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The 4th zone is also the low point for me, we just found a cool new thing and then the story just turned back to 0 for some reason

Hope they fix everything ....

I think the first trial is absolutely AMAZING! As soon as I beat it with like 3 wipes, I immediately qued in 4 more times! And I still havent got to the second one yet lol. This expansion is Wild! And im not just talking bout the Wild West zone!!! 🤠

I think the point of the fourth zone was ultimately the duel. That sometimes, you can't talk things out, and the only way to resolve something is brute force (and this is called back by the wol before the final fight where we have the option to say "then let's resolve this" before we kick ass) But just bc I see what they were trying to do thematically doesn't mean I think they did it well. For example. Wuq Lamat wasn't even there for that - so it had no bearing on her decision to fight her brother or Sphene. I think they should have dug further into the morality of that. Like. When is it okay to use force? How can you be sure you're right? I think it would have benefited from another duel where a character in the wrong wins to show the danger of that kind of method. Either way they could have done a waaay better job tying it into the bigger themes.

Been playing since Heavensward, I LOVE FFXIV as much as anyone else. Where every expansion had me watching all cut scenes, in literal tears with Stormblood and Endwalker, I found myself skipping scenes with no regret in Dawntrail. Just because we go to a "new" area doesn't mean we have bring on the basic bus stop fetch questing. It's truly exhausting and by now, the WOL who has literally saved the universe, should be tasked with a lot more relevant tasks than filler content. Wut Lamat is a character I was forced to be aware of through the story, and for the scenes I did stick around to watch, I eye rolled a lot. Bottom line, we are many expansions into FFXIV, and the development team needs to change the quest designs, they are too simplistic for a character that irl would say no, I won't help with that.

Wuk Lamat became a flawless character never to be questioned for her decisions. She gained everything we have achieved over multiple expansions. We also had extremely very little battle content and im not just talking about dungeons.

I would've loved the train sequence to be a turret section. Hell, even if it was part of the level 96 dungeon, that would've been cooler than what we got. That being said, it was a cool scene to watch.

I love Dawntrail, but I wish the vocal minority would not drown out the voices of the positive feedback!

Ignore all the debbie downers in the comments, enjoy the expansion!!

"A lot lower" he says as the stakes are star wide genocide by a technologically superior culture who don't blink at slaughtering people to rip their souls for selfish reasons. I wanted a vacation arc where they set up stories for later while getting to know the new npcs and maybe future villians. Instead I get shadowbringers lite and another villain of the week I care nothing about.

Why have better MSQ when you can be lazy and do the same old fetch and people will put up with it.

i simply had higher expectations for the story based on previous content, im totally disappointed wuk lamat is way too much of a lame, one dimensional character to take the spotlight for almost the entire MSQ idk if they could make her a more generic "power of friendship, i want everyone to be happy" character if they tried, its legit the only thing she talks about over and over and over she is the only character in the history of the game i hope vanishes and never appears again after shaaloani contributed nothing to the story, we had 2 zones to build the entire story of alexandria and wrap it up this expansion felt like doing beast tribe quests, then other random sidequests, then going to ishgard on lvl 57 and telling the entire heavensward story in the last 2 zones because the last 2 zones were the only remotely interesting parts of the story, you could skip the entire rite of succession story and miss nothing i wish they decided to completely cut wuk lamat and the rite of succession story, made us find the golden city earlier and focus more on alexandria

I have loved the story and think Wok lamat is a great character don’t really get the hate aside from some bigots hating the actor

I am just hoping now we have the world building out the way the patches will be more exciting

I really wanted to resub to play this expansion. But the thought of having to slog through some BS story is just not selling me

I think I know what vocal song you speak of when it starts playing at a specific part of the story...it felt like one of my wifes corny reality tv shows whenever something dramatic happened *cue the song!*. That felt very cringey. Wuk Lamat is okay, but she did overstay her welcome at certain parts...and at times. I felt like the Scions were there only to be trusts, nothing more. But I will say this...good god they are way in love too much with walking escort quests....they are repetitive and soul draining.

For me i don't care about Wuk or Erenville. They're both 3rd rate characters to me and the last zone i was skipping cutscenes because i just could care less about anything happening.

story is boring af

The lack of voice acting is a BIG complaint for the game, many scenes would have benefitted from voiced delivery.

