If you want to do an actual accurate comparison to see how the cab's are affecting the tone you would need to use the same to speakers in each cab. Just saying! Part 2? lol
@@jamescassidy4045 agree...also he would need to use a microphone thats back away from the speaker cabinet. he has the speakers close mic'd. which makes this video really just a speaker comparison.
I think the guys shopping ampheads and speaked boxes need to know what it sounds like 6 to 10 ft away with a blastbeat and a bass cab going... one gut sitting in a room by himself with a mic 2inches from a speaker might as well have a stereo10w or a digital pedal. I'm trying to find out what i need for a gent power trio
Love the sound of the mic'd up horizontal 2x12, but being able to hear the vertical 2x12 in the room is key! That's why I've got a vertical Mesa 2x12 as well!
So if I take my horizontal recto and stand it up vertically it will sound 90 degrees off? We only mic one speaker live even if it’s upside down In the studio anything goes Cone, off cone One or two mics for me r121 and sm57 plus 1 room mic I’ve been liking AKG C 414 XL II lately but the Manley reference are an interesting change up 3 tracks then performance doubled For 2 more tracks for each guitar And a DI for reamping Lots to play with And all tracked as dry as possible
I could tell a difference, but I think it would have been a more successful comparison if you played the same riff in both cab one after the other without discussion in between, because by the time you got to the 2nd cab after talking during setting up the horizontal cab, I had forgotten what the vertical cab sounded like. If you A/B them, you can hear the contrast much better.
Glad that you enjoyed the video! There are so many factors to consider, but at the end of the day the cabinet itself and the speakers matter just as much if not more than the actual amplifier that you use. Most high gain amps can sound similar with the proper speaker cabinet, mic placement, and speaker itself.
@@ZackSeifMusic I would love to hear a comparison between a vertical 2x12 and an oversized 4x12 rectifier cab. I have a 2x12 vertical and am always wondering what I'm missing out on without a 4x12.
@@jones786 A good amount of low end and low mids, however those frequencies would always be cut in studio and also live to make room for the bass and kick. It does sound and feel really good on stage so because you have more surface area and more “air” being sent your way because it’s a bigger speaker enclosure pushing sound waves at a higher volume in your direction. However I do find it rather impractical to have a 412 live these days unless you have a road crew or play venues large enough to justify the space and stage volume. Its nice to have one in a home studio just to get the tone and feel of a 412, but at the end of the day you’re still only mic’ing a single speaker for the most part maybe two. It’s definitely a personal preference thing, I just prefer the form factor and the tone of a 212.
Around 2006 Mesa V30's went from 70w to 60w. Also a very gigged cab will sound way different to a new one. i have both 2x12 varraints for almost 20 years and i can almost never tell them apart when they are both miced.
I am glad I got a MB horizontal 2-12" cab..when I went to lift it it was like "Damn" ! It's definitely way heavier than the 2-12" EVH cab I had. The verticle cab weighing about 12-13 lbs heavier would kill my already bad back. the both sound great here in your video.
@@ZackSeifMusic I figured the issue is less about backs and knees and more about venues frowning on 4x12s especially since silent stage is all the rage these days. There is nothing like a tube head and a raging 4x12 especially when it comes to heavier styles of music. Only 2x12 I have left is a Laboga 2x12 In Camo with Marshall v30s from the old mode 4 cabs. I missed an opportunity to grab a mint set of 2 Mesa horizontal cabs for $450 a piece. Should have jumped on it quicker because the price was too good to be true. Rock on man!
Not wild about the tones BUT the comparison of the two was very well planned and executed. I love all of the details about each cab and the step by step you gave about the recording process. Very well done!
I had assumed this video was going to be about differences in sound dispersion from the two different speaker orientations, but then I saw you are close mic-ing, so it’s really about the differences of the cab size, shape, and construction, and nothing to do with than vertical vs horizontal speaker arrangements.
This is very valid. I made this video before I officially launched the channel and didn't have a room mic or anything. Figured it was still worth the review for recording and live sound for PA/FOH/IEMs😄
I have the vertical 2x12 and 4x12 cabinets but I mostly use the two horizontal 2x12 cabinets and the triple rectifier head. You can play at any venue with two horizontal 2x12 cabinets.
