle free to run for parts, supplies, or lunch !
Just like those old farmers in the US who salvage the bed off a "dead" pickup, build a trailer base and put the old pickup bed on top of it.
I was thinking that, ideal for a mobile welder or blacksmith.
I used to drive a Maggy Deutz 8 wheel tipper. Great bit of kit not the most powerful but that Air-cooled engine was so reliable. It never gave us any problems. Not the quietest engine and it had its own peculiar sound. But us Drivers loved them..
Another amazing video! I'm pretty good with cars but your casual knowledge, especially of diesel workings, is fully engaging!
Appears to have a governor to limit the throttle. Common in the US for fleet vehicles to keep workers from over revving and/or speeding
It could certainly be somthing like that.
My thnking was just that it we be really odd to put somthing like that, on an Emergency vehicle.
Hi, and I like your new truck. Here In the Uk, older trucks like yours are converted into Stock Car transporters with the crew cab ideal for family and mechanics to all ride along to race meetings. Anyway, good luck With your registration paperwork.
Such a cool truck, and such a great way to start my weekend. Thanks for a great video KJ
awesome and outstanding.thanks for sharing and taking us along
DEFINITELY KEEP THE DROP DOWN SIDES !!!
you will kick yourself if you get rid of it !!
As to lack of RPM ? .. could it have a rev limiter ??
Ether Mechanical ore electrical ?
What a very cool truck. Subscribed now to see what you make of it. A great base for a very interesting vehicle
Man, thats in really nice shape. Hard to believe it qualifies as a classic already! Sounds good too!
Only 46k Kms?!?! That is new!
In Denmark a classic vehicle must be minimum 35 years old
I'd like to see a video of what tools you bring, how you transport tools and anything else you can add. Cool truck
Probably the best truck engines ever deutz tough as nails
I was in the South African Defense Force in mid to late 70's and drove a 10 ton long nose Magirus there. Cannot remember the vehicle Description numbers but it was one of the most reliable vehicles I've ever driven.
That thing is awesome! Good luck with the paperwork!
You could keep the box and put it on a slight foundation ... to use as a "tool shed for outside" (garden hoses and so on) ... and as a "sunroof sitting lounge".
That way you still have it in case you want to "go on a safari".
I could be wrong but usually that button at your foot you pressed to stop the engine is actually called a decelerator, its used to retard the engine exhaust when travelling down long hills, it helps slow your vehicle down without overheating the brakes especially when carrying a heavy load..!
Hope this helps
Uncle used to run a fleet of these things as dump trucks not this particular model bur the same engine. They where used as snow plows over here in the Highlands of Scotland 6x6 you couldn't kill them😊
My new favorite youtube channel 🙂 Always interesting episodes 👍
Cool truck, very useful. That bed has got to worth something to someone, it should help to offset the cost of the truck if can sell it to someone who wants to build a service truck. Hope you get the paperwork sorted, I am sure you will have some subscribers who will help you out😀👋🇬🇧
That's a cool truck. Hope you get the papers sorted
Always wanted one of these or a bullnose mercedes 1113 for a camper build. Love it. Looking forward to more videos. Good luck sorting out the paperwork.
Awesome score there KJ. Shame about the paperwork. Take care & stay safe.
Great purchase and video. Good luck on getting it registered! 👍
Congratulations on the acquisition of the ex-THW Magirus. Unfortunately, I didn't watch the video earlier.
Here is my tip: There is a website (in German) on which thousands of historic construction machines are presented and discussed, including many ex-THW vehicles. You may be able to get help there. The latter will perhaps come quicker if you register there and introduce the vehicle. As YT generally don't like links in comments, I will send you the link by email to the address you provided in this thread.
Good luck
Thanks a lot. I got your mail 👍
This might be very helpful :)
@@KJOff-Road The Magirus Deutz 170D11 is a widespread model that is also used by many fire brigades in addition to the THW. Both areas are known for the fact that vehicles are kept in them for a long time, especially as both fire brigades and the THW have plenty of opportunity to maintain their equipment when not in use. One more thing about the THW: The Federal Agency for Technical Relief (THW) is the German civil defence and disaster control organisation of the Federal Government with volunteer helpers and full-time employees in the portfolio of the Federal Ministry of the Interior and for Home Affairs. The higher federal authority has its headquarters in Bonn-Lengsdorf. The THW was founded in 1950 and has been a federal agency under public law with its own administrative substructure since 1953. The Federal Agency for Technical Relief is therefore a higher federal authority.
The THW has local branches in almost every municipality. The equipment with vehicles and other devices is quite comprehensive. They are not a chip shop.
The Magirus model under discussion is already quite old. Since ex THW vehicles are widely known for their good condition, quite a few have found their ways to small fire brigades or into private hands. Accordingly, the concerning knowledge should be widely dispersed. The spare parts situation should not be particularly tight either. You just have to find both. Unfortunately (for you) the whole area mainly takes place in German language. In special cases, however, I'd like to help with the research. In such cases, please send me an e-mail to the address you know.
I wish you continued success.
All the best
Sir that's a super nice work truck. Greeting from Murika.
@25:50 It's a diesel it probably has a govener limiting it, it really sounds like 17-1800 rpm to me, that wouldn't be out of the normal. I'd think 2500 would be too fast for that engine to spin, most older diesel engines are booking it at 2 grand
I hope you can do the paper work to see what we like, the mechanic work. Good luck!
Nice!
