Why is the 03/04 Terminator Cobra Engine so STRONG? Internals exposed
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This video shows the breakdown of the Terminator rotating Assembly. Having a fully forged rotating assembly vs cast is what helps the terminator hold over 1,000 HP.
This video linked below shows a great summary of how the world was reacting as Camaros/FIrebirds would struggle with the terminator, and how the Terminator now chased down Z06s.. all as Forums and RUclips now came forward, and had the ability to broadcast it to the world.This is why we have 707 HP Hellcats, 650 HP Z06s, ZL1s, ZR1s, CTS-Vs etc running around now. Ford set a new standard. • Pullied 03 Cobra vs St... 
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This is absolutely in the top 3 best Cobra engineering videos on RUclips lol.
Calibur43 thank you. See my tear down videos if you haven't already
The Terminator really did revolutionize the muscle industry. Chevy was basically like "ok we're fucked' and shelved the Camaro for the next 5 years. Even the new Camaro in 2009 was slightly slower than a stock Cobra lol.
kingcrimson234 wasnt it 2010?
10 was the first year of the 5th gen
kingcrimson234 but didn't chevy have a 325hp naturally aspirated v8???!
Erik Space Age what's your point
kingcrimson234 the Camaro mainly went out of production because of poor sales so they stop producing them and most likely put the money saved into R&D
I wish Ford would ditch the overpriced Shelby name and just go back to a Cobra stang, amazing performance at a reasonable non inflated, price.
+Sigrafix yes! John colletti was proud to say he was giving the consumer $10k+ of performance parts for free, but Ford put that to a stop real quick
More like 425hp at crank 390 to the ground. I love this mustang. As much as I love the new mustangs and they are beasts in their own right This car still holds a special place in my heart
Yes, underrated for sure. They made 360-380 to the wheels, so 420hp range stock
great video , a lot of people simply don't know what these cars are ! even to this day people still don't realize , these are some of the best Mustangs ever built and they respond incredibly to just bolt ons
SJC Cobra yeah, there is probably an age gap with this car now for people who did not grow up with 200 hp Mustang GT's and then saw a 400 hp COBRA. It's kind of the norm now with the 5.0
Danny Johnson I remember inspecting the first one off the truck when I worked at a Ford dealer . when I got back from my fifteen mile pdi test drive, cats are clinking, engine smells like burnt paint....I bet I wore three 32nds off the tires...fun car , no dout.
I'm out of Austin TX, havent seen a Terminator in at least 7 years. They are so rare now.
Awesome video! That's why I love these Cobras! No wonder they're so coveted and were made in short supply in their time. Between the forged internals and 2 man teams building the engines, so much care went in to production that it was difficult to produce them in high numbers. I would still take an 03-04 Cobra over the newer GT500's...
QuikBrdr83 totally. The GT 500 was a pretty sad product in the fact that Ford went after getting more money rather than providing affordable power-from the man Colletti himself
Scrun Johnson I agree...Hoping that something synonymous as a "GT500" and a product with the Shelby name on it sells. I love a nice 67 and 69 fastback, but the 03-04's will forever be my favorite mustang and they definitely broke the mold with design and ingenuity for the modern time
QuikBrdr83 yeah, the last great, affordable SVT mustang as far as I see it. The car that put mustangs on the same field as corvettes. A revolutionary car
The SVT cobras were so great , that Shelby and Ford could not help it but leave snake badge on the newer mustangs in remembrance of the SVT COBRA. Really wish the Cobra name would make a comeback instead of calling the top tier mustangs "Shelby's" and "GT500" or "GT350" lol. I love my 03 Mach 1. I can honestly say its my dream car after coming from a 02 sonic blue GT!
I love how simply "fuck you" design the cobra is, I love this car solo much. It sukz being a child cuz I can't find any of these Ina video game, it's alway the damn cobra r...
12years later 600+ 1/4 pass this Engine as seen countless sets of rear tires ...Whit out any hic hop! i have to say i'm F.... loving it :)) thumbs up! FORD
speedy3remy seems you keep it well fed with good fuel and enough fuel, not too much ignition timing and it will put up with a lot. If say most failures I've seen are fuel system/ lack of fuel/not enough octane.
True.. i rather pay more on Fuel and Save on mechanical parts! :) Air/Fuel/Lube/Coolant There nothing to be Gain by stretching any of these 4 other then Mechanical Failures !
speedy3remy I
People always say the Modular engine was/is junk. There's a reason why they were chosen for fleet and law enforcement vehicles. They take a beating and 3-400k is quite common. Great engines I think.
Yeah, that can’t be true because that means they have to be reliable as fleet and enforcement.