I wholeheartedly disagree that the solo duties of this expansion were better than EW. Many felt contrived or that you were waiting for the planned moment to rescue you. (Looks at the Solution Nine duty with annoyance.) The Thancred Stealth operation and the Body-Swap duties still stand out as pillars of great solo duties.

SPOILERS 1.she didnt grow as a character.. at all. she was all about peace and happines but even when faced with the notion that alexandria and sphene literaly did not want that at all and only cared for her people and where going to KILL everyone on the source, STILL she didnt get that, maybe, just maybe peace is just not an option when meet with such an enemy. she still wanted peace and sphen STILL UNTIL THE VERY END she didnt want to have peace... like.. hello? 2. we never where the main character. ever. 3. they robbed krilles story and erenvilles. wuk lmat should have been less in the story, we should have gone to the new world with krille and erenville an dwuk lamat should have stay in the new world.

4:48 the problem with this is that this DLC is supposed to not JUST WL journey, It SHOULD be our journey too! We dont have to be the main character, we are not the main character in HW and StB are we? It was Alphinaud+Estinien in HW and Lyse in StB, and yet I enjoyed those because WE'RE STILL PART OF THE STORY. In HW and StB our WoLs grow alongside the Main Protag of that expansion. All I want is for me to feel like my WoL is part of the story. In DT you can feel that the story could move on without you. You are not even the fifth important character in the story, you are a literal extra. You are a fly on the wall. Its literally the "Just Standing There Menacingly" DLC. I want to be a part of the story. The reason I loved FFXIV from HW to EW is because its not just our friend's journey its also our journey, with character growth both for our old friends and new friends along the way. This is not it, your are literally pushed to the side so much you might aswell be a shitstain on the wall. Not important but you make everyone uncomfortable enough by the virtue of your existence.

Wuk Lamat sucks, most of the story sucks, there's very few moments for characters to properly shine or develop and worst of all, they made her the ultimate sin of a mary sue at the end. She went from needing out help to beat up the memories of lizards, and alive lizards (She isn't a worthy leader.) To holding off god by herself. With no power ups. They looked at Lyse, saw everyone with a brain hate her and that AWFUL rewrite and erasure of Yda with zero fixes for the dialogue in Stormblood, and went "Yeah, let's do that again." But worse. Vacation expansion, btw. Vacation of braincells in the dev team maybe.

I dis agree with you, but I like your video. People like what they like. I wouldn't like a one size fits all world. I loved the dungeons. I loved Wuk Lamat's journey and discovering that she didn't know didley about Tural as she supposed. It was a big thing for her to admit that, and then it drove her one to learn more about her home. I agree one hundred about the Fates. I'm loving leveling up my alt jobs that way. it's fun.

This is the second time we have been a somewhat of a mentor. First, was Lyse. Not its Wok Lmao. This side of writing was god fucking awful. Sadly to say the writer was bad in all aspects nothing in DT except one moment way late when someone meets 2 important people was actually good in this expansion for the writing. As a writer myself. This expansion was JUST above High School level writing. But BARELY. It was a disaster, and something that that writer should be put on side quests only. Or no longer writing for FF14 and put somewhere else or let go if thats what it takes. DT is simply the worst execution expansion, and idea so far in the game. Hate to say it, but we should and are forever the main character. And sorry to say but, it shows they fail to be able to deliver; Combat fun, Story fun, AND exploration fun unless we are the main character completely. ESPECIALLY the SHITTIEST cutscene in the game in the final trial.

I made it to Solution 9, got my new motorcycle and burned Disneyland (that was a huge waste of a really gorgious zone IMO). I Stopped after the first boss of the last dungeon. There just wasn't any motivation for any more of that level of irritation for me. This expansion will break a lot of casual players. While some will be all for it, they are the people who pay the bills. They won't post a RUclips video. They won't post in the forums. They'll just cancel and leave.

I keep seeing this idea of a mentor role being thrown around and it sounds terrible. The best parts of this game are all focused on your character and who they are. I want more of that not this baffling mentor idea, but if they did do it they need a far stronger mentee than Wuk

Dawntrail story is trash. Gameplay is a pretty big upgrade. Considering the nature of FF14, that is a net loss. Wuk Lamat's poor VA work coupled with horrible writing is pretty unforgivable as well.

