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Road users (of all kinds) with cameras doing things just for content reasons? How can you possibly be so cynical? /s

'Cyclist is setting them up in my opinion'. Just like the girl wearing a short skirt late at night? There's a message in this somewhere but the way you frame it is fucking horrible Ashley. If you get points and fines from being reported it's because YOU DID SOMETHING DANGEROUS. It's as simple as that, and it doesn't matter what the cyclist's intentions were. Unfortunately I'm going to have to stop watching these videos because I can't stand how triggered you are by a tiny handful of unpleasant cyclists on social media.

Sorry to double tap but the amount of cyclists below not getting the lesson horrifies me. The people that drive aggresive up your rear are the ones that will force you into the curb the moment they have an inch. NEVER give them that inch, give them 2m when it is safe to do so. Giving an inch is an invitation. I wouldnt advise this to amateur cyclists, its harder for them to keep with the flow, my advice to amateurs is ride path. "Be part of the traffic", be seen. Ty Ashley, more.

Perfect ashley. Put much better than ive been trying. And the amount of people below saying this is bad does shock me from your viewers

Regardless of the cyclists decision to go secondary, as a driver I'm still not going to pass if it's not safe to do so, because I'm an adult and take responsibility for my actions as a driver. So no, if you take the lifestyle choice as a driver to pass a cyclist too close just because they took secondary, then rightly you may land up being prosecuted.

I rarely ride on multi lane roads. It’s too dangerous and you can’t control the behaviour of cars which are likely to pass at 60+ mph. Switching frequently between secondary and primary in this situation just adds to the danger when bad drivers come up to pass. And yes, there are a lot of bad drivers that don’t give a sh*t about pesky cyclists.

Whenever you try out cycling in the Netherlands - which I can only encourage - please don't cycle with this mentality. We've got lots of roads without segregated cycle paths and this is not the way to go I feel.

What a load of tosh . Cycling in secondary still means someone passing has to pass a cyclist in a safe manner and ONLY when it is safe to do so . There is a inference when someone holds a drivers license that they understand this basic information as contained in the Highway code . Stop giving your opinion and stick to stating facts .

Absolutely. When you pay attention long enough and begin to recognise how they approach circumstances, particularly at the same point over multiple videos, the pattern that emerges is they always appear to be i the wrong position for maximum content. Silvio Diego is a prime example. Therees a junction in Brixton where he repeatedly takes lane 3 on a right turn and changes to lane 1(bus lane) going round to create conflict in traffic turning right from lane 2 to lane 2. Sad truth is whether its people highlight errors of the victim cult seeking validation, its all just clicks.

I had one a couple of weeks ago. I was riding along a A road for short distance before turning into a narrow country lane. There was a bend coming up just about where the narrow country Lane started. I was being followed by a lorry and I knew that he was going to overtake me or possibly overtake me. So I signaled early and moved out and you could clearly hear his engine back off as he realized what's the point of overtaking. If he had of overtake in me there was the possibly of someone coming around the corner so I looked after myself. Shortly after on the narrow country lane I saw a van coming up behind me so I picked up my speed a little bit and drove up to the point where some people have moved in and made like a little lay by/ passing place and then I gave way, I stopped and the van went past me and give me a nice very little toot, a thank you. Why do people ride down a narrow country lane for 5 miles with a car behind and then moan when they try to overtake in frustration. Look after yourself on the road tell people what you're doing and protect yourself. I have lights on my bike forward and back and I put them on like daylight runners. I have no intentions of driving in the dark but they're there to wake people up that there's a cyclist ahead more than a yellow fluorescent jacket in my belief. I purchased a light for my rear of my bike which is a little different. It's bright but it flashes red then blue red then blue and I thought that would make people think a little bit when they see it or to get me to be seen.

Most drivers understand cyclists can and should take primary sometimes, but there’s a significant and intimidating minority who view this as cyclists being selfish or entitled and then drive aggressively as a reaction. It’s not easy being in the right when you’ve got some nutjob on your back wheel tailgating and beeping their horn.

Hey Ashley, I hope someone can clarify this for me. In Canada, where I cycle, if I tried to move in and out of secondary, I'd get honked at and hit because they would say I NEED to stay on the side of the kerb. How does one handle that, pragmatically?

