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86 kg :)

Nice, I’m 95 kg on Cruzader 7´0 xl and I struggle taking off on the Véloce HDW 1050

@@TheGrostotom 95 kg is a lot more than 86 and, and my Board with almost 8 is way longer than yours at 7! What Foils where you just to before? I'll order the 1050 as well!

CurveH 3XL 🤣 big step down

@@TheGrostotom Oh boy thats a huge huge huge step down :D Takes some time to paddle up smaller things! I had the Veloce XLH before, which was similar in volume but bigger in surface, so I already had experience to paddle that up...

try a konrad front foil LX

I'm not sure honestly. I think for this day again I would prefer the higher top speed and less drag when being relatively fast. However if it would be a tiny bit smaller I would needed a bigger foil i think. Its a hard compromise. But i really want to get used to the smaller front wings, I think with choosing the right line it can be easier to ride something small as its simply fast enough to stay in the energy...

Would you prefer German? :D

@@leo-stief 🙏

Ich war am selben Tag der Downwind Session mit dem S Wingen, und das macht echt Spaß. Habe 40 kmh erreicht bei Wind ohne Schaumkronen. Das Ding geht also schon gut ab, ich werde viel Wingen gehen mit dem!

Vielen Dank, klingt gut, werde mir wohl auch den HDW in S holen😊 Aber Stab Grösse S, ist der nicht zu klein? Klingt superloose😅

Moin, der Gong HM Mast ist im Fuse Fit sowohl länger als auch breiter als AXIS. Es ist also leider nicht möglich mit einem Adapter wie von Axis auf Gong einfach den Mast in die Fuse zu stellen. Dein Adapter müsste dann nach Oben aus der Black Fuse heraus und zur Seite aufbauen. Falls du so einen Baust gib unbedingt mal ein Update würde mich interessieren ob das (praktikabel) funktioniert! :)

@@leo-stief Danke für die Rückmeldung, hab mich dagegen entschieden einen Adapter für den Mast zu machen, da dieser den Vorteil des dünnen Mastprofils zu Nichte machen würde. Hab jetzt vorerst einen Adapter gemacht der die Fuse mit dem Flügel verbindet und der funktioniert tiptop. Kann hier leider keine Links einfügen ohne dass der Kommentar direkt gelöscht wird, aber ich kann dir die Doku dazu via Insta zukommen lassen.

Stier 🐂🐂🐂🐂

Danke! :) Bin gespannt wann wir den ersten Run zusammen fahren!

Sehr gerne :) Ist echt echt geil das neue Zeug

Thanks for the comment :) I used it on the veloce v3 M stab. Seems like a very good combo. However when I'm ordering the HDW L soon, I will keep on using the Veloce v3 S Stab on it

@@leo-stief thank you very much for the answer 🥳

Ohhhh yeah, I'm excited to see which Foils you will be on soon :D

Thanks Bro :)

Jaa ich habe mich auch schon gewundert dass noch niemand was hochgeladen hat :D V3 ist auf jeden Fall teurer geworden, aber das Material hat sich auch echt verbessert im vergleich dazu was GONG vor paar Jahren hatte und die neuen Foils sind auf jeden Fall härter herzustellen. Ich bin mit dem Preis immer noch mehr als zufrieden, bei Code hätte ich grad mal so einen gleich großen Frontwing kaufen können, für den Preis für GONG v3 Mast und Veloce HDW zusammen :D

finally was schnelles :))

@@leo-stief yes, macht auf alle Fälle Sinn was kleines zu haben!!

He means the state when you are still on the water with the board. With narrow DW Boards the foil provides the main stability that is necessary to balance the board. The further the foil is away from the Board, the more stable it feels. In flatwater it does not matter that much, but with waves from different directions, backwash and currents forming it does get quite challenging.

@patrickheider completely true!

@@patrickheider thx for the claification for a non-super :)

@@leo-stief 72 mast? 82 mast? Which one will help? Is it 82 mast?

Thanks mate! There will be more soon, had a lot to do recently but there is slowly more time again :) I'm using the AXIS 1201 a lot recently and now I'm transitioning all to Gong I think. The new Veloce HDW is exactly what i wanted so i will order it in the bigger sizes as well and then se my AXIS 1201 probably to be all on GONG :D I still love the Leviathan but I sold it as i did not use it once this year. I'm allways paddling nowadays, no more pumping...

