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This setup doesn't work that way. The audio output of the PS5 is not used at all with the bass shakers. The PS5 broadcasts the game's telemetry data - g forces, speed, road impacts, gear shifts, etc. The Simhub application running on a Windows PC receives that data, which is used to create effects. The settings of the triggered effect determines the frequency and volume being sent to each bass shaker, which results in vibration. There may be a simpler way to take the audio over HDMI and run it through a bass shaker, but I don't have any experience with that. All you're going to get with that type of system is low frequencies sound getting fed to the bass shakers, similar to running a subwoofer. You'll have no control over effects like you would using Simhub.

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I wanted the bass shakers for more general haptic effects like road impacts, road texture, and gear shifts. My plan was to add rumble pedals directly to the pedals, which I've since done. Video coming.

@@DigitalRelay will keep an eye out for your next vid. Enjoy your easy going, practical style.

Yes, there are several effects available to achieve road rumble, road impacts, road texture feel, and you have plenty of parameters available to dial it in to fit you and your setup.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” - Arthur C Clarke GT7 broadcasts the games telemetry data on your local network. Once setup to look for it, your Simhub PC receives that data on your network, then Simhub uses the data to create effects that get sent on to whatever haptic devices you have installed. It's pretty great for simracing and fun to build, figure out and get working. Thanks for watching!

Isn't it so much better having those cables hidden? I love it.

@@DigitalRelay absolutely. I'm crazy about cable management.

Amen, brother!

I ended up buying a lot of 4 non-working PS4 controllers on eBay and scavenged the motors for my main rig at home, and my portable wheel stand rig. They are strong enough. I don't run them at full voltage even. I think they are designed to run at 5v and I'm feeding them from a 12v power supply with limited voltage. I'm not sure if I'll end up killing them by sending too much power, but they've been fine for nearly a year, and since I have extras for little money, I don't mind if I eventually have to replace them. Getting a solid mount on your pedal is key. I used 3D plastic standoffs on my main rig, but even a single zip tie on my portable rig works well. You just want to make sure the vibration gets sent into the pedal as well as you can.

@@DigitalRelay Did you have issues getting SimHub to connect to your Arduino Uno? I've been trying everything and it shows not connected. Any help please!

Check your Windows sound settings. Also, make sure the nobsound is setup in Simhub.

Yes, I've thought about doing a motion rig, but from what I've read, unless you spend way more money than I have, they aren't worth it for sim racing feedback and immersion. Plus, they take up more room than I have, and I need my rig to be semi-portable. I think transducers are fantastic and add to the immersion factor, and also can provide valuable feedback about what your car is doing in the game.

It's supposed to work with most a variety of wheel bases, but I don't know for sure if it fits that one out of the box. It would be easy enough to drill extra holes if you needed to.

@@DigitalRelay thank you

Good questions! For me, I was already doing wind simulation, so I had the Arduino Uno and motor shield board. All I needed was a couple of salvaged rumble motors. If I was starting from scratch, I might pick transducers because I think they are probably faster and more flexible with tuning, but the rumble motors are pretty quick to spin up, and you can kind of tune them in Simhub by adjusting the power that goes to them. Transducers are going to require an audio interface/power amp like the nobsound, so if I went that route on this rig for the pedals, I would have needed a second nobsound interface/amp. On my main rig where the PS5 and Simhub PC are hard wired to my router, there is very little lag. On my portable rig at my girlfriend's house with PS4 and Simhub PC both on wifi, there is some lag. But that whole rig is kind of a step down from what I have at home. Noise wise, they are pretty similar in level, but a different type of sound. Honestly, any haptics on your rig are going to make some noise. I mitigated some of it on my main rig with rubber isolators on the bottom of the cockpit, but the nature of making vibrations is that they will also make sound.

@@DigitalRelay Thanks for reply man, I really appreciate it! Very interesting point on connection delay. That was, for some reason, unexpected for me. Didn't have any experience with arduino. I'll definitely will look into making wired connection. On the noise you surprised me. I knew it can't be completely silent, but wasn't expected same volume as transducers especially because of lower frequencies. Guess vibrations and metal aren't good combinations for quietness either way)) But are motors distinct enough in lower frequency haptics? I mean in lows they should have much more stronger feel compared to transducer because small moving diaphragm shouldn't be nowhere near spinning weight. Before watching your video I was researching only transducers. Now I kinda want to do both. But really not sure if I won't end up with vibration mess. It won't be a big problem, because you inspired me to do wind simulation as well. So it will be like 2 in 1 deal. But still I need to make my best effort. Not only to have like 2 separate effects per pedal. Maybe it would be better to have rumble abs and higher frequency transducer on traction loss\wheel slip. So those haptics won't interfere with one another, because, theoretically, in tight, quality pedals there should be some leak of transducer vibration from one pedal to another. Or, at the minimum, they won't be the same, which adds a bit to immersion. Or, if that leak will be not significant and each type of vibration will be like really noticeable from one another, then it will be possible to make something like back wheel slip and\or TC on acceleration pedal, and front wheel slip + abs on brake pedal. Where slip will be higher pitch transducers and tc/abs on motors. I'm beginner in the sim racing, so learning with that much information from the start could be really fun)