I’ve never heard the modular engine be called junk. The only ones with a bad reputation are the 3v configurations
@jpete3027666 Yeah I think it's just the brand purists. I've seen more GM, and Chrysler products eat lifters and drop valve seats than major failures with this platform.
@@jefffalk8484 yeah the 2v 4.6 and 5.4 are great engines! You can't hurt them.
So much respect for the Terminators
About 10 years ago when I got mine I noticed on ebay there were tons of 03 04 terminator engines pulled from wrecked cars. I think alot of these cars had died or ended up as drag cars with different engines. This past summer I have only seen one or two around my area.
Chuck Kropke III yeah a lot of them been wrecked. I can’t remember where I saw it. Maybe a Svt forum where they actually had a count of how many had been wrecked.
Excellent video and educational to boot! Thank you!
Always had a soft spot for the Terminator Cobras. Test drove one back in '04 but didn't commit, and when I see one I still get a twinge of regret. :)
Mechanic thanks for watching. They were brand new when I was graduating high school but too expensive. I'm glad I finally got one and have this one that belongs to my friend to work on
All of this and then they decided “let’s just put this **** alternator in there and see how long it lasts”
1998232v6 an underpowered V6 one at that! I have a full mechman 240amp install if you haven’t seen it!
Blew mine up exactly like you said. Fuel ⛽️
Thanks for the videos I enjoy them. I have a book its called building 4.6 /5.4 ford horsepower. In the book they take a left over 03 cobra engine sold through ford racing and strapped it to a dyno and they made 501hp at 6500 and 461ft-lbs. They so underrated that engine at 390hp. You may have it, if you dont you should check out a 1/4 scale model 03 cobra engine cool stuff. Thanks for the videos this ones old but I just seen it now.
The crank weighs 52 pounds, I've personally bought and weighed one.
99-04 cobra had tumble port otherwise known as C heads with different versions. 99- early 03 manufacture dates had DA heads. Mid 03- early 04 had DB heads. Mid- late 04 had DC heads. DC was the final revision of the heads to combat the infamous head tick due to overheating coolant in the head over cylinder number 6,7,8. It can be prevented if the head is still good by the head cooling mod. 93-98 4v mod motor had swirl port otherwise known as B heads. B heads had 2 individual intake ports on the head whereas C heads have 1.
Ford went with the iron block because they wanted the engine components to all be made in America. Those teksid blocks have been pushed over 1k whp.
J- Splitt yeah, that's all good info. I've read about a lot of it in "how to build a 4.6L/5.4L". It's all a lot of fun
Nice video! You make me like even more my #1894 TR Cobra. Subscribed.
Wow, great learning experience from this. Nice job and great info, own a 4.6.
Great information always
Thanks for another informative video Danny.
Mike Lewis Thank you for watching 👊🏼
This is a great and informative video bro. Thank you so much! Very much appreciated.
iamSelfSufficient thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it
So it's a built engine from factory
Big frank yes. The term "built" would be referring to fully forged
yup
8 Hour: Stk.Cobra Terminator is Forged Good Enough for Actually 750 h.p. ,Before Wrist Pins Get A Little Squirrley. Had One for A While,Still One Of Best Bangs for the Buck.
Danny Johnson I have an 01 Bullitt 2v how can I make her handle like a cobra? I want a kennebelle twin screw and I want her to handle the power easy but I want it also as a daily driver and don’t plan to romp on it a lot maybe once a day after she’s warmed up. How would I go about that? Looking for suggestions on where to buy parts the cost and what I need to build to have cobra power.
Excellent information!
Great great video 🤘🏻love the depth knowledge!!!
ANDREW GRAY Thanks for the comment and for watching 👊🏼
This makes our Boss 5.4 engines in Australia look good. 390hp @ 5500 stock with an easy 30hp achieved in a basic tune.
Nice video gaining some knowledge
Very well done video, I learned a lot Thank you
David Sandy Thank you! Feel free to see my other videos ruclips.net/video/bPaJ8pYh3cQ/видео.html
Great Info. Thanks
antho R thank you for watching
Awesome vid. Very well explained.
+OrygunChainsawMassacre thanks for watching
One of my all time favorite cars.
Dom- 4Real They are historical and awesome for sure!
great video man
David Last thanks!
This thing is the 2jz of American motors. No doubt
Yes! I agree!
It’s better than a 2jz.