Let's face it, cyclists are a bloody nuisance because they are so vulnerable. If they don't care about their safety, who will? They can make a "point" about their entitlement if they want, but they are the ones who will lose out in a collision with tonne of metal travelling at 30 mph.

gosh all this pavement parking

Are you talking about CyclingMikey? 🇿🇼🚳

there is one thing in your demonstration here which i think is misleading. you are riding an e-bike your speed matches the traffic quite well. a pedal cyclist will be going quite a bit slower. you are less likely to get an impatient driver force pass whilst you are in primary . however i agree with your message here, when i ride secondary i am making a conscious indication that i am happy with you passing.

From time to time here, on the main A4 road….we see a man or a woman, peddling like mad - but moving very slowly. It may look amusing but as this is the main A4…the tailback of traffic it causes goes on for what seems like forever. I’ve been stuck in the traffic caused by this several times so far….usually where the road straightens you can spot the cyclist peddling for all their worth up in the distance…but actually going very slowly. Can anyone explain why they are cycling in the wrong gear the whole time?

a car will drive down the literal middle of the road to avoid speed bumps, but complain when a cyclist takes primary.

Oh dear. Ash trying to instil some common sense and basic roadcraft into bikeys, has really stirred them up. What is it with bikeys? They somehow think because other road users either make mistakes or are idiots, it somehow justifies all lawless riding by bikeys. Just think if bikeys actually played nicely with other road users and used a bit of give & take, there would not be this hatred towards them, so when controlling the situation, as Ash is describing here, other road users would be more accepting and not just think the bikey is being a stereotypical arrogant selfish entitled bikey.

We used to have "Public Information Films" on the TV all the time, telling people about stuff like the Green Cross Code and the dangers of leaving lit cigarettes. This thing with bikes going in primary and secondary position is clearly the sort of thing that should be shown on TV on a regular basis. Maybe motorists could put themselves in the mindset of a cyclist if someone in the public information films was saying: * Are they preparing for the hazzard of a junction? * Are they preparing for the hazzard of a side road? * Do they need to avoid the "door zone" of parked cars? * Are they about to turn right? And the public information film should also address cyclists too: * Are you keeping up with the flow of the traffic? * Is the traffic ahead of you pulling away? * Is it safe for you to drop to secondary position so that you can invite some vehicles to overtake you? * Do you have enough space to invite an overtake, before you need to go back into primary position? If they kept showing this sort of thing on the TV, and discussing various aspects of it, I think they could start to get the behavior expected by the Highway Code across. I think that road planning officers could also do a lot to improve any dangerous junctions over the years. If we improve road layouts, we can have the road tell the road users how to use it.

Its not entrapment drivers should know the rules of the road and when to stay back invited or not. If the bike cycled off a clif should the car follow because theres no need for observation anymore. And also everyone thinks they're Arnie in a car full of horn and mouth. I see people crying about cycleists darting on and off curbs but as long as your careful i dont see the harm, im not sticking round for drivers abuse tbh and i find it funny because we cant be on the road were in they're way but cant be on the curb because pedestians yet where i live not 1m of bike lane anywhere. Realisticly more to do with your specific video cars need to really learn the rules of the road and be taught to be less agressive or stricter punishment for such behavior. I mean if the driver is at no fault why are these ameboas smashing the horn and shouting obceniteys even when im in the right place in the road. Driving in briton is a money game. People learn how to drive for two years get a licence and think balls to that then proceed to do what they like. The british driver should be shown under oxford definition of hypocrite.

If you’re in secondary, it is not a guidance for drivers to come past. Drivers have to assess for themselves. There are experienced confident cyclists, but there are plenty that are not, who will not take primary where close passes really wreck confidence

If the video given to police is putting a fault on an overtaking vehicle, then the overtake was wrong. That's bloody simple! Just because I "gave you way" by moving left it doesn't mean you should pass me unsafe. The way you reason here would justify some inexperienced/hesitant cyclist to be in primary at all times and it (by this logic) would be OK? Reality check. It's not black and white.