@@leo-stief thank you for the update. sounds interesting. Do you think that the Veloce HDW also work for pumping/dockstarting?

With the rigth size of foil it works like a charm :)

You're very welcome :) Just wait for strong wind and you should be good to go!

Hallo Rebecca, das Video ist schon relativ alt und ich habe das Hydrofoil.de Zeugs mittlerweile bestimmt 2 Jahre nicht mehr angefasst :) Mir würde der Wavecatcher heute auf jeden Fall besser gefallen als der Dockstarter. Den Lakemaster kenne ich noch garnicht und habe ihn somit nie getestet :) Allgemein favorisiere ich jetzt aber auf jeden Fall andere Foils/ Marken. Aktuell viel Axis aber ich wechsle jetzt fast komplett zurück auf Gong.

Moin, auf dem See gibts glaube ich kein zu großes Foil! Besser viel zu groß und unbeweglich als so klein dass der Stallspeed zu hoch ist! Den 1201 zum Beispiel hätte ich an dem Tag auf dem See auf jeden Fall nicht fahren können, großer Leviathan hätte bestimmt funktioniert. Viel Spaß beim testen! Da kommt bestimmt bald mal richtig Wind auf dem See vorbei :)

Für Downwinder auf dem Meer brauchst du dann auf jeden Fall kleinere Foils, aber ich würde auf jeden Fall sagen dass es auf dem See super funktionieren sollte!

Depending on the waves, your weigth and surf/ foil skills. the Curve Mt is not a bad choice! Has plenty of lift for its size, pumps relatively easy and is easy to steer. I used the Curve XLH a fair bit and it was nice for the first few sessions but at a certain point it was simply to lifty for takeoffs when waves where bigger than 2 foot. Now I'm using a below 1000 and it comes up more then eraly enough most of the time.I would recommend to get used to one setup to really get comfy on it. Let me know about conditions, weigth and skill, then meaybe i can give you a clearer recommendation, however I'm also not a pro Surf Foiler, so my advice is probably biased and other will advice differently :)

@@leo-stief thanks for the reply! I really love your content Leo! So more info: Weight: 70kg Skill: surfing since many years (intermediate level I would say). Surf foiling I have 7 or 8 sessions. I can get up and fly for a couple of seconds often I fall off quickly but sometimes I manage to ride it until I lose speed and touch the water again. I can’t pump at all yet. I was thinking of getting a front wing with more surface area because I guess then it’s easier to pump? I’m looking at the gong xover but that only has either L 1300 (probably not much difference to my current 1150) or XL 1650cm2 which feels like it might be too much? Hmm but yeah I would love to surf foil on days with very very small waves so maybe 1650cm2 mounted at the back of the board is okey for that. I’m also excited about the new gong NOTW and Scura. I’m on a 5.0” lance now and catching small small waves is difficult. I think with a 6,8” NOTW and xl xover I would be able to catch very small stuff the question is: is it easier or harder to learn pumping on these bigger longer boards. Do you have experience with that?

In actually parked just a few minutes away from aviles salinas where u surfed in the other video from you :)

@@FabiodeSaldanha Thanks Fabio, i love that people like the stuff i put up haha! Okay based on your weigth and surf skill I would first of all say, trust the process! After 8 Sessions I could not do shit, and I could pump perfectly in flat water before. I think it took me like 20 Sessions or so to be able to pump out of the wave and to ride a bit more consistent. And they were 20 long long sessions. The real break through for me came later on when I had another 4 weeks in mellow conditions with small waves. So my latest Surf Foil Video is basically me after consistent 2 months of a session everyday... It really takes time to get good... For the Equipment: I would suggest to stay in the L range of Foils with Gong, the XL will probably be to lifty for 70kg, making the take of way harder when it lifts before you pop up. A bigger Front wing does defenitely make your life easier for pumping! But Surface Area is not everything, and it comes with a huge downgrade in speed and controllability in the wave. My Advice would be to go for something like the Curve H in L. Its big enough to pump good, yet still turny and not too lifty for takeoffs. Generally High Aspect Foils Pump better. In the beginning its a bit weird to get used to them, but once you are, they are simply more fun in the surf as they can keep up a certain speed and don't require much power to pump. I'm very confident in saying that you can pump the Curve H L longer in the surf than the X-Over XL, as the X Over is way more draggy. And its important to have low drag in the wave and to keep the speed up in order to get out of the wave efficiently. The X Over XL migth get up to speed, but as sonn as your not in the perfect spot anymore it will slow down immediatly, requiring energy to keep up, whilst a High Aspect Foil will most likely just glide on. I hope this helps with the Foil Choice! I would not recommend to go too High Aspect, for example I love the new Veloce HDW now (have the s 750 sqcm) but without proper proper pump technique the thing is a nightmare to get used to... With proper technique it's simply beautiful as all the drag is gone. For the board: smaller board is easier to pump! Yet, bigger board is way easier to get going. I prefer easier to get going over better pump still to be able to surf ultra micro waves. Your current size is perfect I would say! good compromise between long efficient to paddle and not too long to make it too hard to pump. Hope this helps! Let me know if you have further questions! :)