@@mikesimmons852 lol...i agree haha. Im biast to mustangs though its truely amazing what these are capable of. I am old enough to remember pre terminator ford lol...when mustang gts had barely over 200 hp to the wheels stock. The regular cobras and mach 1 was pretty good for their time but these things were unreal performance per dollar ratio. To think...an 01 cobras msrp was anout 32 grand...a year and a a half or so later the msrp on these was 34 grand or so...there was no 02 because they took a min to finish developing this car so it became an early 03 model. For that 2 grand extra over the 01 on msrp you got the t56 over the tr3650...you got a fully forged bottom end and a blower to boot...not to mention 17x9 wheels stock vs 17x8 on 01 models...they came with bilstein shocks stock and were half inch lower by comparison....they had dope as fuck for the time electro luminisent gauge faces (01s were white face but not EL glow) plus they had an aluminum flywheel and driveshaft stock...not to mention the other various things that were better than the 01...the hood wing bumpers side skirts all that subtle changes but so mean...it went from Being no comparison with any vette let alone a z06 to being a true contender for a z06 that was 20 grand cheaper. Younger guys just dont understand how amazing these cars were in 03...today with lots of 600-800 horse cars around people get jaded...these were doing that waayyyy before it was the "norm". I remember chevy guys arguing the z06 was better blah blah...i would say hold up a second guys...take a second to think were actually seriously comparing a mustang to a top of the line z06 vette...unreal. before these that was unheard of. Love these and in 2 years im finally gonna go hunting for one. Wanna pay off my daily 280 whp fiesta st first (pretty fast for what it is
..weighs 2600 lbs lol). Been wanting one of these since i was 19 when they came out. Ive had 3 89 gts...5 speed...a 94 a 95...a 97 cobra and 03 mach...neverna terminator...yet
@@michaelharris748 I hear you, I remember the early RUclips racing video days, the Supras and Terminators were the biggest stars, I'm currently saving up for a downpayment for a home but once i get it my next plan is to save up for a 04 Cobra ^.^
JAP TAP I think your describing the Chevy LS engines
Great video thanks, I was wondering if the cobras came with forged internals which I assumed they did because of the supercharger but this confirms my assumptions.
That's why I am looking to swap the Terminator engine into the '84-'86 foxbody I'm looking for instead of the Coyote as most folks are doing who are messing with engine swaps. :)
Kristjen Štjuprić They are both pretty good options, but nothing like that whine and built engine on the terminator!
@Danny Johnson - Indeed my friend :D I love your videos by the way!
Excellent, thank you for your reply . You got a new subscriber 👍
welcome aboard 🛳
I want to turn my 4v in my Lincoln Mark VIII LSC into a Terminator clone, and you've given us the recipe in this video. Thanks.
The mark 8 has a very good teksid aluminum block-same company ferrari uses for their blocks
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage Yeah, the easy work is already done since that Teksid motor comes with the car. And with a factory IRS unit and a Kenne Bell Blowzilla, my car will be a Terminator in a tuxedo. Lol;
MegaTronn Nice!
You sir, earned yourself another subscriber 😀
+Angel Martinez thank you. Hope you enjoy the other vids
Good video
Mark Lowe thanks for watching
I couldn't agree with you on the last couple seconds of the video👏
Great video! I am looking to have an engine built for an old truck of mine. Probably go with a built 351w or a Coyote swap.
grantlandneil What kind of old Ford truck do you have man.
Very interesting video. I find it intriguing what makes an engine so strong. I never realized the 2V rods were so tiny, that's insane. I have a Silverado with the LM7. It's essentially an iron block LS. It has 6 bolt mains, 1 piece front and real main seal, and really nice flowing heads. Hot Rod was able to bolt up some turbos and dyno 1200 horsepower with the stock rotating assembly. I think the only thing they beefed up was the head bolts, they switched to ARP bolts. The engine has over 200 quarter mile runs and countless dyno pulls. It's always been amazing to me they mass produced such a strong engine. Mine will last forever as I run synthetic oil and only pull a trailer once or twice a month.
Does anyone know how strong the Coyote engines are ?
Robert Smith yes. I own a Silverado as well and it's running strong with 220k+ miles. Good engines, very simple. Coyotes are doing well on numbers because they have high compression ratios and e85 is available, so they can make 1k HP but their rods are powder forged, so still on borrowed time after awhile
Danny Johnson interesting, thank you. I remember the old 5.0 from the Fox Body would crack in half anywhere over 400 horse (maybe less) so we've certainly seen improvements over the years. We're currently in the golden ages.
Robert Smith yeah. I'm somewhat surprised companies are making 700-800HP cars from the factory
Wealth of info . That’s the first full break down of aftermarket parts in that motor I’ve seen . Now question time . Does the 5 speed 8 bolt forged crank in my Mach 1 have the same specs and is it Kellogg? I believe the autos were six bolt cast .
Correct. Same 8 bolt kellogg forged crank in the 5 speed mach 1. Autos where 6 bolt cast. A friend of mine has a reman engine in his mach 1 and it actually had “mach 1l engraved on the crank. I couldn’t find anything on this cobra crank- not sure if it was a reman thing
I kind of wonder why Ford didn’t just put a shorter pulley from the factory with the right tune. This seems to put out 500hp easily. I guess they ran out of money after putting all of the money into the internals and they figured their buyers would upgrade them anyway.
