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I do love my DS9 but the XC is flatter with less recoil.

I love both but the Apache is flatter and when i am practicing the double taps with speed are def tighter than the DS9. I would like to try a DS9 with barrel porting.

@@bluepstu9009 One thing I've learned and that is Physics varies among humans..! 😎

My ds9 is ported, and it's a dream to shoot!

Gotcha. Don't think you can go wrong with any or the three.

I will def try that. Thanks for the feedback. That is what I need to hear.

Your 100% correct 👍

Nitro fin by shooting sports innovations.

Maybe when I first got it but not now. :)

No sir

The slide has ports but the barrel doesn't.

Don't know. Belongs to a friend. To each his own.

It really is very simple. I have put some loctite on various parts so i don't want to break it down again. However, here is a link to a video of both on another 2011 that I used in the past. Hope this helps. ruclips.net/video/J4Y0I-phMY4/видео.html

@@bluepstu9009 Thanks

@@bluepstu9009 One more question pls., how do I remove or uninstall the magwell? I'm not sure if it's a screw or a pin.

@@BingV-vj1nc Not a problem. You push the pin in from the left side to the right. Use a punch tool or something. Let me know if you need anything else.

@@bluepstu9009Thank you very much.. I'm going to try to install the overtravel screw. It came without one

Just a heads up that if you contact Watchtower , they will replace and give you a new grip. In regards to the spent casing, I guarantee it is the extractor. This is an easy fix that you can take care of.

@@bluepstu9009 How?

@@rockie071 If you are talking the extractor, it just has to be removed and bent a little. Depending on if it is too tight or too loose depends on which way you need to bend it. Here is a link for how Atlas gunworks. They have a few videos on it. ruclips.net/video/COv5BtKxQMI/видео.html

No sir. Not at all. (I am assuming you are asking about the MPA. There is some on the XC.)

I just use an inner/outer belt system from shooting sports innovations. I use the double alpha x holster system with an insert for a 2011/Staccato firearm. Good luck to you. Don't hesitate to reach out if you have any more questions.

@@bluepstu9009 appreciate it!.

The DS 9 is a great gun for the money. I haven't really had any more issues and I hear that the newer ones are being made even better than the earlier ones. All ammo has worked, even the reloads. I def don't regret the purchase. However, I just got the Watchtower Apache and if it stays reliable, I think it may be my favorite gun yet. Will being doing a review and comparison video on it as well.

I definitely enjoy them both!

Ha. I got people guessing all the time. Shortened version of "BLUE PAST YOU."

@@bluepstu9009 Love it! Mine gets read different ways, and those who don’t know what a ZR1 is don’t get it until I explain it. 💪🇺🇸

@@doughooks7411 Yeah man. You got a good one!

No issues whatsoever. Even on day 1 with the stock spring, it fed my reloads which are not quite as hot as factory ammo. That is pretty impressive. If you are adding a comp to it, you def may want to go with a lighter spring if trying reloads, but you should be fine with factory ammo no matter what spring. Good luck!

@bluepstu9009 Thanks for your input man. My goal is to modify it so it feels like I'm shooting a .22. Hopefully after breaking it in, I can get the trigger pull weight at sub 2 pounds like yours. I also plan to pin the grip safety down. Originally, my eyes were fixed on the Watchtower Apache @ $4,198 or the Atlas Gunworks Nyx RDS v2 @ $5,700.....but I just can't justify spending a couple mortgage payments on a handgun. LOL.

@@earlautry7999 Ha. You are def welcome. Don't hesitate to reach out should you have any questions. I actually have a watchtower apache on order. Just waiting for it to be built. However, with some of the issues that people are complaining about, I am fine with getting it later than sooner. I want to make sure all the kinks are ironed out. Will probably do a video on it after I get it.

It is Titanium and Armor Black.

I usually zero everything in between 12-15 yards. The farthest distance we can shoot at that location is 73 yards and I still hit a 6 inch plate by keeping the dot right on the plate. I have found that you are not having to change your point of aim at that distance.

​@@bluepstu9009thank you

You are correct. It is a lot of value. With what I have experienced and read about this company, I don't think you will need to worry about sacrificing quality. When I originally ordered mine, I was told the 12-16 week wait but ended up getting mine a couple of weeks early. Probably due to the fact that mine was pretty "plain" and didn't have a bunch of "wild" color combos. I think you will be pleased.

Awesome! You are going to love it. Great gun!

@bluepstu9009 is there a way I can message you? I had a couple questions.

​​@@bluepstu9009 can I message you someway? I would like to ask you a few questions.

Man, I got my DS9 yesterday and wow! You hear people say it's like butter or on ball bearings, but damn, this thing really feels like it's on bearings!

@@tippit1 Yeah, that and the trigger are great!

Awesome! Thanks. I do appreciate it. I don't think you will regret it!

​@bluepstu9009 my DS9 will be here tomorrow! It's only been seven weeks since I ordered, I thought that was supper fast!

@@tippit1 Nice. Let me know what you think!

Gotcha. Thanks for the info!

