Hi Ashley. Many thanks for the very honest and respectable review of my clips. Rest assured no red lights were jumped in any of the clips. That section of bike lane is a nightmare. I often consider just riding in the road as I belive it might be safer and give me less hazards to consider. The final clip, you were very correct, the road surface is terrible and I was mainly avoiding the pot holes. The other issues were the big planters that obscure the road and the parked cars in the outer lane. It a 2 lane 1 way road. So I try and give drivers the option to use the outside lane but those planters make it difficult sometimes. What you can't see in the clip, was when I stopped he purposely drove at me. I wish I just held back after his first pass, but initially he was in the outside lane and thought he would go. Every day is a lesson. Thanks again Ashley for great review.
Thank you for sharing your clips for us all to see. Some good considerate road use there which makes a pleasant change from some clips we see Keep it up and take care out there 👍
The first 2 clips are just bad road lay out and you will always need to be slow and give way but that last clip he didn't make a over take no biggie the was space so he literally closed passed you for no reason he is scum
The driver of the white vehicle in the last clip appears to be the type of driver triggered by cyclists regardless of what they do. Move to primary = you are in their way Move to secondary = slow down if they try to pass you Filter alongside = how dare you get in front of a motor vehicle
i have given up both driving and cycling because of criminals like that one, and the way things is going i'll be better off if I also avoid walking in the streets and just stay at home 24/7
And after all that fuss they still had to stop behind the van that was ahead of them so the cyclist was zero hindrance to their progress. Fragile egos and motor vehicles are not a good combination.
One the 2nd clip at 1:36 he changed DOWN a gear approaching the lights - you can see the entire right level move inwards. In fact it even looks like a double shift (by pushing the lever fully inwards). This is exactly what I would do when preparing to stop at lights. So Ashley is wrong that he changed up a gear.
A bit rough to insinuate the cyclist might not have stopped for those red light. Also, I don't think it's advisable to emerge into traffic where you might be putting a vulnerable road user at risk of injury, even if it assists in best 'flow'. Just wait until there's a gap, or at least it's just another car you're pushing in front of. That last vehicle would have pushed past no matter the position in the road.
Not particularly, given how many cyclists do indeed ride through red lights these days and the fact that the clips conveniently stopped at that point is something an awful lot of videos do on RUclips, including cars and motorbikes etc. It's a very common tactic for trying to make people think you're doing the right thing or that someone started being aggressive for no reason etc. It's also a huge part of the reason why the police in general won't take footage from the likes of RUclips as evidence due to it being manipulated, they want the raw unedited footage and anything else could be make believe. These days with A.I also able to do so much when it comes to pictures and videos it's only going to get worse.
@@Wolfy11188In my experience, a significant minority of cyclists run red lights at low speed and with a glance each way first. I really wish they wouldn't as it adds fuel to the culture war tropes and justifies poor behavour towards cyclists. That said, the number of cyclists running red lights is dwarfed by the number of motorists who regularly exceed speed limits which demonstrably poses a higher danger to members of the public.
@@raithrover1976 Seems like your entire reply is trying to justify cyclists going through red lights to be honest. Them looking is purely to make sure they aren't going to get flattened, it isn't about anyone else but themselves and of course more cars speed than cyclists run red lights, the last I checked only about 1.3% of the vehicles on the road were bicycles. You scale up the numbers to match cars and I think you'd be both surprised and disgusted with how many actually do it. In anonymous surveys 46% of drivers admitted to speeding yet 57% of cyclists admit to riding through red lights and 16% do it consistently, these are not outright facts but it's a lot more than most think it is.
@@Wolfy11188 I was trying to make two simple points. 1: Drivers who criticise cyclists who ignore the highway code are usually giant hypocrites. 2: Cyclists running red lights are creating less of a danger than speeding motorists. Data from areas of the world where cycling is more common would tend to back this up.
That last clip would have turned out the same even if the cyclist was to take primary position. I can imagine that driver thinking they were in the way and would be annoyed about it. Those types of drivers are never happy. Just another cyclist hater.
@@tony_w839 sure i mean i totally get that but at the same time its easy to sit at home and be super morally pedantic watching youtube videos of human behavior. I only really felt that from the bikers perspective that this is happening a lot to him often. So it an attempt to communicate that it not OK as the driving behavior to him seems complacent. So yeah lets all ride around like monks & just forgive everything?
@@tony_w839 I once shook my head when a van overtook me across solid lines, on a bend, into oncoming traffic .. this triggered him enough to stop at the upcoming junction and get out and threaten me. Expecting cyclists to not show ANY emotion when someone drives in a way that endangers their life is kinda unreasonable. I agree that cyclists should avid swearing or flipping people off, but an exasperated raised hand is not always so easy to avoid when you're annoyed.
Did you ask for the unedited clips before suggesting someone of jumping reds? and taking primary in that situation would also trigger the driver to accuse you of "being in the middle of the road!"
I know this piece of road, it’s in East Brighton, it has a petrol station in/on an island, several sets of traffic lights, traffic joining from 6 different directions I believe, the Sainsbury’s on the right there, the council depot is just around the corner, University campus just up the road, A B&Q Halfords type retail park, a bus garage & a high street full of shops surrounded by residential all around & even a Crematorium ! So it’s a busy busy junction which is poorly laid out which is exacerbated by shitty road surfaces. Car drivers just don’t understand how uncomfortable, de-stabilising & damaging these shitty roads are to a bicycle, especially one with skinny tyres.
Yep and the bike lane ploughed right through what was the pedestrian footway. Bike riders should realise hor frightening it is when they blast through rather than slowing, to reduce risk, for the peds. But of course bikes want it all their own way. As seen here, Large chunk of pedestrian footway given over to bikes, but then they won't except they need to give a little back, slow down due to close proximity of peds & the bus stop & be prepared to let a car out of the car-park. I know this junction & Sainsburys very well.
After viewing these clips, I'd imagine that exit / entrance in and out of Sainsbury's is a common spot for potential extra risk between cyclists and motorists. So for any cyclist who regularly rides past there, hopefully via "local knowledge" they would be familiar with the various risky situations that can arise there and be prepared for these kind of situations each time they approach.
Car parks, along with the entrances and exits, are huge red flag risk areas for me. Peoples focus is either on getting that space as close to the shop as quickpy as they can, or protecting the shopping and getting home as quickly as they can
You would think so, but alas it is the entitled bikes mentality that they must blast though and never stop for anybody. The bike lane also cuts through what was a pedestrian pavement and now isolates a bus stop, requiring peds to now cross this bike-race track. One would think bikes would slow to the maximum of a fast walking pace when passing. But do they?
After 40+ years on my bike, I can confirm: 1. I'm not perfect. 2. Yep, avoid is better than mitigate. 3. Make it a non-event. 4. Read the road. 5. Fix other people's mistakes. 6. And yes, like just this morning, if you see me, and still pull out in front of me, you get a middle finger, once I've made sure I'm safe. Just as Ashley gives a quick toot of the horn to show other people he's around.
I was hit and run in a similar space as the final clip last November. I took up primary position as there wasn't space to pass and they decided to drive into the back of my bike ruining it before they sped off. The police attempted to prosecute but failed to do so due to there being several drivers registered and the policy holder decided not to nominate the driver responsible. For some reason the police didn't take it any further than this. I know that it's a rare occurrence for someone to do this, but I don't think this is good advice, especially not for novice riders who have no idea that drivers may intentionally drive into a cyclist. It feels like the only option is to submit whenever a car is within a few feet of you, especially with how aggressive some drivers seem to be getting against cyclists as it becomes politicized, and how large these modern cars are. But maybe I'm just skittish due to my experience. Every close pass is just that much more terrifying now.
At 1:36, at least for Shimano, moving the right lever in this way is actually changing down a gear. More tension in the cable moves the derailleur against it's spring, moving it 'up' the cassette and 'down' a gear.