You give true facts
Poor colletti he already knew when he made that statement his job wasn't going to last free $10,000 worth of parts
I've been thinking about build my own , using the teksid block. And using the 03/04 terminators top end .port everything heads and the stock blower .
Jon Roberts That’s worked out well for others that I’ve seen do it. Saves some weight and still plenty strong. A lot of people pull them from Lincoln mark 8s
@@dannyjohnsonsgarage yeah thats where I think I will get it , but I did see a couple of svt. 01-04 in erepairables website. 10k$ to 20k
love your Cobra review "how to" videos!!!
oolou04 Cobra thanks for watching.
+Scrun Johnson your iron block is two bolt mains the side bolts are called jackscrews they simply center the main cap properly
Hey Scrun I have an 03 Mach 1 and was wondering if the dissasembly and assembly of the cobra motor is similar to the Machs. Need to replace my lash adjusters and it's pretty intimidating. A video of head dissasembly and assembly would be awesome! Thanks!
Luke Conley yes, the process is pretty much identical after removing the blower. I'll see if I can do a cylinder head video
Those heads are on navigators and mark VIIIs and continentals as well? or do they bolt to the 5.4 blocks differently than 4.6?
A lot of them are interchangeable and will mount, but then some won’t work with the lower intake manifold and supercharger system. The aviator 4.6 are the same (even better with dc casting) but the mark 8 are B heads. ruclips.net/video/8LQC8XXBl2Y/видео.html
Hi Danny, I'm in the process of rebuilding my Mach 1 engine and found a set of Manley rods and New Zoller .20 over pistons (03 cobra OEM manufacture). I know the pistons are 4032 material instead of 2618. How long do you think the engine will hold on a Ported Eaton with 14 pounds of boost (500rwhp)? Would 100k miles be possible or am I foolish for not going 2618 material? My goal is a 100k mile sealed engine.
they have H beams stock!?!? I knew they were strong and badass, but damn! I'm also quite suprised I didnt know that
Yes sir. Manley, forged 😎
its also kinda interesting that they were actually snapping rods! it shows how hard all that cylinder pressure at relatively low rpm is on everything, I run my stock 5.8l bottom end at 600 ft lbs all day and hear others do more just fine, takes a lot less pressure to make that torque as well as the less violent boost from a turbo instead.
I've been a huge fan of this car since it debuted in sonic blue at the autoshow. I owned two sn95's and this is the last sn95 I want to own. Thanks for sharing this video. The real reason why the terminator was created because the 01 Cobra was performance matched to tuned up svt focus. John Coletti wasn't so happy about this in his iron fist lead foot. One day I shall own SB Terminator.
JerZeyFiveOh love that book. Check out my video on it ruclips.net/video/I4ZZ3f2DuGY/видео.html
+Scrun Johnson. Thank you for the link you are real svt enthusiasts, everything you said was spot on. Its crazy that I went so long without owning one. Now that life is settled down a bit I am going to have to get one.
JerZeyFiveOh luckily, many of these were preserved. I'm considering picking up another one. I can always dream, right!?
+Scrun Johnson. Yes we can. I have a 1996 GT, 2002 GT, and last piece to the puzzle is 03 Cobra. We can dream big man! Fantastic cars and there really isnt anything like them today. The 2014 GT500 is completely different muscle car and the S550 cars are really refined. The SN95's to me are perfect blend of modern and muscle car. I'm actually contemplating on letting go my first car my 96 which I had through H.S. It is extremely clean.
Don't forget about the Cobra R
Do the c heads work on the n/a cobra from 01? I’m not a mechanic sorry if it’s obvious or not
Yes, a lot of people use the 01 cobra aluminum block for a build on their 03/04 cobra. They bolt on
I have a 98 Mark VIII and been wondering what’s the difference between the Intech 32valve and the terminator? I know about the forged internals, cams, intake and ECU. I planning on eventually building and supercharging it based off the cobra. Is there anything else I’ll probably need to convert over?
jaebush This video does a great job showing internals. Basically there are small things such as the cams being lined up instead of staggered as well as the throttlebody blades ruclips.net/video/RgUjgqPJONg/видео.html
Great vid man! Will you be reusing the piston/connecting rod assembly for the new build? If not, would you sell me one?
Ruben Ramirez At this time, the owner plans to reuse everything that was not damaged and keep the ranged parts as a discussion piece in his garage lol.