I tend to think it's up to drivers to decide whether it's safe to overtake me or not and they nearly always get it right. On a winding country lane the opportunities might have passed in the second it takes for me to move to the left and for the driver to realise I am inviting an overtake. The only time I move into the centre of the the road is when an attempted overtake would positively endanger my life, if I'm about to turn right or am approaching yellow bollards in the middle of the road, for example.

But if they take primary when they approach an intersection, how could they possibly get to the front so they can hold everyone up after the lights change?

For motorists doing a close pass is a bit like speeding, both are a choice they make and both can get them points and a fine.

Cycling in secondary is not entrapment. Sorry Ashley but this video is sending the wrong message.

Okay so i just went out for a long cycle on some rural roads to implement this. Most of the passes were aokay up until the very end. I was approaching a roundabout and took primary and a great big honking SUV passes within a metre of me into the roundabout. Felt quite nasty tbh. And this is my problem with it, people will bully you regardless.

Doing it for content and inviting people to jeopardize their own safety? Or maybe you are the type to make speculations of a conspiracy and defamatory nature?

I love that Ashley things the standard of driving around cyclists in the uk is so good that cam cyclists have to trick drivers into endangering them so they can get footage...

There are lots of good and 'fine' riders out there, but... There are definitely 'characters' like Jeremy Vine that 'entrap' intentionally for clicks. There are also plenty that are belligerent to the extent that they 'dare' other road users to act badly. There are also plenty that appear to enjoy being outraged and indignant and take that with them on their rides. There are also plenty that just ride badly and frustrate others into bad behaviour. There are also plenty that let their egos and self-righteousness put them in bad situations. Etc. Cyclists are humans and humans, these days more and more, appear to behave like entitled children even at the risk of their lives, especially if they can get TikTok clicks out of it...

3:20 If the police deem the reported overtakes as dangerous, whose fault is it? If you have a problem with the decision of the police to issue fines, that would make a great explainer video. As you say 5:15 "Motorists have a choice", if a motorist for whatever reason chooses to go past dangerously then they are at fault. Riding in secondary doesn't mean a motorist can go past dangerously even if the cyclist is waving to come past. Motorists should judge for themselves whether it is safe to go past. Just like one should judge for themselves whether it is safe to emerge from a junction and not depend on someone giving way by flashing their lights. I use primary myself when the road ahead makes it unsafe to overtake. It does seem to wind up drivers more and won't prevent the near death overtakes from happening (like going in between me and a another road user coming the other way). The majority of drivers I meet on the road drive safely and courteously. They can judge whether it is safe to go past irregardless if I'm riding in primary or secondary.

It might be an age thing, the only formal cycle training I ever did was cycle proficiency at school in the eighties, and we were only ever taught to ride just beyond the edge of the drain covers. Once you've grown up being taught one thing, changing that can be a little tricky.

when I was cycling to school in the 1960s, I used to love it when a bus or lorry came by as they used to 'suck' me along, helping me get up hills etc. This applies only to those drivers who pass us mindfully, not the selfish idiots who cut us up!

Riding in primary is very difficult and stressful because crazy angry drivers total lose there s**t when they see cyclists in this position and use the vehicle to terrorise the cyclist

Agree. My only concern is that some drivers will pass even if you're in primary! It's dangerous because they pass so closely and some even deliberately swerve toward you to reprimand you for "blocking the road." Others won't pass but blare their horn at you. So when you're in primary, you're still dangerously passed sometimes and you receive more horn honks than when you're in secondary. That's why some cyclists prefer secondary, as a hedge against careless and inconsiderate drivers.

This is a bad take. It's a drivers responsibility to ensure there s enough space to safely overtake. Period. A cyclist isn't "asking for it" for being in secondary position.

It doesn't matter if you are riding in primary or secondary. If a car decides to overtake you, then they need to give adequate space or not overtake. If you ride in secondary it doesn't mean you are fair game for a close pass. So of course they should still be reported. No it's not entrapment. If they are passing closely, it doesn't matter if you are primary or secondary. It's a close pass all the same. It's on the driver to pass safely. isn't this obvious?

I've been riding since I was 7, and using roads alone since I was 10. I only heard the terms "primary" and "secondary" in relation to road position when I was 32/33. This needs to be a part of the driving test, so that everyone understands why riders take the positions that they do.

