Absolutely fantastic clear, as always. I still havent had time to do this one, but looking at the enemies i think my navia is going to be very happy on the second half. For the first halt I'll probably clear it with Arle or Neuv
I'm surprised a lot of people are saying this abyss is less restrictive than the previous one. This Abyss is practically much more restrictive because the 2nd half make ANY Team without Geo or Claymore nearly non Viable and Any Hydro DPS non viable because Tulpa Last Abyss on the other hand, is doable with ANY Team even without Hydro Characters on 2nd half... Great run nonetheless.
Just noticed this as well when I tried running Yoimiya Overload on 2nd half. It's kinda doable with some RNG fishing though would requires a very strong team since the DPS windows are extremely short and breaking the shield took almost thrice the time. Either you have to finish 1st Half really fast or clear everything in two rotation else Overload / Overvape can't even have chance
Geo, claymore and overload is already more flexible than a double hydro team. So it's true this abyss is less restrictive but what made the previous abyss so restrictive was the 7 wave 12-1 which needed great amount of damage on top of elemental restrictions. I can see people fail to try different amount of teams if they are lacking overload, geo or claymore teams but you get lot more choices here unlike double hydro which takes two spot in team leaving you with small number of team choices.
@@singhodaThe last Abyss doesn't even need 2 Hydro, it's more of a comfy team than necessity, heck a lot of people even did a Solo Hydro (Vape & Freeze) and non Hydro 2nd Half (Mono Electro & Aggravate) with relatively fast clear time. If anything, 2 Hydro is A LOT more flexible than Geo & Claymore combined from the vast amount of roster, better Options, and better Team DPS contribution regardless of who the other 2 member are. Geo on the other hand, practically glued to Zhongli as Flex slot else you need new team altogether centered around Geo (Noelle, Chiori, Itto or Navia) since other Geo support are either just support for Geo or niche (Yunjin & Gorou) than universal support. Meanwhile most Claymore are DPS so people that aren't maining or using character with Claymore to begin with basically forced to raise one if they want a comfy 2nd half clear. On the other hand, XQ, Yelan, and Furina are 3 of the most used and owned supports, so by default, most Players already have ideal option to deal with previous Abyss. On that note, Overload actually struggle on 2nd Half without hefty amount of investment. It is doable, but definitely harder than doing no Hydro on last Abyss because the DPS windows is scuffed. Non Claymore Overload will waste more time breaking shield than doing DPS against 12-2-2 and 12-3-2
@@nonuteveryday I cleared pretty easily with arlecchino overload, haven't tried solo claymore run and should be pretty easy with geo. For last abyss aggravate team clears were borderline impossible unless you had 5 star weapons or insanely fast clear on first half, freeze needed loads of retries with ftp build unless you use double hydro and yes using furina yelan xq everytime is what makes it restrictive. If someone can manage to clear previous abyss with aggravate on second half then they have heavily invested account and I doubt would struggle against this abyss second half even with a single claymore character.
I don't have freedom sworn to test for myself so I'm not really sure how much it affect Him to Diluc. In comparison Sucrose with TtoDS / Nahida's Wep is far superior than 1k EM C0 Kazuha, so not sure if Freedom Sworn will even it out if not become superior.
3:19 Since you destroyed the trash on floor 12-2-2, that geo thing kills my entire team in 2 hits, I can't touch it, even if I jump over a circle it loses half of its health, then the rocks it throws fall on it if I back away, and finally if I try to attack it with elementals it finishes killing my entire team with its massive attack that takes away 20K of health...
my brother did you watch the 5.0 livestream??? FREE 5 STAR OMG, I can get Diluc C3 that's so crazy. in addition there will be 20 pulls😭. is it good to pull for Kazuha??
@@cavernman4739 who is better with kazuha: Rosa C0 or Kaeya C0? I've seen people saying Rosa is bad with Kazuha, but I really want that crit rate buff. And is Rosaria Kazuha variant actually an upgrade over Rosaria Sucrose?
@@narcis-xamlulRosaria isn't bad by any mean with Kazuha. She is just as good as she is with Sucrose just requires different setups and combo than usual Melt setups. In one rotate setting, Sucrose is still superior, the only upgrade is QoL since Kazuha can Burst every rotation effectively allowing Him to maximize Diluc DPS every rotation. This isn't limited to Rosaria but just how C0 Kazuha without Freedom Sworn usually perform, regardless of the Hydro / Cryo support. This is also the reason why Sucrose is usually superior in Vape compared to C0 Kazuha since in Vape, Hydro Infusion isn't necessary to maximize the Team DPS so Sucrose Downtime doesn't bottleneck the Team DPS.