I have a straight 2x12 Harley Benton with the Celestions. I put the footies on the side so I can set it up vertical. A 2x12 cab vertical is far better than horizontal.
how do you feel about these nowadays? I want to get one for home, always wanted a mesa cab. I like the horizontal visually as I mostly play sitting and will place a head and pedals on top of it. But many ppl say vertical is better. Is that really so, sitting next to both of them and playing? thanks in advance and liked the video
@@ZackSeifMusic ordered a vertical one today 🤘 after a lot of research I just found out it’s a better option for my uses, even though I’m normally not a big fan of tall cabinets
I preferred the toke from the horizontal. That being said it’s the difference o have heard with 4x12 slant cab marshals vs straight marshall cabs. Slant cabs are always brighter . I’ve spoken to a few people who believe it’s just that the speaker is slanted towards your hear so that’s why you believe it’s brighter but videos like this one and others prove it’s just the build. Even if you close mic it will still sound brighter, same goes for differences in front ported cabs and cabs of different designs, even if you close mic, the difference is still there in recording . I think naturally one would eq to each cab . I enjoy my slant 1960 a. I think the extra top end makes it a lip more dynamic and not flat . I think a straight cab with an open back option can help close the bridge though .
taking just what you hear in the, "vert in the mix/horz in the mix" portion of this video is exactly why i sent my horz packing this weekend and took home the vert. even though my horz was of 2006 vintage and had the 70w V30s, AND was broken in, it still sounded like nails on chalkboard compared to the vert which to my ears is superlative and a feat in engineering. it sits next to a 1960A w/the stock T-75s underneath a JVM 210H and absolutely holds it own with a Quilter 101 Reverb and Boss MT-2 while i wait on my Badlander 100 to show up. LOL.
@@ZackSeifMusic two years ago i had four 4x12s and two 2x12s. moved across the country in 2020 and now i'm down to the aforementioned 1960A and new mesa 2x12 vert and couldn't be happier. while i snagged a lot of my cabs back in the '00s from people that needed to pay rent (and got really good deals as a result), i think a lot of that hoarding was just to flex on rig forums. 😁 i can run two rigs (mated to their appropriate cabs) in parallel now and that's all that really matters.
@zackseifmusic In the demo, the horizontal cab has more low end versus the vertical cab. Outside of the demo, have you tried to eq the amp to compensate for the loss of low end in the verticle cab? I am curious to hear your thoughts. Thank you!!!
eek! The horizontal one kinda spits blades on crunch and lead. Maybe the bottom end in the vertical 'tames' the top end in the speakers. Great demo, thanks.
Hi Zack I liked the lighting in the studio very clear and sharp, voice over was clean and crisp sorry had a chuckle with the background elevator music. I thought I was getting ready for a massage... :) just a quick tip if that's ok if your comparing the sounds possibly run 2 tracks on your recording equipment Track a Vertical cab Track B Horizontal. Record 10 seconds of clean crunch and single note lead. Drop the 2 tracks onto your editing software. Play back the recorded sample you can jump to track A then Track B to compare, with clean repeat process on crunch then repeat on lead single notes.I found it easier to demonstrate and compare the differences in short sound samples back to back rather than stringing them all together then doing the same with the other cab. Yes I did notice the vertical was very tight possibly still needed a few more hours to break in. Thanks for the demo Mesa Boogie is such nice gear very expensive in Australia.
Thank you so much for your reply! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Yes I’m always open to recommendations. Good call on having a DI track run through both sources. I do not have a proper Re-Amp box right now, even though my focusrite could probably achieve that with no issues. If you check out my video comparing the two notes Captor X to the Mesa Boogie CabClone I do have the same performance going for both demos! Appreciate the input😁
I switched to vertical 15yrs ago and never looked back for 2 reasons: 1. Like you, I wanted to hear it better and some stages are either shallow or cramped. 2. It just looks so friggin cool. 😜 I wonder if you have any different opinions about comparison since the time you posted?
