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It's decent, but would be better to use 2pc EM than Atk instead.

@@cavernman4739 thanks 👍🏻

50/150 is barely enough to be considered good, Huge ER isn't relevant unless it's necessary and even then, mostly won't affect your runs, while EM is only useful for certain Character, even 200 is hardly enough for those Characters who benefit EM (Hu Tao, Diluc, Yanfei or any Dendro Variant for example) Having good rotation won't matter if there is no synergy for the Team or the Team lack proper build and setups. Exactly what Team are you running? With those stats, Even Neuvillete & Arlenchino (the currently considered most Brain dead and Broken Characters) would struggle to get full stars without good support or proper pilot backing them. You have to realize Abyss is first and foremost a DPS check, no matter how good you play, if your character or team is simply underpowered you can't expect to get a Full Stars clear. Do note that Many, if not ALL of the so called "BS" Abyss Runs Players have sink their time raising and managing their Characters to make it possible I won't say you have skill issue but you can't expect to achieve the same result without equal or better investment and effort.

​@@cavernman4739Thanks for the advice, i wasn't serious about hacking, it was more of a complement from my side, I'll look into changing some artifacts maybe, tnx.

In general their DPS is about 70:30 in 2 Hydro or VV (Average C0R1 Hu Tao can do 1.1m or above and C2R1 Yelan around 800k ~ 1m depend on Rotation) This assume Single Target. So yeah, Yelan can often outDPS Hu Tao if She missed many Crits from Her CA since their DPS output isn't too far off.

@@cavernman4739 thx for explaining, I just sometimes wonder, why wouldnt somebody replace her with Xiangling with Crimson witch with Lithic Spear or Dragon's Bane, paring with bennett, and then just doing charge attacks? To get energy it whether gonna be Xingxiu and Yelan with Favonius, or E skill Bennett every 5 sec. I have C1 Hu Tao but i never really was into her and sometimes i think i should have get Neuvilette C1 on the same banner almost year ago

​​​@@adfghsfol On field Xiangling is actually worse because Polearm default CA is very slow and NA barely do any DMG, effectively lowering the team DPS potential by not using proper on field Driver. It also have been tested and proven any variant of Hu Tao is far stronger than any variant of Xiangling in ST, which is Her selling point. Also since Hu Tao doesn't need Bennett to work optimally, you can still play Xiangling or other DPS that wants Bennett (most popular being 2 Hydro Hu Tao + Any Variant of National) But yeah if you need only 1 Pyro DPS, Hu Tao or other Pyro DPS have very little value.

Both are niche though would be better get Mona than Diluc cons. Mona can be a decent alternative if your other supports are busy or if you simply want to try something different. C4 is a nice upgrade but requires specific combo to actually noticable and is basically useless if you run Diluc with Xianyun 24/7 Getting C4 will get you closer to C5 though, which is one of Diluc's cons that is actually decent.

Just noticed this as well when I tried running Yoimiya Overload on 2nd half. It's kinda doable with some RNG fishing though would requires a very strong team since the DPS windows are extremely short and breaking the shield took almost thrice the time. Either you have to finish 1st Half really fast or clear everything in two rotation else Overload / Overvape can't even have chance

Geo, claymore and overload is already more flexible than a double hydro team. So it's true this abyss is less restrictive but what made the previous abyss so restrictive was the 7 wave 12-1 which needed great amount of damage on top of elemental restrictions. I can see people fail to try different amount of teams if they are lacking overload, geo or claymore teams but you get lot more choices here unlike double hydro which takes two spot in team leaving you with small number of team choices.

​@@singhodaThe last Abyss doesn't even need 2 Hydro, it's more of a comfy team than necessity, heck a lot of people even did a Solo Hydro (Vape & Freeze) and non Hydro 2nd Half (Mono Electro & Aggravate) with relatively fast clear time. If anything, 2 Hydro is A LOT more flexible than Geo & Claymore combined from the vast amount of roster, better Options, and better Team DPS contribution regardless of who the other 2 member are. Geo on the other hand, practically glued to Zhongli as Flex slot else you need new team altogether centered around Geo (Noelle, Chiori, Itto or Navia) since other Geo support are either just support for Geo or niche (Yunjin & Gorou) than universal support. Meanwhile most Claymore are DPS so people that aren't maining or using character with Claymore to begin with basically forced to raise one if they want a comfy 2nd half clear. On the other hand, XQ, Yelan, and Furina are 3 of the most used and owned supports, so by default, most Players already have ideal option to deal with previous Abyss. On that note, Overload actually struggle on 2nd Half without hefty amount of investment. It is doable, but definitely harder than doing no Hydro on last Abyss because the DPS windows is scuffed. Non Claymore Overload will waste more time breaking shield than doing DPS against 12-2-2 and 12-3-2