I hate solo instances; I want to play with my friends. Screw balancing of them, I just want to be with my friends.

The story is lame till about level 96! After 96 the story is 10/10!!!!!😊 but endwalker patches were terrible!!!!!! These patches will be 10/10! Most of the good content will be in patches! But I disagree with zone 4 being useless! I loved zone 4! But totally agreed with more voiced cutscenes! The game should be fully voiced! No excuse in 2024 that the game should not be fully voiced! Look at Elder Scrolls Online! Every cutscene and sidequest is voiced.

Im glad people are saying what i was thinking. Im halfway through the story, and I'm like, where is the villain or plot twist. I honestly thought this expansion was going to be about swash buckling pirates and gods.

2 solo instances I wish this expansion had: WoL vs Urianger & Thancred WoL (loosing) vs the First Promise

There is one HUGE no-no sin that was commited in DT. Golden rule "Show, don't tell" was brutally ravaged amd sent on a long journey. Many interesting and important situations were "told" to us. Instead of shown. At least show echo being used, visual hints, nods/winks. Nope X just happened, deal with it. (Oh and explanation of how and why we leaving to forums/patches/next expansion)

The main problem with the pacing at Shaaloani is expectation. You, the player, expect the story to continue since you're still not at level 100. That mean the story has to go on right? But your WoL has no idea. You're here to help WL become Dawnservant and that's it. Your business here is done. It's now adventuring time. Think of Shaaloani as a fresh new adventure in Tural after your main business is done and it will make a lot more sense.

For me, zone 4 was the last high point before the game started a steady decline in quality

1. I think you are mistaking Wuk's personality vs her growth as a leader. 2. I do agree the Scion's are put in the sidelines this time since its not their story as pre established. The Scions are more spectators and mentors this time around so its up to preference if you like that. Their restraint is also a sign of growth from past expansions, they only step in when they need to. 3. the first 2 zones are always the build up lore areas since HW its always meant to be slow, I think people find it boring this time since its lower stakes in those zones. 4th zone I can see why people would see it as filler, since DT is structured similar to SB being a 2 part story, they used the 4th zone similarly to Kugane. 4. I do agree the MSQ this time has less "gimmick" and instance quests. But, I think they probably chose to put more of their resources in the post patch content since they did say DT will have the most MMO battle content. 5. I also agree with the VA, but I think its another resource issue based from what they said in the past. 6. It might felt rehashed due to having parallels with Endwalker's introspective themes. But, I think the main theme of the expansion that ties it all together is its about "passing the torch" to the next generation and honoring the legacies of the past to make way for the future/dawn.

having the scions there instead of introducing new character to accompany them felt like it was for one reason and one reason only..........the duty support. I'm no expert on character creations or such but i do imagine having to create new characters to replace existing ones not only for the story but to be the roles a player would sellect to do the dungeons with sounds like a ton of effort that they just didnt want to bother with

I'm level 95, so I should be about halfway through the story content, and I am bored out of my skull. I get that you can't expect a new beginning of the story to have the same resonance as the final 2 acts of the previous one, but man... does DT's story so far feel... lame. With how low the stakes of the story here are, it really makes it painfully clear how old this game feels. Everything here is formulaic, the msq never had much gameplay, but it always had a story that made you want to push forward, turns the next page, see what happens next. I just cannot bring myself to care about any of it. Why do we still have these annoying follow quests? It was the single gameplay "innovation" of last expansion's msq, was almost universally hated for killing the pace when you'd inevitably fail it the first time and had to redo 10 minutes of the most mind numbingly mundane "gameplay" ever conceived and they literally copypasted it into this expansion as well. Why? It reeks of utter creative bankruptcy. I do not care for Wuk Lamat. She bumbles her way through these trials, even when she's in mortal danger they try and fail to be funny about it. All of the grit that made the story of the past decade plus compelling has been swept aside for us to play second fiddle to this Jar Jar clone. When those 3 giants pop up in the mountain zone that want to kill her, literally all it takes for them to turn is for her to block some giant bird's fart attack and be like "Woopsie! I saved you! Teehee~" And GOD IT'S SO FUCKING LAME KAJSDCNDkjIASDNBf Remember Fordola? Remember Lady Iceheart? Used to be that enemies turned allies required... you know... turning? By us? The players? All of the peoples inhabiting these new areas look exactly the same. All of those birdfolk share one model and texture. All of the moblins too, and all of giants bar their leader. I believe all but those giants are reused models as well. Would it really have put too much strain on the art team to change the colours of some textures around? I feel like most of the music is incredibly out of place. This visual gem of a new capitol city, with an alien culture has this lame smooth jazz track as the background. It feels so incredibly off to have music that sounds like it would fit in nighttime Golden Saucer be the audio backdrop to this amazing looking city. Man, I hate it so far xD I don't think I've ever been as deflated about a game before. The Dungeons are great, I bet all the Trial and raid encounters will be too, all of them have been so far. But saying that, so was the story up till here. I really hope they don't mess this up as well, cause so far, this expansion is SO INCREDIBLY far down the tier list of expansions... Best to worst: ShB, EW, HW, SB, ARR, followed by an astronomical gulf before we get to DT. It is freaking AWFUL.