I have to say that I’ve vastly prefer vertical cabinets because it gives you the spread and positioning that a 412 does but without the extra weight and volume. My thoughts are exactly the same as when I posted this video! I still own my vertical and even ended up buying a vertical FRFR for my Axe Fx set up!
I realize this video is a couple of years old, but I have some constructive criticism: I would have preferred to hear the clean channel tones back-to-back, then the crunch tones back-to-back, then lead tones back-to-back. That would have made it much easier to discern the differences in tones (rather than clicking back and forth). Also, the elevator music was unnecessary (or at least a little too loud) and made it more difficult to hear what you're saying. Other than that, very thorough work. I got the information I was looking for; I preferred the vertical cab.
Hey Nicholas, thanks for taking the time to leave some constructive criticism. All of your points are very valid, and I've utilized these in future videos since then! I shot this in late 2020/early 2021 before I even launched the channel and have def learned a lot since then. Appreciate your feedback, hope you enjoy the channel and subscribe :D
That could be a pretty cool comparison! I’ve owned almost every variation of the Mesa 112 cab and they are pretty cool for the size! I find the smaller ones to be a little boxy sounding due to the construction, but the widebody cabs sound fantastic.
@@ZackSeifMusic Thanks for the reply. I’m looking for a good option for my Mesa mini rec head. Currently playing it through a Marshall 1936a 2x12. Purely for aesthetic reasons I’d like to either get the vert cab or the two 1x12s to go next to my mini silver jubilee and matching 2x12 vert cab
Hey man. Great video. I have a question. Would it be an issue getting a horizontal cabinet but playing it in vertical positioning? Would be great to see, how different the sound would be to an actual vertical cab. Cheers!
This is how I used it for a long time, basically what you get is a very directional sound and projection. You lose some low end as well. So live it will help you here your guitar better but you do sacrifice your spread and your tone. That’s why the vertical cabinet has different dimensions and the speakers are positioned differently to prevent that from happening.
You are absolutely correct! The smallest millimeter change in position will drastically affect the guitar tone. That's why I still argue that mix placement and the speaker itself matter more than different flavors of High gain amp or different flavors of humbucker guitars. That is the final component in your tone that gets recorded.
I think i prefer the horizontal mesa. I have been looking at prices for a Mesa 2x12 and I'm shocked that it's only like 200 bucks cheaper then a new 4x12. For that price I might as well buy the full os 4x12 rectifier cab. I know they are huge but go big or go home! 🙂
The 4x12 is massive and heavy! I prefer the 2x12 personally but if your lower back and knees are happy with a 4 I say go for it haha. There are tonal differences as well. The 412 has more lower mids and the 212 has a different midrange to it.
I actually liked the in mix horizontal better. I’m about to grab a Soldano 2x12 vert and will a/b with two different horizontal cabs, same speakers to see. I have played the SLO cab and loved it (bought the SLO 30 sitting on top and figured the VHT 2x12 would sound fine with it), so I’m finally taking the dive. One thing I’ve done more on horizontal cabs that makes the biggest difference is switch speakers. Before you ditch a cab, try pairings of V30 & G12H/T/H Anniversary/Redback/Greenback, etc., be sure to ohm match too. Cool demo; vertical 2x12s are definitely clearer, and only Mesa, Friedman, Soldano, & Bogner retain most of the low end unlike other brands (outside of custom like Mojotone and Zilla Cabs).
Have been looking around for a mesa 2x12 cab and have come across the 2x12 horizontal and 2x12 compact. What would be the difference and how would i tell them apart in which the compact is like $50 cheaper? Tia!
I’ve owned both! I like the compact because it’s a little lighter and punchier. The full size will have a little more low end response and sounds better mic’d in my opinion. Try to play both if you can.
@@ZackSeifMusic i have been looking around for a used one. Is there anyway you can tell what the difference is between the 2x12compact va 2x12 horizontal? Thanks again! Subbed for great content!
Why does the horizontal sound so much better? Is it the age of the speakers? Very different. If it is the age, then I assume the vertical will get better as well.
i totally agree, the sound was much crispy and clear you could definitely hear the full range of sounds in the horizontal versus the vertical is much gainy.
