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No Mormons do not worship the prophet, Mormons worship God

They took all the old, beautiful pioneer art and architecture out of the Logan Temple in the 70s. Ruined it completely.

oh ffs the "you mr prophet wouldn't lead those little ones astray right?" "ooh nooo the prophet loves you(!)" is just sickening 🤮

Chad Daybell was excommunicated . Don’t know about Lori.

Matt Harris calls them by their name… Gordon Hinckley, Spencer Kimball, Russell Nelson…

Rebecca... I love you but... calm down. Slowwwww it down. Relax. ❤

No in principle; but, in practice they absolutely do.

If Jesus wouldn't have been such a rebel apostate maybe he would have lived to be 100 then we would celebrate him. But also he would not have made changes to the church at that time and would have been just another guy going along with the dominant practices 2000 yrs ago.

Well should have waited for the next slide.

Rebecca's description of Follow the profit is what I call North Korea tactics because they have their kids sing songs of Kim Jung Un.

Bottom line, RMN is what invited me to leave the church. He was not someone I wanted to follow and could not accept. He repulsed me. I could no longer disregard my inner voice

LMAO! Love Jon Streeter. TOTAS

Great episode. You all gave me new perspectives on things I wouldn’t have thought about. Can’t believe so many people have fallen for this religion. Blows my mind.

Yeah! Deseret and the local bishops push those inane books like mandatory heroin. [Do they sell proffitt effluvium for fertilizing four-ft-sq. Doomsday gardens? Feed 100 people a week.]

Outstanding evisceration of the idiotic FAIR arguments. Also superb showing Oaks lying (he did, we all know it) and thus securing himself as a TK Smoothie. Liars, in the D&C only get telestial, dickless glory....

They worship mammon, the profit, and trump. They may pretend otherwise but their actions consistently show this is what they actually follow.

"ONLY THE GOOD DIE YOUNG."

Commenting to help.

Is it any wonder we DONT leave the F*CKING church alone?! This is so heinous. Oaks and his lawyer speak disgusts me entirely. The hypocrisy is over the top with that a$$hole.

WTF??????? Taking pics of kids to use in their program?!? There needs to be some god damned lawsuits!!!!!!!!! BYU needs to be disbanded and tore down

In Germany, it still used to be angel moroni signs. But I double checked and found that it has changed to crosses as well.

September 22 is the autumn equinox!

“He doesn’t have the power.” 😂 He most certainly does have the power. And many active members seem to forget about these verses in the Bible: James 1:13-16 "And remember, when you are being tempted, do not say, “God is tempting me.” God is never tempted to do wrong, and he never tempts anyone else". How is blaming God for the evil/untoward choices/policies of prophets any different than blaming God for tempting them to do evil? Shameful. On a side note, Rebecca I half-wonder if you might have been my primary pianist because I had the same songs and lessons and we did add verses to the prophet songs!

The church leaders can't both claim to speak for god and also admit they were wrong about something members point out. It is a position that renders them completely inflexible.

They ARE ziggurats! Across the earth in patterns visible from sattelites.

My husband’s grandmother, born and raised in Germany during WWII, she came over to the US with her husband and 4 kids- and she remembered the Hitler song until the day she died at 96.

A song that came to my mind long before I lost faith in the church was: Bunko Mormon stories that my teacher tells to me... lol my subconscious was trying to tell me something.

(Peru and tithe-enforcement story) Well, THAT WOULD BE ONE HOT ROAD-APPLE, wouldn't it? [which does not mean it should be surprising.] Just realized how this "collection" or firing or repurcussions are JUST LIKE THE OLD GANGSTER DAYS! 🔥

I am trying to find the whole interview where Oaks said criticism of the leaders is not accepted. I've seen that very short snippet where he says that, but I haven't seen the whole conversation. Can anyone share a link to it?

This is such a great episode to help see how messed up the corporation is.

I also don’t remember Jesus ever referring to himself as president Jesus

You guys are so AWESOME!!!

Excellent presentation!

When RMN became prophet, TBM me was really uncomfortable with everyone worshiping him, and his ego was off-putting. Also, how come we don't celebrate Joseph Smith's birthday every year?

Oh so happy to see cultural hall here. I love his content. So clever.

The wizard 😂😂😂☠️

Very interesting about Nelson referencing himself many times and only five past prophets in the last five years! And old prophets at that. Wow!

I honestly don't understand why there is such a strong association between the prophet and "We Thank Thee, O God, for a Prophet." Besides the first stanza, there is no mention of the prophet. After that, it's just standard fire and brimstone last days Mormonism ("The wicked who fight against Zion will surely be smitten at last")

The little kids already doing the creepy voice. 😮😬😳

One of the local leaders once mentioned that "the brethren" prefer being addressed as brothers. That perfectly aligned with my understanding of our spiritual brotherhood, and I kept referring to them as brother so and so ever since - much better than elder or president.

The picture of RMN with hands extended reminded me of the Pope. Creepy

I dated a man who was taught he couldn't remove his suit jacket unless the presiding leader had removed his first. Sounds like something Jesus would expect 🙄

Landon's comments about infallibility is spot on 27:23

Enjoying this discussion. So, when the leaders announced that the Lord would not let them lead the church astray, will remove them instead - Why is it always interpreted as by death? Hasn't God revealed to the prophet any procedures to impeach one, or retire - at least out of mercy ?) I really doubt Nelson is still "unleashed" these days, but of course everything is hidden from the public. Will be curious to see if he even makes it to the general conference this weekend.

30 years ago it took an apostle to preside at a groundbreaking.

It occurred to me at a reenactment event that Praise To the Man was almost to the tune of Scotland the Brave.

46:37 I find it so sad that TOTAS has gone so completely anti-trans rights. Almost every single video of his anymore are just far right dog whistles.

If only nelson knew that the bottle lid was un recyclable. Lol.

Similarly to the Mormon Church in its behavior toward its Prophets, the North Koreans definitely have an ongoing, multi-generational cult of personality for the entire Kim dynasty. Starting with the founder of Communist North Korea, Kim Il Sung, his son Kim Jong Il, and his grandson, Kim Jon Un. Each is known under a specific title, including Supreme Leasers for the founder, Dear Leader for his son and Glorious Leaser for the grandson. All citizens must compete with each other for their enthusiasm during the leader’s speeches or other exhortations, and for their tears and hysteria when one of them dies. Similarly, there was a cult of personality with alike behavior on the part of both ordinary citizens and military and higher level officials during the era of the Cummunist Soviet Union during the era of the despotic leader Joseph Stalin. It might thus be said that both Communism and the despotic leaders of these countries were and are worshipped and praised in a truly cultish way, in like manner as the Mormons worship and venerate their prophets.

In my experience the only other instance in which one is expected to stand is when one is a diplomat and the Ambassador, any Ambassador or former Ambassador enters the room. This is done to respect the President of the United States in whose stead the Ambassador serves and represents.