Surely in a two lane road, in traffic, where vehicles are going with the flow of traffic and the left lane is moving slightly faster than the right, it is not an undertake just keeping up with the vehicle ahead.
Doesn't matter cyclists can undertake legally .... Still I prefer to avoid it if I can as often cars just don't use their mirror or check. If a car has just passed you and there is no left turn and he slows due to traffic then I'll undertake.. but generally I'll filter on the RHS.
Yes. Strange language in clip. White car is in different lane. White doesn’t even get past bike. Apparently, Cyclist should an be expert at determining who’s a moron and understand how they need to emotions tended to.
The driver in the last clip is almost certainly the type who would take a cyclist in primary as someone specifically riding to block them, even though they're all going to stop at the red light ahead.
I appreciate your thoughts on gesturing Ash. Just this morning a had a situation where I was in a roundabout and a car entering failed to give way to me. Well they did in the end actually, but the result was both of us stopped in the roundabout because we both braked last minute. (Them as they should have and me out of self preservation) Looking back I probably could have slowed myself and made it a complete nonevent. They clearly saw me and decided they had to get in front. I did kinda shrug at them. What they did was a disgrace, but I’m better than that. It’s very frustrating to see these people constantly doing stuff like this on the roads but reprimanding them does nothing in the best case and could turn violent in the worst case. I wish I had video of this morning as it would have been a good learning point for everyone.
I cycle this route most weeks on the way to work, the main junction in the 1st clip keeps me awake at night, as I’ve had so many close calls. Having the traffic cross the cycle lane is a nightmare as a cyclist and a car driver. Brighton has some great cycle lanes, but they only go short distances.
While cycling I've had more adverse interactions with drivers by taking up a primary position, as you suggest in the last clip, than I have had by making the open handed, what are you doing, gesture. To some drivers the very existence of cyclists is triggering.
No. I have had poor results with impatient drivers when I take primary. Even if it would be unsafe to overtake me it doesn't feel much better to have them right on your wheel or to have them try to undertake you to get to the red light for the right lane before I do.
Also taking primary to go over potholes on a road bike can be asking for trouble when the car is sitting on your arse. I think Ashley rides a full suspension e-MTB, so I doubt he'd notice the potholes 😅
He didn’t change up a gear - he quite clearly downshifted, as the whole brake lever comes out, and you can hear it. Upshifting would have made more of a CLUNK sound.
in that last clip, there are quite a few people out there that dont understand the dimensions of the vehicle they are driving. there are also quiet a few people with bad attitudes to cyclists. there are quite a few people out there that only need to drive instead of want to drive and learn more and take pride in their driving. that last driver was all 3 in 1, and those are the danger drivers you need to spot and keep yourself safe from.
My opinion is to never remonstrate with another road user. There are zero upsides and potentially catastrophic downsides. If the motorist decides to use their car to punish you after you yelled/gestured at them, it's going to be cold comfort from your hospital bed (or worse, your family attending your funeral) if the driver gets the customary minor slap on the wrist from the law.
These clips are from Brighton and the first few are at a place called Vogue Gyratory. Since it has been built, it has been a nightmare to negotiate safely. Everything happens at once and vehicles come at you from all directions!
That is I guess how bike riders would see this. Where as, when motorists see Ash's videos showing motoring issues and showing how both parties could have done better, including the 'not at fault' person, the motorist accepts and welcomes Ash's professional view and will learn from Ash's council. There is a saying 'Dead Right' and alas this is how bikes see things. Rather than learning from Ash, that no matter 'who is to blame' using roadcraft and reading ahead, can stop a situation escalation or collision occur, but a bike would prefer to tank though and possibly end up 'Dead Right'. As we saw in these clips, bike seems to get triggered outside Sainsbury's despite all the locals knowing this is a very busy and high-risk area, so everybody has to play nicely and use a bit of give & take.
Shame you didn't know that before you said the opposite and tried to make out he was jumping the lights isn't it really. You really do just make things up to suit your own view.
So it's toxic to point out when you are wrong, to show that you know very little about bikes but are happy to criticise someone and suggest they where changing gear to jump the lights? Righto, if you had an ounce of self awareness you would realise who was toxic.
At around 0:38, after diligently ceding priority to the SUV, I do hope the cyclist checked behind before steering out to the right and into the "regular " lane when they went to get around the SUV.
in the last clip taken in "the usual spot" there was a motorcycle sharing the lane with the car that was crowding the bicycle lane. the whole scene was screaming "anyone who gets close is going to be collateral damage" to me.
This isn't one of my favourite videos from you, Ashley. Your videos don't exist in a vacuum and those "questions" reinforce a stereotype whether that's your intention or not. By all means, call out cyclists running red lights, but not in a video where there's only supposition of wrongdoing and certainly not when you can't tell a downshift from upshift. The phase "tarring with the same brush" and the term "confirmation bias" come to my mind. The last clip analysis is back up to your usual standard. I would have simply adjusted speed behind the white car before the bins. I certainly would have backed off if being squeezed as drivers often think they've completed overtaking me when they haven't.
I've taken up the primary position to stop a dangerous a close pass on many occasions and it sometimes makes the driver unreasonably angry, resulting in a punishment pass further along road. There are too many horrible people on our roads and the reason why I don't give hand signals, the exception being a friendly thank you
A week ago I was closed passed by not one, but 4 cars that may as well have been tethered together they were so close to each other. I had taken the primary, no the ONLY position available. It was a small (30ft long maybe) bridge over an irrigation canal. It was a two-lane road, no shoulder at all, and guardrails right against the white shoulder line. And double yellow-striped, so no passing. The only place that I COULD ride was in the lane. It would have taken me less that 10 seconds to cross over and move back to a secondary position, but all 4 drivers maintained speed and passed (barely) in the other lane. The fullsize pickup truck in the back gave me less than 3 feet of clearance on the way by. This is cycling in my area of the U.S. Car-centric roads, and no consideration for cyclists, unless the driver is one themselves.
Thanks Ashley, I see a lot of these types of cyclists, racing too fast through urban areas, running red lights or pedestrian crossings (when in use), on pavements and arguing with other road users or pedestrians. They ride into battle with the traffic and I cannot see this as fun, more like a macho trial of their virility. I am also a cyclist and actually, riding a bit slower, letting others go first and thanking polite drivers make my journey to work much nicer. BTW please don't wear headphones when cycling, as this chap does in the last clip, it puts you in so much more danger.
With that last clip, even before Ashley asked the question if you'd be riding in primary position, at around 4:04 I was thinking exactly that. I was quite surprised at how close to the edge of the road our cammer was riding, with his wheels practically on the right hand line of the double yellow lines. I'd also imagine tyre grip is less when cycling on a painted line, even in the dry. As for the driver of the white car, despicable behaviour putting a far more vulnerable road user at greater risk. Obviously a deliberate "telling off" for a perceived wrong doing by the cyclist. As Ashley pointed out, the white car had nowhere to go to complete the overtake. Seems to me they just wanted to encroach on the cyclist whilst they still had a brief chance to do so before running out of road. The fact they also sounded their horn further confirms the "telling off" aspect.
truth be told, if you are on the roads as either a pedestrian or a cyclist, car drivers see you as some filthy potential roadkill and they fantasize about running you over, plenty of such psychopaths on the roads, we gotta face it, its a game of cat and mice
When on my bike I always put my safety before my ego. I aint putting my life in the hands of drivers. I drive for a living & see some horrendous driving daily! And in the last clip he removed his ear buds. That's a big no no for me. I need to hear what's hapening around me, as well as seeing.
I don't appreciate Ashley's inference at clips breaking the law on running lights etc. Seems a bit odd. Ask for extra video clips if you want to really know. Also on hang gestures - emotions need to be felt in the body, moving is part of that. If your life is put in danger you're going to react & built up previous trauma round it. When cars then put you in danger needlessly it's healthy to react imho. Drivers simply don't experience this as often .Air bags, metal multi ton boxes, crumple zones keep them feeling safe in their bubble.