I think to me, the horizontal one sounds like a cheap crappy amplifier you buy from Wal-Mart or some other discount store, and the vertical one sounds a bit more tone and better.
You keep every time the mic directly at front of one speaker, I doubt or you can hear any difference. You should keep the mic at least 1 meter or more from the middle of the cabinets to hear the real difference.
@@ZackSeifMusic right but each speaker can sound fundamentally different. I own a 2x12 v30 mesa both speakers sound completely different. One is much brighter than the other.
Mesa cabs I have owned many are very stiff sounding to me because of how they are built.. I dont like the mesa horizontal cab at all, its bloated as hell and doesn not have good mids.. Thats my opinion when having one, and long sold it.. If you mic them into a mix or live you likely wont tell much difference, im speaking how they sound in a room.
What are the things I like most about speaker cabinets, is that you have so many options in terms of size, construction, wood and materials, the speakers themselves, and microphone options as well as where you place them. You can get drastically different results just by changing one of those components.
*What did you all think!?*
If you want to do an actual accurate comparison to see how the cab's are affecting the tone you would need to use the same to speakers in each cab. Just saying! Part 2? lol
@@jamescassidy4045 agree...also he would need to use a microphone thats back away from the speaker cabinet. he has the speakers close mic'd. which makes this video really just a speaker comparison.
I think the guys shopping ampheads and speaked boxes need to know what it sounds like 6 to 10 ft away with a blastbeat and a bass cab going... one gut sitting in a room by himself with a mic 2inches from a speaker might as well have a stereo10w or a digital pedal. I'm trying to find out what i need for a gent power trio
Holy f**k what a difference. I notice more body and low end from the horizontal. The vertical one sounds much brighter. Is it just me??
It’s a pretty big difference!!
No post processing on the play throughs either.
Love the sound of the mic'd up horizontal 2x12, but being able to hear the vertical 2x12 in the room is key! That's why I've got a vertical Mesa 2x12 as well!
Yes. The mic’d horizontal is THE metal tone I love hearing on records. But in the room it’s very hard to beat the vertical!
So if I take my horizontal recto and stand it up vertically it will sound 90 degrees off?
We only mic one speaker live even if it’s upside down
In the studio anything goes
Cone, off cone
One or two mics for me r121 and sm57 plus 1 room mic I’ve been liking
AKG C 414 XL II lately but the Manley reference are an interesting change up
3 tracks then performance doubled
For 2 more tracks for each guitar
And a DI for reamping
Lots to play with
And all tracked as dry as possible
I could tell a difference, but I think it would have been a more successful comparison if you played the same riff in both cab one after the other without discussion in between, because by the time you got to the 2nd cab after talking during setting up the horizontal cab, I had forgotten what the vertical cab sounded like. If you A/B them, you can hear the contrast much better.
Agree this is a super important video to make! Cabinets make a huge difference and it's hard to do these comparisons for most people.
Glad that you enjoyed the video! There are so many factors to consider, but at the end of the day the cabinet itself and the speakers matter just as much if not more than the actual amplifier that you use. Most high gain amps can sound similar with the proper speaker cabinet, mic placement, and speaker itself.
@@ZackSeifMusic I would love to hear a comparison between a vertical 2x12 and an oversized 4x12 rectifier cab. I have a 2x12 vertical and am always wondering what I'm missing out on without a 4x12.
@@jones786 A good amount of low end and low mids, however those frequencies would always be cut in studio and also live to make room for the bass and kick. It does sound and feel really good on stage so because you have more surface area and more “air” being sent your way because it’s a bigger speaker enclosure pushing sound waves at a higher volume in your direction.
However I do find it rather impractical to have a 412 live these days unless you have a road crew or play venues large enough to justify the space and stage volume. Its nice to have one in a home studio just to get the tone and feel of a 412, but at the end of the day you’re still only mic’ing a single speaker for the most part maybe two. It’s definitely a personal preference thing, I just prefer the form factor and the tone of a 212.
Thanks for the great video! I'd suggest to do an edit at the end in which the A/B was immediate and the same material was played or re-amp'd.