@@cavernman4739 that sounds... less exciting than i expected. because I hate using TTDS, kazuha will be more useful with powerful buff and insane crowd control. i wonder why people don't use this rotation?: Bennett Q, Kazuha E, Rosa Q, Kazuha Q? That makes cryo application last longer (and I don't have Rosa C2 too so it helps a lot), but people always put Kazuha Q at the first of rotation
In general their DPS is about 70:30 in 2 Hydro or VV (Average C0R1 Hu Tao can do 1.1m or above and C2R1 Yelan around 800k ~ 1m depend on Rotation) This assume Single Target. So yeah, Yelan can often outDPS Hu Tao if She missed many Crits from Her CA since their DPS output isn't too far off.
@@cavernman4739 thx for explaining, I just sometimes wonder, why wouldnt somebody replace her with Xiangling with Crimson witch with Lithic Spear or Dragon's Bane, paring with bennett, and then just doing charge attacks? To get energy it whether gonna be Xingxiu and Yelan with Favonius, or E skill Bennett every 5 sec. I have C1 Hu Tao but i never really was into her and sometimes i think i should have get Neuvilette C1 on the same banner almost year ago
@@adfghsfol On field Xiangling is actually worse because Polearm default CA is very slow and NA barely do any DMG, effectively lowering the team DPS potential by not using proper on field Driver. It also have been tested and proven any variant of Hu Tao is far stronger than any variant of Xiangling in ST, which is Her selling point. Also since Hu Tao doesn't need Bennett to work optimally, you can still play Xiangling or other DPS that wants Bennett (most popular being 2 Hydro Hu Tao + Any Variant of National) But yeah if you need only 1 Pyro DPS, Hu Tao or other Pyro DPS have very little value.
Seems like hes hacking with these abyss runs, i have every character at 50Cr 150Crit Dmg and over 200Er with at least 200Em on each and can barely get one star, i never missed any abyss in 3 years and bever did more than 6 stars on floor 12.. my rotation are very smooth i was watching plenty of guides, thats when i started to thin these youtubers are full of Bs..
50/150 is barely enough to be considered good, Huge ER isn't relevant unless it's necessary and even then, mostly won't affect your runs, while EM is only useful for certain Character, even 200 is hardly enough for those Characters who benefit EM (Hu Tao, Diluc, Yanfei or any Dendro Variant for example) Having good rotation won't matter if there is no synergy for the Team or the Team lack proper build and setups. Exactly what Team are you running? With those stats, Even Neuvillete & Arlenchino (the currently considered most Brain dead and Broken Characters) would struggle to get full stars without good support or proper pilot backing them. You have to realize Abyss is first and foremost a DPS check, no matter how good you play, if your character or team is simply underpowered you can't expect to get a Full Stars clear. Do note that Many, if not ALL of the so called "BS" Abyss Runs Players have sink their time raising and managing their Characters to make it possible I won't say you have skill issue but you can't expect to achieve the same result without equal or better investment and effort.
@@cavernman4739Thanks for the advice, i wasn't serious about hacking, it was more of a complement from my side, I'll look into changing some artifacts maybe, tnx.
Both are niche though would be better get Mona than Diluc cons. Mona can be a decent alternative if your other supports are busy or if you simply want to try something different. C4 is a nice upgrade but requires specific combo to actually noticable and is basically useless if you run Diluc with Xianyun 24/7 Getting C4 will get you closer to C5 though, which is one of Diluc's cons that is actually decent.
Glad there they didn't bring back coppelia, was afraid they might return again too soon lmao. That being said, if Abyss continue to be like this (more wave with tanky and spread enemy) VV setups will be even more uncomfortable than ever and would bottleneck at worst especially for Diluc... What'a your thought about this tho?
Indeed, doing an optimal setup will be painful if this continue, especially Melt. Effectively non Setups such as 2 Hydro (either Plunge or not) 2 Cryo Dragonstrike, or swapping Anemo to ZL would be a lot more practical, might be even faster depending on Diluc's investment and how well you can manage the Team rotation.
Apart from floor 12-2-2 and that short dps window from the golem, this abyss is actually pretty solid and less annoying. Thank the archons lmao.
This abyss is pretty chill compared to the previous one. Cleared it with Noelle-Furina on the 1st half, spin to winning all the way. Quite fun.
@@theianeia Hoho nice, I've used Noelle-Furina for previous abyss, glad to hear that she can also clear this abyss too.
pretty interesting abyss, i can see many team comps can work out on this one instead the previous abyss
Absolutely fantastic clear, as always.
I still havent had time to do this one, but looking at the enemies i think my navia is going to be very happy on the second half. For the first halt I'll probably clear it with Arle or Neuv
This abyss is too fun for diluc, especially on second half
This abyss is so, so nice ❤ Great showcase!
Yooo!!! Been waiting for the vids!
I'm surprised a lot of people are saying this abyss is less restrictive than the previous one.