Excellent video Ashley and great analysis! I've seen a couple of dodgy overtakes in my time cycling (see my "No Room To Pass!" video), but this driving slightly worse I think. I've also got a video of a cyclist running a red light, and I don't think this cyclist was perfect either.
I've been guilty of making gestures to vehicles that put me at risk, even when i change speed or direction to make it a 'non-event' . I think its my inherent way of responding to feeling threatened in traffic - not ideal, but the threat heightens awareness and adrenaline, and the caveman part of my brain gets control.
I find that ‘passive’ gestures can be a release of any frustration. I usually fall back on the resigned why. Sometimes a sarcastic thumbs up comes into play. Psychologically I find it helpful and much better than an offensive gesture or launching a series of expletives.
The issue of primary position, is some drivers think you dont matter. I was once nearly taken out when in the right hand side of the lane, arm out to turn, and a ____ in a merc overtook me. I had just turned my wheel slightly, so no contact, but had it been a fraction of a decond later, id have been on his bonnet. I think driversand cyclists, need educating on rules of the road when on 2 wheels.
just a 3 days ago a white car pull out of a junction an almost hit me while i was waiting to turn into the junction people driving cars need to take more care
Taking a primary position like you suggest in the video may antagonise the driver as well, as they may feel us cyclists are not allowing them to 'overtake'. Difficult to win as cyclists..
that bike lane at the start is one of the worst in brighton! Two emerging lanes onto it, a lane to the left that cars turn onto from the petrol station, hate that section
That road layout outside Sainsbury in Brighton has always been difficult. Often a driver on the inside needs to get to the far right & vice-versa. Adding the bike lane has only compounded the problem with bikes refusing to use a bit of give & take. There are many peds coming out of Sainsburys laden with shopping and have to cross the bike lane, which has been built down the middle of the pedestrian walk-way, to get to the bus stop. Will one single bike slow down due to increased risk to the peds? No, of course they won't. As this guy in lycra proves. Whilst it is a dangerous junction, so to reduce risk for cyclists, the bike lane has been added right through the pedestrian footway. So surely, the bike lane here should be reduced to 5mph, to ensure safety for all? It is amazing how risk has been increased for the peds, in favour of the bikes. As Ash says, one does have to nose across, as waiting for all lanes to be clear will never happen. As soon as a gap appears on the right, a car coming out of the garage will take it. On the left, a car from the car-park. So one has no choice other than to nose out. Cars stop and let a fellow road user out, so what is it with the biking menace, who will never (willingly) give way to anyone and will instead, always try to charge through?
As Ashley mentioned, it's very interesting that in the first two clips, the submitted videos end on the approach to a red light. Especially as Ash observed, in the second clip, the cyclist changed UP a gear on the approach to the lights. Couldn't have been for "better fuel economy" obviously!
As Dominik says he has moved into an easier gear in preparation for stopping at the lights. I do the same on my approach to junctions/ lights where I may have to stop. It’s a real pain getting caught in the wrong gear and having to lift the rear wheel and spin the pedal to get a better gear to move off.
The last clip: I think the overtake was going to happen regardless of position. I would have conceded at the point the car started to squeeze, and I doubt I would have engaged or reacted to the horn.
(I love all your content AND the message you promote) @Ashley Neal - Just Cycling @PAULPICKLES - Professional Bicycle Mechanic here... In clip 2 (1mi 37sec) Ashley stated the rider changed UP a gear. This statement is incorrect. The rider changed DOWN a gear, maybe more, to prepare to pull away from stationary at red light.
the white car driver would attempt an overtake no matter what, with road wheels at that speed you do need to go around potholes if you want unpunctured tyres and unbroken rims and as such i do get the road position so should any experienced driver. Although when cycling we have high levels of adrenaline we need to keep calm and not react to such bad behaviour, they are not worth it. Good cycling and like the bar tape colour keep safe.
Two rather trivial points about the final clip: The cyclist was clearly riding with earphones in, not the best idea when cycling in mixed traffic even if they are open-backed. Secondly, that fella on the opposite pavement is clearly on the side of the kn*bhead in the white car 😂
Ashley proving his anti cyclist nonsense yet again. Assuming the worst, making wrong assumptions... Blaming the cyclist for the motorists poor judgement and planning.
Well, not anti-cyclist but critical of 'self-entitled blame others' attitudes from all road users. BTW if you cycle on the road, don't wear headphones, as in the last clip. It's not illegal but you are putting yourself in more danger by doing so.
5th clip, that road surface is terrible, I think 'primary position' would have put the rider at risk of loss of control, or having to swerve around some of the bigger diviits.
Primary might have slowed that driver down and made him initially more cautious with an overtake.. however given his attitude and his poor overtake i suspect he'd have overtaken poorly anyway... I'd always ceed that space as they try to tuck in after a poor overtake because the fact the driver is prepared to drive like that means they aren't concerned with your safety. Get the camera footage send it into the police and let them add points to their licence.
Is Ashley the regular cyclist he claims to be? Let's get one thing clear in **ALL CAPS AND BOLD** **UNLESS THEY KNOW THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD SURFACE TO BE GOOD, A CYCLIST SHOULD NOT TAKE PRIMARY POSITION BEHIND A LARGER VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT SEE THE POTHOLES COMING UP IN THE ROAD.** I repeat **UNLESS THEY KNOW THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD SURFACE TO BE GOOD, A CYCLIST SHOULD NOT TAKE PRIMARY POSITION BEHIND A LARGER VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT SEE THE POTHOLES COMING UP IN THE ROAD.** Once more. **UNLESS THEY KNOW THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD SURFACE TO BE GOOD, A CYCLIST SHOULD NOT TAKE PRIMARY POSITION BEHIND A LARGER VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT SEE THE POTHOLES COMING UP IN THE ROAD.** Ashley do repeat this a thousand times before you question the judgement of a cyclist who will not take primary position when expected to. It was very obvious to me right from the start when I saw the road surfaces.
0:46 i really struggle with these videos when the first thing you say is "did the lights change and my viewer stop?" Insinuating they jumped a red light with no evidence or suggestion. Need to do better than this Ashley
Wow, that section of road/lane in the first few clips is just awful, I can understand (if not agree with) why the divers feel the need to force their way. Personally, I think I would take the road along with the speed/time hit and rejoin the cycle lane later.
I wish I could think of a suitable set of words to fill the SUV acronym, but it's not really coming to me. Simpleton Using Valium? Anything bigger than a car, so SUVs, pickups, vans, should be regarded in much the same way we do landmines.
I'm actually quite surprised at the growth of SUV's here in the UK over the past few years. I remember vividly in years gone by noting how popular SUV's are in North America and yet hardly seen in the UK. Times have certainly changed. As a result, the good old family estate has suffered in sales. Interestingly I'm now also seeing a few pick-up trucks on UK roads, though certainly not in the same numbers as Canada and USA...the land of the Ford F-150 pick-up.
Re the last clip I’d have adopted primary position or even held back. The driver in the white car is abhorrent, using his car as a potential weapon. But one thing I’d comment on is the cyclist is wearing headphones whilst riding and clearly has to remove them to hear the comments from the driver. Not a smart thing in my opinion and something I would never do as it impairs hearing.
Nice to see a proper dedicated cycling lane. In my opinion cyclists should not be using the road if there's perfectly good cycle lanes next to them, glad to see this person mostly adheres to that!
I'll always use them when they're safe, but discretion is always the key: there's an A road I use for my commute where the cycle lane has never been resurfaced, though the main carriageway has. The cycle lane is degraded, pot-holed, obstructed and downright dangerous, and we have to use the main carriageway. I've been 'told off' for that too.