With the motors, it's not really about low frequency haptics for me. It's just getting them to rumble enough that I can feel it in my foot. I have noticed if I have too much power going to them, they can vibrate against the pedal and make noise, but by adjusting the strength up or down, I can mitigate the sound, but keep the feel. I feel like the transducers are quicker to give feedback. The motors take just a little time to spin up, but it still works for me. On my portable rig with PS4 and Simhub on wifi, the lag is more noticeable, especially the motors. Before I added the rumble motors, I had abs and traction loss going through the transducers, but it was hard to really tell what was what with other effects going. By putting abs on brake rumble motor, and traction loss on throttle, it helps pinpoint those effects, and by not having them on the transducers, it's easier to feel what they are doing with the other effects. The cool thing is with Simhub, you can customize however you want and play with different settings until you find what works for you.

@@DigitalRelay Shame to say, but in the end I went with simagic haptic reactors. I was a bit worried about harm that can cause all those longterm all-direction vibrations from either transducers or rumble motors, as well as compromises of both solutions. Simagic made specific "linear" motor which moves weight only in one axis, towards pedal pad and against it. So there's no sideways vibrations. And it has no observable latency(yt: sim racing corner showed that on slow mo) like other motors do(same yt channel tested that as well with "generic" solution). Plus it's very pronounce in frequency range that really matters for vibration 20-50Hz. Plus it's compact. So yeah, it has all goods of both worlds and none of their bads. Still bought booty shakers though)) For chair vibrations they're the best. Huge thanks to you for help. You made lots of interesting points that inclined me to search more and find simagic solution. I'll be happiest with it) Maybe you'll check em out too)

That's awesome! I liked them so much on my main rig that I did a smaller version on my folding sim rig wheel stand. Working on that video now.

It's been months now. I have not had to touch it since implementing this fix.

I'm on a call with my sister!!

I'm not sure what you mean. Everything is built on the Playseat Trophy cockpit. I've added bass shakers, wind sim and rumble pedals, but I did not do anything to add support. Hope that helps!

@@DigitalRelay sorry for my poor English. I mean I also have the trophy, but you use some thing probably rubber to not contact direct to the floor. I need something like that here to not scratch the cockpit or the floor. Thanks

Oh, no problem! I cut some rubber flooring into little squares and stacked 3 of them on each corner. I zip tied the stack of rubber squares to the bottom of the Trophy.

I don't play background music, but the audio interface/amplifier in this setup is dedicated to creating vibrations based on the Simhub effects only. If you have a separate audio output for listening to music already, this should have no affect on that output.

@@DigitalRelay very nice! Yes, I recently saw that the FOSI AUDIO SK02 headphone jack and the AUX jack at the back can output audio signals simultaneously. You can connect one to the amplifier and the other to the speaker or headphones to output music, which will enhance the scene experience.

That's great!

My gaming PC GPU was pretty weak so personally, that affected my iRacing graphics. But if you watch game capture footage on RUclips of GT7 and iRacing, GT7 graphics look much better to me.

I find griping about graphics in a sim game petty. If your racing your eyes are focused 100ft in front of you. Now in a Arcade racer like NfS or Forza horizon nice graphics make sense.

I think it has something to do with the chip they use. It happens to be compatible with the PS. I've tried Focusrite, Apogee, MOTU and Presonus and none of them worked.

@@DigitalRelay I did some digging since asking this and I found the answer: drivers. Some interfaces require a computer with the proper driver installed. Some don’t need a driver like your behringer. I haven’t looked for other brands yet but I’m going to try. I would’ve guessed driverless operation would be a feature for a more premium product. 🤷‍♂️ Thanks for the info 😊🤙

@@CapnFlags Good find!

I cut some squares of thick rubber mat, like the kind you'd find as flooring in a gym or something. I then used a couple of zip ties and double sided tape to secure to them to the bottom of the rig. It seems to work okay, but definitely could be better.

Yeah, it's a shame we have to come up with these workarounds

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I would go bass shakers first because you can still run wheel slip and wheel lock/ABS effects on them, although they won't be as precise and defined as rumble motors on each pedal. I recently started doing all these mods on my secondary portable rig. I went bass shakers first, then wind simulation, mostly because it's hot in Arizona and I wanted some airflow. Once the wind sim stuff is sorted, adding rumble motors to pedals is super simple.

@@DigitalRelay OK thank you!

Those titles are listed as supported by Simhub, but I don't see specific reference to PS5. Check it out here... www.simhubdash.com/supported-games/

Thank you! Have to admit, of all the simrig mods, this one is a little silly because it doesn't really match reality, but it is just another tactile feedback that gives you a little info about what's happening with the car and adds to the immersion. And yes, practically speaking, the airflow definitely makes a difference. Especially in AZ in summer!

Yes, from first time opening the game to unlocking Sport mode took me about 2 hours give or take. Good point.

I actually do have the load cell upgrade on my Fanatec rig. I also did the AXC Tru Brake mod on my G29 rig. Load cell FTW!

