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Data Driven Strength
Добавлен 17 окт 2020
We help you maximize strength and hypertrophy by integrating research into practice. Hosted by exercise scientists Josh Pelland and Zac Robinson.
Can The Volume Research Be Trusted: Ft. Dr. Eric Helms | S2E3
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
04:02 Evolution of Research in Strength Training
12:08 Critical Analysis of Volume Research
20:12 Understanding Limitations in Training Studies
30:02 Real-World Implications
42:32 Balancing Science Communication and Practical Utility
44:55 Shifting Perspectives on Training Volume
47:21 Long-Term Training Perspectives and Individual Differences
50:48 The Role of Environmental Constraints in Training
52:44 Assessing The Hypertrophy and Strength Relationship
55:32 The Complexities of Strength and Hypertrophy Measurement
01:01:13 Practical Applications of Volume Load Progression
01:07:30 Navigating Performance Variabi...
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
04:02 Evolution of Research in Strength Training
12:08 Critical Analysis of Volume Research
20:12 Understanding Limitations in Training Studies
30:02 Real-World Implications
42:32 Balancing Science Communication and Practical Utility
44:55 Shifting Perspectives on Training Volume
47:21 Long-Term Training Perspectives and Individual Differences
50:48 The Role of Environmental Constraints in Training
52:44 Assessing The Hypertrophy and Strength Relationship
55:32 The Complexities of Strength and Hypertrophy Measurement
01:01:13 Practical Applications of Volume Load Progression
01:07:30 Navigating Performance Variabi...
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Training Efficiency: The Overlooked Key to the Volume Debate
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Maximizing Hypertrophy with the Right Training Frequency (Latest Scientific Findings)
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Frequency and Hypertrophy: New Science Explained | S2E2
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Thanks for tuning in to the Data Driven Strength Podcast! sportrxiv.org/index.php/server/preprint/view/460 Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 16:40 Background 29:16 Historical Perspectives on Training Frequency 50:28 What We Did (Methodology) 01:00:57 Findings on Frequency Quantification 01:10:43 Primary Meta-Regression Results 01:35:58 Comparing The Results Frequency Quantification Methods 01:42:2...
What Should the New Volume Recommendation Be for Hypertrophy? Insights from New Research
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Volume and Hypertrophy: New Science Explained | S2E1
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Thanks for tuning in to the Data Driven Strength Podcast! sportrxiv.org/index.php/server/preprint/view/460 Timestamps: 0:00:00 Introduction 0:04:41 The Story Behind This Project 0:10:00 The Goal of This Podcast 0:24:03 Background Research / Rationale 0:44:30 Method of Set Quantification 0:51:20 Search and Inclusion Criteria 0:55:45 Why Include Non-training Control Groups 1:01:20 Smallest Detect...
The RIGHT Way to Use Supersets (2 example programs)
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Managing the Costs of Training to Failure | Ep. 66
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Thanks for tuning in to the Data Driven Strength Podcast! 00:00 Introduction 01:30 Controlling Proximity to Failure and Downstream Effects 03:39 Theoretical Considerations and Adjusting Load Set-to-Set 11:50 Practical Recommendations for Training to Failure 19:35 Exercise Order and Perception of Effort 35:08 Maximizing the Stimulus Under the Curve All our stuff - data-drivenstrength.ck.page/p.....
How Should Your Volume Change Over Time? | Ep. 65
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Thanks for tuning in to the Data Driven Strength Podcast! 00:00 Introducttion 02:27 Framing the Discussion on the Dose-Response Relationship 08:19 Differentiating Muscle-Centric and Practical Constraints 15:32 Volume Needs over a Lifting Career 24:26 The Minimum Effective Dose and Practical Considerations 32:22 The Shifting Window of Productive Training Volumes 38:35 Wrap Up All our stuff - dat...
You Could Be Training Harder (One Simple Tip)
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Maintenance Volume: More Than Meets the Eye | Ep. 64
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Thanks for tuning in to the Data Driven Strength Podcast! 00:00 Intro 05:25 Defining Maintenance Volume 08:18 Current Research on Maintenance Volume 18:49 Limitations of Current Research 24:16 Determining Effective Maintenance Volumes 32:47 Skepticism Around Some Evidence-Based Concepts 35:11 Maximizing Gains of Maintenance 46:27 Absolute vs. Relative Change in Volume 01:01:14 The Importance of...
Are You Secretly LOSING MUSCLE?