This Abyss is practically much more restrictive because the 2nd half make ANY Team without Geo or Claymore nearly non Viable and Any Hydro DPS non viable because Tulpa
Last Abyss on the other hand, is doable with ANY Team even without Hydro Characters on 2nd half...
Great run nonetheless.
Just noticed this as well when I tried running Yoimiya Overload on 2nd half.
It's kinda doable with some RNG fishing though would requires a very strong team since the DPS windows are extremely short and breaking the shield took almost thrice the time.
Either you have to finish 1st Half really fast or clear everything in two rotation else Overload / Overvape can't even have chance
Geo, claymore and overload is already more flexible than a double hydro team. So it's true this abyss is less restrictive but what made the previous abyss so restrictive was the 7 wave 12-1 which needed great amount of damage on top of elemental restrictions. I can see people fail to try different amount of teams if they are lacking overload, geo or claymore teams but you get lot more choices here unlike double hydro which takes two spot in team leaving you with small number of team choices.
@@singhodaThe last Abyss doesn't even need 2 Hydro, it's more of a comfy team than necessity, heck a lot of people even did a Solo Hydro (Vape & Freeze) and non Hydro 2nd Half (Mono Electro & Aggravate) with relatively fast clear time.
If anything, 2 Hydro is A LOT more flexible than Geo & Claymore combined from the vast amount of roster, better Options, and better Team DPS contribution regardless of who the other 2 member are.
Geo on the other hand, practically glued to Zhongli as Flex slot else you need new team altogether centered around Geo (Noelle, Chiori, Itto or Navia) since other Geo support are either just support for Geo or niche (Yunjin & Gorou) than universal support.
Meanwhile most Claymore are DPS so people that aren't maining or using character with Claymore to begin with basically forced to raise one if they want a comfy 2nd half clear.
On the other hand, XQ, Yelan, and Furina are 3 of the most used and owned supports, so by default, most Players already have ideal option to deal with previous Abyss.
On that note, Overload actually struggle on 2nd Half without hefty amount of investment.
It is doable, but definitely harder than doing no Hydro on last Abyss because the DPS windows is scuffed.
Non Claymore Overload will waste more time breaking shield than doing DPS against 12-2-2 and 12-3-2
@@nonuteveryday I cleared pretty easily with arlecchino overload, haven't tried solo claymore run and should be pretty easy with geo. For last abyss aggravate team clears were borderline impossible unless you had 5 star weapons or insanely fast clear on first half, freeze needed loads of retries with ftp build unless you use double hydro and yes using furina yelan xq everytime is what makes it restrictive. If someone can manage to clear previous abyss with aggravate on second half then they have heavily invested account and I doubt would struggle against this abyss second half even with a single claymore character.
For the Dilluc team do you think Sucrose or Kazuha is better? I do have Freedom sworn but I also have nahidas weapon so idk(I have c6 sucrose)
I don't have freedom sworn to test for myself so I'm not really sure how much it affect Him to Diluc.
In comparison Sucrose with TtoDS / Nahida's Wep is far superior than 1k EM C0 Kazuha, so not sure if Freedom Sworn will even it out if not become superior.
@@cavernman4739 All right ima try sucrose after upgrading her talents and testing it out👍
this abyss cycle seems fun to play
3:19 Since you destroyed the trash on floor 12-2-2, that geo thing kills my entire team in 2 hits, I can't touch it, even if I jump over a circle it loses half of its health, then the rocks it throws fall on it if I back away, and finally if I try to attack it with elementals it finishes killing my entire team with its massive attack that takes away 20K of health...
Es como ver a los dioses regresando al Olimpo. 💪✨
The free plunge Mech is back?? Deimm can't wait to try
BRO WTF IS THAT DILUC DMG ☠️
Well that was a pretty fun abyss. How are you feeling about that?
Any Abyss without ASIMON, Ruin Serpent, Ruin Drake, Abyss Herald or Abyss Lectors are a fun one for me.
Is 2ps pyro dmg and 2ps atk good for diluc?
It's decent, but would be better to use 2pc EM than Atk instead.
@@cavernman4739 thanks 👍🏻
my brother did you watch the 5.0 livestream??? FREE 5 STAR OMG, I can get Diluc C3 that's so crazy. in addition there will be 20 pulls😭. is it good to pull for Kazuha??
Took only 4 years for them to finally did it lmao
And yes, Kazuha is a good pull in general.
You gassed with that 💀
@@cavernman4739 who is better with kazuha: Rosa C0 or Kaeya C0? I've seen people saying Rosa is bad with Kazuha, but I really want that crit rate buff. And is Rosaria Kazuha variant actually an upgrade over Rosaria Sucrose?
@@narcis-xamlulRosaria isn't bad by any mean with Kazuha.
She is just as good as she is with Sucrose just requires different setups and combo than usual Melt setups.