I’m happy to use a cycle lane if appropriate. Sadly far too many don’t go where you need to go (one my way puts you on a three mile diversion when you only need to travel half a mile), force you inexplicably into main flow of traffic are often in worse condition than the ready of the road.
Yeah on that last one I definitely would have moved to primary sooner - before the series of bins etc. Would have felt safer imo and would have made that close pass much less likely
Ash, again you are completely missing the point, every one makes mistakes. However, when a driver makes a mistake with another car its a metal bending exercise and thats about it. Do this to a cyclist and its a matter of a bone broken, or worse. Now what does the HWC say about vulnerable road users? Some time its a reaction, to a threat when a car driver cuts you up, its involuntary, car drivers do it, cyclist are no different to those drivers that get cut up. You wouldn't drive at a pedestrian that was crossing the road and blame them would you.... Would you? Perhaps you and other here would.
Interestingly, you mention the word blame. I've got a video going out tomorrow morning about people with a similar mindset to yourself. Please tune in. Edit - Addition. The video will also explain why it's you that is missing the point.
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling "Mind set to myself"? I am on about you blaming the cyclists for not doing enough to stay out of trouble. Again, way over your head that they are vulnerable road users, and you STILL, think its them that need to change. Pointless talking to you
So you always blame the less vulnerable and don't take responsibility for your own actions. This is exactly opposite the advice in the highway code. The simple concept is way over your head.
I personally think the cyclist is pushing his luck, he should be riding more defensively & using his experience more wisely, but he's not. And his use of ear buds shows his attitude to be "I'll do what I want" where he should be treating other road users how he would want to be treated
Bike riders: Nothing wrong with slowing down to stay safe.. Cars do it, trucks and buses do it, motorcycles do it, even pedestrians do it.. stop acting like a spoiled child.. just do it.
headphones while riding.... i cycle a lot, and sticking in ear headphones and cutting off one of your senses is the smartest move tbh, but on the last clip i disagree with you saying the cyclist needed to stay in primary position, they're on a road bike, no forgiveness in them at all, cyclist would have no rims left if they went over those pot holes, driver should not have attempted an overtake full stop, where was it ever going to get them with stopped traffic up ahead where the cyclist will filter in front again? stupid behaviour that will earn them 3-5 points & a fine.
TBH the last clip driver was a complete idiot, no level of positioning would have meant anything to him/her. I always respect cyclists and they mostly return the favour. There are always idiots on both sides, and I have been overtaken on blind country bends while holding back for single and group cyclists. People can be so impatient, not regarding vulnerable road users.
Another set of clips showing the shockingly poor standard of UK driving. Another set of clips showing how us vulnrable road users are having to constanly adjust our road usage to avoid these idiots. It's about time drivers were made to behave better. Unfortunately, at this moment in time, the only way to keep cyclists safe is to provide connected, fully segregated infrastructure. Paint is not infrastructure. In relation to Ashley's comments about primary position, i do this on my ride to work as i pass through a section of road with junctions and traffic islands. What does this do to some drivers? Winds them up. I was on the receiving end of road rage last week from a driver who was enraged with me riding in primary. He leaned on his horn, close passed me and shouted 'you are not a car, get off the f**king road'. Shame he didnt realise he was a car either.
If these road users are so vulnerable, why do they ride like knobbers, refusing to slow, stop or give way or exercise a bit of give & take on the roads? Why do bike riders, rather than ganging together to defend all poor cycling, actively call out poor cycling and lobby for mandatory rider training, to ensure the vulnerable road users are equipped with the skill required to safely cycle on the road? Riding with earphones ffs? How stupid is that.
@@benws8246 Damage on the roads is caused by many things. The road surface wearing out, ground heave and cracks. Water then seeps in and freezes, expanding and causing the surface to break up. I drove up a road very near to Sainsburys a good few years ago after a big freeze up. The whole road surface was destroyed by frost.
Funnily enough I'm from this area, i drive around the exact same places quite frequently, and have seen this rider numerous times, he rarely stops at traffic lights, and i'm honestly yet to see him ride well. But he only endangers himself though, as the drivers in this area as you can see in the last clip don't take too kindly to people like him.
Last clip was terrible. Every clip near Sainsbury's mind. Obviously the road markings are rubbish for both cyclist and drivers. I think both car driver AND the cyclist should be understanding of this and taking care. Cycling as if you are in the right is ok, but totally missing the slightly complex nature of crossing the cycle path from the petrol station, whilst dealing with blindspots.
Hi Ashley. Many thanks for the very honest and respectable review of my clips. Rest assured no red lights were jumped in any of the clips. That section of bike lane is a nightmare. I often consider just riding in the road as I belive it might be safer and give me less hazards to consider. The final clip, you were very correct, the road surface is terrible and I was mainly avoiding the pot holes. The other issues were the big planters that obscure the road and the parked cars in the outer lane. It a 2 lane 1 way road. So I try and give drivers the option to use the outside lane but those planters make it difficult sometimes. What you can't see in the clip, was when I stopped he purposely drove at me. I wish I just held back after his first pass, but initially he was in the outside lane and thought he would go. Every day is a lesson. Thanks again Ashley for great review.
Thank you so much for sending in Paul. Your added information is much appreciated. Keep safe out there!
Thank you for sharing your clips for us all to see. Some good considerate road use there which makes a pleasant change from some clips we see
Keep it up and take care out there 👍
@AshleyNeal-JustCycling oh, I'll be much more withheld with my hand gestures. I've noticed I have a habit of hand expression.🤦♂️
The first 2 clips are just bad road lay out and you will always need to be slow and give way but that last clip he didn't make a over take no biggie the was space so he literally closed passed you for no reason he is scum
@@PAULPICKLES What amazes me when you raise a hand in a shrug some motorists can spy it yet demonstrate a complete inability to see you approaching.
The driver of the white vehicle in the last clip appears to be the type of driver triggered by cyclists regardless of what they do.
Move to primary = you are in their way
Move to secondary = slow down if they try to pass you
Filter alongside = how dare you get in front of a motor vehicle
Came here to say exactly that.
I think you're right there, Bob. The horn was the clincher. They're T-R-R-R-IGGERED!
i have given up both driving and cycling because of criminals like that one, and the way things is going i'll be better off if I also avoid walking in the streets and just stay at home 24/7
The main thing I agree on here with Ashleys comments on this clip is that the driver of the white vehicle is a m^ppet.
And after all that fuss they still had to stop behind the van that was ahead of them so the cyclist was zero hindrance to their progress. Fragile egos and motor vehicles are not a good combination.
1:45 He actually changes down 2 gears.
It's certainly the whole right lever in so a changed down!
I may have done the same, but also shifting to the little dog before stopping.
I'll still raise an arm after a close pass. I know the culprit won't see it but it's amazing how room the following vehicles give me.
So true.
One the 2nd clip at 1:36 he changed DOWN a gear approaching the lights - you can see the entire right level move inwards. In fact it even looks like a double shift (by pushing the lever fully inwards). This is exactly what I would do when preparing to stop at lights.
So Ashley is wrong that he changed up a gear.
It was definitely a change down!!
probably to gain a bit of speed to blast though the lights. Funny how all the clips stop before reaching the red traffic lights.
@@wibbley1 your comment literally makes no sense
@@aaronwilson4370 sorry, typos caused from using a small phone. *how *all
Shh, you're exposing Trashley's ignorance and bias!
A bit rough to insinuate the cyclist might not have stopped for those red light. Also, I don't think it's advisable to emerge into traffic where you might be putting a vulnerable road user at risk of injury, even if it assists in best 'flow'. Just wait until there's a gap, or at least it's just another car you're pushing in front of.
That last vehicle would have pushed past no matter the position in the road.
Not particularly, given how many cyclists do indeed ride through red lights these days and the fact that the clips conveniently stopped at that point is something an awful lot of videos do on RUclips, including cars and motorbikes etc. It's a very common tactic for trying to make people think you're doing the right thing or that someone started being aggressive for no reason etc. It's also a huge part of the reason why the police in general won't take footage from the likes of RUclips as evidence due to it being manipulated, they want the raw unedited footage and anything else could be make believe. These days with A.I also able to do so much when it comes to pictures and videos it's only going to get worse.