Thank you! Hard decision as the price point is so different. You can almost get 2 of the Platypus. I am fortunate enough to already have a couple of the higher tier 2011 firearms so this was a no brainer for me. I just wanted a 2011 style gun that is not going to have some of the finicky problems that you see with the higher end 2011's. We all know that many of the problems with 2011 guns are the magazines but you are not going to have those same issues with the Plat. No matter what, you are not going to make a bad choice.

Thank you so much !!

I do have a strong grip and most of my shooting friends tell me that any gun I shoot looks like it barely moves. (Although it looks like it is all over the place to me.) I did two things that definitely cut down on the feel of recoil although it may still be moving the same. You can go from a 13lb factory recoil spring to a 10lb. I also added a nitro fin thumbrest/slide stop as I do with all of my 2011 style guns. Hope this helps!

@@bluepstu9009that slide stop was compatible?

@@seanmtak7573 You will have to modify. Check out my video that says Platypus modifications and holster. I explain what to do.

@@bluepstu9009 thank you! I would want to get a one piece guide rod also.

Hey Jerry. In regards to the finish, I can't tell the gun has been shot. I am around 900 rounds right now. I would love to get my hands on the new grip. I am fine with the lightness of the comp trigger as it is actually a little higher than my other guns. I can't speak for others, but my comp trigger is not consistently at about 1 3/4lbs. Hope this helps.

I ordered the 3.0-3.5lb trigger on mine and it breaks at 2lb 12oz.

Awesome! Glad to help. I wanted to try to put out a helpful video that was different than most reviews out there. Don't hesitate to reach out if you have any more questions.Thank you.

Ha. Both great guns that are above their price point. I do admire both.However, I have had some minor issues with both of my MPA's. No issues with the Plat yet. :)

@@bluepstu9009 thats good to hear an. mine just got the slide finished. got probably another 20 weeks

To be honest, I am fine with either but it is not much more to get the bull. I am more interested in the new grips. That is making me want to get another. :)

It is one of the preset colors you can choose. It is Titanium.

This comme t may be too late, but Stealth suggested I order color swatches from Cerakote. Which I did. 10 swatches free , just pay shipping. Which for me was $11. I gave me a more realistic expectation of color combos.

Thanks! Awesome. Of course, the XC is a great gun but the Platypus is just a fun one to shoot. I do love a DS 1911 /2011 but you just don't have the typical issues with the Plat like you do with the 1911/2011. It is mostly because of the reliable magazines.

Thanks! I heard that it has been done. I think it is a little harder then normal because of the material but I may be wrong. There is a facebook group called the Platypus Lounge. A lot of people chime in there. Check it out!

Oh man. Decisions. Decisions. You can't go wrong with either. I bought the Plat to replace my XR920 for indoor competitions because I prefer the 1911 style trigger over all others. (However, most of my carry guns are not 1911 style guns.) My XR920 is now in my carry rotation. The Platypus has really been put to the side as my local range stopped their indoor matches. The Plat would be in the carry rotation had I not put a Nitro Fin thumb rest on it. No matter what decision you make, I don't believe you are going to regret it. There just is no bad decision between the two.

I’ve never been happy with my shadow systems, it’s just me, not talking bad. The platypus is nice! I just picked it up, only about 300 rounds through it. My staccato is just, awe-some!!!!!!!! In my opinion. I have the C2 limited with comp, XC, and the CS. I’m not a fan boy. But it like cheating. I still carry my Glock.

Definitely. Still has good fitment.

Awesome! I went to a local shop that had a prodigy that was extremely well fit. I took the slide stop out and it was super loose. The barrel lug was locked with the slide stop. No bueno. Good to know the Platypus doesn’t have that issue

I have. I owned the SAS Ultralight II. Trigger was probably a little better/lighter than the Platypus but I got rid of it. (I had too many issues with it.) Personally, I would go with the Platypus because of the magazines, fitment, and reliability.

Thanks so much for the subscription and the info about the trigger gauge! Def going to try it that way. As you are looking into the DS9, don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions. Thanks again!

I have never been a fan of v4. I always have the car in Z mode so it will not switch over to v4.

@@bluepstu9009would you say this exhaust is very loud? That’s what I’m loookinf for but videos don’t do justice

@@Brewdawg235 I would not say obnoxious loud. It is very loud on start up and loud when you get on it. The loudest I have heard in person is the AWE Track.

Thank you!

They are both great in their own way. For the money, still hard to find a better gun than the Plat.

Thank you sir!

Sorry. I don't.

Yes sir. I really like that the grips can be smaller/narrower than the traditional 2011/ 1911 double stack.

@bluepstu9009 yup that's one of the major selling points imo along with the ol reliability of a glock mag. The new staccato c will be the new standard imo, as it's actually based around the 9mm.

It really depends on your purpose for the gun. The XC is probably the flattest/softest gun that I have ever shot and this is counting guns that would be considered a higher "tier" than the XC. You just need to consider if the XC is worth paying 2 1/2 times more as the Platypus is a great deal for the money. Good luck!

There is no comparison. The XC is better. But, the platy is better then Glock, or shadow system. In my opinion. But I carry my C2 w/ comp.

Did you get a commander size or government? It shot much flatter/softer when I put a thumbrest on it and dropped the recoil spring down to a 10lb spring.

Thanks. Probably not the best set up. It is just a Go Pro Hero 11 Black. I have just been putting it on a hat but may try a chest rig.