In one rotate setting, Sucrose is still superior, the only upgrade is QoL since Kazuha can Burst every rotation effectively allowing Him to maximize Diluc DPS every rotation.
This isn't limited to Rosaria but just how C0 Kazuha without Freedom Sworn usually perform, regardless of the Hydro / Cryo support.
This is also the reason why Sucrose is usually superior in Vape compared to C0 Kazuha since in Vape, Hydro Infusion isn't necessary to maximize the Team DPS so Sucrose Downtime doesn't bottleneck the Team DPS.
@@cavernman4739 that sounds... less exciting than i expected. because I hate using TTDS, kazuha will be more useful with powerful buff and insane crowd control. i wonder why people don't use this rotation?: Bennett Q, Kazuha E, Rosa Q, Kazuha Q? That makes cryo application last longer (and I don't have Rosa C2 too so it helps a lot), but people always put Kazuha Q at the first of rotation
Sometimes i think Hu Tao dealing less damage than Yelan...
In general their DPS is about 70:30 in 2 Hydro or VV (Average C0R1 Hu Tao can do 1.1m or above and C2R1 Yelan around 800k ~ 1m depend on Rotation)
This assume Single Target.
So yeah, Yelan can often outDPS Hu Tao if She missed many Crits from Her CA since their DPS output isn't too far off.
@@cavernman4739 thx for explaining, I just sometimes wonder, why wouldnt somebody replace her with Xiangling with Crimson witch with Lithic Spear or Dragon's Bane, paring with bennett, and then just doing charge attacks? To get energy it whether gonna be Xingxiu and Yelan with Favonius, or E skill Bennett every 5 sec. I have C1 Hu Tao but i never really was into her and sometimes i think i should have get Neuvilette C1 on the same banner almost year ago
@@adfghsfol On field Xiangling is actually worse because Polearm default CA is very slow and NA barely do any DMG, effectively lowering the team DPS potential by not using proper on field Driver.
It also have been tested and proven any variant of Hu Tao is far stronger than any variant of Xiangling in ST, which is Her selling point.
Also since Hu Tao doesn't need Bennett to work optimally, you can still play Xiangling or other DPS that wants Bennett (most popular being 2 Hydro Hu Tao + Any Variant of National)
But yeah if you need only 1 Pyro DPS, Hu Tao or other Pyro DPS have very little value.
МЕЛТ ДИЛЮК ВПЕРËËД
Seems like hes hacking with these abyss runs, i have every character at 50Cr 150Crit Dmg and over 200Er with at least 200Em on each and can barely get one star, i never missed any abyss in 3 years and bever did more than 6 stars on floor 12.. my rotation are very smooth i was watching plenty of guides, thats when i started to thin these youtubers are full of Bs..
50/150 is barely enough to be considered good, Huge ER isn't relevant unless it's necessary and even then, mostly won't affect your runs, while EM is only useful for certain Character, even 200 is hardly enough for those Characters who benefit EM (Hu Tao, Diluc, Yanfei or any Dendro Variant for example)
Having good rotation won't matter if there is no synergy for the Team or the Team lack proper build and setups.
Exactly what Team are you running?
With those stats, Even Neuvillete & Arlenchino (the currently considered most Brain dead and Broken Characters) would struggle to get full stars without good support or proper pilot backing them.
You have to realize Abyss is first and foremost a DPS check, no matter how good you play, if your character or team is simply underpowered you can't expect to get a Full Stars clear.
Do note that Many, if not ALL of the so called "BS" Abyss Runs Players have sink their time raising and managing their Characters to make it possible
I won't say you have skill issue but you can't expect to achieve the same result without equal or better investment and effort.
@@cavernman4739Thanks for the advice, i wasn't serious about hacking, it was more of a complement from my side, I'll look into changing some artifacts maybe, tnx.
Wow bro this is amazing I aspire to be able to do this🥹
C4 diluc or C0 mona ? 🫠
Both are niche though would be better get Mona than Diluc cons.
Mona can be a decent alternative if your other supports are busy or if you simply want to try something different.
C4 is a nice upgrade but requires specific combo to actually noticable and is basically useless if you run Diluc with Xianyun 24/7
Getting C4 will get you closer to C5 though, which is one of Diluc's cons that is actually decent.
Glad there they didn't bring back coppelia, was afraid they might return again too soon lmao.
That being said, if Abyss continue to be like this (more wave with tanky and spread enemy) VV setups will be even more uncomfortable than ever and would bottleneck at worst especially for Diluc...
What'a your thought about this tho?
Indeed, doing an optimal setup will be painful if this continue, especially Melt.
Effectively non Setups such as 2 Hydro (either Plunge or not) 2 Cryo Dragonstrike, or swapping Anemo to ZL would be a lot more practical, might be even faster depending on Diluc's investment and how well you can manage the Team rotation.