The v30 spike in the high mid frequency is more prominent in the horizontal IMHO. But both sound great! Can't go wrong with Mesa!
Agreed!
Around 2006 Mesa V30's went from 70w to 60w. Also a very gigged cab will sound way different to a new one. i have both 2x12 varraints for almost 20 years and i can almost never tell them apart when they are both miced.
I am glad I got a MB horizontal 2-12" cab..when I went to lift it it was like "Damn" ! It's definitely way heavier than the 2-12" EVH cab I had. The verticle cab weighing about 12-13 lbs heavier would kill my already bad back. the both sound great here in your video.
Thanks for your input and experience! Glad you found the right cab for your setup.
Exactly why I built my own vertical slant 2x12
That’s really cool! What woods did you use?
The wood from mykok
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Great video I definitely preferred the Vertical! Wayyy less saturated. You setup looks so cozy!
Thanks! It’s a great inspiration station for sure.
@@ZackSeifMusic : )
Exactly why I sold my Horizontal and kept my Vertical. However, I miss my OS Straight 4x12 cab.
Always a place in our hearts for 4x12 cabs. But our backs and knees thank us for using 1 and 2 by 12 cabs 😂
@@ZackSeifMusic facts!
@@ZackSeifMusic I figured the issue is less about backs and knees and more about venues frowning on 4x12s especially since silent stage is all the rage these days. There is nothing like a tube head and a raging 4x12 especially when it comes to heavier styles of music. Only 2x12 I have left is a Laboga 2x12 In Camo with Marshall v30s from the old mode 4 cabs. I missed an opportunity to grab a mint set of 2 Mesa horizontal cabs for $450 a piece. Should have jumped on it quicker because the price was too good to be true. Rock on man!
Not wild about the tones BUT the comparison of the two was very well planned and executed. I love all of the details about each cab and the step by step you gave about the recording process. Very well done!
Thank you very much for the feedback!
who asked you???
@@robblackwell6766 Uh, the creator of this video did: "Let me know your thoughts, and enjoy the video!" What are you talking about?
I had assumed this video was going to be about differences in sound dispersion from the two different speaker orientations, but then I saw you are close mic-ing, so it’s really about the differences of the cab size, shape, and construction, and nothing to do with than vertical vs horizontal speaker arrangements.
This is very valid. I made this video before I officially launched the channel and didn't have a room mic or anything. Figured it was still worth the review for recording and live sound for PA/FOH/IEMs😄
I have the vertical 2x12 and 4x12 cabinets but I mostly use the two horizontal 2x12 cabinets and the triple rectifier head. You can play at any venue with two horizontal 2x12 cabinets.
I have a straight 2x12 Harley Benton with the Celestions. I put the footies on the side so I can set it up vertical. A 2x12 cab vertical is far better than horizontal.
Vertical is the way to go!!
how do you feel about these nowadays? I want to get one for home, always wanted a mesa cab. I like the horizontal visually as I mostly play sitting and will place a head and pedals on top of it. But many ppl say vertical is better. Is that really so, sitting next to both of them and playing? thanks in advance and liked the video
Still Vertical cabs all day
@@ZackSeifMusic ordered a vertical one today 🤘 after a lot of research I just found out it’s a better option for my uses, even though I’m normally not a big fan of tall cabinets
I preferred the toke from the horizontal.
That being said it’s the difference o have heard with 4x12 slant cab marshals vs straight marshall cabs.
Slant cabs are always brighter .
I’ve spoken to a few people who believe it’s just that the speaker is slanted towards your hear so that’s why you believe it’s brighter but videos like this one and others prove it’s just the build.
Even if you close mic it will still sound brighter, same goes for differences in front ported cabs and cabs of different designs, even if you close mic, the difference is still there in recording .
I think naturally one would eq to each cab . I enjoy my slant 1960 a. I think the extra top end makes it a lip more dynamic and not flat . I think a straight cab with an open back option can help close the bridge though .
Construction is often overlooked when it comes to cabs. It definitely makes a huge difference.
Is it wrong I like the horizontal better? Because I do!