@AshleyNeale....your "othering" in action
@@Wolfy11188In my experience, a significant minority of cyclists run red lights at low speed and with a glance each way first. I really wish they wouldn't as it adds fuel to the culture war tropes and justifies poor behavour towards cyclists. That said, the number of cyclists running red lights is dwarfed by the number of motorists who regularly exceed speed limits which demonstrably poses a higher danger to members of the public.
@@raithrover1976 Seems like your entire reply is trying to justify cyclists going through red lights to be honest. Them looking is purely to make sure they aren't going to get flattened, it isn't about anyone else but themselves and of course more cars speed than cyclists run red lights, the last I checked only about 1.3% of the vehicles on the road were bicycles. You scale up the numbers to match cars and I think you'd be both surprised and disgusted with how many actually do it. In anonymous surveys 46% of drivers admitted to speeding yet 57% of cyclists admit to riding through red lights and 16% do it consistently, these are not outright facts but it's a lot more than most think it is.
@@Wolfy11188 I was trying to make two simple points. 1: Drivers who criticise cyclists who ignore the highway code are usually giant hypocrites. 2: Cyclists running red lights are creating less of a danger than speeding motorists. Data from areas of the world where cycling is more common would tend to back this up.
That last clip would have turned out the same even if the cyclist was to take primary position. I can imagine that driver thinking they were in the way and would be annoyed about it. Those types of drivers are never happy. Just another cyclist hater.
he’s clearly dangerous to the point he could easily kill a cyclist
@@New-ye2fl Report to Operation Snap. Get him some points.
Take primary and you get drivers right up yer arse. Take secondary band you get close passes.
Keep safe.
tbh i think the hand gestures are understandable & he's not being aggressive.
hand gestures may be seen by some drivers as aggressive, and also may trigger them.
@@tony_w839 sure i mean i totally get that but at the same time its easy to sit at home and be super morally pedantic watching youtube videos of human behavior. I only really felt that from the bikers perspective that this is happening a lot to him often. So it an attempt to communicate that it not OK as the driving behavior to him seems complacent. So yeah lets all ride around like monks & just forgive everything?
@@tony_w839 I once shook my head when a van overtook me across solid lines, on a bend, into oncoming traffic .. this triggered him enough to stop at the upcoming junction and get out and threaten me. Expecting cyclists to not show ANY emotion when someone drives in a way that endangers their life is kinda unreasonable.
I agree that cyclists should avid swearing or flipping people off, but an exasperated raised hand is not always so easy to avoid when you're annoyed.
Did you ask for the unedited clips before suggesting someone of jumping reds? and taking primary in that situation would also trigger the driver to accuse you of "being in the middle of the road!"
I know this piece of road, it’s in East Brighton, it has a petrol station in/on an island, several sets of traffic lights, traffic joining from 6 different directions I believe, the Sainsbury’s on the right there, the council depot is just around the corner, University campus just up the road, A B&Q Halfords type retail park, a bus garage & a high street full of shops surrounded by residential all around & even a Crematorium !
So it’s a busy busy junction which is poorly laid out which is exacerbated by shitty road surfaces. Car drivers just don’t understand how uncomfortable, de-stabilising & damaging these shitty roads are to a bicycle, especially one with skinny tyres.
Yep and the bike lane ploughed right through what was the pedestrian footway. Bike riders should realise hor frightening it is when they blast through rather than slowing, to reduce risk, for the peds.
But of course bikes want it all their own way. As seen here, Large chunk of pedestrian footway given over to bikes, but then they won't except they need to give a little back, slow down due to close proximity of peds & the bus stop & be prepared to let a car out of the car-park.
I know this junction & Sainsburys very well.
Excellent video! Some dodgy bike infrastructure too!
Yeah, I need to deal with that awful bit of """infrastructure""" every day and it's nearly got me hurt on several occasions.
For a very loose definition of "infrastructure" 😊
@@frankhooper7871 :)
@@frankhooper7871Yes, for "infrastructure" also read "box ticking".
After viewing these clips, I'd imagine that exit / entrance in and out of Sainsbury's is a common spot for potential extra risk between cyclists and motorists. So for any cyclist who regularly rides past there, hopefully via "local knowledge" they would be familiar with the various risky situations that can arise there and be prepared for these kind of situations each time they approach.
Car parks, along with the entrances and exits, are huge red flag risk areas for me. Peoples focus is either on getting that space as close to the shop as quickpy as they can, or protecting the shopping and getting home as quickly as they can
You would think so, but alas it is the entitled bikes mentality that they must blast though and never stop for anybody.
The bike lane also cuts through what was a pedestrian pavement and now isolates a bus stop, requiring peds to now cross this bike-race track. One would think bikes would slow to the maximum of a fast walking pace when passing. But do they?
After 40+ years on my bike, I can confirm:
1. I'm not perfect.
2. Yep, avoid is better than mitigate.
3. Make it a non-event.
4. Read the road.
5. Fix other people's mistakes.
6. And yes, like just this morning, if you see me, and still pull out in front of me, you get a middle finger, once I've made sure I'm safe. Just as Ashley gives a quick toot of the horn to show other people he's around.
I was hit and run in a similar space as the final clip last November. I took up primary position as there wasn't space to pass and they decided to drive into the back of my bike ruining it before they sped off. The police attempted to prosecute but failed to do so due to there being several drivers registered and the policy holder decided not to nominate the driver responsible. For some reason the police didn't take it any further than this.
I know that it's a rare occurrence for someone to do this, but I don't think this is good advice, especially not for novice riders who have no idea that drivers may intentionally drive into a cyclist. It feels like the only option is to submit whenever a car is within a few feet of you, especially with how aggressive some drivers seem to be getting against cyclists as it becomes politicized, and how large these modern cars are. But maybe I'm just skittish due to my experience. Every close pass is just that much more terrifying now.
At 1:36, at least for Shimano, moving the right lever in this way is actually changing down a gear. More tension in the cable moves the derailleur against it's spring, moving it 'up' the cassette and 'down' a gear.
Surely in a two lane road, in traffic, where vehicles are going with the flow of traffic and the left lane is moving slightly faster than the right, it is not an undertake just keeping up with the vehicle ahead.
Doesn't matter cyclists can undertake legally .... Still I prefer to avoid it if I can as often cars just don't use their mirror or check. If a car has just passed you and there is no left turn and he slows due to traffic then I'll undertake.. but generally I'll filter on the RHS.
Yes. Strange language in clip. White car is in different lane. White doesn’t even get past bike.
Apparently, Cyclist should an be expert at determining who’s a moron and understand how they need to emotions tended to.
The driver in the last clip is almost certainly the type who would take a cyclist in primary as someone specifically riding to block them, even though they're all going to stop at the red light ahead.
I was going to say exactly this. Been in that situation too many times. Your simply existing is a crime in the eyes of those types of drivers.
I appreciate your thoughts on gesturing Ash.
Just this morning a had a situation where I was in a roundabout and a car entering failed to give way to me. Well they did in the end actually, but the result was both of us stopped in the roundabout because we both braked last minute. (Them as they should have and me out of self preservation)
Looking back I probably could have slowed myself and made it a complete nonevent. They clearly saw me and decided they had to get in front. I did kinda shrug at them. What they did was a disgrace, but I’m better than that.
It’s very frustrating to see these people constantly doing stuff like this on the roads but reprimanding them does nothing in the best case and could turn violent in the worst case.
I wish I had video of this morning as it would have been a good learning point for everyone.
I cycle this route most weeks on the way to work, the main junction in the 1st clip keeps me awake at night, as I’ve had so many close calls. Having the traffic cross the cycle lane is a nightmare as a cyclist and a car driver. Brighton has some great cycle lanes, but they only go short distances.