Great video, is it possible to run E85 on these Cobras without upgraded fuel lines or anything? I have an 01' Cobra with an Eaton swap and all forged internals, but here in Ohio E85 is very easy to get.
your main challenge is to get enough flow with the stock pumps. Or even a stock pump on a 01 Cobra. it’s possible, but you’ll be very limited until you go full return fuel system to big pumps
So are the 01 cobra heads good ? I have a 03 cobra but it ticking and I was gonna get my extra 01 cobra heads ported and polished and put them in
Esian Fuentes yeah, 2001 heads are almost as good as of 03/04 heads, but you want to make sure everything will work with fitment. Maybe it was just the front timing components that made the Eaton swap difficult for 01 COBRA's, but it may have also had to do with the heads as well.
my car has 170049 miles on stock block heads and made 669 whp
Is the stock block for 04 cobra came with 4 main bearing or 2 main bearing for the crankshaft ?
omar alharthy if you watch at 8:22 it shows you have a total of 4 bolts per main cap. Two directly on top and two coming in from the side. An aluminum block has two more on the top for a total of 6 per main cap
+omar alharthy if you watch at 8:22 it shows you have a total of 4 bolts per main cap. Two directly on top and two coming in from the side. An aluminum block has two more on the top for a total of 6 per main cap
Go in depth with aluminum block vs iron
Do u recommend using the OEM oil filter? Seems like most people are. I’m using K&N oil filter and royal purple. This was my first oil change. Just got it last summer.
Yes, motorcraft FL820-S. I used a k&n once and it had far too much backflow. The car sounded like it was out of oil every time I started it.
Danny Johnson hmm. I haven’t noticed any change. So when you started it did it sound like it was ticking?
Mayjor Maynard Yeah, for a split second just like when you first start it after an oil change.
i was looking at a 99 cobra for sale. the interior and even the engine bay looked perfect, but it has 130000 miles on the engine so I was planning on rebuilding the engine with forged internals. I cannot really find the parts for a 99 cobra engine. Can anyone help?
YouShouldReallyContemplate Suicide i'm doing a video series on rebuilding the 4.6 L engine. The first thing you will want to do is buy the book how to build a 4.6/54 engine. I am reading through that book now to redo the build step-by-step, so watch my videos on pulling and disassembling the cobra engine and stay tune for the rebuild.
hello I'm about to start a rebuild on my mach 1 engine and I was wondering how similar the 03/04 mach 1 engines are to the 03/04 cobra engine. Like could I use the forged crank and pistons with the the mach 1 block or would I also have to buy a block. Reason for rebuild is I spun a bearing about a year ago and want to turbo or supercharge the car in the future that's why I'm asking about the forged parts out of the cobra. Thanks
Excalibur1009 the Mach 1 has the same cylinder heads and crankshaft (if the car is a 5 speed manual. The automatics came with a cast crank). The block on the Mach 1 is aluminum, but could still hold decent power. The connecting rods and Pistons would need to be changed out to forged ones. The Mach 1 also has a higher compression ratio of 10:1, so your piston selection would be how you would drop the compression ratio lower, which is safer on boost
alright thanks so much
I have a question is this the same engine that is in the 2000 Lincoln navigator I have a 2000 Lincoln navigator with the 5.4 32 valve in tech engine is it the same platform the thing flys and has lots of power wondering if this is the same engine
Tim Pyatt similar layout, but the crank on all automatics is a 6 bolt cast not forged.
Thank you so the block is the same and the cylinder heads the only thing that is different is the crank are the pistons and connecting rods the same? And how much power could I make with this engine intill I get in the danger zone of blowing it up I want to make more power with it was wondering witch way I would go with that thank you
Love my volkswagen cylinder head. It flows so well. 5v per cylinder.
MI Smith & Wesson 3V for intake, 2V for exhaust?
this is a great video! you seem to be well versed with ford motors. in your honest opinion, which motor would you rather choose between a 2015 mustang 5.0 coyote motor or the terminator motor and why? i have a 2015 mustang gt, but i feel I may get a cobra one day and just want some more opinions. thanks.
Loscar5oh I was actually going to make a video on 5.0 vs terminator engines lol. It's all about goals. Both are great platforms, and without rebuilding the engine, the coyote's biggest advantage is making great power while being n/a with high compression (though it also makes good power with low boost being high compression- you just can't push it too hard, but you don't have to- it makes a lot of power from the high compression ratio). The terminator is also a Goliath for boost and safe to do so at 8.5:1 compression ratio...both great engines
Scrun Johnson thanks for the advice. I was wanting to procharge my 5.0 at some point but it would be amazing to build up a termi as well. in terms of reliability, lets say both are pushing 650 hp, which would hold better?
Scrun Johnson oh and you should totally do that video!
Loscar5oh is hand that one to the terminator, since the rods on the coyote are powder forged and may not hold up for a long time, but both can see 600s no problem
Scrun Johnson i didnt knoe that aboyt the coyote rods, i learned something new today lol. thanks for the help man, hopfully one day ill get my hands on a termi.