Both sound fantastic!!!
taking just what you hear in the, "vert in the mix/horz in the mix" portion of this video is exactly why i sent my horz packing this weekend and took home the vert. even though my horz was of 2006 vintage and had the 70w V30s, AND was broken in, it still sounded like nails on chalkboard compared to the vert which to my ears is superlative and a feat in engineering.
it sits next to a 1960A w/the stock T-75s underneath a JVM 210H and absolutely holds it own with a Quilter 101 Reverb and Boss MT-2 while i wait on my Badlander 100 to show up. LOL.
For sure man! Can’t justify having more than you need. Mine was pretty broken in and I found the same results.
That Badlander is gonna sound awesome.
@@ZackSeifMusic two years ago i had four 4x12s and two 2x12s. moved across the country in 2020 and now i'm down to the aforementioned 1960A and new mesa 2x12 vert and couldn't be happier. while i snagged a lot of my cabs back in the '00s from people that needed to pay rent (and got really good deals as a result), i think a lot of that hoarding was just to flex on rig forums. 😁
i can run two rigs (mated to their appropriate cabs) in parallel now and that's all that really matters.
thanks for this review...just going to pic up the vertical slant. companion my mark v35 needed
It’s a fantastic pairing!!!
I prefer the Vertical cabinet. Are the speakers the same in both, example using vintage 30's you may have said it and I may have missed it.
Yes both have the same kind of speakers
@zackseifmusic In the demo, the horizontal cab has more low end versus the vertical cab. Outside of the demo, have you tried to eq the amp to compensate for the loss of low end in the verticle cab? I am curious to hear your thoughts. Thank you!!!
eek! The horizontal one kinda spits blades on crunch and lead. Maybe the bottom end in the vertical 'tames' the top end in the speakers. Great demo, thanks.
Many thanks Ron! Yeah they are definitely different cabinets and sounds.
Hi Zack I liked the lighting in the studio very clear and sharp, voice over was clean and crisp sorry had a chuckle with the background elevator music. I thought I was getting ready for a massage... :) just a quick tip if that's ok if your comparing the sounds possibly run 2 tracks on your recording equipment Track a Vertical cab Track B Horizontal. Record 10 seconds of clean crunch and single note lead. Drop the 2 tracks onto your editing software. Play back the recorded sample you can jump to track A then Track B to compare, with clean repeat process on crunch then repeat on lead single notes.I found it easier to demonstrate and compare the differences in short sound samples back to back rather than stringing them all together then doing the same with the other cab. Yes I did notice the vertical was very tight possibly still needed a few more hours to break in. Thanks for the demo Mesa Boogie is such nice gear very expensive in Australia.
Thank you so much for your reply! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Yes I’m always open to recommendations. Good call on having a DI track run through both sources. I do not have a proper Re-Amp box right now, even though my focusrite could probably achieve that with no issues.
If you check out my video comparing the two notes Captor X to the Mesa Boogie CabClone I do have the same performance going for both demos! Appreciate the input😁
Man what a great video! Both sounds good, but different. Which sounds better for your ears?
Thanks for watching! I'm team Vertical all day, especially live. Much easier to hear yourself.
I switched to vertical 15yrs ago and never looked back for 2 reasons:
1. Like you, I wanted to hear it better and some stages are either shallow or cramped.
2. It just looks so friggin cool. 😜
I wonder if you have any different opinions about comparison since the time you posted?
I have to say that I’ve vastly prefer vertical cabinets because it gives you the spread and positioning that a 412 does but without the extra weight and volume. My thoughts are exactly the same as when I posted this video! I still own my vertical and even ended up buying a vertical FRFR for my Axe Fx set up!
Horizontal without casters 🤘🏼 that's the tone!
I did that for a while and it sounded great!
Very interesting I didn’t think that it would be vastly different but I was wrong! Great video!
Appreciate you checking it out!! I tried to keep everything as close to the same as possible and think the results speak for themselves.
I realize this video is a couple of years old, but I have some constructive criticism:
I would have preferred to hear the clean channel tones back-to-back, then the crunch tones back-to-back, then lead tones back-to-back. That would have made it much easier to discern the differences in tones (rather than clicking back and forth).