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How Novelty Can Make Your Training More Effective | Ep. 63
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Thanks for tuning in to the Data Driven Strength Podcast! 00:00 Intro 03:14 Calf Anatomy 08:29 Exploring the Concept of Resensitization 29:17 The Role Individualization 36:09 Anecdotal Evidence of Potential Effectiveness 42:16 Practical Resensitization Strategies All our stuff - data-drivenstrength.ck.page/profile Music by Joystock - www.joystock.com
The Biggest Programming Change I've Made
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Exercise Variety is CRUCIAL to Optimize Muscle Growth
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Exercise Variety is CRUCIAL to Optimize Muscle Growth
Tips for Hardgainers and Distributing Volume for Strength | Ep. 62
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Tips for Hardgainers and Distributing Volume for Strength | Ep. 62
Manage This Variable and Hit More Personal Records
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Manage This Variable and Hit More Personal Records
Conceptualizing Training Frequency for Strength | Ep. 61
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Conceptualizing Training Frequency for Strength | Ep. 61
Evidence Based Fitness Gets This WRONG?
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Evidence Based Fitness Gets This WRONG?
Are Long Rest Periods Really Out of Style For Muscle Growth?
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Are Long Rest Periods Really Out of Style For Muscle Growth?
Experience-Driven Coaching Strategies | Ep. 60
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Experience-Driven Coaching Strategies | Ep. 60
Powerlifters get this wrong (hypertrophy work mistake)
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Powerlifters get this wrong (hypertrophy work mistake)
Is Training To Failure Enough to Maximize Muscle Growth?
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Is Training To Failure Enough to Maximize Muscle Growth?
Are PR’s required for maximum muscle growth?
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Are PR’s required for maximum muscle growth?
Are Lengthened Partials OVERHYPED?
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Are Lengthened Partials OVERHYPED?
A Simple Metric to Get Stronger, Faster [Free Download]
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A Simple Metric to Get Stronger, Faster [Free Download]
I Was WRONG About Training Volume (the science of adding sets for hypertrophy)
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I Was WRONG About Training Volume (the science of adding sets for hypertrophy)
Is Training to Failure Actually More Fatiguing?
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Is Training to Failure Actually More Fatiguing?
Whom are they reffering to when speaking about muscle swelling? (As I understand, somebody must have made claims that a huge part of muscle growth in many/most/all of the studies are due to muscle swelling.)
I 100% guarantee that I am the fattest and most under-trained viewer that you have and I am keeping it that way daggummit
💀💀💀
Yes
Can anybody share the reference from Latella and colleagues for the 1 single set to failure study at 59:13? Thanks
Found it pure.solent.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/32824694/Manuscript_Steele_et_al._Final_Clean_accepted.pdf
42 sets It is then
Damn the intro music 🔥
Scientist discovers training by feel after 10 years
No 😎
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Exactly ZERO of it is worth a damn, especially the high volume stuff until we have data on the time course for swelling. People can cite the one paper using THREE sets of bench press but ASSuming that applies to moron level volumes is not good science. But the people pushing this high volume garbage are not good scientists. They are trend followers pushing fads to generate content and keep people endlessly confused. Because while they can keep pimping 50+ sets, the real people making progress in the real world aren't doing that. It's garbage data to produce garbage content for wannabes. Prediction: all of the high volume stuff will turn out to be water shifts and the entire data set will end up being crap. I might be wrong. And I'll happily admit I am. Do you think Schoenfeld, Brigatto, Milo, Eric, Krieger and the rest of the crew will admit it when I'm right. We know they won't. Because it's only good science when it agrees with them. And you all know I'm right.
This is going to be gold!
Is it true to call more than 12 sets per muscle group per session junk volume? Or is it just an educated guess people throw around?
Some muscles are recovering faster than others. We can't make general summaries
Criminally under-viewed
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Thank you so much for this! Really love the practical tip❤
Great thumbnail, guys: "I keep coming"
What I really, really, REALLY want to know is: can someone slowly get to their max potential with lower-tier volume, or will they be stuck below their max potential forever?
Great data and explanation, thank you! Do we have any idea (even if a very rough approximation) how much drop sets should be counted towards the fractional sets framework?
Drop Sets are 🗑
Dint your own meta analysis showed an average of 6 fractional sets were the limit for a session (ignoring variation) and more sets being better for hypertrophy?
My tiny brain can't understand why the regression line doesn't portray the efficiency tiers. Sick table though.
How does the strong relationship between volume and hypertrophy square with the very marginal benefits of frequency beyond 2 sets / week for hypertrophy? Basically, can I bang out 12 sets of chest twice a week and get decent results? I feel like the junk volume idea is somewhat overblown
I absolutely love Josh’s communication style, but I am begging you to strike “double-click” from your lexicon It gives me corporate meeting flashbacks, not to mention that gen z/alpha don’t know what a double-click is.