@@nonuteveryday I cleared pretty easily with arlecchino overload, haven't tried solo claymore run and should be pretty easy with geo. For last abyss aggravate team clears were borderline impossible unless you had 5 star weapons or insanely fast clear on first half, freeze needed loads of retries with ftp build unless you use double hydro and yes using furina yelan xq everytime is what makes it restrictive. If someone can manage to clear previous abyss with aggravate on second half then they have heavily invested account and I doubt would struggle against this abyss second half even with a single claymore character.

Any Abyss without ASIMON, Ruin Serpent, Ruin Drake, Abyss Herald or Abyss Lectors are a fun one for me.

Took only 4 years for them to finally did it lmao And yes, Kazuha is a good pull in general.

You gassed with that 💀

@@cavernman4739 who is better with kazuha: Rosa C0 or Kaeya C0? I've seen people saying Rosa is bad with Kazuha, but I really want that crit rate buff. And is Rosaria Kazuha variant actually an upgrade over Rosaria Sucrose?

​@@narcis-xamlulRosaria isn't bad by any mean with Kazuha. She is just as good as she is with Sucrose just requires different setups and combo than usual Melt setups. In one rotate setting, Sucrose is still superior, the only upgrade is QoL since Kazuha can Burst every rotation effectively allowing Him to maximize Diluc DPS every rotation. This isn't limited to Rosaria but just how C0 Kazuha without Freedom Sworn usually perform, regardless of the Hydro / Cryo support. This is also the reason why Sucrose is usually superior in Vape compared to C0 Kazuha since in Vape, Hydro Infusion isn't necessary to maximize the Team DPS so Sucrose Downtime doesn't bottleneck the Team DPS.

@@cavernman4739 that sounds... less exciting than i expected. because I hate using TTDS, kazuha will be more useful with powerful buff and insane crowd control. i wonder why people don't use this rotation?: Bennett Q, Kazuha E, Rosa Q, Kazuha Q? That makes cryo application last longer (and I don't have Rosa C2 too so it helps a lot), but people always put Kazuha Q at the first of rotation

Indeed, doing an optimal setup will be painful if this continue, especially Melt. Effectively non Setups such as 2 Hydro (either Plunge or not) 2 Cryo Dragonstrike, or swapping Anemo to ZL would be a lot more practical, might be even faster depending on Diluc's investment and how well you can manage the Team rotation.

@@theianeia Hoho nice, I've used Noelle-Furina for previous abyss, glad to hear that she can also clear this abyss too.

In general they perform simillar DPS wise. The only downside from running Atk% Sand is if Diluc is using non EM Wep and is paired with Xianyun or Kazuha in which He does lose quite some DPS potential. In every other situation (especially if you pair Diluc with Sucrose or strong EM Buffer) Atk Sand usually perform better both DMG and DPS wise, regardless of Diluc's weapon.

​​@@cavernman4739my team consist of diluc,yelan, Bennett and kazhua and the problem is i don't have any EM artifact to give him. I use his signature. Btw how much crit rate should I aim? I have 66%

​@@thomaskennedy5728If you have either Mailed Flower or Rainslasher you can use those for the time being since you are missing quite a lot of potential running WGS + Kazuha without EM Sand so those two would perform a lot better than WGS. How much you should aim for Crit is kinda subjective. 70 is generally considered the sweet spot, some even settle with 60 and under dumping everhthing to CrD & EM but personally 80 is my goal since i feel like <70 CrR still involve a lot of crit fishing.

C2 Sucrose isn't necessary but is a minor boost for Diluc Melt as it allows Diluc to use longer combo. For Hydro Supports, Tbh no. In fact i think it's a good decision they haven't or rather they probably couldn't. The current Hydro Supports are finely balanced, with every niche already covered without overshadowing each other (ST with XQ or Yelan, AoE with Kokomi or Furina) if Hoyo decide to add more Hydro support, they'll have no choice but to start powercreep because releasing Character that fullfill the same role is redundant. So they'll have to release a better and stronger version of the current Hydro Supports instead which as we know Hoyo kinda against. As for Cryo support, we already Shenhe, Ganyu, Rosaria and Kaeya which serves the purpose perfectly. They clealry try to avoid releasing a Yelan or Furina level of Cryo Support to avoid Pyro Characters getting too much advantage, specifically Hu Tao & Arlenchino. They're already broken with Vape, if Forward Melt is doable (which already doable for Hu Tao with Ayaka's help) they'll break the game balance by increasing the DPS check floor, which can hurt F2P and/or new Players.