A former „Bundesanstalt für Technisches Hilfswerk“
Magirus
You mean THW ?
@@WindgonnerTHW is the shorted name
Congrats on the new vehicle. Hope you’ll succeed in getting it registered 🙂
Looking forward to this project.
Looks like an old THW GKW nice
GKW I. It has a winch. Used to drive the thing a for a while in the early 2020s. The only disadvantage is the ventilation - you wont see anything if you have people with wet clothes in there with you.
Great interaction guys
That thing is really cool. And you have some great bike lanes where you live!
Nice truck! That wouldbe a great truck for my job! Hope you get the papers sorted. Good luck!
Interesting that you were allowed to drive it home. I live in Croatia and have an LDV Convoy van I used to move my stuff from UK in 2011. I've been doing some welding to get it back in roadworthy condition but again I'm not sure if I will be allowed to register it on Croatia plates.
Dude can you show me the NATO jumper connector at some stage, if you think of it please, interested. I spent near 200 euros on some 350 amp andersons for my winch and , well thats too much!
Lovely truck. I dont know jack about those air cooled engines, never seen one, very interested to know more, find it hard to comprehend how it would keep cool under load. That IFA was a beaut. Great content.
Thanks!
And yeah, that is definetly too much!
The round Nato style connector are usually more expensive than the "Anderson" connectors. and even then, a set of nato connectors should only be about 100-150 euro.
That truck is freaking cool!
Oh it has the the air cooled v6 diesel, of course! I was slow to put two and two together. Awesome! It sounds like a normal diesel?!
A beautiful air-cooled V6 engine. Deutz F6L714, built for eternity.
I’m driving/working with iveco 160(that one with you wanted)amazing truck
Enjoy your channel and content, Thank you.
I've never heard of this type of vehicle, but it looks a lot like an old Dennis fire engine, obviously without the water tanks or ladders.
THW is the ones we look up to in civil defence. They are GOOD!!!
That crew-cab, Would make a great sleeper cab!
She might be old, Still a very good truck!
Man you can make such a cool camper out of that truck.
If that has the original air cooled engine its a winner, theres 50% of any breakdowns eliminated...
I had a V10 tractir unit, one of the most reliable trucks in the 70s
very reliable truck , but not longer or lower than the VW man . the performance of the engine will surprise everyone. but there are some backdraws , you have to check the entire rig on regular basis . the exhaust on both sides of the engine will fail one day soon because of rust , and
buying a new one is close to ten grand each side. we use to get ex army one side V12 manifolds of the same engine type (613/614 or 712/714) depending on the measures of the cilinder heads apart. and cut those in half to match two 3 cilinder manifolds. a lot of welding saved us thousants.
german THW (federal agency for technical relief = blue) or fire trucks are always a good sign, low kilometers and still regularly checked and maintained
The Deutz would make a nice overlander that racks etc can still be used in many ways.
It sounds like the governor is sticking at high RPMs. A little Marvels Mystery oil in the oil for about 30 minutes and then an oil change might solve the problem.
The box might be a good idea to keep and modify. It would hold a vehicle and keep the vehicle from the weather.
What you need to register it is called a Datenblatt,that's a manufacturer issued data card,to obtain it you will need the vin/chassis number.If you can't get it you may be able to contact the THW,they are very helpful and may be able to help.But don't be under the illusion that Germans are efficient,these times have gone quite a while ago. Good luck.
Thanks a lot! :)
Such a nice little truck.
That truck would make a killer camper.
Muito bom, havia de ter comprado o camião velhinho também... Merecia a salvação. Abraço 😊
Kaspar, I thought getting imported vehicles registered in Australia was hard, we have it easy, no need to find history etc for it, so long as the numbers match the export/import documents no sweat. a tray keepin the drp down side platforms and a ramp would to me be ideal and use the box as tool storage and centre aisle of the box as somewhere to store long lengths of steel, and when you showed the middle on left side of the box instant location for a decent compressor. my thoughts but hey I'm Aussie. Pete
Hah, yeah. it really can be quite a headache. with the system we have, the paper-work is more important than the vehicle itself.
@@KJOff-Road I recognize the blue/white paint on the truck. This was from THW of Germany, a civil defense service team. Germany also has a dedicated water rescue team known as the DLRG.
Cool truck with that rear body.
This is sweet ! What a unit ! There something about those old trucks. I have my licence for a 7T5 pls help me justify myself the cost and place to store it ahah
that would make an amazing camping vehicle
the bed should be worth whatever you paid for the truck, very well made with lots of features. I'm amazed with the redtape and restrictions imposed by norway, my friend in estonia has similiar issues. dont understand the restrictions but I wont bellyache so much about U S crap! don't they make pickup trucks in eu? seems like the answer to alot of the problems! good luck!
Haha, yeah. we do have pick-up's :)
But with the backwards kind of rules we have here, they become pretty useless, for big things.
as anything over 3.5 tons (Total weight of vehicle and load) moves up into commercial-vehicle terretory. where you need a separate license, a drive under a different set of rules. (Like you can't go above 80km/h)
So not only are the pick-ups extremely expensive to have (Because they are big cars) but you can't use them the way the are intended.
So if you have a commercial license. It's actually many times cheaper, to just get a huge commercial vehicle like this :)
personally I would rather have the red one but that's just me I love old trucks and the older the better . old trucks are just stronger and better built compared to what they build now
Indeed. Those IFA trucks are Very cool!
However, this particular one was in Very poor condition. And really beyond re-build. Unfortunately.