I listened to it on spotify in my car already, but I wasn't able to see the graphs. Now I'm watching what I missed there. Absolute fantastic work and I cannot understate how stoked I am to see this information being discussed without any paywall etc.. I tried running similar models on my own training data of 5 years. However, my statistics knowledge is not as good as yours and you're obviously working with different data. I'm really stoked to see this! 😃
This is probably the most useful piece on hypertrophy I've seen in the entire time I've been training.
the intro music always scares the living shit out of me lmao. am I getting chased by a killer?
lol
Yes you are 🤣
I have a question this are fractional sets so when you say 6 additional weekly sets for direct training is it 3 sets ?
Yes.
How does the efficiency of volume change based on set intensity and training status?
Obviously low intensity sets are less efficient even if they're the first ones. Research observes set outcomes from a somewhat close proximity to failure. And the diminishing efficiency rule doesn't change for advanced training status. It's just that all the sets are less effective so you need more.
What a great way to start the day 👌. Thanks for reviewing the table , I’ve been a bit unclear on it when I first saw it. Could this be a way to quantify the difference in gains comparing sets per week? Could you essentially say that by doing 11-18 sets per week you get 2.05% more gains than 5-10 sets a week?
Damn yeah! Starting this at 8am with coffee. DDS is so legit.
No
This was phenomenal, well done lads ;)
Once you know what you’re doing and have been lifting for years, frequency doesn’t matter. There is simply far too much evidence around the gym that puts all studies to shame. The jacked guy on a bro split wouldn’t have magically made more gains if he’d worked a muscle more frequently. I think it’s one of the dumbest debates in fitness. Possibly a good argument for it in your first 3 years or so to build skill, mind muscle connection etc.
Ditto. Awesome episode, but they all are really!
No idea about human physiology it seems.... muscle adapts to intensity, not to volume. Period. 1 set is enough. 2 sets are too much. Not train that muscle again until adaptation growth process is over. Typically 7-10 days.
You don't have any evidence behind your claims. Stop sucking off Mentzer and educate yourself
So why do most of the very best natural and enhanced bodybuilders in the world use high frequency?
@@A.P.GarlandFor the same reason that everybody do it: because they don't know a fk. Fortunately there are exceptions: Dorian Yates and Mike Mentzer are the best examples...
@@DanielFernandez-h3l Yeah, Dorian Yeats and Mike Mentzer are good examples of low volume, but by the same token, large numbers of the other Mr. Olympia winners did high volume e.g. Arnold, Phil Heath, Ronnie Coleman, Jake Cutler etc. so can't we say both approaches are proved to work?
@@A.P.Garland No, because Arnold etc where doing high intensity+volume (+steroids which can by itself invalidate any conclusion or analysis from them). If for example, they doing 10 sets for a muscle and in the second set they hit their maximum intensity effort they will growth until that point of intensity in the same way of doing 1 set. But, the other 8 additional sets will harm them in many ways, by destroying their joints and stressing the body for nothing, consuming energy, wasting time and damaging the muscle more than required so they will need more recovery time. Of course they can train every day, 2 times a day because they are on steroids. A natural persona can't... or will end aged, without joint, pain,... basically they are killing themselves for nothing, because the growth occurs only hitting the maximum intensity once. If you want to know if volume make you growth it's very simple and obvious... just do 100 curls with 1 kilo... that's called cardio... or just check the body of marathon athletes vs 100 meter sprinters...
Working my way through these, from ep. 1 back up to the 5hour podcast. Amazing work, quality conversations. DDS has restored my faith in evidence based training!
Soo, if i can train each body part once per week with high volume etc. 12-15s I would better results with this approach than training body part 2-3 times per week but with 10set per week Higher volume gives me more results than modereate volume (2-3times per week) even if i training once per week?
Good video but what if you are passed 50,should you train a muscle once a week or twice?
It's more important focusing on intensity and getting stronger. So long as you are getting stronger training once every 7 days or 10 days so be it.
It depends.
2-3 sets per muscle @ 0 RIR done 2 x week has been a game changer for me.
Something I have been thinking about a lot lately is how double progression is just a fallacy when considered in the constraints of RPE. Your told with double progression to add reps until you reach the top of the rep range, then add weight, rinse and repeat. Yet, to me when considered in the context of RPE it makes no sense as there will be sessions where you cant even get close to the rep range or even lift the same weight you did the session prior and vis versa there woll be sessions where the weight is is as light as anything and you need to use s heavier load just to get into the rep range. So why even bother with double progression if RPE is what matters.