It'll be a worse Physical Qiqi instead of Freeze if Chongyun is removed. Would be better to run proper Physical Qiqi instead if Chongyun is removed by replacing Him with Rosaria / Shenhe / Yunjin + Replacing Kazuha with Fischl / Lisa

@@cavernman4739 which team do you think she'll be stronger in physical or freeze ? And also which artifact is best for her marechaussee hunter or Blizzard stayer?

​​@@justafanboy3929Physical with Yunjin is arguably Strongest team for Qiqi DPS wise, though Freeze (this exact team) or CA Qiqi (C6 Rosaria / Lisa + Fischl / Yae + Furina) is kinda better for AoE. MH for Physical, Blizzard for Freeze. You can still use MH on Freeze though would lose a bit of DPS from Her Q and E.

Perhaps you are referring to Qiqi, Furina, Fischl, flex? Not sure because you mentioned Furina twice. If that's the case it would be either C6 Rosaria, TtoDS / Sub DPS Lisa or YunJin. YunJin if you want to maximize Qiqi DPS, C6 Rosaria or Lisa if you want min maximize the OHC & Team DPS with Qiqi CA instead of NA. Additionally, YunJin variant is significantly stronger in ST compared to CA Qiqi with Lisa/Rosaria. I haven't done thorough test but from my test, 2 + 2 (Phys + 18% Set) is noticably stronger, granted my OHC stats is slightly worse. IMHO OHC is kinda meh since the it won't help much for ST / DPS check given how low, slow and backloaded the DMG is considering you are trading significant amount of Her personal Number not to mention Qiqi doesn't have 100% uptime Heal unless She can Burst every rotation or is holding R5 Sac. Which is why usually OHC Qiqi is used if She is run as support with R5 Sac than on field Driver. For reference, my lvl 80 talent 8 Phys Qiqi using 2 + 2 & R1 Blacksword with Furina, Fischl, and Yunjin can dish out 17~24k per Hit (21~24 Hits Buffed by Yunjin) or roughly 600~700k DMG per rotation (without any Abyss Buff) I believe OHC given equal stats would have identical result DPS wise but Qiqi Number would be lower.

@@cavernman4739 Oh, yes, I meant Fischl, ofc. Thank you for detailed answer. Yes, people who recommended me OHC said it's better for AoE setups since bubble can hit multiple targets. Is it reasonable to go triple ATK on Qiqi? I guess for Phys build/Taser/freeze Qiqi it's not worthy and Classic atk/phys/Crit will give better results I'll try her 2+2 Phys artis with atk/Physical/Crit then I guess

​@@jafaroffmusic7876For Support Qiqi yes. Instead you can try Atk, Atk, Cr I tried Atk Goblet with 2 + 2 Phys% Set, and it performed nearly as good but with better healing so it might be good for OHC On field Qiqi. Though my Qiqi was using Uraku with YunJin on the Team so it probably affect how DMG doesn't go down as much when running Atk Goblet compared to when I run Mistsplitter and Blacksword.

@@cavernman4739 thank you! There is a long road to build Qiqi now 🌚

Diona is very gimmicky and highly situational (only optimal for ST, and terrible for Multiwaves), and while Ganyu is objectively better than Rosaria, She has higher skill floor to be used optimally and properly. And requires Elegy of the End to rival a fully invested Rosaria. Rosaria on the other hand, is more of Generalist, very easy to use and is a lot more practical than any other Cryo support. If you are already comfortable with Ganyu, there is no reason to build Rosaria. But if you are still experimenting with Diluc melt, Rosaria is highly recommended because She will be more usable than Ganyu and Diona, even Kaeya in many cases.