Also, the elevator music was unnecessary (or at least a little too loud) and made it more difficult to hear what you're saying.
Other than that, very thorough work. I got the information I was looking for; I preferred the vertical cab.
Hey Nicholas, thanks for taking the time to leave some constructive criticism. All of your points are very valid, and I've utilized these in future videos since then! I shot this in late 2020/early 2021 before I even launched the channel and have def learned a lot since then. Appreciate your feedback, hope you enjoy the channel and subscribe :D
the horizontal sounds a little compressed. the vertical one i believe is physically bigger tho, that makes sense
That is correct!!!
What about vertical versus the Mesa mini stack configuration with the straight and slant 1x12 with the mini rec?
That could be a pretty cool comparison! I’ve owned almost every variation of the Mesa 112 cab and they are pretty cool for the size! I find the smaller ones to be a little boxy sounding due to the construction, but the widebody cabs sound fantastic.
@@ZackSeifMusic Thanks for the reply. I’m looking for a good option for my Mesa mini rec head. Currently playing it through a Marshall 1936a 2x12. Purely for aesthetic reasons I’d like to either get the vert cab or the two 1x12s to go next to my mini silver jubilee and matching 2x12 vert cab
Zack do you think my TC50 woud fit on the vertical cab. Not that good with inches...
Should be fine. The cab measures almost the same as the TC50 (22”). My JP-2C is small on the cab since it’s a rackmount size (19”).
@@ZackSeifMusic wow that was a lightning fast reply. THX dude. Keep up the good playing mate.
Love your VDO. Subscribed:)
Thank you so much!!!
Really interesting! Bigger difference than expected 🤔
It’s pretty drastic!! The cabinet and mic position are the most important factors when it comes to the final product 😁
Is the horizontal cab already broken in ?
Oh yeah that one has had hundred of shows under its belt by the time I made this video.
Which would you personally keep if u had to let one go?
Keep the Vertical
Cool video. Love the horizontal 2x12's. Can I ask what chair that is you have? I'd like flip up arm rests as well!
Hit me up on Instagram and I can get the model this weekend!
@zackseifmusic
Will it make a difference if speakers were front loaded?
Great question! Not too sure myself.
Hey man. Great video. I have a question. Would it be an issue getting a horizontal cabinet but playing it in vertical positioning? Would be great to see, how different the sound would be to an actual vertical cab. Cheers!
This is how I used it for a long time, basically what you get is a very directional sound and projection. You lose some low end as well.
So live it will help you here your guitar better but you do sacrifice your spread and your tone. That’s why the vertical cabinet has different dimensions and the speakers are positioned differently to prevent that from happening.
@@ZackSeifMusic I see! Makes sense. Thanx man! Happy new year!
I use a both into my jp2c and mark 4 at the same time into the 4 ohms it sounds so much better then using one
That’s amazing!! Must sound MASSIVE.
I like your little Pokémon people!
Brings some color and life to the studio!
I think that a quarter inch turn, placement, angle of the microphone can account for 100% of any changes heard.
You are absolutely correct! The smallest millimeter change in position will drastically affect the guitar tone. That's why I still argue that mix placement and the speaker itself matter more than different flavors of High gain amp or different flavors of humbucker guitars. That is the final component in your tone that gets recorded.
I think i prefer the horizontal mesa. I have been looking at prices for a Mesa 2x12 and I'm shocked that it's only like 200 bucks cheaper then a new 4x12. For that price I might as well buy the full os 4x12 rectifier cab. I know they are huge but go big or go home! 🙂
The 4x12 is massive and heavy! I prefer the 2x12 personally but if your lower back and knees are happy with a 4 I say go for it haha.
There are tonal differences as well. The 412 has more lower mids and the 212 has a different midrange to it.