Best motor ever!!!
It’s really a great engine for its day and still holds its own today.
Damn,Those connecting rods are robust
MI Smith & Wesson yes, they have been proven to do very well. I don't think the ones ford came out with afterwards for the GT500 are even as good. I've heard of them snapping a lot
MI Smith & Wesson yes, they have been proven to do very well. I don't think the ones ford came out with afterwards for the GT500 are even as good. I've heard of them snapping a lot
How many liters is the stock Eaton supercharger? What is the max boost it capable of putting out? Thanks.
556 4Ever stock eaton is about 1.8L. After porting and a very small pulley you can see about 15 psi give or take
556 4Ever you might enjoy this video if you have not seen it yet. ruclips.net/video/sqYP7YGanYg/видео.html
Thanks for the info. I just picked up a 2004 SY Termi with 36K miles. Has a 2.76 pulley with belt tensioner, CAI and Bassani exhaust with hi flow cats, SCT big mouth MAF with SCT tune and an MGW shifter. I'm planning on getting it dyno'd to see where it stands. I'm thinking somewhere between 450-470. What do you think? Is that realistic?
NICE VIDEO FOR THE KIDS TODAY WHO HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY RE DRIVING, nice job. Subscribing,
Disagree with some of what I watched so far. The the Teksid block was 96-98 only, however there have been a few to slip through and show up in some 99 and 01 cobras, it would be interesting note if the German forged or Kellogg.
ALSO DISAGREE ABOUT YOUR ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE BLICK CHANGE, THE IRON BLOBK IS USED AT FIRST GLANCE BECAUSE ITS PRECEIVED AS STRONGER, BUT WAS MAINLY COST CUTTING,.....FOR TEKSID ALUMINUM BLOCKS ARE SUPER STRONG. GOOD FOR 1000 HP+ PLUS MUCH MORE DESIREABLE FOR THE WEIGHT SAVINGS. ESP WITH A BLOWER BEING TACked on
Keep in mind if Ford’s official statement for going to iron was for strength, that’s what I would report over an opinion about it being for cost savings. When you consider the aluminum blocks available to ford in 2003-2004 (as found in the Mach 1, which is a WAP block-meaning Windsor assembly plant), the iron block is stronger than what they had. The Teksid blocks came from italy and were heat treated and tanked, and without that process Ford did not have an aluminum option that would be stronger. Also, since teksid blocks appeared in 99 and also a handful of 01 Cobras, it would be incorrect to claim it was 96-98 only
I have a 1997 Cobra with Kenne Bell supercharger and I going to swap aluminum block for Terminator block.. any ??
Not much info out there...
FrogsterGonzo Unless there is a problem, keep your 97 aluminum teksid block. It’s just as strong and lighter.
I have a 97 teksid also and it’s the holy grail. I did eagle ceramic coated pistons and Oliver rods 20psi boost with a pro charger and it’s bullet proof at 1000whp!!!
Some o1 svt cobra had teksid block to later in the 01 year for the 02 relase we're WAP blocks , and Ford realized that it sucked and changed it again to cast iron block for the 03-04 terminators
They changed it to iron for the terminator for its heat/stress with the new supercharger, but did continue to use the WAP (windsor assembly plant) aluminum block on the 03/04 Mach 1. The only 2002 cobras were the 100 sent to Australia and they were pretty much 2001 models ruclips.net/video/h_bibkFzdpw/видео.html
Sale me that competition orange you have in the garage man
+manuel M Ramirez LOL. It is a very nice car. Have you seen my showcase on it? ruclips.net/video/ogkoZnIXWx8/видео.html
basically the american 2JZ
Wind of change well said. I agree
I can see why people love these cars and engines so much, they are definitely worthy of the praise they receive.
Wind of change Exactly man.
Oh Hell no man, buuutt this engine is badass just like the 2JZ.
@Cobradriver99 Yup, with T66 turbos with NOS, and a Motec System Exaust to smoke your silly muscle car.
I'd rather have a stronger block then saving weight! ol'boy might learn the hard way depending on his power level!
Edward Thayer the teksid blocks were manufactured from Italy via the same company that builds the blocks for Ferrari. They are heat treated and strong enough to hold just about anything you'd put to them. The WAP (Windsor, Ontario plant) aluminum blocks are a different story, but still okay. Interestingly enough, the aluminum blocks have 4 bolt main cap studs vs the iron with only 2
Idk if this would sound like a stupid question but would the cobra internals fit in a 03 marauder?
Quinnn Harris Yes. The cobra has a pretty low compression ratio, so I’d keep the cobra crank and cobra rods and get some different forged pistons with less dish to up the compression ratio
Ok, thanks man!! I bought a marauder but the engine has a knock so I want to break it down and rebuild, looking to get at least 500 at the rear wheel...