@@cavernman4739 thanks , I will build her

I'm a diluc main & I'd say.. don't waste your primos if you are f2p. Go for Furina ( if you don't have her) or her c1. Yelan's 1st con is pretty much useless (I'm not talking about exploration ofc) if you have R5 sacrificial bow. Not to mention that Furina works very well with diluc also she buffs him a lot more than Yelan A4. Also she allows you to use marechaussee hunter on diluc so you can give him over 200 Cd without an any type of crit weapon. Good luck on your pulls😊

C1 Yelan is mostly QoL for AoE setups and significant Team DPS upgrade since it solves Her ER issue that allows Her to go full offensive which is Her true selling point, because she has insane DPS pontential in VV Setup but bottlenecked by Her Energy. To an extent, i agree with above that value speaking C1 Furina is more useful than C1 Yelan, but practicality speaking C1 Yelan has crazy compability with Diluc and VV setup in general since She has better frontload DPS and application than Furina does. Arguably C1 Yelan can be a better applicator than Furina if you can play Her rotation properly. Even better if you have plan to get Her C2 because the QoL is just THAT good, surpassing even C6 XQ.

@@cavernman4739 nice so I pull for her lol I already have C1 Furina. It's not like Imma gonna get her cuz Im on my 5050, but if I dont get her I secure my C1 Kazuha. If I get her and lose in kazuha banner I secure Mavuika, Im a BP/Welking player so I get some wishes here and there not full F2P but not even a Dolphin 😂 Thing is I have Elegy R2 and Simulacra R1 but man elegy build feels so energy hungry and dont mention simulacra 😭

​@@cavernman4739 I agree with your points but I mean *overall* Furina C1 is better for a f2p account than Yelan c1 right?...Am I correct? I have both of them and both Yelan and furina is almost fully built so I'd say Furina is a bit better than Yelan. Just forgot about everything. Let's just tell him to use both Yelan and furina with diluc.😂

@@Kixzuki Hihi 😄 I pretty much answered it all above, but Maccaroniandcheese set is not that good on Diluc. 150 CD witch outperforms 200 CD hunter set. I already have 80/250 with Redhorn too so crit will overcap. Furina C1 is so good but I run her in Ayato Hypercarry 😌

Dash, it's easier for me.

Blacksword is probably the closest best alternative DPS wise with right stats. Blackcliff is also good since Sword variant has high base Atk. Alternatively you can use Chongyun as onfield DPS and instead run Qiqi with Sacrificial and turn it to a Shatter Freeze.

​@@cavernman4739 I dont have blacksword either 😂. I think i can use the fontaine's forge sword 😅

​@@cavernman4739thank you 🎉

Yes, but would still clunky. Even with 1 second, it wouldn't change much since in many occasion Diluc would prefer N1EQ Combo which doesn't even take 1second of delay.

Agreed. It surprisingly looks better on Qiqi than Ayaka. It also looks better on Kaeya than Ayaka if i have to be honest lol Kinda funny if you think about Anemona Kageuichi looks aethestically better than Her supposedly Signature Weapon which is also the case with Yoimiya.

Minor upgrade to very little upgrade depending on if you use Diluc E or not. Simillarly to CW vs Shimenawa situation in Mono & Reaction.

@@cavernman4739 I see. Thanks for answering

Probably no. I'll be going to save my guarantee on Weapon & Char for Pyro Archon + Her Weapon. Would skip the Weapon banner if it is paired with something bad tho.

​@@cavernman4739We're on the same boat. Any particular Banner you are looking forward beside Pyro Archon?

​​​@@nonuteverydayChiori and Wrio, Always wanted to main those two. I had to skip Chiori because Redhorn Banner fucked me up badly, and had to skip Wrio for Furina because I'm on low primo. I'll be torn if they got a rerun along with another Banner i'm interested in Pulling or reruned back to back 😅

Great to hear that, Congrats!

Vape with Yelan is a great start. After you get used to/ or familliar with His playstyle you can try Forward Melt, since it's the one that can use the most of His potential. You can use Rainslasher instead if you have it, but Blackcliff is also great option.

@@cavernman4739 yeah i know abt rainslasher but i want blackcliff cuz it sinergize with his skin that i want to buy 😅 Anyway thanks boss

My deepest condolences man. There are still 2 weeks to go, RNG might bless you with early spook, don't give up yet! Though, this is also the case with me and Weapon Banner. I legit NEVER won a single Banner i wanted (WGS, Key, & Redhorn) and I have tried 6 times in total (4 Times Redhorn, 1x WGS, 1x Key) Yet for some reason always won a Banner I don't particularly care losing, even during rate off... Life is beautiful indeed.