While cycling I've had more adverse interactions with drivers by taking up a primary position, as you suggest in the last clip, than I have had by making the open handed, what are you doing, gesture.
To some drivers the very existence of cyclists is triggering.
No. I have had poor results with impatient drivers when I take primary. Even if it would be unsafe to overtake me it doesn't feel much better to have them right on your wheel or to have them try to undertake you to get to the red light for the right lane before I do.
Also taking primary to go over potholes on a road bike can be asking for trouble when the car is sitting on your arse. I think Ashley rides a full suspension e-MTB, so I doubt he'd notice the potholes 😅
@Ashley Neal My wife has just started her diving lessons, you're videos are by far the best out there.
Nice, hopefully she'll spot lots of interesting fish
He didn’t change up a gear - he quite clearly downshifted, as the whole brake lever comes out, and you can hear it. Upshifting would have made more of a CLUNK sound.
There is no accounting for Trashley's ignorance and bias.
I cycle a lot in London and this is a fantastic idea for a new series. Thank you Ashley and I can't wait for the tips!
in that last clip, there are quite a few people out there that dont understand the dimensions of the vehicle they are driving. there are also quiet a few people with bad attitudes to cyclists. there are quite a few people out there that only need to drive instead of want to drive and learn more and take pride in their driving.
that last driver was all 3 in 1, and those are the danger drivers you need to spot and keep yourself safe from.
My opinion is to never remonstrate with another road user. There are zero upsides and potentially catastrophic downsides. If the motorist decides to use their car to punish you after you yelled/gestured at them, it's going to be cold comfort from your hospital bed (or worse, your family attending your funeral) if the driver gets the customary minor slap on the wrist from the law.
These clips are from Brighton and the first few are at a place called Vogue Gyratory. Since it has been built, it has been a nightmare to negotiate safely. Everything happens at once and vehicles come at you from all directions!
The last driver should not be on the road. An accident waiting to happen, in my opinion.
Unfortunately an accident that is likely to affect some poor innocent person or animal that had the misfortune to be anywhere near this child driver.
It's one that should definitely have been reported to the police
4:41 yes, I would have attached a large propane canister with the words 'DANGEROUS GOODS - KEEP CLEAR' to the back of my cycle
Why would you assume he went through a red light in the first clip?
I didn't, I asked a question. Pay attention and stop always assuming the worst. You often hear what you want to hear.
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling your question implied he did.
@@OG_Rider Exactly.
The message from the commentary seems to be "although drivers act like idiots, the cyclist is at fault"
That is I guess how bike riders would see this.
Where as, when motorists see Ash's videos showing motoring issues and showing how both parties could have done better, including the 'not at fault' person, the motorist accepts and welcomes Ash's professional view and will learn from Ash's council.
There is a saying 'Dead Right' and alas this is how bikes see things. Rather than learning from Ash, that no matter 'who is to blame' using roadcraft and reading ahead, can stop a situation escalation or collision occur, but a bike would prefer to tank though and possibly end up 'Dead Right'.
As we saw in these clips, bike seems to get triggered outside Sainsbury's despite all the locals knowing this is a very busy and high-risk area, so everybody has to play nicely and use a bit of give & take.
1:10 was that hand signal a thumbs up? Did the car driver put a hand up to thank th cyclist, and the cyclist respond with a thumbs up?
When you say "my view has changed up a gear" he has actually changed down.
We know
Obviously this doesn't fit your anti bike insinuations though.
Shame you didn't know that before you said the opposite and tried to make out he was jumping the lights isn't it really. You really do just make things up to suit your own view.
As normal, you hear what you want to hear Andy. I didn't make out he was jumping the lights, I just asked the question. Stop being toxic.
So it's toxic to point out when you are wrong, to show that you know very little about bikes but are happy to criticise someone and suggest they where changing gear to jump the lights? Righto, if you had an ounce of self awareness you would realise who was toxic.
At around 0:38, after diligently ceding priority to the SUV, I do hope the cyclist checked behind before steering out to the right and into the "regular " lane when they went to get around the SUV.
in the last clip taken in "the usual spot" there was a motorcycle sharing the lane with the car that was crowding the bicycle lane. the whole scene was screaming "anyone who gets close is going to be collateral damage" to me.
This isn't one of my favourite videos from you, Ashley. Your videos don't exist in a vacuum and those "questions" reinforce a stereotype whether that's your intention or not. By all means, call out cyclists running red lights, but not in a video where there's only supposition of wrongdoing and certainly not when you can't tell a downshift from upshift. The phase "tarring with the same brush" and the term "confirmation bias" come to my mind.
The last clip analysis is back up to your usual standard. I would have simply adjusted speed behind the white car before the bins. I certainly would have backed off if being squeezed as drivers often think they've completed overtaking me when they haven't.
A video about hand gestures? 😂
I've taken up the primary position to stop a dangerous a close pass on many occasions and it sometimes makes the driver unreasonably angry, resulting in a punishment pass further along road. There are too many horrible people on our roads and the reason why I don't give hand signals, the exception being a friendly thank you
A week ago I was closed passed by not one, but 4 cars that may as well have been tethered together they were so close to each other. I had taken the primary, no the ONLY position available. It was a small (30ft long maybe) bridge over an irrigation canal. It was a two-lane road, no shoulder at all, and guardrails right against the white shoulder line. And double yellow-striped, so no passing. The only place that I COULD ride was in the lane. It would have taken me less that 10 seconds to cross over and move back to a secondary position, but all 4 drivers maintained speed and passed (barely) in the other lane. The fullsize pickup truck in the back gave me less than 3 feet of clearance on the way by. This is cycling in my area of the U.S. Car-centric roads, and no consideration for cyclists, unless the driver is one themselves.
Thanks Ashley, I see a lot of these types of cyclists, racing too fast through urban areas, running red lights or pedestrian crossings (when in use), on pavements and arguing with other road users or pedestrians. They ride into battle with the traffic and I cannot see this as fun, more like a macho trial of their virility. I am also a cyclist and actually, riding a bit slower, letting others go first and thanking polite drivers make my journey to work much nicer. BTW please don't wear headphones when cycling, as this chap does in the last clip, it puts you in so much more danger.
With that last clip, even before Ashley asked the question if you'd be riding in primary position, at around 4:04 I was thinking exactly that. I was quite surprised at how close to the edge of the road our cammer was riding, with his wheels practically on the right hand line of the double yellow lines. I'd also imagine tyre grip is less when cycling on a painted line, even in the dry. As for the driver of the white car, despicable behaviour putting a far more vulnerable road user at greater risk. Obviously a deliberate "telling off" for a perceived wrong doing by the cyclist. As Ashley pointed out, the white car had nowhere to go to complete the overtake. Seems to me they just wanted to encroach on the cyclist whilst they still had a brief chance to do so before running out of road. The fact they also sounded their horn further confirms the "telling off" aspect.
truth be told, if you are on the roads as either a pedestrian or a cyclist, car drivers see you as some filthy potential roadkill and they fantasize about running you over, plenty of such psychopaths on the roads, we gotta face it, its a game of cat and mice
A (cycle) horn used in advance is better than a gesture of frustration later. Not that drivers ever learn.
When on my bike I always put my safety before my ego. I aint putting my life in the hands of drivers. I drive for a living & see some horrendous driving daily! And in the last clip he removed his ear buds. That's a big no no for me. I need to hear what's hapening around me, as well as seeing.
I don't even like having music on the ICE when I'm driving; I rely so much on sound. Opening my eyes would help, I suppose.
I have a D lock that I have used to adjust pratt-itude
I can't tell if your comment is confusing or genius 🤔
@@rufusgreenleaf2466 I mage it clear to the guy who tried knocking me off.
If you don't show them they are wrong, they won't learn. If you do show them they are wrong, you antagonize them. So what do you suggest?