The 2x12s are almost as big as a 4x12
I actually liked the in mix horizontal better. I’m about to grab a Soldano 2x12 vert and will a/b with two different horizontal cabs, same speakers to see. I have played the SLO cab and loved it (bought the SLO 30 sitting on top and figured the VHT 2x12 would sound fine with it), so I’m finally taking the dive. One thing I’ve done more on horizontal cabs that makes the biggest difference is switch speakers. Before you ditch a cab, try pairings of V30 & G12H/T/H Anniversary/Redback/Greenback, etc., be sure to ohm match too. Cool demo; vertical 2x12s are definitely clearer, and only Mesa, Friedman, Soldano, & Bogner retain most of the low end unlike other brands (outside of custom like Mojotone and Zilla Cabs).
For sure!
Alone and in the mix are 2 totally different beasts!
Have been looking around for a mesa 2x12 cab and have come across the 2x12 horizontal and 2x12 compact. What would be the difference and how would i tell them apart in which the compact is like $50 cheaper? Tia!
I’ve owned both!
I like the compact because it’s a little lighter and punchier. The full size will have a little more low end response and sounds better mic’d in my opinion.
Try to play both if you can.
@@ZackSeifMusic i have been looking around for a used one. Is there anyway you can tell what the difference is between the 2x12compact va 2x12 horizontal? Thanks again! Subbed for great content!
@@12Jsilva thank you so much! SOMETIMES the compact has the logo in the top left instead of the middle.
@@12Jsilva and the rear Jack plate should be dead center whereas the horizontal full size is closer to the bottom.
@@ZackSeifMusic thank you so much! Os there any difference in size?
Why does the horizontal sound so much better? Is it the age of the speakers? Very different. If it is the age, then I assume the vertical will get better as well.
Speaker age does matter, as does the dimensions of the cabinet itself. It’s also personal preference at the end of the day as well.
i totally agree, the sound was much crispy and clear you could definitely hear the full range of sounds in the horizontal versus the vertical is much gainy.
3:31 VERTICAL CRUNCH
6:16 HORIZONTAL CRUNCH
Horizontal more brighter, vertical is darker
Crazy how different they can be
Vertical for the win 🏆
Totally agree!!
Vertical for me
I was hopwiny you would have told ne which one to get. 😢
Vertical all day
you gotta go with the vertical........you get a bigger, fuller sound that fills the room way more....................vertical all the way!
It moves more air as well😁
When doing cab demos mic'ing shows more the speakers tone than the cabinets tone.. In the room mics are a better choice.
Appreciate the feedback! I should look into a room mic. When I made this video all I had was the 57 and my voice over mic!
@@ZackSeifMusic I understand,,,, thx
I think to me, the horizontal one sounds like a cheap crappy amplifier you buy from Wal-Mart or some other discount store, and the vertical one sounds a bit more tone and better.
It's crazy how different they sound!
The horizontal sounds better.
It worked well for me for years!
You keep every time the mic directly at front of one speaker, I doubt or you can hear any difference. You should keep the mic at least 1 meter or more from the middle of the cabinets to hear the real difference.
Vertical sounds much more balanced and smoother … horizontal sounds like a fizzy and ear piercing can of bees
Crazy how big of a difference it can make.
Different speakers though, it's going to sound different regardless
Both Rectifier 212 cabinets have celestion vintage 30s from the same place.
@@ZackSeifMusic right but each speaker can sound fundamentally different. I own a 2x12 v30 mesa both speakers sound completely different. One is much brighter than the other.
@@borges3099 For sure! This is just comparing two stock speaker cabinets as you would in a store or studio.
@@ZackSeifMusic gotcha
Do some dead lifts down the gym and just buy a 4x12 then you have both 😂
This is valid 😂
horizontal sounded way better
That's why it's great to have options!
I agree. I think the horizontal sounded better
Mesa cabs I have owned many are very stiff sounding to me because of how they are built..
I dont like the mesa horizontal cab at all, its bloated as hell and doesn not have good mids.. Thats my opinion when having one, and long sold it.. If you mic them into a mix or live you likely wont tell much difference, im speaking how they sound in a room.
What are the things I like most about speaker cabinets, is that you have so many options in terms of size, construction, wood and materials, the speakers themselves, and microphone options as well as where you place them. You can get drastically different results just by changing one of those components.
@@ZackSeifMusic Absolutley