@@cavernman4739 bro I smell it, the smell of betrayal from mihoyo. they just want me to be depressed fr I quit the game for months and comeback just for a Jean. guess I have to cope by using XQ and Rosa for the next 12 months 💀 rn i just wanna 🫸🔵🔴🫷 👉===🟣

​@@cavernman4739 I quit the game for months and comeback just for a Jean, absolutely devastating. now I have to cope by using XQ and Rosa for the next 12 months (probably can't get a 5 star this 2 weeks). rn I just wanna 🫸 🔴🔵 🫷増幅と反転を取得し、それら 2 つの異なる無限の表現を組み合わせて、想像上の塊を作成して押し出します。🤌 空想技：紫。🫴🟣

Yes, I have obtained it. Didn't even kbow if it was considered hard by people. The domain literally just need you to kill 10 enemies, it shouldn't be diffucult even for lvl 80 low investment Diluc 😅

@@cavernman4739 I think Diluc needs to be level 90 to even unlock it tho, but yeah, I just gave my Diluc some randon artifacts from other characters, lol

Uptime issue. I don't have any other good catalyst anyway since most Catalyst except Xianyun Signature is hardly any upgrade over Favonious.

@@cavernman4739 skyward atlas? it works fine for me with 3.5k atk by the way i really like your videos

​​​​​​​@@shashankreddy4620 Atlas only add mere 11k more DMG over Favonious or flat 88k total DMG since Her Buff only affect Single Enemy. My Xianyun had 3.6k Atk when holding Atlas FYI, and 2.8k when holding Fav. Tbh only Her Signature that's worth running over Favonious or Oathsworn considering how energy hungry She is and how little most Stats Stick Catalyst provide to Her Buff. You are basically trading 100% uptime in favor of <100k total DMG upgrade accompanied with downtime which effectively diminish the extra DPS, worse being slower due to the downtime.

Huh?

@@Amythosan For context.. search- 'Bangladeshi students protest'.. we been going through hell since 15th July..

BANGLADESH LMAO

Xianyun values DMG% & EM More than Atk so it is to be expected for EM Sand to perform better especially for non EM Wep, even in Bennett-less. This also applies for non Plunge if there is no EM Buffer on the team.

Technically Hu Tao Melt is doable through 2 Cryo + 1 Anemo OR By doing NA Spam / N3CA or N4CA in Traditional VV Setup or just by running Ayaka, Bennett, Kazuha Nuke Team. As much as i want to showcase it, I'm still having PTSD of the insane hate I got everytime when I tried recording a Gimmicky or Fun non "Meta" Hu Tao Runs lol

​@@cavernman4739man now i'm curious what kind of comment did you get back then to make you hesitate that much 💀

​​@@kross4237They immediately went for insults and they were personal because I ran Diluc on the other side. Let's just leave it at that 😅

I'm guessing the Tower Defense? Ngl I also did few reset on that chamber, it's indeed annoying. Perhaps you can try Mono Hydro + Kazuha / Sucrose on the room that full of Pyro & Electro Slimes and just use Sucrose / Kazuha on field, I managed to clear that half with 100% HP remaining.

@@cavernman4739 Thnx i will try it !

Sending all my luck for your Yelan pulls!

@@cavernman4739 I got her thanks to you

Melt is a bit of Try Hard stuff so it's understandable tbh. You'll eventually get a hang of it given time, it's shouldn't be too difficult after you figure the Application rate of your Cryo Support.

IMHO Yoimiya is superior. She can do Melt just as much as Diluc does (6~8 on Average with Kazuha, 8~9 with Sucrose) that can hit just as hard, with only downside being limited to Rosaria and Ganyu. If Kaeya can work with Yoimiya (which technically can but clunky due to His short range) Yoimiya would be a better driver for Melt in general since Kaeya is still by Far the best Melt variant to date and only Diluc can make use of Him optimally (not including Ayaka, because come on now) Granted She's harder to pilot than Diluc due to the lack of intteruption resist to optimize Her DPS. So it's like pick your poison being Diluc with His Combo and Setup optimization or Yoimiya with Her NA Management lol

In a same team, Yoimiya is surprisingly stronger. I did a comparison with my C0R1 Yoimiya & C6R1(WGS) Diluc with Sucrose + Rosaria and Yoimiya is slightly faster against PMA and Aeonblight. But yeah She is limited to Rosaria and Ganyu, while Diluc can run pretty much any Cryo support.

​​@@cavernman4739I guess that's to be expected since Yoimiya herself has better DPS output on ST Makes me wonder what if we ever get a new Cryo support with Kaeya level of DPS and QoL of Rosaria, that'd be so game changing for Yoimiya