In a perfect world, your performance shouldn’t differ that drastically between sessions/weeks. Of course you’ll have weeks where performance sucks for whatever reason. But it’s not like you’re likely from one week to go from 5 reps to 9 reps the next week. Or vice versa from 9 reps to 5 reps.
I recently figured that training legs several days in a row actually feels really good to me, for example if the first day I focus on deadlifts and the second day I go into quad focused squats, I can actually get a better connection because I am already sore in the hammies but my legs in general just feel it better after being activated the day before. I know it doesn't make sense and you should usually rest but as I don't have to train upper body a lot, I recover pretty well?
I can do any distribution of work with high effort, except if my lower back has built up too much fatigue. Just how my body is, there's a tipping point where I'm just not squatting again until lower back has more days off. So I could absolutely hammer my quads on leg extension or hamstrings on leg curl even when sore if I wanted to. But if my lower back is too tired, there's no way I can do any compound that loads it, even if variations, even if much lighter loads.
Ive noticed that when i work every muscle group around twice a week, i can physically recover from that, but strength and rep progression is kinda slow. But when i work out everything once per week, the next week im usually up by, sometimes, multiple reps per set. Do you think im recovering only from soreness at twice a week, but at once per week im also performance recovered? If this was your experience, what would you make of it?
May be systemic fatigue accumulation on your second session of the week. I would go for the frequency that gets my progression going better, regardless of the studies.
@sancamilobad thanks for your input. I do push to 0 RiR on every set with mini sets to 0 or failure after each exercise. You might be right.
This summer i spent 3 months pushing close to 250 sets per week. What I noticed was that with extremely high set volume going to failure was simply not an option anymore for recovery because it created too much fatigue compare to extra gains. My progression over the summer was amazing though but required a different mindset compared to training 3 times a week when I can just 0 RIR everything and still recover on time for the next session. Maybe try doing a 1 RIR for everything for a while and see if that increases your gains over a period of time compared to 0 RIR or even beyond failure training?
@@CalicoRiot absolutely. And with that amount of intensity, your body is responding better and you enjoy it. Also, all those mini sets make up for the volume of the second session that you don’t do. Doing high intensity techniques when training a muscle once per week works wonders for me. The local damage is massive and my body has time to heal, resynthesize, adapt, and reduce the systemic fatigue. Not the method for everyone, but I really enjoy it and it seems it is working for you as well
@@sancamilobad yeah man, and for what seems like the first time, I'm actually growing noticeably. I don't know how dude above was doing 250 sets a week. I'm dead inside just thinking about it. Glad it's working for you too though. I was so wrapped up in hitting the muscle 2-3 times per week for so long, and now being down this low, saving time and getting bigger is such a win. Dragging out all those sets was so tiring mentally.
Plz make the conversation more clearly set reps rest between sets frequency
If training a muscle x2 a week: 2-4 sets per session. If training a muscle x3 a week: 1-3 sets per session 4-8 reps 2-5 minutes rest
Heavy compounds, at my age, aint happening 3x a week. There's zero point and not enough recovery.
But bicep curls can happen 7/week. ,squat,leg press and sissy squats,lunges,leg extensions can go on 5 days instead of one
This is a programming issue not an age or exercise issue
@@WhopperCheeseDota It's not a program issue or my physique and health would be trash. Bench 300 plus for reps 3x a week longterm and see. Same with squats and deadlifts. Also post some lifting vids to prove your statement is backed by experience. 👌
@@georgesarreas5509 i mentioned compounds.
How old are you?
You mentioned that someone wouldn't enjoy training hamstrings 4x per week, but I do and love it. I HATE having a leg day. I would much rather have a full body program and train legs a little bit every single day than have an their dedicated day to it
What's mentioned in the video is just an example. The opposite applies too!
Same! The only way I can do legs is if I do a little bit every workout, along with every other muscle group. Just a couple sets
Excellent advice. The editing on this one is great. Loving the text at the bottom and next to the video.
Good points, thank you
Give us more on block periodization and progression strategies for powerbuilding
Dear Joshua, with 39 studies done with trained individuals, I would like to know why you included the 28 studies with untrained individuals. Wouldn't it be better to analyze the two scenarios individually, which is better for a trained and an untrained individual?
hey...why you also dont sell some programmes? I think that you are doing amazing jobs but to be honest...when someone want to apply your knowledge etc and its not scienctist...I think it could be nice if you just for example sell some programmes and people can see how you apply it in real training
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