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I'm yet to finish the video, so I'm not sure if you touch on it, but: now that we're (kinda? maybe? everyone seems to have their own opinion about this) entering the 5th gen, I'm just waiting for people to suddenly turn and love 4th gen. I became a fan of kpop in 2018 and I've been mostly into 4th gen groups since then, and it's been...well. Sometimes you can't just go "oh I think 4th gen is neat" without someone whining in your ear how we had it so much better back then.

18:22 We could add even more examples to the list, such as Jongseob (P1Harmony, rap) Theo and Keeho (P1Harmony, vocal), the entirety of Nmixx for the vocalists part and my favorite example, Jooyeon and Jungsu, the main vocalists of Xdinary Heroes (I know that they are band, but they are 4th gen, so it counts, imo) We can also talk about StayC, Purple Kiss, Billlie...etc, you get my point. As you said, if you look for something, you'll end up finding it and there's plenty of talent to spare in 4th gen artists

Yayyyy you're Back😁

i honestly love how "crass" western celebrities are, it makes them feel like real people and not manufactured bots 😅

You’ve reached full enlightenment with this one. So many good points. ❤

Hearing crown first... come on taste 👑

even if idols are indeed genuinely good ppl, id be sketched out to date one of them though due to not wanting them or myself having to face backlash from knetz or their hard core immature fans. it must be quite lonesome at times cause they cant be open about much towards their fans yet at the same time they have to act single and available for them and do all sorts only for ppl to give them much hate. even if i dont always like the songs they release i dont particularly hate them as a person. but it seems a lot of folk especially knetz cant separate an idols image from the idols personal life

the internet gives ppl too much free space to treat idols as they would please. its not even about songs lets be honest, at this point its about ppls desires to control and own idols. if u think back to the first time the internet came about and how it had more of a purpose for good but now it feels like its only got worse and worse as its so ingrained in all our needs that even idols face much backlash for basically often doing nothing wrong.

I've been a Kpop fan since about 2020. I am from the US. So I think it is easier for me, coming from the West where our celebrities frequently show themselves to be human, to accept the humanity of idols. In America, there is a saying that basically says never meet your heroes because they will disappoint you. I know what idols do is sell a fantasy and I enjoy that fantasy from time to time, but I know it's a fantasy. Some people seem to not know that or they get a little too invested in the fantasy so when it breaks, they flip out. Maybe this is because of their age or maturity level. Maybe the realization that idols are people too, comes with maturity. I really do believe the situation can change. As long as we have people speaking up about the problem you'll have some folks who will hear and listen. So, to that end, we have to keep saying it and mean it every time we do.

The fact some female idols got hate for having body hair💀💀

Dang. You read us for filth 😭 I say us because I too something look at idols as “products” and forget they are actual people who exist somewhere on planet earth, alive and going through the human experience just like me They have good days, bad days. People they like, people they don’t like, people they hate, people they’re in love with, people they’re in lust with, they have friends, ennemies, rivals, horrible bosses, horrible co-workers (can be bandmates but also stylists, makeup artists, etc) It’s hard sometimes to remember because, the context in which we see them is always hyper curated and it’s easy to forget that these aren’t Androids pretending to be humans but actual humans 😢

As a kpop fan from 2016 the most mature fanbases when comes to mistakes are monbebe and atinys (yes i know there are some very toxic atinys i apologize on the behalf of the Fandom) but when comes to monbebe i have to mention that at some point in 2020/2019(?) Shownu had a one stand (affair?) with a married woman that didn’t tell him she was married and the fans now look back at it and laugh

Thanks a lot for the video ! We need to talk about this subject so much... T-T

K-pop appears to be a magnet for people struggling with mental health. Add in money and it’s a terrible mix.

Oh I've even seen idols being hated on for crying

I think some idol groups will be humans to us, but I will think groups like We;Na needing to have a “human” part of there concept shows that the standard idol isn’t going to be a human to most kpop fans

11:58 mine too❤

Girl I know this might be a bit off topic but I just saw something on Twitter that disturbed me so bad I couldn’t believe it. I know we’ve discussed the oversexualization of kpop idols but it’s just so insanely normalized. The post says and I quote “you know soobin has some good sex appeal when he barely shows skin but is able to cause such a crazy impact nonetheless with picture like these” I mean you can’t make this stuff up. It just pisses me off how normalized this is. Like can we please talk about him like he’s a human being. There are more respectful ways to compliment a person. And I bet you they wouldn’t have the courage to say that to face, that’s how you know it’s wrong.

All of mine made it

14:13 that opinion made me giggle :D Calling Sakura a person with a strong work ethic is very very delulu :D

12:08 There’s my comment!! So glad it made it into the video :)

goshhh so many bts haters! it is ridiculous 🤣 + hybe haters as well , I mean everyone agrees that hybe is not THE BEST company but none of them are . everyone wants money , they're businessmen and that is it 🙂 and If my music taste is fine then clearly they make such good music wth! svt,txt,bts,enha,nj,fromis9 their music is good what are people talking about?