Ashley, you're dying to catch this cyclist jumping a red light 😂😂😂
Really enjoy your analysis on these. 👍🏿
0:30 at first I thought that was going to be another example of driver carelessness but that was actually quite a good job by them as well
I don't appreciate Ashley's inference at clips breaking the law on running lights etc. Seems a bit odd. Ask for extra video clips if you want to really know.
Also on hang gestures - emotions need to be felt in the body, moving is part of that. If your life is put in danger you're going to react & built up previous trauma round it. When cars then put you in danger needlessly it's healthy to react imho. Drivers simply don't experience this as often .Air bags, metal multi ton boxes, crumple zones keep them feeling safe in their bubble.
Excellent video Ashley and great analysis!
I've seen a couple of dodgy overtakes in my time cycling (see my "No Room To Pass!" video), but this driving slightly worse I think.
I've also got a video of a cyclist running a red light, and I don't think this cyclist was perfect either.
You can’t win cycling on public roads in the uk
I've been guilty of making gestures to vehicles that put me at risk, even when i change speed or direction to make it a 'non-event' .
I think its my inherent way of responding to feeling threatened in traffic - not ideal, but the threat heightens awareness and adrenaline, and the caveman part of my brain gets control.
I find that ‘passive’ gestures can be a release of any frustration. I usually fall back on the resigned why. Sometimes a sarcastic thumbs up comes into play. Psychologically I find it helpful and much better than an offensive gesture or launching a series of expletives.
100% I would have taken primary position and responsibility
I thought it was only me who has a fluorescent case for the cycle computer!!! 🙂
Just incase they don't see my fluorescent bars😂👍
hi. which camera system do you use? thanks
The issue of primary position, is some drivers think you dont matter. I was once nearly taken out when in the right hand side of the lane, arm out to turn, and a ____ in a merc overtook me. I had just turned my wheel slightly, so no contact, but had it been a fraction of a decond later, id have been on his bonnet.
I think driversand cyclists, need educating on rules of the road when on 2 wheels.
just a 3 days ago a white car pull out of a junction an almost hit me while i was waiting to turn into the junction people driving cars need to take more care
0:41 - was this comment really necessary?
Very necessary. I've done the same with motorists on the other channel many times, so why would you get triggered me asking the same of a cyclist?
@@AshleyNeal-JustCyclingbecause with comments like that you're helping perpetuate the 'all cyclists jump red lights' stereotype
If it didn't look like in the clip that it was a possibility you would have a point, but because it did, you don't.
You mean the clip where they had more than enough time to stop? That comment still feels very unnecessary
Ashley treats cyclists and drivers the same which is fine, but the problem is cyclists don't kill people jumping red lights, drivers do
The last clip is another case of, “I’m in the wrong, but I’m still not going to admit it!”
That Audi would have been triggered if you took primary because you would be slowing him down.
Taking a primary position like you suggest in the video may antagonise the driver as well, as they may feel us cyclists are not allowing them to 'overtake'. Difficult to win as cyclists..
that bike lane at the start is one of the worst in brighton! Two emerging lanes onto it, a lane to the left that cars turn onto from the petrol station, hate that section
That road layout outside Sainsbury in Brighton has always been difficult.
Often a driver on the inside needs to get to the far right & vice-versa.
Adding the bike lane has only compounded the problem with bikes refusing to use a bit of give & take. There are many peds coming out of Sainsburys laden with shopping and have to cross the bike lane, which has been built down the middle of the pedestrian walk-way, to get to the bus stop.
Will one single bike slow down due to increased risk to the peds? No, of course they won't. As this guy in lycra proves.
Whilst it is a dangerous junction, so to reduce risk for cyclists, the bike lane has been added right through the pedestrian footway. So surely, the bike lane here should be reduced to 5mph, to ensure safety for all?
It is amazing how risk has been increased for the peds, in favour of the bikes.
As Ash says, one does have to nose across, as waiting for all lanes to be clear will never happen. As soon as a gap appears on the right, a car coming out of the garage will take it. On the left, a car from the car-park. So one has no choice other than to nose out. Cars stop and let a fellow road user out, so what is it with the biking menace, who will never (willingly) give way to anyone and will instead, always try to charge through?
As Ashley mentioned, it's very interesting that in the first two clips, the submitted videos end on the approach to a red light. Especially as Ash observed, in the second clip, the cyclist changed UP a gear on the approach to the lights. Couldn't have been for "better fuel economy" obviously!
On Shimano he shifted down a gear, the big levers are to shift down, the small levers shift up.
The entire right lever moved inward, so that is changing down to an easier gear.
@@dominik-nk4xu Fair enough
As Dominik says he has moved into an easier gear in preparation for stopping at the lights. I do the same on my approach to junctions/ lights where I may have to stop. It’s a real pain getting caught in the wrong gear and having to lift the rear wheel and spin the pedal to get a better gear to move off.
You believed that prejudiced clown? 🤡
The last clip: I think the overtake was going to happen regardless of position.
I would have conceded at the point the car started to squeeze, and I doubt I would have engaged or reacted to the horn.
Brave, cycling in Brighton.
(I love all your content AND the message you promote) @Ashley Neal - Just Cycling @PAULPICKLES - Professional Bicycle Mechanic here... In clip 2 (1mi 37sec) Ashley stated the rider changed UP a gear. This statement is incorrect. The rider changed DOWN a gear, maybe more, to prepare to pull away from stationary at red light.
1:20 The cyclist's gesture is a thumb-up. Nothing wrong with that.
i believe he contravened the light because his unreasonable attention was more than sensitive
the white car driver would attempt an overtake no matter what, with road wheels at that speed you do need to go around potholes if you want unpunctured tyres and unbroken rims and as such i do get the road position so should any experienced driver. Although when cycling we have high levels of adrenaline we need to keep calm and not react to such bad behaviour, they are not worth it. Good cycling and like the bar tape colour keep safe.
highway code rule 168 applies to the cyclist who failed to follow it for the last clip
Ashley Neal - Just Cycling, Your videos always brighten my day, so I subscribed!
Two rather trivial points about the final clip: The cyclist was clearly riding with earphones in, not the best idea when cycling in mixed traffic even if they are open-backed. Secondly, that fella on the opposite pavement is clearly on the side of the kn*bhead in the white car 😂
Ashley proving his anti cyclist nonsense yet again. Assuming the worst, making wrong assumptions... Blaming the cyclist for the motorists poor judgement and planning.
Yet the actual cyclist thought it wasn't honest assessment. He's not toxic though.
I hope you watch my upload tomorrow where I talk about people who have a blame or fault mindset.
ruclips.net/video/meRkOwaz2h0/видео.html
Well, not anti-cyclist but critical of 'self-entitled blame others' attitudes from all road users. BTW if you cycle on the road, don't wear headphones, as in the last clip. It's not illegal but you are putting yourself in more danger by doing so.
5th clip, that road surface is terrible, I think 'primary position' would have put the rider at risk of loss of control, or having to swerve around some of the bigger diviits.
Primary might have slowed that driver down and made him initially more cautious with an overtake.. however given his attitude and his poor overtake i suspect he'd have overtaken poorly anyway...
I'd always ceed that space as they try to tuck in after a poor overtake because the fact the driver is prepared to drive like that means they aren't concerned with your safety. Get the camera footage send it into the police and let them add points to their licence.
Thank you
Is Ashley the regular cyclist he claims to be? Let's get one thing clear in **ALL CAPS AND BOLD**
**UNLESS THEY KNOW THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD SURFACE TO BE GOOD, A CYCLIST SHOULD NOT TAKE PRIMARY POSITION BEHIND A LARGER VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT SEE THE POTHOLES COMING UP IN THE ROAD.**
I repeat
**UNLESS THEY KNOW THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD SURFACE TO BE GOOD, A CYCLIST SHOULD NOT TAKE PRIMARY POSITION BEHIND A LARGER VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT SEE THE POTHOLES COMING UP IN THE ROAD.**
Once more.