Quinnn Harris The complete supercharger system from the cobra will mount up, but you need a ton of parts. You might want to consider buying a complete cobra engine to just drop in. With machine work and parts, you’ll be at that cost. I’ll post a link to where I remove and tear down my friend’s cobra engine so you see what it’s all about
Quinnn Harris ruclips.net/video/YFZVIkDmgY8/видео.html
Thank bro, I really appreciate...but your right, I will need a tone of parts if I tried it. Thinking it will be cheaper to just go with the Vortech Supercharger instead.
I thought the 99 and 01 cobras have c heads??so my 96 cobra had powered rods,lol j/k. All that will change some day eventually,i got some plans. Loving my forged crank and 1000hp+ teksid block though :)
Btw try and do a heads video,i just got a 5 angle valve job and changed my valve guides as they were destroyed(idk how the fuck previous owner).
Morbid SVT COBRA I'll have to look at the specifics, but I believe the sn95s had the b heads and somewhere between when and the new edge they went to c heads, but the Cobra/Mach 1s had a revision (likely to accommodate the blower and flow better) so you can do an eaton swap on a 99/01 but it needs some kind of adapter
Yea they sell a kit for the eaton for c heads,i would have gone the c head route and then bought the kit,but i did my heads and ill just get a procharger later down the line
The 99 and 01 Cobras did have C heads. In 99 if you remember ford had an issue with the cobras not making the power they stated due to: restrictive intake manifold (which was a new design), heating issues around cylinders 6-8, and a exhaust that was too restrictive. Ford has a TSB out for this and fixed these Cobras at no cost to the owners. This was obviously fixed for the 2001 cobra. Also you can do an eaton swap on a 99/01 Cobra because of the head design. You cannot use a terminator eaton on a 96-98 without a kit (if one exists) or extensive modifying. The head you showed in the video @Scrun actually looks in good shape. Is the owner going to get the coolant crossover mod done during the rebuild? I would recommend it.
In would get the coolant crossover mod too if i was him while the engine is out,piece of mind.
There's nothing like that cast iron block...I wanna buy another cobra.
They are great cars for sure and will always be loved
So it you read the last text at the end of the video 9:33 it Looks like everyone got their ass kicked, went back to gym to compete with THE ALL MIGHTY "FERD"..... MERICA! USA!
I wonder if this engine has a forged rotating assembly?
Alex Fry yes 😎
Alex Fry did you watch the video??
Infiniti Q45 back in the 90s early 90s had the same motor 4-valve all-aluminum Sol America's way behind the Japanese builders
Ford also had the 4V in the early 90s... it’s chevy and dodge that remain with the ohv pushrod
Nothing really cazy . Maybe i would like to be around 720hp. There was a guy going compound boost stock supercharger with twin 76mm turbos . Not to bad .think it's liked with 1320 video. Doing some roll racing . Has me intrigued and compound boosting
If Ford made it a 5.0 instead of a 4.6 and increased compression proportionately, how much horse power do you think it would have made? 500 hp?
556 4Ever Yeah, something like that since the GT500 right after was a 5.4L and made 500 and then 550. Those cars made that also with a more efficient supercharger, slightly lower compression ratio (8.4:1) but a lower redline. I spoke a little about it in this video ruclips.net/video/mB7h9S_qa3I/видео.html
The terminator is the same as the Mach1 engine right? Like the one in my marauder?
Vincent Pampanin They have a similar DOHC layout but are not the same. The Mach 1 standard transmission car (5 speed) has the cobra crank and heads but not the cobra connecting rods or Pistons. The compression ratio on the cobra is 8.5:1 whereas the Mach 1 and marauder have 10:1.
The automatic transmission Mach 1 engine as well as the marauder do not have the cobra forged 8 bolt crank, so they only share cylinder heads with the cobra. The cobra has an iron block and the Mach 1 and marauder have aluminum blocks.
Danny Johnson thanks, I am looking at forced induction for the marauder, stock they are good for 8lbs. Depending on the output with 8 lbs I might do it, might not. I'm not wanting to do a full bottom end build too.
Vincent Pampanin are you going to do an eaton swap with the cobra timing chain and such?
Vincent Pampanin I have some good videos showing tear down ruclips.net/video/NT5Z5L2wAss/видео.html
Fyi all aluminum blocks are heat treated. If they weren't they would be soft as butter. After being cast they heat treat and then machined. Thanks for the great videos! Doug sales and tech Rodeck Aluminum Blocks. Home of the 350+, 481x and the TFX aluminum blocks. Now retired.