I feel like I'm being told I'm a second class citizen. If I cycle in primary I'm deliberately getting in the way but if I choose secondary I'm now trying to entrap motorists!! We'd be much safer on the pavements when in a dangerous situation in urban areas. The problem for the cyclist is that though we were once the dominant form of wheeled transport (later than you might think and maybe still are in some parts of the world) we were forced from the pavemnets on to roads where we are now at best considered a nuisance. (Some cyclists are too reckless to be allowed on the pavements but aren't the million uninsured drivers a much bigger problem that the press seem to have neglected?)

One could argue that riding in primary is entrapment as you're encouraging susceptible drivers to get angry and make a worse pass than they would if you were in secondary.

I watched this video last night, so decided to try it this morning cycling back from the park. Only 4 minutes of the journey was on the actual road, in primary position, 2 lanes for the whole route. I had 2 drivers beep at me and one of them their passenger wound down their window and shouted abuse. Both cars were in the other lane while they did it, neither were slowed down in the slightest. We can cycle in whichever way we feel is safest, but until attitudes and culture change, the roads won't ever be safer for cyclists.

I understand what you are saying about using Secondary to signal other road users that it''s OK to pass, and Primary to signal that it isn't, but some of my anti-bike "friends" complain that cyclists are "blocking" when they use Primary. These riding positions make perfect sense, but motorists are completely ignorant about it and bluster about being held up. Drivers like this will still try to squeeze past even through a junction or by a traffic island, to punish the rider as much as anything. I've written elsewhere that bad motorists on two and four wheels regard junctions as an opportunity to overtake, and even more so when a bicycle is involved. I try to educate those friends of mine, but they just won't have it...

What a terrible message to give your viewers, I cycle and I drive. I rarely get close passed when driving but it is a near daily occurrence when cycling. A lot of cyclists ride left or in secondary because they are not confident enough to command the road, it says nothing about their willingness to be overtaken. You overtake only when it is safe to do so and it is the overtakers responsibility to do so safely. The message should be drive safely and you will have nothing to fear. Cyclists are not this powerful group who are forcing car drivers to overtake them by simply moving to the left. Remember you will always get to your destination, as long as you are not dead.

I ride pretty much identically to Ashley. If the road is narrowing, dangerous to pass from behind, I take up primary. When its OK for cars to pass, I take secondary and thank them.

I remember councils would sweep up the kerbs back in the day, now riding to avoid all the crap that accumulate there, that could well put me in a primary position but so be it !!! Drivers do exactly what they want these days !!

Painted ‘cycle lanes’ in the gutter suggest cycle riders should be there all the time even when there is no cycleway. I take primary in city traffic and at a speed to match vehicular speed yet i’ve been intentionally rammed out of the way on more than one occasion, overtaken when signalling and positioned in good time to turn right, honked at when making a right turn, verbally abused, missiles thrown at me, driven at by oncoming vehicles swerving onto the wrong side of the road, vehicles driven at me in a segregated cycle lane, cut in front of approaching junctions and pulled out on requiring drastic avoiding action on my part. Cycle positional theory is great but some of those in cars JDGAF about other peoples safety when faced with a body on a bike. I don’t run cameras either so I’m not looking for social media content or conflict, just a person trying to get to where I am going.

Since July this year the police have taken action against over 80 drivers from evidence submitted. A good quantity of them happened while taking primary ahead of traffic islands, at junctions and on solid double white lines ! The idea that car drivers are being entrapped is a ridiculous turn of phrase. You either drive in accordance with the rules, laws and guidelines of the Highway Code or you don't. Drivers who close pass cyclists are the same drivers that go through red lights, use right turn only lanes at traffic lights to go straight forward, cut drivers up on roundabouts, fail to stop at zebra crossings and speed past schools. They are bad drivers and should be called out for being bad drivers.

Close pass nearly 50% of the time, people BOMBING down the outside lane to cut me up on roundabout's. Yes I have a gopro on my bike but the police do nothing when I send evidence. I am also insured due to the amount of stupid and crazy driving I witness.

2:03 Ashley, when you were in lane 1 in primary position and saying “people shouldn’t be overtaking me as I’m coming through this junction” does that include lane 2? I’m unclear.