if only you can give location to the blu gears that you were buying at4:50

One top what most everyone else has said, one thing that really broke my immersion is that Wuk Lamat's voice actor seemed to have trouble emoting any time she had to yell with emotion. She's fine in normal conversation and even good in some sad moments, but every time she had to yell, it just comes out flat. Might be an issue with the voice direction, but either way, it actually took away hype towards the end of the MSQ for me. I don't think I've ever experienced this in previous expansions from one of the main cast.

Cant disagree. I think the content i really like as far as trials and dungeons and stuff and im excited to see the upcoming stuff in that way. But story... i wasnt so much about this time. Good, but not stb-ew

You can be the main character of your story without being the main character of the world's story. The core issue (besides WL) is the story is not told from our perspective. It's told from WL's. Our story, *as the mentor*, is not told.

Don't want to lecture or monologue at length; lots of folks were caught off-guard by the delivery of the expansion's story and MSQ, but I would like to mention a thing or two (and please take it all with a grain of salt): It could have done a LOT worse for a vacation story where we were already taking the side-seat for someone else's saga and learning journey. It was a touch idealistic, but I had to remind myself that THIS Tural had already had its band of brave adventurers that brought forth the calm that we are now relaxing to. The story of Tural wasn't about us in terms of the Succession Rite; the story for our heroes and our WoL begins as soon as we begin the next adventure, and while this was more like a history lesson it was still an adventure and not all adventures are fraught with life-ending threats. I expect things will pick up moving forward, but we need to temper our expectations to that of an adventurer and enjoy the time we have been afforded with the departing of the Endsinger. There's still much to be uncovered and Tural was just a stepping stone for us, and while it hasn't been terribly exciting thus far, the game could do far worse like some of its counterparts (i.e. WoW, GW2, etc.) in terms of story, development, and things to do. This is all coming from someone whose father read Tolkien and C.S Lewis novels to her when she was a child, so my temperance may be a touch abnormal in comparison to many gamers, but I wanted to pitch in my thoughts on it. It wasn't an exciting expansion so far, but I appreciated its facets and flaws as a collective sum of a story simply being told and having us take the backseat for once. In retrospect I'm glad we're more casual in this MSQ because I wouldn't want to go leaping into the abyss without ALL of my friends there with me (no offense, Wuk, but I will NOT be taking that position as your personal chef. I'll just visit!).

Wuk Lamat was fine in the first half. However, she overstayed her welcome. They should not have sent her to xak tural, that part of the story should have been for fleshing out Krile and Erenvile's stories. I feel like the writers (new leads? idk) didn't flesh things out and then were like "Oh btw, you should feel emotional here, even though we didn't build anything up". Like, they write Bakool Ja Ja as a cartoon villain, then after 1 or 2 random lines that are easy to miss they're suddenly like "actually he's just misunderstood"