**UNLESS THEY KNOW THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD SURFACE TO BE GOOD, A CYCLIST SHOULD NOT TAKE PRIMARY POSITION BEHIND A LARGER VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT SEE THE POTHOLES COMING UP IN THE ROAD.**
Ashley do repeat this a thousand times before you question the judgement of a cyclist who will not take primary position when expected to.
It was very obvious to me right from the start when I saw the road surfaces.
Neal is utterly clueless at time.
In first clip the only way theSUV driver could not have seen the cyclist is if s/he didn't look. Nothing to do with blind spots.
0:46 i really struggle with these videos when the first thing you say is "did the lights change and my viewer stop?" Insinuating they jumped a red light with no evidence or suggestion. Need to do better than this Ashley
His biases affect critical thinking.
Wow, that section of road/lane in the first few clips is just awful, I can understand (if not agree with) why the divers feel the need to force their way. Personally, I think I would take the road along with the speed/time hit and rejoin the cycle lane later.
I wish I could think of a suitable set of words to fill the SUV acronym, but it's not really coming to me. Simpleton Using Valium? Anything bigger than a car, so SUVs, pickups, vans, should be regarded in much the same way we do landmines.
I'm actually quite surprised at the growth of SUV's here in the UK over the past few years. I remember vividly in years gone by noting how popular SUV's are in North America and yet hardly seen in the UK. Times have certainly changed. As a result, the good old family estate has suffered in sales. Interestingly I'm now also seeing a few pick-up trucks on UK roads, though certainly not in the same numbers as Canada and USA...the land of the Ford F-150 pick-up.
I can think up a couple of acronyms but I don’t want the video to be flagged by the RUclips censorship 😁
Re the last clip I’d have adopted primary position or even held back. The driver in the white car is abhorrent, using his car as a potential weapon. But one thing I’d comment on is the cyclist is wearing headphones whilst riding and clearly has to remove them to hear the comments from the driver. Not a smart thing in my opinion and something I would never do as it impairs hearing.
The cyclist is wearing headphones
Nice to see a proper dedicated cycling lane. In my opinion cyclists should not be using the road if there's perfectly good cycle lanes next to them, glad to see this person mostly adheres to that!
I'll always use them when they're safe, but discretion is always the key: there's an A road I use for my commute where the cycle lane has never been resurfaced, though the main carriageway has. The cycle lane is degraded, pot-holed, obstructed and downright dangerous, and we have to use the main carriageway. I've been 'told off' for that too.
@@kevelliott sounds like how my council treats every road haha
I’m happy to use a cycle lane if appropriate. Sadly far too many don’t go where you need to go (one my way puts you on a three mile diversion when you only need to travel half a mile), force you inexplicably into main flow of traffic are often in worse condition than the ready of the road.
I’ll use if safe and convenient for me.
Just like how I choose which roads I drive on.
People are just pratts when behind the wheel. Zero consideration and rudeness always come to the fore
White car was a jerry can
Stick to cars ash and leave cycling to the real cyclists
Yeah on that last one I definitely would have moved to primary sooner - before the series of bins etc. Would have felt safer imo and would have made that close pass much less likely
Ash, again you are completely missing the point, every one makes mistakes. However, when a driver makes a mistake with another car its a metal bending exercise and thats about it.
Do this to a cyclist and its a matter of a bone broken, or worse.
Now what does the HWC say about vulnerable road users?
Some time its a reaction, to a threat when a car driver cuts you up, its involuntary, car drivers do it, cyclist are no different to those drivers that get cut up.
You wouldn't drive at a pedestrian that was crossing the road and blame them would you.... Would you?
Perhaps you and other here would.
Interestingly, you mention the word blame. I've got a video going out tomorrow morning about people with a similar mindset to yourself. Please tune in.
Edit - Addition.
The video will also explain why it's you that is missing the point.
ruclips.net/video/meRkOwaz2h0/видео.html
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling "Mind set to myself"?
I am on about you blaming the cyclists for not doing enough to stay out of trouble.
Again, way over your head that they are vulnerable road users, and you STILL, think its them that need to change.
Pointless talking to you
So you always blame the less vulnerable and don't take responsibility for your own actions. This is exactly opposite the advice in the highway code. The simple concept is way over your head.
@@AshleyNeal-JustCycling That's not what he said. Your credibility has PLUMMETTED!
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I personally think the cyclist is pushing his luck, he should be riding more defensively & using his experience more wisely, but he's not. And his use of ear buds shows his attitude to be "I'll do what I want" where he should be treating other road users how he would want to be treated
Bike riders: Nothing wrong with slowing down to stay safe.. Cars do it, trucks and buses do it, motorcycles do it, even pedestrians do it.. stop acting like a spoiled child.. just do it.
headphones while riding.... i cycle a lot, and sticking in ear headphones and cutting off one of your senses is the smartest move tbh,
but on the last clip i disagree with you saying the cyclist needed to stay in primary position, they're on a road bike, no forgiveness in them at all, cyclist would have no rims left if they went over those pot holes, driver should not have attempted an overtake full stop, where was it ever going to get them with stopped traffic up ahead where the cyclist will filter in front again? stupid behaviour that will earn them 3-5 points & a fine.
I call this video "The Friday Five". But not "The 5 Series" as in BMW 5 Series!
TBH the last clip driver was a complete idiot, no level of positioning would have meant anything to him/her. I always respect cyclists and they mostly return the favour. There are always idiots on both sides, and I have been overtaken on blind country bends while holding back for single and group cyclists. People can be so impatient, not regarding vulnerable road users.
Another set of clips showing the shockingly poor standard of UK driving. Another set of clips showing how us vulnrable road users are having to constanly adjust our road usage to avoid these idiots. It's about time drivers were made to behave better. Unfortunately, at this moment in time, the only way to keep cyclists safe is to provide connected, fully segregated infrastructure. Paint is not infrastructure.
In relation to Ashley's comments about primary position, i do this on my ride to work as i pass through a section of road with junctions and traffic islands. What does this do to some drivers? Winds them up. I was on the receiving end of road rage last week from a driver who was enraged with me riding in primary. He leaned on his horn, close passed me and shouted 'you are not a car, get off the f**king road'. Shame he didnt realise he was a car either.
If these road users are so vulnerable, why do they ride like knobbers, refusing to slow, stop or give way or exercise a bit of give & take on the roads?
Why do bike riders, rather than ganging together to defend all poor cycling, actively call out poor cycling and lobby for mandatory rider training, to ensure the vulnerable road users are equipped with the skill required to safely cycle on the road?
Riding with earphones ffs? How stupid is that.
@@wibbley1 Quite clearly not as stupid as your comment. Who do you think causes the damage on the roads?
@@benws8246 Damage on the roads is caused by many things. The road surface wearing out, ground heave and cracks. Water then seeps in and freezes, expanding and causing the surface to break up. I drove up a road very near to Sainsburys a good few years ago after a big freeze up. The whole road surface was destroyed by frost.
@@wibbley1 You missed my point completely.
Funnily enough I'm from this area, i drive around the exact same places quite frequently, and have seen this rider numerous times, he rarely stops at traffic lights, and i'm honestly yet to see him ride well. But he only endangers himself though, as the drivers in this area as you can see in the last clip don't take too kindly to people like him.
Keep safe cyclists and watch out for those idiot drivers
Last clip was terrible. Every clip near Sainsbury's mind. Obviously the road markings are rubbish for both cyclist and drivers. I think both car driver AND the cyclist should be understanding of this and taking care. Cycling as if you are in the right is ok, but totally missing the slightly complex nature of crossing the cycle path from the petrol station, whilst dealing with blindspots.
The cyclist should taken the middle of the lane for his own safety
Depends on road condition. That notwithstanding, that doesn't remove blame from the driver.