I think I'm gonna do wind simulation and rumble pedals on my portable wheel stand rig next, just cuz it's fun. :)

Yes, we should plan something! Life has just gotten real pesky lately.

Not very. I think I was in the low 26's maybe high 25's. But this was also back a few months and the track has gotten faster. I'm hoping to get out again soon.

@@DigitalRelay nice i think the track record is a 239 right now. my fastest is a 24.2. i think the karts have gotten slower the past month though.

Nice! I'll give VR another go someday. PSVR2 was impressive technology, but my eyes and brain didn't love it.

@13guns87 Since you race in VR both on PC and PS5, would you mind sharing your VR experience? I'm on an old PC (i7-7700k GTX1080) + Logitech DFGT wheel + HTC Vive from 2017. I'm buying PS5 soon (mainly for the upcoming GTA6). I'm wondering if getting GT7 + PSVR2 will enhance my VR racing experience. My wheel is not supported, so I'll use the PS5 controller. I'm interested in racing vs AI mostly and had lots of fun in VR on PC playing PC2, Dirt Rally 2, AC with mods and iRacing. Do you think it's worth buying PSVR2 + GT7 or I'm not missing out much playing on my old PC untill I buy a new one?

Yeah, the comments went sideways quickly. Thanks for watching!

Playseat Trophy

My expertise on Simhub is limited, but if you join the Simhub Discord, I'll bet someone there can help with your specific issues.

Amazon. There's a link in the video description.

There seems to be a disproportionate level of elitism within the iRacing crowd. The comment section of this video illustrate the point.

I just started playing btw, 50 hrs in so far.

Hahaha! There was a glitch in the game a couple of years ago that allowed you to get a free NSX GrB and a free engine swap ticket within a minute or two. They patched the glitch shortly after it was discovered, but the "free" cars and engine swaps stayed on your account. It was pretty wild.

I haven't tested it that way, but if it passes audio to headphones through the interface, it should also pass audio to the outputs that you plug your monitors into. Let me know.

Did you enter the PS4 or PS5 IP address into Simhub? If not, you need to go to network settings on your PS4 or PS5 and find out the IP address. Then in Simhub, under Game/Telemetry Config, you enter the IP address so Simhub knows where to listen for the data. If you enter the IP address and you still aren't getting data from GT7, you may need to verify the UPD ports match. I've noted to mess with those though.

​@@DigitalRelay, hi, thanks for feedback, that's right I said the ip address of ps5 in the simhub software, the problem is that the simagic p-hpr haptic does not turn on in the simhub software it stays off.

the simagic p-hpr haptic only turns on in the simhub software when I connect the pedals to the pc they turn on but when I connect the pedals to the base and via ps5 they turn off in the simhub software, this way the simhub software does not see the pedals

There is some setup involved. There are other videos out there that go into detail, but basically, in Simhub, you identify your Arduino and flash firmware to it. Then you'll need to enable effects and tune those effects. Check this video out... ruclips.net/video/7EAvur23FLk/видео.html

@@DigitalRelaywhat gauge wire did you use to run the lines from the arduino to the motors?

I think it was 24 gauge wire. I scavenged the wire from a dead AC/DC power supply. The wire was heavier than the tiny wires on the rumble motors.

@@DigitalRelay awsome yea i was wondering if i should find wire that small or if i go with heavier due to the increased length

Yeah, I think going heavier gauge is always safer, but I don't think there's too much power going to them. The one thing I would caution on is that if you're using rumble motors from a game controller, those are typically rated at 5v. On my rig, I'm using a 12v power supply because of the fans. I don't send the rumble motors full power, but I guess I'm risking burning them out because of the larger power supply. I figured I'd take that risk since those motors are pretty cheap and easy to source if I do burn them out. I've been running them this way since I published this video, no problems yet.

If you're using Simhub or similar software, you do NOT need an HDMI sound extractor. Simhub receives the telemetry data, then uses that data to trigger the effects going to the Nobsound interface/amp, which feeds the transducers. I think an HDMI audio extractor would only be used in a simple system where you were basically using the transducers as subwoofer for the TV sound. This would give you some bass shaker effect, but you'd have almost no control over it. If you are using Simhub, have control over each effect. For example, if you had 4 bass shakers, one on each corner of your rig, you could make it so when simhub detects wheel spin, you it triggers only the rear bass shakers. You also can use the frequency setting to help differentiate different effects. You also get to control volume/balance. So if you wanted brake lockup to trigger just your front left bass shaker, you can do that. In a nutshell, Simhub does not use any game or TV audio. It's actually generating its own audio signal, but the purpose of the bass shaker is to feel the vibration rather than hear an audible sound. Although, the nature of making vibrations on your rig is likely to be heard. I hope that makes sense.

So if I understand you correctly, its a usb output from the "laptop/computer" that is running sim hub directly to the usb input on the amp? This may just be easier than I first thought.

@@quintondafel225 Yes, that's correct. The Simhub PC just needs a USB connection to the nobsound interface/amp.

Thanks so much for the tips mate. Ill give it a go this weekend and see how i track. Excited to get it all packaged and working