It super strange to me, I have complains about the story, but I hear totally out of space arguments here, and I am not sure where they came from. 1. I read every dialog, not only the voiced and nope, Wamat is progressing consistent, I am not sure what exactly made you say she is going back in none voiced cinematics. But it was not fun at all, not the pacing itself, the entire thing. "This will be world building expansion" is not a valid argument as I don't remember 2 expansions in the same zone, every expansion is world building in their first part. However, we go from entering a nation in the middle of a war with dragons, light turning population into monsters, the two children that were so scared from you, that they ran into a monster and got killed to Pelupelu trading lesson... World building just got pushed back to ARR level. 2. People don't like Wuk Lamat (at least from my expirience) mostly because she is too repeatable character in the way SE used her. She have sea sick and they will grind the shit out of it. She is afraid of alpacacha (or whataver the Llama was named) and they grinded the shit out of it. She want to keep the piece, and they grind the shit out of it, of course. It is ok to add some comedy elements, but it felt like they are just grinding it, to add extra hours in a story they just don't have enough of by repeating the same stuff over and over. 3. Quest design is fine, nobody likes to kill that and that in MMO as battles in MMOs are not extremely fun when you are solo, however in this expansion they had an issue with the pacing. In all expansions you need to hear what everyone go to do once in a while as a reason why the WoL is alone to do their part. However, as in this expansion the entire group is following Wuk Lamat, you have countless dialogs just to excuse why other party members are not with you, I was reading 20 minutes about who is going to gather what for a dish ffs. This is exactly why so many people got crazy about the pacing, normally as a design choice you want to lower the amount of "trash" content as this one, but in this case, they just had it all the way. Now, for the second part, I am not a fan of ancient high tech empire, I never liked this part of the story, as I was not a huge fan of the empire at all, I think that was the weakest link in the original story, so this is personal, but I didn't get any "omg, how cool is that" at the second part.

For my experience the MSQ story was great especially for the start of a brand new adventure, it just had a REALLY slow start but I really enjoyed it especially the new zones as well as trials and dungeons! But I'm also not picky at all when it comes to games.

Personally loved the story and wuk Lamat although admittedly no offense to the English Va but I heard it and yee.. ngl I’m glad I always played the game in either French or Japanese bc from various sources those two are by far the best, for those who complain we are not the main character this time, well on this it’s definitely just subjective personally I always hated being a hero and my favorite storylines were those when we literally are just an adventurer, like the shadow of Mach storyline or rabanastre one, I guess I’m on the minority with the fact that the 4th zone story was one of my fav ever specifically because there was no stakes no purpose but just vibing exploring and helping people along the way which is literally what Azem is supposed to do I was actually really pissed when the stakes got high again all of a sudden and ruined my vacation but still ofc loved the second part and in terms of gameplay ye this is definitely going to be the best expansion imo we’ll see for real with savage raids and more down the line but in terms of base content it’s already one of my favs

On day 3 of early access I completed the msq. I will say there are points in this video I agree with such as it being a world building expansion and people needing to adjust expectations for that. However like 90% of this video I heavily disagree with. Just because that expansion was a world building one doesn't mean it needed to be this terrible of a story or way of telling you its world. I don't need a hour long fetch quest to understand that the traders like to trade. Also the amount of plot holes or straight up plot armor because reasons is insane this expansion. Almost comically so. Let's not forget the writers activity made characters with us more stupid in order for Wak to shine. Alphi and Ali two people who are almost Archon level couldn't figure out what Than or Uri told Kona to do in one of the rites. As for the gameplay design adding instance fights will never happen. We already had these back in STB and because there was two of them so close to one another it flat out almost crushed the front in of the expansion for days. They told us years ago instance fights use the same system as the dungeons. Putting to many in the msq would cripple the system at the launch of an expansion. This is an issue of the code of the game. As for the difficulty being accepted that is entirely depends on the echo chamber you live in. Even as a raider myself. Many of my own friends who only play msq and casual content have straight up quit the game before finishing even the second or first dungeons. Almost all of there reasons being they didn't ask sqaure to kick up the difficulty of the msq so why should they be made to have to suffer when it was the loud youtubers who did. Most casual gamers will just leave the game. I believe yoshi p even has kinda a famous quote about this. The silent majority will just leave your game if they don't like it. Let me tell you. If I didn't enjoy anything about the msq. Somebody who has played since 1.0 and stuck with this game. Garentee the casual audience straight up left without a word, and that's not a good thing for the health of this game at all. Need to start talking to players that aren't just on social media all the time.