Thank you. Perhaps it was heat “tanked”? Does that sound familiar? Of course this is all second hand information, so thank you for your patience and understanding
At the end of the heat treat process the blocks come out of the hot oven and dropped into a water tank to shock the blocks. It's quite a site to see, lot's of steam and boiling water shooting out of the water tank as a dozen blocks drop in. I really like your videos!👍👍 I have a 03 azure blue Mach1 and love it! Thanks again!😁😁👍👍
Doug's Guitar Lounge Would you happen to know what makes te teksid blocks better? I heard they are much stronger from some process, but it must be something different than explained it appears
I don't know why the teksid blocks are better, I have never seen one in person, but from the pictures I have seen the wap block looks better than the teksid block. But like I said I haven't seen one in person. So I have no way to check casting hardness and thickness.
I found out the difference between the teksid block and the wap . The wap is 8lbs lighter so the casting is thinner in the valley and upper main web. When approaching 1000hp the blocks are pron to crack there. Ford corrected this in the 05 and newer wap blocks. So the 05 and newer wap block should be as good as a teksid. The wap block has a better main cap design than the teksid also. Keeo up the great videos!👍👍😎
How much would it cost to build your own cobra engine
The machine work is where you get hit hard. Plan on $10k. You’re better off buying one from a wrecked car for $6k or the whole drivetrain for $10k-$12k
Looks expensive!
JoshW817 easy $10-$15k as you probably know when it comes to engine building. I'm doing my best to help my buddy out- but that's more proof on how nice it was to have a built engine from the factory. Too bad this one leaned out. It had plenty of life left in it
Me like'y so far, I'll have to check out the other vids.
JoshW817 unfortunately, my friend who owns the car is out of funds for now, so the project is on standby. Enjoy the tear down at least 😉
+JoshW817 thanks for taking the time to watch. Hope you enjoy the other videos as well
So here is what I got from this vid....use the right gas for this car and basically you have a bulletproof engine capable of obliterating anything made today. GOT IT.
Yep.
All cobra cars had 8 bolt cranks
King Jerel thank you. I was pretty sure that was the case, but didn't want to make the claim. Not sure on the 93-95 5.0 Cobras/Cobra R.
Danny Johnson I'm sure about the pushrod era but all 4.6 cobra cars did and the aviator, marauder and mach 1 engines did as well..I was watching thinking I hope he doesn't say mahle poisons pistons lol but you you know your shit!! The zolner pistons were the weak link and the back two cylinders failed due to the coolant passage issues that I think were revised in the 2004 year.. You can do the crack pipe mod to remedy this and finally I think the high-speed 6 gear runs made them fail too bc the 6th gear ratio was so tall
Danny Johnson you've gained a Sub 🤘
King Jerel yeah, long highway pulls were definitely not wise. I'd like to do the cooling mod on the heads if I remove the Trans and have a nice straight shot. Just as a tid bit of info, the automatic Mach 1s, marauders, and even the aviator had a 6 bolt non, forged crank. That was the only disadvantage. Welcome to the channel
Danny Johnson are you sure?
What's your location?
I thought the teskid block was the strongest one 🙃🤔
For being aluminum it’s about equal- but ford no longer had the teksid block available in 2003 as they were phased out in 2001 to be replaced by the windsor assembly plant (WAP) aluminum blocks. Those also won’t really have problems under 1,000hp, but not being heat treated like the teksid was could have experienced some flex
Danny Johnson cool!! Great to know & also great infoooo
Problem with these cars is they overheat 24/7
Mine has not overheated once and I own 2. My brother owns 3 with no overheating issues at all. Any car will overheat if it’s broken..
2 valves are terrible
Chevy boys talk shit about these cars until until they get smoked lol
They didn’t call it the terminator for nothing. I have a friend at work who said his best friend had a 02 Trans Am and literally cursed and threw the magazine down when he saw a pulley put the cobra at 450rwhp. Cool story
Lol I raced my friends 2016 Mustang GT he paid around 50,000 or so for. I beat him with my Cobra he was not very happy at all. I just have a few bolt ons and cat back
GoFuckYaSelf _Cobra ha ha. Very nice! It’s really hard to justify that much on a GT. It even makes these cars worth more for the money
It's made of bedrock lol
If its SOOO good of an engine, why stop making them and stop using them on new fords? Look at the ls on chevy..
Jessi Gutierrez 1. As mentioned, Ford did not have the necessary parts available and went with better aftermarket parts on a joint venture. Once the terminator was completed, ford used their own parts that are cheaper (and not as strong) on the GT500. 2. The LS engine has evolved into many variants (LS1, LS2, LS3, LS7, LSA, etc.) so it’s not to say the LS hasn’t changed just like the terminator engine has also evolved into the 5.8L trinity and the 5.2L Voodoo V8.