@@FabiodeSaldanha Awesome! Its truly the perfect spot for learning there!!!! Wish I was there rigth now haha

Awesome! For me this project opened a whole world of working with composite materials : )

True haha

It was not mine so I'm not sure but I think it was the red crazy short :)

Hey man, thanks! There will be more content soon :) I would have preferred the Leviathan 1350 for this day, but didn't have it with me at the time being. It would work fantastically! I'm now at a point where I usually don't use it for downwinders any more, as the AXIS 1201 is my new ligth wind wing, but I would choose the Leviathan 1350 anytime again to learn the paddle up and to get the first experiences downwinding. It's definitely too slow to keep up with good wind swell, but getting up is more important than being fast in the beginning!

@@leo-stief Thanks, good info! I also have the new Sabfoil 1260 coming, which should be faster once I get more experience.

@@DeadriseFoilboards Uhhh let me know how it goes please :D I wanted to test it since they announced it but no one here ordered it yet...

@@leo-stief I absolutely will let you know. Our windy wavy season is fast approaching here in the Canadian Great Lakes!

Thanks man! :) There will be more content soon, had a lot to do recently but will have some time to edit everything from the past half year or so very soon :D

Yeah its not all Maui conditions :D Good question! As the wind is always very very gusty here, probably on a day thats like 16 kn base to 30 kn gusts or so. From Winging on days with max of 25 kn gusts with perfect direction south west wind, I unfortunately already know that its not enough to fly free when gusts don't exceed 25 kn. So I'll try again once it reaches the 30 kn Treshold I think :)

I've been winging the Templiner See already! Its a nice spot as well :)

@@leo-stief Great! I am pump foiling at the Rudergesellschaft dock mostly tuesdays, fridays and saturdays. Sometimes also on Sundays. Maybe we can meet up. i would love to get some feedback from you. You inspired me to start with foiling :)

Den will ich auch auf jeden Fall nochmal ausprobieren! Vor allem würde der Müggelsee bei jeder WIndrichtung gut funktionieren :DD

Nice, how much fetch does your lake have? Steady 20 kn sounds reasonable, here 20 kn ground wind mostly means 35 in the gusts so basically exactly like in the video's conditions. Yeah the Vampire Boards are sick, light and sturdy! How long can you go when always taking the foil assist upwind as well?

5 km with a dam at the end. I did not measure yet but upwind is indeed eating the battery

Thanks, glad the information can help, have fun in the bay! :)

Moin, ich kann dir leider keine direkte Empfehlung aus dem aktuellen SAB Lineup geben, da ich die alle nie getestet habe. Die Videos von Damien Leroy zu Downwindern auf SAB sahen aber vielversprechend aus fand ich! Der Leviathan ist leider echt zu langsam sobald ein kleines wenig Energie im Wasser ist. Ich fand es aber super mit dem zu lernen weil er einfach einfacher rauskommt. Wenn du den easy rausgepaddelt bekommst würde ich sagen, Zeit auf ein kleineres Foil zu gehen :)

Its Playa de Salinas in Asturias, northern Spain :) But it was mostly not that small when we visited :D

@@leo-stief cool anyways, I plan a Malaga trip next spring, but that's another coast. You do really amazing foil surfing videos. I've never thought of using it that way!